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12:00 AM
Seriously, I can't get enough of TGAG. It's just too good xD
 
@DemCodeLines I can't agree. From a purely technical viewpoint, I suppose it's kind of true. Just for example, a minimal "chat" program is one of the first things most people do as they're learning to to write network code. Nonetheless, good chat programs that really work well are somewhere between rare and nonexistent. Disqus (or however, they decided to spell it) is trying to do better, but I'm pretty sure there's still quite a bit of room for something that's better still.
 
Like I said many times all successful people are just lucky
 
Not successful per se, but those who are filthy rich. I can kinda agree with that, with exceptions confirming the rule.
 
@ElimGarak Who is running a successful startup without being crazy rich?
 
I think he's talking about the likes of scientists
 
12:04 AM
Have I ever described how much I hate the word startup? It's right there with "hacker"
 
but they are lucky too, born with talents
 
@JerryCoffin Understood, but you can't building a business solely around a chat application.
 
@ElimGarak But hackers are coool!!!
 
Usually, people would make a prototype, make something, work on it. Most early game dev studios were a rag tag bunch of guys, making games... They only formed the company when it became necessary. Nowadays, these startups get formed with nothing but shit in their eyes and wind in their pockets, running around and begging for money. It's disgusting.
 
12:06 AM
Hey room, what's up?
 
Hi.
 
Garak was one of my favorite DS9 characters.
 
Mine too. He's awesome.
 
@DemCodeLines Perhaps not. Then again, perhaps so. At least IMO, a good chat program is a whole lot more useful than Twitter can ever hope to be.
 
Is chat like a micro-twitter, except you stop following everyone when you leave the room?
 
12:08 AM
If you are not too greedy, being a landlord/landlady in a ever expanding global city, especially with net immigration is way easier than being an entrepreneur
 
I love you all (maybe), but I have to leave :(
See you tomorrow.
 
ok, sincere enough, you may go.
 
Bye, bby <3
 
tomorrow for you could be today for some of us
 
@JerryCoffin You're a software engineer and most of us are, so it's logical for us to think that a "well-engineered-chat-room" > Twitter
But reality is quite different. Twitter is far more successful and profitable than a well-engineered chat application would ever be.
 
12:11 AM
@chmod711telkitty Haha, I don't care :D
 
@DemCodeLines Maybe--but given the complete lack of well engineered chat programs to which it can be compared, I'm unconvinced.
 
@ElimGarak Before I start working on Icicle again, I'm thinking of making a small library to handle the context creation and whatnot.
I don't actually know how I'll go about doing this.
 
I very highly doubt that anything that is technically superior to Twitter will make much of a difference in the consumer land. Twitter is an established brand. Anyone that tried to do anything like Twitter, no matter how many times better, will not be able to grab a large chunk of audience, unless Twitter messes up really bad.
 
@Nooble Well, Icicle is supposed to do that in its bowels (the rendering module of your engine) :P
 
Regardless of that example, there are lots more where people get by with sites (often for years) that are, objectively, awful, merely because nobody's built anything better. Just for example, when I used to do consulting (so I traveled more) I was constantly reminded of how awful all the travel web sites are. I have some ideas I think could improve them, but I've never built them, so I still work for a living (and we all still put up with shitty travel sites).
 
12:14 AM
@ElimGarak Oh but I can reuse this magical context-creating wizard library for things.
 
By all means, experiment. At least you've got all the time in the world. :D
 
@ElimGarak This will change soon.
 
So, I heard "probably" on the TV as I was writing code... Looks at editor... @probably(weak). Wtf, brain?
 
I sometimes find myself typing the wrong words.
without any distraction whatsoever.
But they're spelled right.
 
oh wow; we've seen a few of this type around here I think
I never thought it would get this disparate
 
12:26 AM
@sehe top rekt
 
@sehe Try /r/iamverysmart
 
disparate?
 
I dunno. Sometimes I accidentally make up words
Adjective: disparate ‎(comparative more disparate, superlative most disparate)
  1. Composed of inherently different or distinct elements; incongruous.
  2. Essentially different; of different species, unlike but not opposed in pairs; also, less properly, utterly unlike; incapable of being compared; having no common genus.
  3. disparate (masculine and feminine, plural disparates)
  4. disparate
Noun: disparate ‎(plural disparates)
  1. (chiefly in the plural) Any of a group of unequal or dissimilar things.
  2. disparate m (plural disparates)
  3. Great amount; a lot
  4. disparate m ‎(plural disparates)
Verb: disparāte
  1. first-person plural present active imperative of disparō
Nah. I'm fine
@LucDanton I know you are !
 
hey now
 
@Morwenn good night
 
12:28 AM
Maybe I'm just not smart enough, but I'm having trouble applying any of those meanings except "unequal"
But that seems to not be the point.
 
