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12:01 AM
OK, I'm back in my office. Pllease ignore/forgive all I posted tonite. BFN.
 
ordering oldest-to-newest would be descending order, correct?
 
I have tried to use arm - chest - arm buffers but even the fast blue arms are too slow. I had to put three of these in parallel to compensate.
 
@mdw7326 No
 
@CatPlusPlus Thanks, I can never keep them straight.
 
Alcohol again
rip me
2
 
Ell
12:15 AM
Cat I will donate to you £30 as a token of my gratitude
Its not much but I don't earn as of tomorrow
 
12:28 AM
Well, fuck me. Just been slagged off 'cos the lowest tier of the Christmas tree had three red baubles on one side, but only one on the other. Anne: "I DON'T HAVE OCD". Orite..
 
1:28 AM
Oo typo, I was going to show this:
   		Toast toast = Toast.makeText(mContext, "No bestProvider found, using other providers", Toast.LENGTH_LONG);
instead I showed this:
   		Toast toast = Toast.makeText(mContext, "No bestProvider found, suing other providers", Toast.LENGTH_LONG);
 
 
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2:41 AM
The last message was posted a lifetime ago.
@MartinJames I guess "well, fuck me" was therefore a desperate cry for the unlikely?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: No. You need deduced arguments. The OP's code calls for std::move. — Kerrek SB 9 hours ago
I don't get it :( Also this sort of confusing and unclear shite is what I don't like about modern C++. I may ask a question about it tomorrow but I'm equally likely to shrug my shoulders and concede ultimate defeat. @Kerrek
 
2:54 AM
Hey everyone!
I'm happy about absolutely nothing! Weeee!
 
I guess there's nothing to be happy about.
 
There's everything to be happy about!
Like finals, finals are fun!
I fail to see what is so amusing about the KitKat picture on the starboard.
 
go to the original message & see the context for yourself
 
3:10 AM
I still don't get it. :)
 
user1646075
 
3:33 AM
get it now?
 
noooo TARS is not driven by invisible wires nooooo
TARS is real!!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the hell you talking about, thats the line of his fishing rod
yes, TARS likes to go fishing
 
4:13 AM
Another day in New York: Guy shoots and kills two NYPD officers, instagrams everything.
 
@Borgleader ahhhhhh phew. thanks!
 
Man, my sleeping schedule is completely off after yesterdays partying and today's hangover sleeping.
 
This is really quite interesting.
@VáclavZeman I came home at a reasonable hour tonight (2am ish) but the last few episodes of Perception's first season have hooked me in :)
 
4:34 AM
Is there any particular reason that reading a music file's properties is slower than simply putting that text in a text file and reading that?
 
@GuruAdrian That's CASE.
 
@DemCodeLines ID3 metadata doesn't just sit at some fixed offset into an MP3 file and ID3v2 tags don't even have a fixed size. The file has to be parsed to some degree in order to extract it. This takes time, much more time than simply spitting out the full contents of a 300-byte text file.
 
@DemCodeLines "Is there any particular reason that reading something that is more complex than a text file is slower than simply putting that text in a text file and reading that?"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes An ID3v1 tag sited at a fixed location in any given file would be trivial to extract. I guess he's not aware that this isn't how it's embedded.
ok just one more episode...
 
I am trying to build a simple music player where I cache the files once they have been read by the app. But obviously reading stuff has been very slow, because I currently take the URL of each file that I scanned first and put it into a text file. So when I read "cached" music, I just get properties of the music item that URL and display that. But if it's gonna be this slow, then I might as well put all the relevant info in that file along with the URL too so I don't have to load the properties.
 
4:39 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It would still be slower even if barely noticeable.
@DemCodeLines Reading all those music files from disk is going to blow through the caches. If you have everything in a single file, it's a lot more likely that you will find all the data in some cache.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a Windows Phone app
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes close enough - giant kit-kats stalking the land.
 
user1646075
haven't seen it yet, just the blurb. I'll wait for the torrents, being australian and all that. Or just TV
 
@GuruAdrian Their weakness: Warmth.
Hugs of death, anyone?
 
user1646075
hehhehh - and they hate being left in the car near the rear window
 
4:48 AM
The heat in a car after being left in the sun plus the usual fragrance thingy's smell makes me nauseous.
Apparently, NVIDIA's Android tablet can run full OpenGL, not just ES.
 
