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2:00 PM
man I'm hash tagged so much today, what have you folks done to me
 
So, if you guys are interested in this bug, please vote it up on the Connect site!
 
@LucDanton Oh, naturally, I was just filling in the blanks. But US is interesting for all sorts of weirdness in the legal department.
 
united states of shitty laws
 
@wilx done
 
@ElimGarak Yeah - all lawyers, to start with.
 
2:00 PM
@ElimGarak Just like literally every other nation.
 
@ElimGarak Is it? The police is part of the executive btw.
 
is there a way (and is it wise) to silence an intentional unsigned overflow?
 
@melak47 example code generating the warning?
 
unit testing to see if a function detects overflows
(timers and stuff)
 
@CMS_95 in short, C++ does not have a built in variant type in the language or the standard library, so you'll have to use a library for this or implement yourself
 
2:02 PM
@melak47 Just don't do it the PHP way of if (x > INT_MAX)
 
@LucDanton Indeed, but they only enforce the laws, even if they don't necessarily agree with them. The blame is mostly in other corners.
 
@OMGtechy that makes sense, Thank you for the help!
 
It’s clearly a failure of the legislative. Although I guess you can always point out to elected judges and prosecutors (dunno how that applies to Georgia in particular though)
 
The devil went down to Georgia, but forgot to check for a reciprocal agreement and was not allowed to practice.
 
@CatPlusPlus o.O
 
2:03 PM
For me, prohibition times were the most bonkers, the reasoning behind it. And the really weird special agency that came out of it full of questionable characters to enforce it.
 
I realize that VS has some different aspects for the binary_op objects
 
template<typename T> constexpr T timeout_interval() { return std::numeric_limits<T>::max() / 3 * 2; }
template<typename T> constexpr T pause_interval() { return std::numeric_limits<T>::max(); }
template<typename T> constexpr T start_time() { return std::numeric_limits<T>::max() - std::numeric_limits<T>::max() / 10; }
// These produce overflows intentionally, to test if timers detect them correctly
template<typename T> constexpr T somewhere_before_timeout() { return start_time<T>() + timeout_interval<T>() / 2; }
 
Use unsigned literals
 
@ElimGarak Prohibiting social drugs did not work then, but the lesson was not learned.
 
@CatPlusPlus what
 
2:05 PM
@melak47 e.g. 3u.
 
@LucDanton that's not gonna work as intended when these are instantiated for different types is it?
 
I don't know the promotion/coercion rules but it might be doing signed overflow because of this vOv I don't think unsigned one should warn since it's defined
 
I don’t know your intent. I also didn’t understand the question up there.
 
warning: large integer implicitly truncated to unsigned type [-Woverflow]
might be, because it gets isntantiated with unsigned char :(
 
2:07 PM
static_cast to desired type to express intent
@melak47 And yes, unsigned literals would help. Try that first.
 
@ElimGarak What
 
@LucDanton but I can't write std::numeric_limits<T>::max() / 3 * 2 with literals
 
when I point to a dynamic variable for output it returns the memory location, so to reverse that do I put the "&" instead of the "*" or is it still going to give the memory location?
 
3 and 2 are literals
 
@melak47 Apparently you just did
 
2:08 PM
@ElimGarak whatfor
 
@CatPlusPlus I am afraid your favorite pasttime is illegal in Ontario. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus changing those doesn't help
 
@ElimGarak That bill didn't pass
Also what the fuck is that even
 
@melak47 Time to static_cast.
 
fun fact
 
2:10 PM
Oh, I just saw the status page.
 
inside a hollow sphere, you feel exactly 0 gravitational pull from the sphere at every point
 
@ElimGarak It's forbidden in france since the late 90's I believe.
 
@LucDanton that works :)
 
Why would people toss dwarves? Gnomes are so much more practical.
 
Dwarf-tossing, or midget-tossing, is a pub/bar attraction in which dwarfism-affected persons wearing special padded clothing or Velcro costumes are thrown onto mattresses or at Velcro-coated walls. Participants compete to throw the dwarf the farthest. A related formerly practiced activity was dwarf-bowling, in which a person with dwarfism was placed on a skateboard and used as a bowling ball. == LegalityEdit == === CanadaEdit === In Ontario, Canada, the Dwarf Tossing Ban Act, 2003 was introduced by Windsor West MPP Sandra Pupatello. This private member's public bill did not proceed beyo...
 
2:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes damn, beat me by 1 sec
 
Dwarf-bowling is the best.
 
@melak47 That documents 'yes, I want the value to wrap-around if it’s too big' to both hooman readers and warning-enabled compilers.
 
