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8:00 AM
 
Speaking of which, the case of wine I ordered had tracking number for a week, but still not available for tracking this morning.
Win wine whine
 
@chmod711telkitty Perks of living in France. Wine everywhere :p
(And cheap)
 
Xeo
@Tony's playing the budget game again
 
user1804599
Just realised Scala supports GADTs and only GADTs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I more or less calqued
 
8:02 AM
Wine is everywhere here too :p but it's cheaper to get decent wines by the case delivered to your door.
 
hmm - you can clone gists
and you can create branches and push them back
secret gists == unlimited private repos? :D
 
I shouldn't get my hand on wine cases... Would drink too much lol
 
Usually cost me $5-$6 a bottle instead of $10-$20
Yeah that's my worry too.
 
You get really good ones (even some Grands Crus ) here with a 10-20€ budget per bottle
 
Self control :x
I have been to France & bought wine there :p
 
8:04 AM
 
I like French wines
 
This one is the devil in a bottle
 
Worse: it’s Griwes on a bottle
 
I also like New Zealand wines
 
someone clone this repo, and see if you can push changes to the develop branch :v gist.github.com/9885486bbd7853dcb0ed.git
 
8:07 AM
Are those better than grape wines?
 
user1804599
I wish I had three arms.
 
@GregorMcGregor Scanning for pun... 404 pun not found
Plz halp
 
@melak47 not found when pushing, cloning is fine though
 
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Q: double byte character sequence conversion issue in Visual Studio 2015

wilxI am trying to convert double char character sequence (DBCS) in CP936 to wchar_t using C++ locale. This is the code: #include <iostream> #include <vector> #include <locale> #include <codecvt> // 国 in CP936 char const src[] = "\xB9\xFA"; int main() { std::locale loc(".936"); typedef std...

Shameless plug.
 
user1804599
Shameless buttplug.
 
8:15 AM
Many little things seem to have broken in VS2015, I'm guessing because of all the new compiler backend work they're doing.
 
@OMGtechy This is a library issue, most likely.
 
user1804599
Yell at STL.
 
Hopefully probably.
 
Is this my issue or @VisualStudio issue? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33254089/double-byte-character-sequence-conversion-issue-in-visual-studio-2015
 
#plugiteverywhere
 
8:26 AM
@LucDanton hm, well maybe because it's "secret" :)
@LucDanton if you feel like trying again(public gist this time): gist.github.com/d8059d9ad313345b8388.git
 
nah
 
@melak47 You can't push to public gists either.
 
ok, I can't push to gists not associated with my account - 403 access denied :)
I wonder if gists have their large storage thing enabled :p
 
@wilx Your code works for me.
 
Ell
I'm late I'm late I'm late - for a very important lecture :S
 
8:37 AM
res: 0
errno: 0
 
@GregorMcGregor Weird.
 
VS2013.
 
res: 2, errno: 42 with 2015 on win 10 here
 
@GregorMcGregor Ah, well, I am using 2015.
@melak47 That is what I get.
 
Yo, does the term "1Gb copper Ethernet" mean anything in particualr? I mean, isn't that just CAT6 Ethernet?
I mean, why the specification of 'copper'?
 
8:41 AM
Best error message I've had so far was "Could not open file, reason: The operation completed successfully". That was also from a Windows API function IIRC
 
@thecoshman CAT6 is a class/quality of the cabling. IIRC it is the minimum for 1 Gbps Ethernet. So, IMHO, CAT6 Ethernet is wrong/confusing at the very least.
@thecoshman You can run Ethernet over optical network as well.
 
@OMGtechy I like eclipse's "a fatal error occurred while displaying a fatal error"
 
ahaha really? xD that's terribly awesome
 
You just blew my mind
 
8:44 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, you are invoking UB! errno is AFAIK undefined unless error occurred. :)
 
It's still funny :D
 
Someone decided to print decoration for the office.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Storm trooper Buddha?
 
He needs a hat
Yes, a storm trooper helmet
 
Ell
he has a helmet instead
 
8:45 AM
Oh I couldn't tell from here
after zooming in I can
He needs paint instead then
 
/me is fiercely refreshing his question.
 
Xeo
Should've had Boba Fett's helmet instead - Buddha Fett.
 
Ell
^
 
user1804599
Why on Earth would you use a macro for this? — Elyse just now
 
user1804599
WTF
 
8:50 AM
@wilx oh true, that's still 'Ethernet' isn't it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice butt plug
 
@wilx I admire your persistence
 
@thecoshman It is.
 
Ell
Feck, I need a shave
 
Grow a beard, then you can call it a feature rather than a facial bug.
 
@Ell Grow a beard!
 
8:52 AM
100% of people recommend
let's disregard the fact that there are only 2 people used to calculate that
 
@wilx Ok, so it just seems a bit odd then that this document is specifically saying you should use copper Ethernet... none od this fancy pants light based technology
 
@thecoshman What document is it? It might be because the optical components are more costly?
 
Xeo
@Ell don't shave, trim!
(shaving is too much effort, so I only ever trim roughly every 4 weeks)
 
I only grew my beard out of laziness, but now I find the inverse problem, now I need to shave with care around my beard. Have considered going back to the light and shaving it off as a result, but ... meh
 
@wilx work stuff, so can't really say much more
 
8:57 AM
@thecoshman I see.
 
@OMGtechy Yeah, I'll suggest that to my boss.
 
