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1:00 PM
It allows you to render LaTeX in the chat room
Quite convenient ... rightfold has shared the link if I remember correctly
 
Ell
@Jefffrey what makes you think limits are inexact?
and do you think they are always approximations?
 
He's over that now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am?
 
You posted a link to some answers about it.
 
I'm over the idea that irrational numbers are not "true numbers".
@R.MartinhoFernandes I said I was going to read it. That's all.
 
Ell
1:03 PM
"Pi is finite" - I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean
 
Pi is not infinity.
 
@Ell It means exactly that?
 
Ell
@Puppy I guess vOv
seems kind of redundant though
if pi was infinity it'd be called infinity
 
well, yes, you can take a clue that Pi is finite by virtue of it not being called infinity.
it could be some form of infinity, though, since there are many infinities.
 
@Ell How would you distinguish it from other infinities?
1 hour ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am starring this because it's hilarious
Someone found it hilarious. For some reason.
 
Ell
1:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the same way any number is distinguished from infinities I guess
 
Which is?
@ScottW Er. Might?
 
The number π is a mathematical constant, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, commonly approximated as 3.14159. It has been represented by the Greek letter "π" since the mid-18th century, though it is also sometimes spelled out as "pi" (/paɪ/). Being an irrational number, π cannot be expressed exactly as a common fraction, although fractions such as 22/7 and other rational numbers are commonly used to approximate π. Consequently its decimal representation never ends and never settles into a permanent repeating pattern. The digits appear to be randomly distributed; however, to...
 
@chmod711telkitty Thanks a lot.
 
user1804599
Pi's number of digits is finite in base pi.
 
ok, so, let's say that we have some waivy curve that goes from (0, 3) to (3, 0)
 
1:06 PM
@ScottW Because it can't be expressed as a fraction.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes like using "1"
 
user1804599
In the shortest representation that uses digits.
 
Ell
instead of whatever you use to show infinity
 
do we use an integral to calculate the area?
 
@Ell There are several ways of doing that.
@Jefffrey Yes. Well, if you mean the area delimited by it and the axes.
 
Ell
1:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes but I mean you can be sure that 1 or pi are not infinity because you haven't used the infinity symbol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, I mean that
I'm not trying to be pedantic
 
@Ell There are other ways of expressing infinity.
 
user1804599
@Ell ℵ_1
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes but they probably aren't "1" or "π" right?
 
@Ell Like "infinity", for starters.
@Ell Does your argument start with the assumption that "π" is not a representation of infinity?
 
1:09 PM
ok, so we would start building the rectangle with width 0, 0 - 3, 0 and height 0, 0 - 0, 3, right?
then we would divide it's width by 2 and get two rectangles
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm. I guess it does vOv. And that "1" is not a representation of infinity
 
and so on and on
to infinity
 
Ell
but I don't think that's an assumption is it? It must be defined somewhere :P
 
would the resulting limit be precise?
 
Lounge<Infinity++>
 
1:10 PM
@Jefffrey Yes.
 
lounge<finity++>
 
Of course we have limitations and can't do the whole shebang by hand because there's not enough time.
But that only means we can only measure an approximation. We can calculate the exact value through other means.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, let's put it this way: initially the area of the initial rectangle is imprecise, right?
that's why we have to split it in two
 
@Jefffrey Wait, what do you mean by "imprecise"?
Seems to me it's precisely 9 or something.
 
Ell
precision is the wrong word
 
1:12 PM
it's not the area that we want to find
 
Ell
accuracy is the word you're looking for
 
Ah, "wrong" :P
 
the area of the initial rectangle is not the area of the curve
 
Ell
(closeness to the "true value" is accuracy)
 
1:13 PM
right
so
we divide it by 2. is the sum of the two resulting rectangle's area the area that we want to find?
 
hmm
 
and we continue like that recursively
 
I'm trying to consider a funny analogy for unreliability.
 
what makes you think that at any point we get the "exact" area
 
1:14 PM
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Of course we have limitations and can't do the whole shebang by hand because there's not enough time.
 
but "the reliability of C memory management" is not appropriate.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I guess you don't believe any series expansions are true either?
 