@sehe Ahahahahah
 
@AaronHall have you seen the top /and/ the bottom posts?
 
But obvious troll with "For those of you unfamiliar with IQ"
 
I wouldn't be too sure about that
 
Yeah, but I though the bottom one was satirizing the top?
 
12:31 AM
I'm unequiequal about it.
 
Here's that post that the one below references. Oh, he deleted it, but it is still there.
 
@JerryCoffin To be fair, launching an air travel web site is difficult. API's to get data is almost non-existent.
 
> I think everyone already assumes kissless virgin when someone brags about IQ on the internet.
 
@AaronHall ah. So you missed the point
 
> That classical music you listen to is like the first fucking class of Western art music 101
 
12:34 AM
Yeah, that too. No taste whatsoever.
Better to listen to cpt. Beefheart or something
 
On May 23, 2014, in Isla Vista, California, Elliot Rodger killed six people and injured fourteen others near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, before committing suicide. The attack began when 22-year-old Rodger stabbed three men to death in his apartment. Afterward, he drove to a sorority house and shot three female students outside, killing two. He drove to a nearby deli and shot to death a male student who was inside. He began to speed through Isla Vista, shooting and wounding several pedestrians and striking several others with his car. Rodger exchanged gunfire with police...
Elliot Rodger he references below.
 
@DemCodeLines It is--but that doesn't change the fact that they've all been doing the job terribly for well over a decade now, and none seems to even be thinking about how they could improve.
 
holy shit
I just realized how lucky I am
it turns out that for this homework assignment that my uni ships .o files without source
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe because new guys don't have access to the APIs?
 
12:42 AM
@orlp how does it make you lucky
 
No way
 
@sehe that I'm able to work on this assignment at all
 
considering how fragile shipping object code is
 
> lucky
 
12:42 AM
@DemCodeLines Perhaps--but the fact remains that there have been travel web sites for a long time, and there's still room for a lot of improvement. IOW, no, we're not in a situation where all the good ideas are already taken, or anything like that. The most successful web sites mostly just do a mediocre job, where their competitors and predecessors did substantially worse jobs. And there's still a lot of room for sites that simply do different things (admittedly, some of them kind of stupid).
 
@orlp depends a lot. But yeah, it's very strange practice
 
Oh, of course, substitute "mobile app" for "web site" and it mostly remains true.
 
> He said he wanted to punish women for rejecting him and to punish sexually active men for living a more enjoyable life than his.
the beta is strong with this one
 
@GregorMcGregor Sorry, but this is not beta; it's worse.
 
@JerryCoffin I understand, but the old players are not going to do anything. New players don't have technical access to do anything. So there's not much that can be done. If API's were public, competitors would be popping up left and right.
 
12:45 AM
@GregorMcGregor more like zeta
 
Same reason you and I probably can't do much either, even if we wanted to.
 
I wonder how many mass shootings it will take to change that retarded law
 
imo, already too many, but im not merkin
 
user406009
Which retarded law?
 
I had a classmate at FSU who was a Sheriff's deputy. He wore his gun to class. My Political Science prof objected, and I got mad and scornfully pointed out that if we started hearing gunshots in the hallway, we'd be very glad he was there.
 
12:48 AM
@AaronHall You wouldnt hear gunshots in the hallway if guns werent so pervasive :)
 
That ended the prof's objections.
 
@DemCodeLines Last time I looked, virtually all the existing sites have APIs to retrieve flight information, place orders, etc. (and a site that does this can/does earn a percentage of what it sells). Most are oriented toward slightly personalized links from a travel blog and such, but could be put to more sophisticated uses if somebody were to bother. Simple fact is, most haven't noticed how bad they are or how much better they could be.
 
Yes because responding to violence by violence has always been a great idea
 
user406009
@AaronHall there is a much higher chance of that gun being used for a bad purpose
 
Well, I'm spoiled because I live in NYC where I have a cop on every corner and an ugly doorman to scare away nogoodniks.
 
12:49 AM
this will end well :v
 
user406009
Look at gun suicide/accident rates
 
@Borgleader We might be less likely to hear them if there were fewer guns. We definitely wouldn't hear them if we took the simple precaution of removing ears at birth so everybody was deaf.
 
@JerryCoffin Right, but it's not like there are general purpose API's that all these current travel sites use. They each have their own APIs. You can't build a website that relies on your competitor's API.
 