> By posting or uploading the content on an NHL page, you grant the NHL a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable worldwide license in any and all media to use, modify and create derivative works based upon that content for any purpose, including advertising and promotion, without notice, attribution or payment.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds reasonable. :P
 
@LucDanton which is what I was looking for. thanks :)
 
2:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel As seen on facebook: "you didn't believe me when I said canadians were fed up with Harper. It's Trudeau." :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel step 1. upload your friend's content to the NHL page
step 2. trick NHL to use your friend's content
step 3. sue for teh moniez
 
@melak47 Just for the hell of it, the opposite tool that means 'I don’t want to lose information' is T { expr }.
 
> You certify that you are the original author or creator of your content, and that you have the right to post it. You also certify that you have permission from anyone depicted in a photograph you post to agree to these terms, and that the NHL's use of your content in accordance with this license will not violate or infringe upon anyone else's rights.
@orlp They thought of this.
 
@EtiennedeMartel no they didn't
 
See above.
 
2:14 PM
they can't certify that you are the original author
 
But you can.
 
you are just an anon from the internet
 
> In October 2011, Ritch Workman introduced legislation that would overturn the ban on dwarf-tossing, claiming such a ban to be an "unnecessary burden on the freedom and liberties of people" and "an example of Big Brother government". Although not a personal advocate of the activity, Workman stated "if a little person wants to make a fool out of themselves for money, they should have the same right to do so as any average sized person".
 
If you're suing, you're no longer anonymous.
 
if they steal someone's content, they can't go to court "but mr juuudge, somone uploaded it to our site"
@EtiennedeMartel you're assuming that the person who sues is the same as who posts
 
2:15 PM
The above clause means that if you post stolen content, then you're liable, not them.
 
Set up giant-tossing public parties to protest the bans.
 
@orlp The person suing would have to establish the poster's identity.
 
man was this good
 
@EtiennedeMartel that doesn't work
 
2:15 PM
they're still liable
 
Also Sylvari-tossing parties cc @GregorMcGregor
 
the whole soundtrack of the thing
 
if you purchase stolen goods, you're liable
even if you don't know
 
it's so bad that the most underground nfs since nfs underground is a microtransaction powered mobile title :<
 
@ElimGarak Nice.
 
2:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel imagine if imgur had that clause in their ToS
 
@orlp Mere conduit.
@orlp Not similar.
 
they would be able to use all content there is
 
@AlexM. I loved that game.
 
lel. Someone proposed a more performant lock-free queue for boost
> btw, one thing i could spot right away: you are using
std::this_thread::yield() ... which is blocking the caller thread and
not allowed e.g. in real-time applications ...
 
No, they wouldn't.
 
2:16 PM
simply because someone uploaded it to their site, so therefore they're liable, no imgur
see how that doesn't make any sense?
 
If you're the author, you have no chance in court with that.
 
it doesn't make any sense for NHL, nor does it for imgur
 
Uses yield(). lolwut
 
You can, however, request unilateral removal.
@orlp You're not listening.
Safe harbor.
 
They're only liable if they don't remove it once identified
 
2:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes safe harbor doesn't cover a perpetual, non-exclusive, irrevocable, fully-paid, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable worldwide license in any and all media to use, modify and create derivative works based upon that content for any purpose, including advertising and promotion, without notice, attribution or payment.
 
@CatPlusPlus This. That's the sole purpose of that clause.
 
@orlp They don't get the license if you're not the author.
 
Once they get caught, they get to remove it with no consequences.
 
@orlp An invalid license is not valid. Duh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was my entire point
 
2:18 PM
@orlp I don't see any point there.
 
.
here's a point
 
An invalid license is not valid. Duh.
                                         ^     ^ there they are
fml
who doesn't love proportional fonts?
 
topkek
 
You have only yourself to blame
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm leaving it up for shame
 
2:20 PM
Yeah, use Courier New DejaVu Sans Mono.
 
The concept is this: since they couldn't get the license in the first place, then they get to simply remove the content, while you can get sued for not respecting the terms.
 
It's some variant of the honor system.
 
Vaccinated DevaJu
 
Acting in good faith etc
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Great suggestion. DejaVu Sans Mono best font
 
2:22 PM
It was a joke.
 
ahahah
 
Jokes don't exist
 
My point is that they can never use that license for any advertising, etc, because they are responsible for making sure that they have a proper contract with the copyright owner. Hiding a clause in ToS and then trying to argue in court that some anon on the internet claimed they were the owners and licensed it to them does not hold.
 
@orlp We'll see.
ToSes have been found to be binding in court before.
 
orlp, there's a reason you have to tick that you've read the ToS. If ToSes were irrelevant, nobody would write them.
 