@Jefffrey That point is when we have an infinite number of rectangles. Each rectangle is the line segment between every point of the curve and the xx axis.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Programming help, not euthanasia help.
 
(Yes, they're all degenerate rectangles by then)
 
1:19 PM
So we're not a Zoo anymore
 
user1804599
> Migrates the expression into another mirror, jumping into a different universe if necessary.
 
@chmod711telkitty I'll pray for your liver
 
@Jefffrey We don't, or rather, not at any specific iteration N throughout the process, where N is a finite natural number. But each iteration of the process leads us closer and closer to a certain number X, in a way that whatever "epsilon" we choose, there is always some finite M such that iteration M which will give a result closer to X than "epsilon". That number X is then defined to be the area.
 
shit I have to go, but I'll be back... for more tormenting
 
1:27 PM
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Q: Is it at all commonplace to make service available via the same host as its redundancy, just different ports?

Lightness Races in OrbitI am writing software that allows for the configuration of parameters for authentication with a Primary and Secondary RADIUS server. Oh server administrators, in your experience, is it common or not for a network to be laid out such that — either physically or accomplished by clever routing, as ...

probably gonna get downvoted to oblivion but I must know
 
@Rerito We are a zoo in disguise
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We are not finite. [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
@TonyTheLion And you chose wisely ...
 
Error 1 error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'mshtml::IHTMLWindow2 ^' to 'ATL::CComQIPtr<T,piid>'
I fail
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sounds like a job for IPv6 anycast
 
1:31 PM
According to my friend, I'm playing "the unbearable lightness of toast" tonight. Aka Battlestar Galactica.
 
@TonyTheLion More like an MS fail using that ^ crap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of toast ?
 
@TonyTheLion yes... yes you do. Why are you using managed C++?
 
(Non native speaker, I did not understand)
 
1:33 PM
@Mgetz I'm trying to make a function I can call from C#, but its guts are C++ - because COM, so C++/CLI seemed like the answer
 
@TonyTheLion either use P/Invoke or do straight COM interop
you can import the type library directly
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Doesn't C# have COM facilities?
 
I don't know
 
user1804599
Or at least BCL.
 
@TonyTheLion It does.
 
1:34 PM
I fail even harder then :(
 
If you have COM stuff, it's probably easier to just use it directly from C#.
 
@rightføld it does, Runtime Callable Wrappers (RCWs)
 
I did that at my first job.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah, I never really noticed before that Helo attracts the Centurion toasters with a toaster.
 
1:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ditto
Anycast is a network addressing and routing methodology in which datagrams from a single sender are routed to the topologically nearest node in a group of potential receivers, though it may be sent to several nodes, all identified by the same destination address. == Addressing methodologies == The Internet Protocol and other network addressing systems recognize four main addressing methodologies: Unicast addressing uses a one-to-one association between destination address and network endpoint: each destination address uniquely identifies a single receiver endpoint. Multicast addressing uses a one...
 
@rightføld It does have fairly extensive COM facilities.
 
@Puppy Wait, where?
HELP I'M STUCK ON UNCYCLOPEDIA
This is the worst of all time sink sites.
 
the link you linked
I recall that scene well and it never occurred to me before that it actually contains a toaster joke.
 