K, @Xeo, Paranoia on Tuesday at Ben's place. You up for it?
 
user1646075
@Nooble the tablet quest has reached it's grail. The Nexus 9 was a late but very serious contender; finally ousted only because only one retail store was selling it, and a big place I can get ipads from has a 6-month interest free arrangement on computer gear.
 
user1646075
Add in an ipad mini for missy, and a solid-looking 7" for $68 instead of $200 for 3rd and final child, and kiss goodbye to $950. At least I can avoid thinking about paying it until I've escaped the xmas financial black hole of death.
 
user1646075
that little one is a new November release from Acer - Iconia One 7" which, according to the reviews, is soooo last year with it's 10mm thickness and large screen bevel - oh the fashion faux pas! But as far as specs go, it's great for such a price, let alone average+ amongst it's $200 competitors
 
It's 6AM
We're going to gas station for more fucking alcohol or juice to go with fucking vodka
rip rip rip
2
The Prestige is a good movie btw
 
How do you know? You're wasted.
 
5:29 AM
I'm not wasted yet
 
It's 5.30AM, and I'm going to bed
 
But I just woke up!
 
We're debating whether we became one with alcohol yet
 
5:46 AM
anyone have any luck with finding an answer key for C++ Primer amazon.com/Primer-5th-Edition-Stanley-Lippman/dp/0321714113
 
We're close
 
user1646075
"answer key"?
 
I'm thinking about learning Lisp
@GuruAdrian question lock
 
user1646075
@orlp what makth you think thatth thomthing worth thtudying?
 
either a published book with answers to questions or a blog that has solutions
 
user1646075
5:53 AM
like a key to hack it from amazon?
 
hack it from amazon lol?
already torrented a copy
 
user1646075
ohhhhh ok. sounded like trying to crack it?
 
user1646075
exactly!
 
nah its an ebook lol
 
user1646075
well, yeah, that would work too
 
5:53 AM
i want answers to the exercises!
 
@GuruAdrian because it seems elegant and fundamental, is referenced in many places throughout the computer science world and to make me a better programmer
@nsij22 then answer them
 
@orlp i am lol, and have yet to run into any issues it would just be nice to compare some of them
 
as for those answers
 
user1646075
@orlp yeah it's fundamental. assembly language for lists :-)
 
and see how professions go about solving the same issue
 
5:54 AM
literally 5 seconds of googling gave me ignatkov.net/category/cppprimerplus
3
 
wrong book....
that is c++ primer plus
im looking for c++ primer
stackoverflow.com/questions/388242/… apparently they get confused a lot but the book covered in that link "sucks"
 
@orlp Yeah, quick Googling and you end up picking the sucky one.
 
well fuck me for not knowing the difference between two books I don't know where one is quite clearly a knock-off of the other
 
@orlp its a fluke i downloaded the right one lol but it actually is nice to work through so far and really not that hard
 
@orlp Well, guess your estimate of 5 seconds of googling was wildly off the mark :P
 
6:03 AM
it actually has examples unlike some language references >_>
language "primer" references*
 
oh derp
 
are you trolling?
 
No, I just misread what you said
 
aww i was going to star that
 
I thought you said "it actually has language references unlike some primers"
I got confused
 
6:05 AM
lol no worries but yeah if anyone finds answers before i finish chapter 5 and post all my code, that would be sweet
 
err
old link in clipboard
there we go
I did look through some of the code, can't really vouch for it.
 
ty
cool, missing a few but its something
 
7:09 AM
morning
 
7:33 AM
ugh
what's that
 
no idea, but it seems crispy
 
those are hash browns
and that is probably nacho cheese
 
and so the devector adventure continues...
850 lines of the most annoying code to make sure it's right
 
user1646075
cheese should not be that yellow
 
user1646075
7:48 AM
ummm, guiz, amirite that McAfee security on an android tablet is a load of BS that will probably cause more grief than it prevents?
 
8:36 AM
@GuruAdrian 'on an android tablet' - waste of typing.
I suffered from McAfee for two years, (co. policy). Also, it attempts to sneak in with every Shockwave Flush upgrade. Resource-eating crap.
 
user1646075
groovy. it's a default app that's currently notifying to setup on a new little android. I'm sorely tempted to disable or de-install it, from experience like yours
 
user1646075
meanwhile I'm trying to get it to recognise a microSD which has VFAT on it. Can't see it, but it seems to put a directory of it's own on there and splat the little black wallpaper file i'm trying to put on. I'm wondering if it's suffering from some retarded security behaviour
 
@GuruAdrian I'm sure that the other Loungers willl back me up re. McAfee on PC. Maybe it's better on tabs, but I'm not holding my breath.
I guess you'll have to wait until they sobe... wake up.
 
user1646075
i doubt it's any better! seems ridiculous to me. Also it's not got cellular, so it won't be smsing stealth pay-fer scammers
 
9:12 AM
Do negative returned values by modulo operator (%) have any use at all?
 
summer solstice here today
 
9:58 AM
depends on your perspective
apparently nobody can agree on whether they should be negative or not
 
10:16 AM
@niCk Do positive values returned by it have any use at all?
 
wow just watched a video of Tetris on the PS4 and they were getting like 0.25FPS.
 
