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9:00 PM
if it still won't show signs of growing I'll try to fix it or I'll just throw it away and make another kind of dough that doesn't require that much proofing
 
Hello everyone is anyone in the mood for a C++ question?
 
i.e. to make sure the pizza is ready tomorrow
 
user1804599
@wing No.
 
@rightføld well played sir, btw nice hat :P
 
user1804599
I'm not a sir. :v
 
9:01 PM
@wing You kidding? Nobody is even in the mood for a Haskell question.
 
@rightføld This is what always turned me off about it, and is the reason I've never messed with it long enough to learn all the other stuff people hate about it.
 
@wing I don't think rightfold was playing any games here
 
Just printing text to the console required so many more words/lines of code than doing the same in C++
 
user1804599
But thanks about the hat!
 
user1804599
@caps Scala ftw!
 
9:02 PM
@rightføld you right now youtube.com/watch?v=zWmtX4t3tYA
 
user1804599
@AlexM. xD
 
@AlexM. almost destroyed my speakers
 
@wing It depends. Is it an actual question?
If it is, then I'm afraid not.
 
@Nooble wanted to ask if assignment operator can fail under a certain condition I use in my program.
 
@wing Put it in coliru.
 
9:08 PM
yes coliru is great and has all the things
 
Fast reaction is fast.
 
Ill try it there thanks , but Visual Studio 2013 has a good compiler right guys?
 
ahahahahahahaha
 
Visual Studio once stole my wife. I wouldn't call it "good"
 
No, MSVC is not a good compiler.
It's a terrible compiler.
Also Visual Studio is not a compiler.
 
9:10 PM
it's good enough
 
^
 
@ereOn was she a dependency?
 
Is there an assembly language chat?
 
@AlexM. statically linked, too.
 
Also, what does it mean when a register is in brackets?
 
9:11 PM
Also calling MSVC a compiler is insulting to real compilers.
 
it performs a translation from some language into another language
so it meets the definition of "compiler" quite well.
 
Classic Puppy, taking everything literally.
 
@Griwes like bloodshed Dev-C++ ? (don't flag me for this , I am joking)
 
Oh hey, there's literally no way to tell if that previous sentence of mine was to be taken literally or figuratively!
 
we don't flag jokes
no matter how unfunny they are
 
9:13 PM
@wing If an assignment really fails, you have a big problem.
 
@Griwes Visual Studio usually reveals some vicious errors in my code that other compilers do not bring up. And he is right so I wouldn't call it "terrible"
 
What happened to the guy who threw water over his head?
He got wet.
 
@wing PSA
@ereOn lol
 
user1804599
I have a new avatar and a new hat.
 
@rightføld I'll miss you, lobster.
 
9:14 PM
@ereOn First, again: Visual Studio is not a compiler.
Second: what.
 
user1804599
Fuck lobsters.
 
user1804599
Imaginary Japanese girls ftw.
 
"Reveals errors"? More like fails to compile legal code.
 
rightfold has gone Mysticial
 
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Q: What does it mean when a register is in brackets in Assembly?

MosheI'm learning 32-bit 8086 assembly (for class) and I'm going over one of the sample programs. What does it mean when a register is enclosed in brackets? mov ebx, [ebx + 4] Also, is the 4 a literal? (Are we moving "the value of ebx plus four" into ebx?)

 
9:15 PM
@Griwes Can you please expand on the the topic that matters and let the pedantic definition of comp[iler aside for the sake of this discussion ?
 
@Griwes So, in your opinion, is there a better IDE for windows?
 
It's like we said "My compiler is Internet Explorer". I assume everybody understood the meaning.
 
Seriously, they closed a report on NSDMI not working in local classes as "won't fix until long time from now".
 
@Moshe Not exactly got far with the learning:(
 
@ereOn MSVC is a compiler. Visual Studio is an IDE.
Please learn the distinction.
 
@Griwes So you mean my computer is not an Internet ?
 
@Nooble I don't care about "IDEs" on "Windows".
 
Actually MSVC is an IDE too
 
bug in 3rd party software just lost me 4 hours of my own time for work
 
@CatPlusPlus Fine, you outpedanted me. Does "outpedant someone" even make sense?
 
9:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Let's make goat sounds!
 
where's @Alex
 
@MartinJames giggle You said "lube"
 
@Nooble No thanks. I have that already, (from Merlin the goat, across road in field).
 
@MartinJames I'm cramming for a final in an architecture class. We're halfway between the hardware in the CPU and the Assembly for 8086.
 
Newbie here. I am trying to read the rules page. I am not able to access to links
 
9:19 PM
So I assume we all agree Visual Studio is the best compiler, because it also allows to open and edit PHP files as well as compile C++ code.
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loungecpp.net/w/Newbie_hints. Is anyone else able to view the contents of this page
?
 
@ereOn Wow. Gotta download it now.
 
@user445 Try putting it in HTTPS
 
I am.
 
It works fine for me.
 
9:21 PM
I wouldn't say "fine" : it loads but then the links are broken somehow.
 
Apart from the dead links, it renders fine.
 
@MartinJames Well, there's no CSS, and those aren't the Newbie Hints. Other than that...
http://loungecpp.net/w/assets/css/all-076e70fe.css itself redirects to the front page
good job @Cat
 
yeah.
the links are broken I think
 
the links are not broken
the site is broken, in the way that I just described
everything redirects to the front page, even assets
 
9:23 PM
... effectively breaking the links.
 
yeah.
 