2:26 PM
@orlp No one will ever argue that in court.
 
also you are grossly overrating the risk of having to take anything to court over internet content
 
They don't need to.
If you don't provide them a notice, you essentially have no case.
 
@LucDanton Avec ou sans sauce ?
 
In fact, you'd only have a case here if the ToS would be deemed non-binding.
 
Ugh gotta get food again
 
2:28 PM
Let's say you are a professional photographer. You make a cool picture and someone takes it from your portfolio and posts it on an NHL site. The NHL then proceeds to act like it's ToS claims they can act, and use that picture for an ad campaign. You notice your picture in the ad campaign and are pissed. You sue the NHL for using your picture without a license. Do you now think they can really get away with having used your picture without royalties, just because some anon uploaded it?
 
well fixed one issue
 
@GregorMcGregor Thank I was feeling a bit hungry there.
 
@GregorMcGregor Why is this webpage not in a language
 
@GregorMcGregor pratique
 
2:29 PM
@orlp Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes time for me to set up an 'NHL' site then
 
@orlp They acted in good faith.
 
Intent matters
 
@orlp Go ahead.
 
@AnalPhabet pleb
 
2:30 PM
@GregorMcGregor it doesn’t tell me how long I should save to get my own island :(
 
Proving intent is the most important thing in making criminal charges stick.
 
@ElimGarak criminal?
this is not criminal law
 
user1804599
> is_null($order) === FALSE
 
The wrongdoer is the uploader.
 
@GregorMcGregor heheheh
nah 75 is too much
 
user1804599
2:32 PM
y u no $order !== NULL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would argue that simply putting this clause in your ToS is not sufficient effort to act in good faith of claiming you have a license.
 
@orlp Whatever the specifics are, you're not getting far without intent. And the uploader is the wrongdoer, given that ToS explicitly expects the user to operate bona fide (in good faith).
 
75% tax is insane
 
@orlp Good luck with that.
8 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
ToSes have been found to be binding in court before.
 
anything above 50 is crazy
 
2:33 PM
And instead of arguing, look up previous cases. People don't write ToSes because it is fun.
 
@GregorMcGregor it's not
 
@orlp Seriously, the only way your view works is if ToS are non-binding.
 
@ElimGarak If I act like a fence, but put up a big sign that I expect my sellers to act in good faith and not be thieves, that doesn't change a thing.
 
@Mr.kbok ynot?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's two parts of a binding contract
 
2:34 PM
@GregorMcGregor It's capital tax, not income tax.
 
first is the contract itself - I do not doubt it's binding (well, I guess I do, but for the sake of the argument, let's assume I don't)
 
@Mr.kbok still insane!
 
second is the parties involved
you need to make sure you're signing a contract with the right party
 
@GregorMcGregor yawn - needs proof
 
@GregorMcGregor The state takes 75% of gains that you make while doing nothing, because the economy works well. it's pretty fair imo
 
2:35 PM
simply putting a clause inside the contract that says 'we assume you're the right guy' is not enough
 
The computer is acting like the fence, not the human. The human cannot parse all the data that goes through on a daily basis. They can only act after the fact, and as long as they do, they're in the clear. If that weren't the case, many internet companies would be liable for a lot of shit.
 
@sehe yawn - good attitude to encourage me to prove, out without even starting
 
:) I know how to to treat you well
 
@ElimGarak I'm not arguing for automatic reproduction of images - that falls under safe harbour.
 
@orlp I don't know why you keep saying it isn't when history shows it clearly is.
 
2:36 PM
I'm explicitly mentioning the case where they use it for an ad campaign - made by humans.
 
@GregorMcGregor That money belongs to the community, it only goes to capital holders because the economic system doesn't work very well on the edges.
 
@Mr.kbok COMMUNIST
 
granted
@Mr.kbok what's more, they usually take only a pct. of a fictional gain, so in practice if you do better you'll win at taxes too
 
user1804599
hi sehehehehehe
 
Whether it should work is a different matter, but in practice, this works.
 
2:37 PM
@sehe stuttering?
 
It's not hard to do better since you can take risks
 
@GregorMcGregor No amount of effort, intelligence, whatever, can justify having such a difference in income between two people
 
@GregorMcGregor apparently
 
@Mr.kbok Oh I don't disagree with that
 
@Elyse hi Élyséeeeeeeen
 
2:37 PM
@sehe Yeah, no one at the 75% bar really pays 75% anyway.
 
I just felt like being retarded
 
> like
 
ELI5 How does a communist country like Europe manage to economy
??????
 
@BartekBanachewicz the thing about getContents and lazy eval is interesting
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup, morals are questionable in such cases. But those safety nets are in place to protect innocent people. Even though some might abuse them to an extent, they're worth it.
 