@Puppy Oh. When you said it it sounded like he did it on purpose and used a toaster as bait.
I was really confused.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tvtropes.org
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a new place for you to get stuck :P
 
1:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be even more funny
 
Guys stl container vector<> holds one more position after push_back()?
or on demand of i+1 position it makes one on the fly?
 
rtfm, hth
 
@niCk RTFM
 
that guy has a particular habit of wandering in, asking exceedingly basic questions, and then walking out
 
1:49 PM
@Abyx thanks a lot pal
 
your welcome bro
 
> “Here are the contents.”
~ Captain Obvious on Captain Oblivious's Uncyclopedia page

“Where?”
~ Captain Oblivious on the contents
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You got me in this internet black hole
Today's unproductiveness is on you !
 
lol today's what if
 
holy shit Microsoft royally fucked up the Skype UI
really wish I hadn't upgraded; this is horrid
 
2:04 PM
huh, I don't remember Wide having 256 tests
 
What?
> Unrecoverable playback error: Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. (0x8007000E)
WTF
 
gotta love crappy HRESULT errors.
 
I have 112GB free on one disk and 2.65TB on another.
Why the fuck can't I play music?
 
that's a highly epic fail.
 
brb restarting.
Hmm, audio drivers were updated, it seems.
Now it works.
 
2:40 PM
OK, it's going to be a bad Java Chrsistmas. A 247k user suggests:

Thread thread = this.fileThread;
do {
// wait a second
thread.join(1000);
// no point writing to a buffered stream
// as you can't see it until the end any.
System.out.print(".");
} while(thread.isAlive());

as a solution for detecting thread finish in a GUI app. Of course, it siezed up the GUI:(
 
That way no one has to use their terrible GUI
it's a win win
 
lol, didn't think of it that way:)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was already booked that night.
Hi.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
What do square brackets mean?
 
user1804599
2:54 PM
Just the same as parentheses?
 
yes
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So do I. :) (And no kids, so if you fancy having a drink even on xmas eve, I'm game.)
 
Some people prefer to switch between () and [] in an effort to improve readability of horrible equations.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. In fact, we were both talking to the Xoreax stuff at the same time at MeetingC++. And to each other, afterwards. So @AndyProwl already knew this...
 
2:57 PM
what a lovely holiday so far
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it OK, again?
 
even the family is great to get along with, which is new
 
sbi
@Xeo sudo?
 
my hometown is still as small as usual, which means going out is extremely annoying because you know everyone you see
 
sbi
@rightføld You would, huh?
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not here once a week. Once a month, maybe. But then, it's nice to know that @Tony misses me. :)
 
3:05 PM
lol, the fields on Paypal's site say "Email:" and "PayPal password:" respectively
 
@AlexM. lol, go to a bigger place. Are there no buses/trains/taxis in Romania?
 
I wonder how many people tried to enter their email's password
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Well, you do get older, that makes the rest look like angsty teenagers.
 
@sbi hey guy
 
sbi
Look, ma, The Pirate!
 
3:06 PM
@MartinJames it's a bit hard to go to a bigger place because the closest is 1 hour away (bus) and buses have very specific schedules
I also had some business in town so it could not be avoided :)
 
@sbi look lads, a money!
:D
 
+k
Also I believe he prefers Ape.
 
TIL people get their arms numb when masturbating so that it feels like someone else's doing it
wat
how do people even discover this
 
think it is called 'the stranger'
 
Aparrently, a text says I won something on the club Christmas raffle last night:)
 
3:12 PM
drink
 
they always make this rather grim (imo) recreation of jesus' birth in my hometown
the humans are fake obviously, but they use live animals
 
@sbi I slept on it some weeks ago, and it hurt like hell for a long time. It still hurts if I handle something heavy, for example.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes And, of course, you haven't had a doctor look at it. Right?
 
here's what I think is a sheep, that would have probably wanted to be anywhere else
there was also a tiny lamb among them
 
@sbi I didn't notice it still hurt until last week. I don't normally handle heavy stuff.
 
3:18 PM
actually I think that's a ram
not a sheep
I don't even know what that is
 
Floods is such an awesome song
 
@sbi Cool. @Xeo is in town as well. I suspect he'll spend Christmas eve with the family, though.
 
@AlexM. It's the home supporters stand at Derby County.
 
@thecoshman linky?
 
Yeah - could do with some music that is not a commercial Christmas song:(
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fine. I am all by myself until Saturday. Do you have any plans?
 