As far as any user is concerned.
 
ok but at best that doesn't describe the whole problem
and doesn't describe it in any manner that would help to resolve it :)
 
:)
 
Hi my fellow nerds :)
 
9:28 PM
Hi there Nils! :)
 
What should I rather have a look at it: Qt Quick or Cocos2d?
 
balls I want to be working on Wide at this exact moment but I'm stuck at home
no
 
Asteroids with wings?
 
@Puppy balls you want to be working on Wide?
 
@Puppy You didn't take a backup home, or cloud it? Bad puppy!
 
9:32 PM
Yes, Nils?
 
PIZZA IS ON ITS WAY YEAHHHHH
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What kind of pizza?
 
I should procure dinner too.
 
@Fanael 'Charlie Adam has added something they did not have until he came on'. Cue red cards and subs:)
 
9" Cheese, tomato, onion, mushroom, sweetcorn & peppers
and three cans of fanta
 
user1804599
9:33 PM
I'm not sure on how to convert SSA to stack-based language.
 
almost went for an Indian but they don't give you much meat. so I got a veggie pizza instead. which makes loads of sense.
 
You swine.
 
Wheres the meat!?
 
user1804599
Though when I begin working on it I'll probably grasp it immediately.
 
@MartinJames It is clouded, I just don't have a machine that can handle it.
 
9:34 PM
I always eat vegetarian pizza.
 
@Puppy :(
 
@rightføld Convert SSA to stack-based language?
that's typically trivial since SSA offers fewer operations than stack-based.
 
user1804599
@Puppy Yeah.
 
user1804599
I wanna use SSA in my compiler and stack-based language in my VM.
 
I WANT PIZZA
 
user1804599
9:35 PM
For a start I can just put all SSA results in local variables.
 
I have to ask what the point is of compiling to a more restrictive, lower-level form, simply to raise it back up again
 
user1804599
I think SSA is easier to optimise.
 
I wish standard smart pointers were first-class citizens
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Why?
 
@AsteroidsWithWings What a funny name, how come?
 
9:37 PM
@rightføld Because they don't behave like raw pointers (or references, FWIW) e.g. for covariant return types
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Non-existing things redirect
 
or for derived-to-base conversions when doing overload resolution
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Why not instead allow covariance for UDTs?
 
Well, not redirect, they just render index
 
UKIK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883625/Ukip-slams-pathetic-phone-app-featuring-Nicholas-Fromage-kicking-immigrants-white-cliffs-Dover-win-racism-points.html
 
9:38 PM
@rightføld There has to be a subtype relationship
 
@CatPlusPlus Then nothing exists?
 
What needs to exist exists
loungecpp.net/the-law/newbie-hints.html is the correct link to hints
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@MartinJames People are real dicks to UKIP.
@CatPlusPlus Then please unpin and de-star rightfold's broken rules link
 
It's mutual :p
 
e.g. vector<B> should not be covariant with vector<A> if B derives from A
 
9:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus Deja-vu philosophy:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's actually not yknow
 
but the language has no way of distinguishing between vector and unique_ptr
 
"Your connection is not private

Attackers might be trying to steal your information from loungecpp.net (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards)."
 
they're just two templates
 
hmm
the amazon locker thing seems really nice, except everything I currently wish to order can't be put there.
 
9:41 PM
it's because you hate Shakespeare
 
@Nils "Nils" is a funny name too
 
@caps https is slowly killing us all.
 
@AndyProwl unique_ptr<B> should not be covariant with unique_ptr<A> either for exactly the same reason.
what you want is a value conversion, not subtyping.
 
nah it is common
 
> All I want for Christmasssss.... is value conversion
 
9:42 PM
@Nils So is Asteroids With Wings, in my culture
 
@Puppy I don't understand. Why is it wrong to expect a unique_ptr to behave like a raw pointer in that respect?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Doesn't exactly scan well.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And I want GLFW 3.1
 
@AndyProwl Raw pointers don't behave that way with covariance.
Derived* is not covariant with Base*.
Derived is covariant with Base.
which is a totally different thing.
the actual return types of the virtual functions are not covariant at all.
which is why this language restriction makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
What
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That's nonsense.
 
9:45 PM
there's no reason not to permit any implicit conversion on the result of the virtual function, IMO.
 
There's no reason to say they're not covariant.
 
a pointer to Derived* is not a pointer to Base*.
 
@AndyProwl That is not the same as the pointers being covariant.
the actual pointers themselves are not covariant at all.
 
That's not what covariant means.
Yes, they are.
 
9:47 PM
@Puppy I don't see why that code should stop working if I replace raw pointers with unique_ptr
 
Aren't we all covariant in the end ?
 
Beginners: Please read The Rules.
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@AndyProwl Well, I clearly agree with you.
4 mins ago, by Puppy
there's no reason not to permit any implicit conversion on the result of the virtual function, IMO.
 
They say citing yourself is the first sign of madness
 
@Puppy Implicit pointer conversions are allowed, right?
 
9:50 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then what is the second? And third?
 
only those
I think that Wide currently allows any implicit conversion.
yeah I'm pretty sure that I do allow that.
 
user1804599
@Puppy not even references?
 
reference conversions are pointer conversions.
I think they might be literally defined that way
 
3 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
They say citing yourself is the first sign of madness
 
Citeception.
 
9:57 PM
I'm never going to quote myself
 
@AndyProwl First stage of grief.
 
I don't want to become madness
 
@AndyProwl Never gonna quote myseeeeeelf, never gonna let me loouuuuuud
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: so we need to watch out if there are more signs (although we may already have come to a conclusive assessment based on other observations).
 
user1804599
I think I'll just make if into cond.
 
user1804599
9:59 PM
Or maybe support both.
 
user1804599
I think cond is underrated.
 

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