Xeo
hahaha, yeah
#Ubisoft
@R.MartinhoFernandes Should be fine, ye
Nice and clean.
 
10:37 AM
Kewl. Gonna prepare some characters, then.
 
10:49 AM
hmm I just realized
I notice a trend in questions asked on SO, leading me to answer less questions
a lot of questions nowadays are just about library X that I do not know or even care about
 
practically everybody in the room is being affected by the same trends towards answering less
it's a statistical fact across most high-rep SO answerers, I believe
hmm, can't log in to Jenkins
 
what's this jenkins stuff
 
Build server.
 
build server for what
 
Hmm, I think I don't have any food.
 
10:53 AM
Lounge projects
 
I hope it's verkaufsoffener Sonntag.
 
something Sunday?
 
Sunday with shops open.
 
please explain to me why I'd want a build server
 
You apparently don't.
Woot, it is!
 
10:54 AM
Verkaufsoffene Sonntage 2015 in Hamburg

4. Januar 2015
29. März 2015
27. September 2015
8. November 2015
 
brb buying food.
 
is a build server to speed up compiles?
or
 
arent shops open every sunday there?
 
owch
 
10:55 AM
Only a few Sundays each year.
 
didnt realize Germany was even less civilized than the UK
 
There are a few shops that are open every Sunday, but they're not across the street from here.
 
Poor robot.
 
@FredOverflow It's 2014, and I'm in Berlin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think he knows
 
10:58 AM
Hmm, supermarket only opens at 13.00.
Damn.
How am I supposed to make lunch.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have pasta at home?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or rice
 
order pizza
 
Puppy goes straight to the hardcore solutions I see :P
ordering pizza at 1300 hour
 
@orlp there's a reason I want to buy stuff.
@orlp What's wrong with that o_O?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I always keep a couple of spare packets of dried pasta and pesto so I always have something to eat
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nothing wrong with it per se, just a bit... unorthodox
 
11:00 AM
fuck orthodoxy
 
Why?
It's lunch time.
 
I've never had pizza as lunch
 
also, as far as I am aware, it's perfectly ordinary to order food if you're hungry and don't want to/can't cook
 
fuck that who am I kidding :D
although it was an deep frozen pizza in the oven
 
@Puppy And it's lunch time!
 
11:01 AM
@Puppy I don't know any pizza places that are open at 1300 though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then get on that telephone robot :P
 
Telephone? Imma pull the 'civilized' card now.
 
user1804599
hi
 
Here we order over the Intertubes.
 
true true.
 
11:02 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes check your intranet privilege
 
my experience ordering over the Intertubes was terrible, but I lived in the swamp then.
and the people here are practically still on dialup
 
poland?
 
I'll wait and go to the Mexican place near the old office and get a monad.
I have tea.
 
I am currently lazing around with maximum lazitude
 
Gosh, I don't even have junk food.
 
11:08 AM
me neither
but then I am currently swamp-bound.
 
where is this swamp?
 
it's in a swamp.
 
ok
thanks
 
it's like concentric circles of swamp.
swamps all the way down.
 
@Puppy SWAMP: SWAMP Was A Misty Place
 
11:11 AM
who said anything about mightiness?
 
fixed
 
I live in a city whose name means "swamp", and said city is surrounded by a state whose name means "swamp castle".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "OP's mom"
 
Well... we have a small, muddy puddle in the farm gateway. Last two winters, the puddle expanded to cover most of the field, but this year, so far, our very own swamp is nothing to worry about.
Spending Christmas morning knee-deep in freezing, muddy water, sloshing diesel into pump fuel tanks is not the kind of present anyone should get:(
 
PkP
Ok. So after 30 years of coding I should've known better than to take a pointer to an element of a vector. #banginghisownheadtothewallaftertwodaysofbughunting I mean, seriously, how dumb is it possible to feel? Is there any upper limit? And does it help to broadcast it to SO chat? Please ridicule me.
 
11:26 AM
@PkP Hahaha! It happens even in better families...
 
PkP
Thanks man...
 