@JerryCoffin I was waiting for that
 
@Borgleader It was pretty obvious... :-)
 
user406009
12:51 AM
I personally don't really care if more people own guns. If rational adults want to increase their chance of death by owning a gun, that's on them.
 
@JerryCoffin Well not that obvious, I didn't know what you'd come up with exactly, but this subject was ripe for the Jerrying
 
@DemCodeLines Resellers of all sorts have been doing pretty much that for a long time.
 
@LucDanton Commander is that you
 
@GregorMcGregor I actually never noticed that line while actually playing or at least it didn’t stick, I don’t know why everybody uses it lol
Vacate these premises!
 
@LucDanton Playing what? Mass Effect?
 
12:56 AM
@Borgleader I did consider the possibility of buildings without halls. At least where this took place (southern California) that's actually fairly practical. I was kind of surprised when I first saw the schools here: they're pretty much groups of small buildings, with doors directly from the outdoors into each class room. I probably shouldn't have been surprised, but it was vastly different from the schools where I grew up in South Dakota.
In South Dakota, buildings were almost like space stations with a series of air locks between the hostile outdoors and any place you'd plan on (for example) taking off your coat during the winter.
 
@GregorMcGregor Also he’s actually marshall, the player character is commander. NPCs actually address you as such in the living story nowadays, it’s kinda cool. (Even if you haven’t actually finished the story on the character, but still.)
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Did you also have to climb uphill both ways on your daily hike to school?
 
@LucDanton Right
J-3 par la voie
 
Meh - intermittent 'Cannot focus a disabled or invisible window' messages have crept in. Who will rid me of this troublesome app?
 
@GregorMcGregor You don’t have to remind me :D
 
1:01 AM
@Lalaland Hardly! There wasn't a hill worthy of the name within 40 (maybe closer to 50) miles.
 
@GregorMcGregor Which Guild Hall to pick?
 
ALL OF THEM
 
I’m not shelling the 100g and however much it would take to bribe people to help me with the expedition for my personal guild :Þ
 
Lost precipice seems nicer
 
WvW missions are going to make Obsidian Sanctum silly again, apparently some are set there.
@GregorMcGregor I think it’s the one that stole the spotlight, yeah.
Would be funny if one of the missions is 'have X members of the guild complete the Obsidian Sanctum' and another is 'kill X enemies with traps in the Obsidian Sanctum'.
 
1:07 AM
I wish there was an Asura/Rata Sum looking one :(
 
Here is a true story that I have never told you guys before, it's fairly interesting, true ... and just as ironic. Many years ago, I bumped into uni friends while working in the CBD so we started to catch up for lunches frequently (we all did engineering & commerce from the same uni, me & one guy had our masters, the other two were PhD candidates).
Then we heard the thesis supervisor I worked under & our two friends were poached by an global bank's investment division for algo trading system their team were working on. Immediately, the two PhD condidates started regreting and said that they should have worked for that thesis supervisor instead. They even tried to make contact with him. Then GFC hit, that's when most of us were affected.
It was then we heard another friend who went to the valley sold his company for 10 million (or was that 30 million). A few years later, the other thesis supervisor who one of the PhD candidate was under (and regretted a few years earlier), his startup was value at something like 80 million and he was on the local newspaper frequently. Should my friend worked for him and be the first few in his startup, he could end up a lot richer :p
 
What's GFC
Gentucky Fried Chicken?
 
Global Financial Crisis?
 
wouldn't make sense in that context
 
Glorious Fortran Compiler
 
1:13 AM
That's the kind of glorious logic I expect around here.
 
what do you mean??
 
M5 is an awesome Globular Fucking Cluster.
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty To be fair, the chance of payoff from a startup is not very good.
 
user406009
The expected value of a big banking job might be much higher.
 
user406009
Especially when you are considering that non-founders usually get crap equity.
 
1:19 AM
@JerryCoffin Whoa.
 
user406009
I would personally much rather take the guaranteed shot of pay rather than play the startup lottery.
 
@Lalaland Depends whether you're extremely talented like me
 
^
 
@GregorMcGregor It's not just about talent. It's about your IQ of 163, synesthesia and absolute pitch.
 
user406009
1:25 AM
@GregorMcGregor I am afraid your bedroom talents don't really have much application in the startup world.
 