Tomorrow might do.
@Xeo wanna join @sbi for drinks tomorrow sometime after the game?
 
sbi
What game is that?
 
A game we're playing.
 
sbi
What game is that?
 
3:30 PM
It's an RPG called Paranoia.
 
sbi
Ah, an RPG.
Well, as I said, I'm game, too. :)
 
You mean you want to join?
 
sbi
The game? I don't think so. RPGs take time, which I usually do not have. And patience, which I seem to have mislaid.
 
Thought so.
Oh, you meant you're game for tomorrow night.
I got confused.
 
sbi
How rare.
I have been drinking with friends on Friday, Sunday, today, and now we're planning to do the same tomorrow. It's gonna be hard to find enough sober time to wrap the presents this year...
 
3:35 PM
@MartinJames Why didn't you downvote him?
 
holy shit
this guy's skill is through the roof
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would join but I'm not in Berlin :P
 
I don't know how glass like that works but it looks to me like any minor mistake would ruin everything
 
@AlexM. repost
 
when was it posted?
 
sbi
3:39 PM
@TonyTheLion Well, you could change that. :)
 
I'm back
@AlexM. REPOST
 
It's easier than getting Berlin there.
2
 
sbi
Oh, look, @Shog is here. Why's that? Have you kids been naughty again?
 
oh, someone else reposted my "repost" message
 
@sbi He's always around, I think.
 
3:40 PM
@sbi Not at the current time, although there were naughties a day or two ago.
 
@sbi Unfortunately it won't work out this time
 
@Jefffrey "preposted" :P
 
maybe next year I'll come say hi again
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Here, in this room? Why would he do that?
@Puppy Ah, I thought so.
 
@sbi To spy on us
 
3:40 PM
either perpetual naughties or because it's a hilarious great and fun room
 
@sbi He came in yesterday to ban two people having a ferocious argument
 
@TonyTheLion but the price of fish is astonishing!
 
sbi
See, I knew it. You were naughty. Some things seem to never change in here.
 
@TonyTheLion cough
who were those two people?
 
hmm
 
3:42 PM
@TonyTheLion Oh, I missed that.
 
new guy and lrio
new guy (some dude) was begging for help
 
@sbi you knew nothing! it was pure presumption... not unfounded I grant you
 
and lrio was exceedingly unhelpful
and new guy was not very pleased about this
 
sbi
How surprising!
 
and they got into a big pissup
 
3:43 PM
wasn't lrio supposed to be the nice guy helping everyone?
or at least being welcoming
 
sbi
@thecoshman What is "knowledge" but when you're right about your presumptions?
 
@AlexM. that's what he claims... so much for that.
 
a friend of mine tried with this: if 0.99999999... != 1 then there must be an x for which 0.(9) < x < 1, which doesn't exists @R.MartinhoFernandes
he brought up the totality of real numbers
some idea of what that means
 
@sbi indeed, what is knowledge.
 
If you're not willing to accept that 0.(0)1 doesn't exist (or that it isn't 0), you cannot accept that 0.(9)1 doesn't exist either.
 
3:46 PM
bah
can't install Steam on guest account
so can't play KSP on my borrowed laptop
 
No Kerbals for you.
 
gotta admit, the game is a lot more challenging on the hardest pre-set difficulty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too many negatives.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Great. Thanks :(
 
@MartinJames What?
 
3:48 PM
that is a terrible song.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not a commercial Christmas song? OK, sorry, I'll actually listen to it now.
 
The lyrics are rather anti-commercial.
 
1 - 1/2 - 1/4 - 1/8 - 1/16 - ... is the number I'm looking for
 
Ell
First time dev'ing on windows
here gose.
I should update visual studio I reckon
Should I uninstall it before getting the new version?
 
what version do you have now?
 
3:59 PM
:( stuck in back and forth of two people arguing over the merits of the gold standard
 
then join in
 

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