@PkP OK - that was stupid, unless immutable. Job done as requested:)
 
PkP
Thanks again. Oh what a wonderful day of corrupted memory and stack frames
 
@PkP One reason to use a vector of ponters, of some kind.
 
user1804599
Create an iterator type that stores a pointer to the vector and an integer.
 
11:28 AM
@PkP If it is any consolation, I have been hunting for a bug in log4cplus for over a year that caused Clang builds of log4cplus to die at run time with std::thread related exceptions related. It turned out I have not initialized/zeroed a flag variable.
5
 
user1804599
Then it's stable across reallocations.
 
I have fixed it like two days ago.
 
@PkP Oh... you destroyed your vector? Even better:)
 
I just spent about 12 hours tracking down a bug which only repros on a 6GB input size...
Wasn't fun. But I finally got it about an hour ago.
 
@Mysticial Nice.
 
user1804599
11:29 AM
@Mysticial Do you spend 20 hours if the input size is 10GB?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes wrap around, (e.g in an array)
and the negative returning value makes mod operator non-euclidean, which I think is invalid
 
PkP
Right... I just summarily changed the vector<element> to vector<*element>, then switch off brains and do while (compile(), hasErrors) {Change.To->AtRedLine():}
 
About 4 of those 12 hours were trying to find a smaller input size that would repro it.
 
@Mysticial I would have documented out the bug, (max input size, 5GB:).
 
@rightføld The original case that showed it was 50GB. I managed to get it to repro on a 6GB input size.
But no smaller.
The repro time for the 50GB case was approximately 90 minutes.
 
user1804599
11:31 AM
Are you working with particle accelerators?
 
@Mysticial lol, intermittent system bugs. I love 'em.
 
For the 6GB case it was like 5 min. Which was much better given that I ran it at least a hundred times today.
 
PkP
@VáclavZeman, congrats on your bugfix...
 
@VáclavZeman 1 year is a long time.
Nice
 
@Mysticial I have spent few hours like every month on it, not progressing. And since it was Clang only, I sort of thought it would go away with a newer version of it. It didn't. :D
 
11:32 AM
I guess it's much harder when you don't know the code.
In my case, I was able to isolate it to about ~70k lines of code within 5 hours. But since I wrote everything, I know exactly how everything is supposed to work.
 
@PkP You could have used an editor macro to destr.... change your . to ->
 
@Mysticial Oh, I know the code. I have been maintaining the library for last few years. It just did not make any sense, especially because GCC and MSVC builds worked just fine.
 
PkP
Guess so... anyway, it's working now, time to recollect what it was I was supposedly doing when the bug appeared
 
user1804599
@VáclavZeman Valgrind reports about reading uninitialised data.
 
@VáclavZeman Oh, I was assuming that you needed to know all of Clang inside and out.
 
11:37 AM
@Mysticial Oh. Right.
@rightføld I have tried that, too. It didn't in this case. Or it was so cryptic that I did not understand. I do not remember. I have even tried the address sanitizer but that did not make any sense to me either. :)
 
I feel like shit. I guess it's a tribute to Tribute :(
Also, the Tribute only went on last night, so I'll be forced to drink it again in a couple hours. Looks like shit-squared tomorrow.
 
PkP
@MartinJames, is it because of the muddy puddle? Oh, guess not
 
damn man
you maintain log4cplus?
my respect for you has just gone through the floor.
 
Hi all
This is Sakthivel Sundaresan from India
 
@PkP lol I haven't checked on the puddle status this morning. I'm more worried about my state later today.
 
11:42 AM
I have been a Java programmer and wanting to switch C++
any thoughts/suggestions ?
 
step one: forget everything about Java.
step two: learn C++.
 
@Puppy lol
 
@sakthisundar Hmm.. do you have any firearms, tall buildings, or poison?
 
yes Puppy :-) I am learning
 
@MartinJames lol
 
user1804599
11:43 AM
4273
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

 
@No Martin I have a sound mind and strong will.
 
user1804599
And no internet tutorials whatsoever; they're all bad.
 
@rightføld Not true. Some of them suck.
 
PkP
@MartinJames have a Pangalactic Gurgle Blaster, then switch on the Somebody Else's Problem field and keep on doing what you're doing
 
@rightfold I am using thinking in C++ and it is too good .
 
user1804599
11:44 AM
It's on the list so it's indeed good.
 
but I want to work on some real work experience
 
user1804599
Help with Styx VM.
 
yay
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280889/… new meta post if anyone cares (usually that's lightness).
 
bought the ski gear
 
11:45 AM
wanting to seriously code in C++ rather than test program
 
@Jefffrey where do you ski?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum alpi
 
@rightfold StyX VM ?
 