@Xeo yeah, that's basically all I do
 
user1804599
instance Floating String where
  pi = "3.14"
  exp x = show (exp (intval x))
  sqrt x = show (sqrt (intval x))
  log x = show (log (intval x))

  sin x = show (sin (intval x))
  cos x = sin (x + 90)
  sinh x = show (sinh (intval x))
  cosh x = sinh (x + 90)
  asin x = show (asin (intval x))
  acos x = asin (x + 90)
  atan x = asin x / acos x
  asinh x = show (asinh (intval x))
  acosh x = asinh (x + 90)
  atanh x = asinh x / acosh x
 
user1804599
awesome
 
I should get my new phone today
but chances are misses will be out of house when they attempt to deliver :\
 
9:00 AM
Hi everyone, sorry for interrupting ;) I have a short question about C++. I'm wondering about behavior of a simple code. Let's say that we have a one thread that starts 2 more threads. It's obvious that without synchronization these threads can execute theirs code in more or less random order. But what about starting the threads? Do they start in order (by start I mean be created) or is it possible that the order will be also random to some extent.
 
@MateuszKleinert That's a moot question.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes elaborate?
 
Your program can't tell the difference.
@OMGtechy I'll suggest painting it?
 
Oh, I thought you were talking about beards. Yes, do it :D
@MateuszKleinert Even if they started in the specified order, they could be instantly context switched and act as if they weren't when they get switched back in. So, I think this is an XY problem or not a problem at all.
 
I don't see how they could not start not in order
Unless by start you mean "scheduled first" in which case it's unspecified ofc
 
9:04 AM
@GregorMcGregor None of that is observable, hence they could just as well start not in order.
 
It's observable because you get a thread ID
Depends what you mean by start really :/
 
@GregorMcGregor Starting, whatever you want that to mean, can be delayed until you ask for the ID.
 
More to the point, you really shouldn't be trying to design solutions that depend on such things
 
How are you going to ask for the ID? :p
 
Also, having an ID doesn't imply it was started.
The ID could simply be an index into an array of "pending or started threads"
 
9:08 AM
And what's "pending"
 
Not started.
Whatever you want "started" to mean, it's the opposite meaning.
 
What's a "not started" thread
A thread is either started or terminated
 
@GregorMcGregor Things could be worse :)
 
Can anyone guide me to a room where I can ask a question about GIT? :)
 
@GregorMcGregor The pending state is not observable, but its existences enables the threads to start not in order.
Or the compiler just reorders the thread construction statements.
 
9:11 AM
I'll explain what I'm doing at this moment. We have a log from TTCN-3 implemented solution (there is a C++ under the hood). And from the log we can see that one event (in this case starting a thread - let's call it number 2) occurs before another one - let's call it number 2. I was just curious if it can be a language specific behavior. On the other hand I don't have access to the source code of the logger, so it can provide some not correct data.
 
Point is that you can't write a program that prints the order in which the two threads were started.
 
@GregorMcGregor yes that's exactly what I mean :)
 
threads start in the order you asked them to start, the end
whichever is scheduled first is another thing
 
@GregorMcGregor No, they don't, because you can't observe that order.
 
enter: model-dependent realism
 
9:12 AM
that's completely irrelevant
you don't need to observe something you state
 
It's 100% relevant: it means the question is moot.
 
@GregorMcGregor I see your point, and you're correct, but from a practical point of view it doesn't matter: you can't reply on any behaviour that results from it.
 
threadA.start(); print("thread A started"); threadB.start(); print("thread B started");
there, I just printed the orders in which two threads start
 
Touché
 
That's not it.
 
9:14 AM
it very much is
 
Can't tell that program apart from threadB.start(); print("thread A started"); threadA.start(); print("thread B started");
 
not from observable behaviour, but from program intent you can
 
Oo, got the case of wine I bought in front of the door - saw it when I came back ... obviously the tracking number did not work ... a few bottles of 2007 & 2009s, sweet!
 
> This site may expose you or the company to risk.
 
Is it a picture of Bartek's mom
 
Clearly both threads are first and second at the same time, until you observe them. They are in a super state. They are simultaneously, pending, started, running, suspended and finished all at the same time, until you observe it.
@GregorMcGregor no, that is the order to gave the command for them to start.
 
@AndyProwl gimaging
 
gimmicking
 
@thecoshman lol
 
ah excitement! my phone is with delivery courier
 
A couple of things: [here](https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/54304?m=26397384#26397384) you don't realize that, at least to an outsider, it appears you are making the same assumption with s/the same/different/. It's minor, but it helps a lot to sometimes consider slight variations of your own arguments against yourself. Other than that, I find the whole thing very boring because there's a lot of repetition of the same points. Sometimes it's best to just drop it.
It can be ok to simply ignore certain replies. By acknowledging them you may lend them credibility they don't deserve and
Like PageRank: the more replies/mentions some point gets, the more important it appears.
@BartekBanachewicz I notice that you tried to steer things back into the frame you intended originally, unsuccessfully. I think that works better if you do it implicitly. Presenting a point that steers things back into the important matter works better than acknowledging an irrelevant one even if you do so to ask to "stay on topic". Granted, it's not always easy.
@AndyProwl SFW?
lol
 
9:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think so
 
apart from the text which maybe is not
 
Xeo
@thecoshman did he call you using it?
 
Hi :)
 

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