I am pretty talented in failure - look, I have worked on pricing algorithms, automated trading systems, startup & now I I am in construction & property market.
Should I ever succeed in any of the previous occupations, I would have stayed there. But life works in a strange way - I used to be jealous of all those successful people so close to me. Now I am not jealous at all - I mean the more things I get to do in this life, the less regret I would have in my death bed. After all I am an agnostic, I believe I only get to live once :p
 
@Lalaland your mom disagrees
 
@Lalaland Googling 'teledildonics startup' suggests otherwise (NSFW I guess)
 
user406009
Success is defined by each person for themselves.
 
user406009
Personally, I only want enough money to retire as quickly as possible.
 
1:27 AM
Assault your local bank
 
user406009
You don't get any good amount of money from bank robbery.
 
@Lalaland Most people don't think for themselves that much, so it's often defined as much by their friends and relatives as by themselves.
 
user406009
The tellers only hold a very limited amount of cash.
 
Someone is very good at humour
Assault your local jokes
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Well, those people are idiots.
 
1:31 AM
Bartek leave that body now
 
@JerryCoffin I don't care my friends & relatives opinions on me as much. I look at their lives, it's pretty sad to me
 
They look at your life, it's pretty sad to them. :P It's a vicious cycle. :P
 
exactly
not vicious, I don't need them, if they piss me off too much, I ex-communicate them, full stop.
 
@Lalaland I once thought so as well--but quite a few of them seem reasonably happy that way--almost certainly happier than I am in many cases. As such, even though I've no desire to emulate their example, I have difficulty faulting them for failing to emulate mine either.
 
everything is based on wants and needs, cause & effect, goals & ways to get there
 
1:34 AM
TIL telkitty is a religion
 
I am scared, I might be getting dumb :'(
and very fast
 
let me reassure you
 
I am dumb already so no need to be scared?
 
you read my mind
 
1:37 AM
<3
I am currently writing a map that stores keys separately from values
 
Cicada wanted to write one of those
 
Supposedly more cache friendly than the traditional approach
 
Can you feel the love tonight?
 
user406009
@Borgleader Gregor is Cicada. Check the logs.
 
@Borgleader She didn't get to finish because never enough time
@Lalaland What? No
 
user406009
1:39 AM
It's quite simple. Look at chat history. Which account matches Gregor's gravatar?
 
@Lalaland OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
I’m Cicada.
 
(Everyone knows Cicada alts)
Except Borgleader, apparently :P
 
lol
 
@ElimGarak Thats because he took my advice
Every time I looked at his profile
and it always had ~shhh its the sound of butthurt~
he changed it this time
 
user406009
1:41 AM
@GregorMcGregor Are you just storing pointers in the leaf nodes?
 
@Borgleader You asked to Cicada to change pictures?
Then you're just asking for it. :)
 
@Borgleader I even crafted a special SO profile!
 
@Mysticial No, I told him it'd be less easy to spot his name change if he also update his profile
or something along those lines
 
user406009
Cicada also does a poor job with using the correct timezone.
 
@Lalaland 2 sorted vectors, one for keys, one for values. Could optimize that by using one allocation with keys sorted at beginning and values sorted in reverse order at the end
 
1:43 AM
@Borgleader Then you're asking for it. :)
 
user406009
Inserts in that are going to be horrible for any size greater than around 1000.
 
it's for fast lookup not insertion
or insertion at the end
not random insertion
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor You might find boost.org/doc/libs/1_56_0/doc/html/boost/container/… useful.
 
@GregorMcGregor Girls love fast lookups with no insertion.
 
well the values are distributed exponentially around the end
 
1:46 AM
What’s the reverse order for?
 
To allocate only 1 slab and still iterate in a linear way
 
Yeah but you could put the two runs consecutively right
 
user406009
@LucDanton So you can insert items at on end with no allocations.
 
@LucDanton No
 
user406009
If you don't reverse the order, you are going to have to shift stuff over.
 
1:46 AM
Oh, with free space in the middle then?
 
@LucDanton Yes
 
user406009
No, free space at the ends.
 
user406009
std::deque.
 
k I get it
 
No, free space in the middle
 
user406009
1:47 AM
free space in the middle is stupid.
 
opinion alert
 
I thought you were compacting things with no expected insertion at all.
 
user406009
free space at the ends has many more advantages.
 
user406009
Primarily, you will never run out of free space at the ends.
 
Why would I run out of space in the middle :o
 
user406009
1:48 AM
If you keep adding items.
 
keys =>>>>>>> [free space] <<<<<<<<= values
 
user406009
[free space] <<<<<<<<= keys values =>>>>>> [free space]
 
That’s worse, unless you have a system allocator that allows you to grow either way
 
Needs more > and <
 
user406009
You can very cheaply expand that free space using std::deque.
 
user406009
1:49 AM
@LucDanton std::deque
 
That's still a node based structure
 
That’s a locality/stability trade-off, you can’t just assume it’s always worth it
 
user406009
The nodes can be quite large.
 