2:38 PM
@GregorMcGregor Anyway, it's not about merit - my point is that capital yield belongs to the state (mostly) because the state is the reason you have capital yield in the first place
 
I'm really waiting for this whole ultracapitalistic system to collapse
 
And I am not exactly sure what orlp's problem with all of it is.
 
@AlexM. getContents is tangential to lazy evaluation.
 
I would've never guessed that this works on a line by line basis forever
 
@Mr.kbok I disagree with that
 
2:38 PM
main = do
    contents <- getContents
    putStr (map toUpper contents)
 
pls don't destroy gw2 datacenters though
 
I believe there can be differences
but there must be a baseline and a maximum
 
@Mr.kbok But the state steals from the rich!
 
@orlp I did say such a difference
 
the baseline must be sufficient for comfortable life
 
2:39 PM
@orlp "such a difference"
You're arguing a different point now.
 
my bad
misread for 'a difference'
 
> Dear fellow Haskeller
 
@GregorMcGregor it's the other way around
 
hmm
 
I thought you were arguing for absolute equality :)
 
2:40 PM
I want to be rich
 
@CatPlusPlus why?
 
I want to break free. I don't need you. I've got to break free. God knows, god knows, I want to break free.
 
@Mr.kbok <SARCASM>It's a good thing I don't have to write with giant sarcasm tags around my text lest you miss it</SARCASM>
 
Whyever not
 
@AlexM. main = map toUpper <$> getContents >>= putStr
 
2:40 PM
@ElimGarak Use a debugger.
 
@AndyProwl Dear fellow Haskeller, I’m Michael Snoyman thing?
 
HOW TO BREAK FREE
4
@ScarletAmaranth yeah
 
HOW TO STOP THIS STUPID MEME ALREADY
7
 
@CatPlusPlus mainly because for your to be rich requires someone else to be poor in the current world
 
just got the email as well, wtf
 
2:41 PM
@AndyProwl Fall in love for the first time, this time, know it for real.
 
@GregorMcGregor You can not-believe what you said without believing what I said.
 
@GregorMcGregor booo
 
@GregorMcGregor NEVAR
 
@GregorMcGregor Booo
 
@ElimGarak god knows...
 
2:41 PM
main = (liftM $ map toUpper) getContents >>= putStr .... m nah that's worse
 
@GregorMcGregor the only decent reply
 
@ScarletAmaranth ffs, I’m fairly sure I tried unsubbing already
 
> Netanyahou déclare qu'Hitler «ne voulait pas exterminer les juifs»
 
@BartekBanachewicz is that better than the thing I posted?
it's from a tutorial
 
@LucDanton yeah there's enough shit flooding into my mailbox anyway :-\
 
2:42 PM
> mfw Americans call Forcey Funtime "Rape"
lol
 
> Thanks for the feedback
I told them to fuck off
 
@orlp Tough
 
Tough fucking tits, as Michael de Santa would say.
 
@GregorMcGregor Netanyahou is such an idiot.
 
lol, 'HOW TO BREAK FREE' the timing... just had to rescue girl delivering Kleeneze catalog to our doorway, but she got trapped there by Bailey, (who wanted to play, but he has a really loud bark that can be misinterpreted).
 
2:43 PM
@LucDanton lol
 
@LucDanton At least you're honest!
 
@GregorMcGregor He claims it was all the Palestinians fault.
 
I can imagine Netanyahu saying "Hitler was okay I guess"
 
It annoys me that there is so much propaganda/misinformation/rumors out there that it's basically impossible to form an objective unbiased opinion of anything happening without first hand experience.
 
2:46 PM
The trick is to not care
 
@CatPlusPlus but I do care
I can pretend I don't, but that's not true
 
@orlp stop
 
@orlp Yostop
 
You have nobody but yourself to blame
 
2:48 PM
@orlp make it true
doublethink
 
I wanna drop through to the next switch case.
 
@orlp Repeat after Jon Lajoie: "I don't give a fuck about motherfuckin' anything, people care about shit, I say, "Fuck everything". Fuck you, fuck me, fuck the sky, fuck trees."
 
@ElimGarak Oooh, fuck trees
Is Dendrophilia punishable in US?
 
@AnalPhabet Not according to the legislative branch.
 
Interesting
 
2:56 PM
Needs some root cause analysis.
 
@MartinJames lol
 
@GregorMcGregor lol
 
Martin, hey.
You are alive.
Again.
 
@Jefffrey I'm leafing.
 
@Jefffrey No, he's clearly dead
 
2:59 PM
@MartinJames For the afterlife?
 
@MartinJames requiescat in pace
 
@MartinJames it ducks
 
@Jefffrey For the bar.
 

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