@sakthisundar contribute to open source - that's a good way to get started.
 
or do you want me to be more specific?
 
11:45 AM
lol
 
user1804599
You cannot contribute to open source.
 
@Jefffrey naa that's fine. That's awesome, I'm shit at ski I've only done it a few times.
 
user1804599
You can contribute to open source software.
 
@Jeff : Yes
 
I have yet to observe any OSS projects outside the Lounge except perhaps Boost that use actual C++.
most of them are C with Classes crap.
 
user1804599
11:46 AM
ITT Wide is C with Classes crap.
 
@rightføld I thought that was implied, but I guess you're right.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's fun
 
@Jefffrey Maps ?
 
I've become too old for jumps and shit like that, but I used to be a little bit more "adventurous" in my young age :P
 
user1804599
Are you French?
 
user1804599
11:47 AM
  /*
   * Below line outputs that Sakthi is just a normal human being
   * saved by the blood of Christ.An ambitious developer who wants program
   * to glorify God
   */
2
 
user1804599
lol
 
@rightføld are u asking me ?
 
@Puppy a lot of big ones use at least mediocre level C++: templates, collections, RAII, rvalues and all the stuff a novice C++ programmer should be familiar with can be found in projects like HHVM and Chromium - I'm not saying their C++ is good but then again most open source projects have these problems.
 
@sakthisundar yes
 
@Puppy "OSS project"?
 
11:48 AM
@rightføld what is there to laugh in that ? :-)
 
user1804599
As if God isn't being glorified enough already.
 
Yes He is
 
oh
aha
nvm
 
I am a Bible believing Christian
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I thought that Chromium was done with that no-exceptions bullshit.
@sakthisundar You have my sympathies. Consider getting help for that.
 
11:49 AM
@sakthisundar sure you are
 
@Puppy likewise puppy
 
where's the "reply to message" jif?
 
@rightføld can't you ever hold yourself back?
There's no need to mock him.
 
@Jefffrey I'm going to live at another country at some point (for a year or two and in a few years) - I would love to pick up some winter sports and ski in particular more seriously. I just hope I won't suck too horribly.
 
PkP
@sakthisundar respects for having values that you hold on to
 
11:50 AM
@Puppy name one project you think has good code (open source or not).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes God doesn't need a test harness?
 
@PkP thank you
 
user1804599
inb4 Wide
 
well, honestly, I think that if you're commenting your religious attitude in your code, that's mockable, regardless of what that attitude is.
4
 
I am sure I won't do that in my office @Puppy
 
11:51 AM
And I think there's no need to do it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think that some of Boost has some good code. And I was also pretty impressed by PPL/TBB.
 
but that is my personal page from satckoverflow
so if u want to know, that is what I am
 
user1804599
I want to make a video game.
 
well, rightfold didn't attribute where he got that quote from, I merely assumed it was code because of the code comments.
 
@Puppy heh
 
user1804599
11:52 AM
@Puppy From the guy's Stack Overflow bio.
 
I also obviously think that my own code is fantabulous.
 
@Puppy Never mind
 
@sakthisundar 'satckoverflow' - are you hung over too?
 
How the hell did we go from an actual C++ conversation to religion in like 1 min?
 
@MartinJames that was a typo
 
11:53 AM
@Mysticial rightfold...
 
@Mysticial You are surprised by something that happened in the Lounge?
 
rightfold pretty much
 
@Mysticial it is always the case wherever I go . there will someone like @rightføld . But I am glad I am able to talk of God who created heaven and earth; you and me. Now come back to C++ guys
 
user1804599
I want to learn everything about OpenGL.
 
@sakthisundar lol
 
11:54 AM
@sakthisundar Aww.. do we have to? Religion and hitting rightfold was much more fun.
 
@rightføld u were saying about StyX VM
?
I am not finding any sites on that
 
he most definitely didn't create me
that was my mum
 
what is it actually ?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
11:56 AM
@AndyProwl it was actually me.
 
user1804599
You're an experiment.
 
@rightføld you're my mum?
Mum why you never told me you know C++
 
user1804599
C++ is fun.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Trentino is where you want to go. And you'll probably suck horribly, but that's ok. You'll pick it up fast enough. :)
 
It's fun to laugh at
 
11:58 AM
@AndyProwl It's not exactly something to be proud of.
 
@Jefffrey I know :(
 
Are you learning new languages andy?
 
Nope, I suck
 
Who doesn't.
 
I've got plenty of work which I happen to like so I'm devoting pretty much all of my coding time to it
 

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