Besides I want in-order iteration of the keys so you'd have to swap values and keys in your design
 
Assumptions make the world worse.
 
1:52 AM
A C programmer is one who, when told not to run with scissors, responds "it should be 'don't trip with scissors.' I never trip."
@LucDanton that's a bold assumption
 
> Are these fucking meme chips ?
> Fuck this gay Earth.
 
user406009
What's a "meme chip"?
 
rust is doing quite well on the benchmarks game nowadays
note also how the CSS was completely changed
 
I consider the quote to stand on its own merit and that it doesn’t deserve context.
@GregorMcGregor oh no syntax style
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor Wow, they really ruined it.
 
2:02 AM
I got a C++ question. I went to Burger King and they said they didn't have any of those Halloween themes black whoppers, is this just my BK or did the promotion end?
 
The BK won’t be built until start of next year so I can’t help.
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor That's interesting. I wonder how they got around the cost of checking array indexing.
 
inb4 unsafe everywhere
 
probably
 
user406009
There is no unsafe in most of the examples ...
 
@sehe no sleep tonight?
 
Oh well. If you insist
 
user406009
@sehe Well, we all know that sleep is simply a waste of time. True men stay awake until they drop from exhaustion.
 
2:22 AM
> // If my maths is correct we won't ever be able to find a value which is
> // both a power of two and divisible by 48
is 23² prime
 
probably
 
2:34 AM
@sehe lol
 
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I uh
need new pants
 
@Borgleader freaks out
 
user406009
@Borgleader Meh.
 
@Lalaland GET OUT D:
 
@Lalaland shun the nonbeliever!
 
2:41 AM
 
@Borgleader awh
 
@Borgleader I want to play the new game now
 
Ok, election results have more or less stabilized, and I've watched the SW trailer. I can sleep now :)
 
2:49 AM
@Borgleader is Trump president yet?
 
user406009
@nick Wrong country.
 
user406009
Supposedly they voted out the devil himself Harper, so at least that's good.
 
Trump didn't get elected?
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor He'll have his chance.
 
user406009
2:56 AM
It would be pretty freaking hilarious if Trump gets elected though.
 
@DemCodeLines OK, I counted them. I have 4 stacked up in the second drawer down of my desk.
 
@Lalaland :(
 
It'll be huge.
3
 
@jaggedSpire ... Tittlefuckles, what a time to konk out...
 
to dept. of Education You did a bad job. Didn't you do a bad job? You know it. It was a bad job. You're fired.
 
3:01 AM
Alright, well. I guess I missed that.
 
@ThePhD I said EST
 
I'll be fine though, I'm still gonna need help AFTER the midterm disaster.
 
waiiit
 
It is 11 PM EST.
jaggedpls
 
I'm an idiot
I meant 12pm EST
 
3:03 AM
@GregorMcGregor disappointing, isn't it :/
 
to the rest of the cabinet Get out of here.
 
user406009
And then he builds the giant wall. And make Mexico pay for it.
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor You need to show your support for Trump more. And we all know the best way to show it. Trump/Palin slash fiction.
 
user406009
You better start writing.
 
TIL negative temperatures (in kelvins) are a thing
 
3:08 AM
Today's task is to build a wall. Whoever gets the most footage built wins.
 
I would win
 
DHS beats DOD because it hires undocumented workers (illegal aliens). Ok DOD, bring your departments back, someone will be fired.
DOD blames DHHS sniping it over healthcare.gov - I accept that blame-shifting. DHHS, you're fired.
 
3:29 AM
@GregorMcGregor careful, a negative temperature can't really be measured as such. Its like saying the electrical current has a real and imaginary part.
 
lol
subtle 10/10
 
@AaronHall Agh NYCDOE causes me nightmares.
 
I used to practice lucid dreaming - never have nightmares any more. Try dreaming that you're Donald Trump and they're on the Apprentice and you get to fire them all. :)
 
They're going toupée!
 
3:45 AM
@Nooble lol
 
4:03 AM
 
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel Are they celebrating the downfall of Harper over there?
 
4:39 AM
^ that face lol
 
TIL the assignment I've been slaving away on is due next week
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
# Bad variable names which should always be refused, separated by a comma
bad-names=foo,bar,baz,toto,tutu,tata
 
4:58 AM
@orlp good news?
for me this was always good news
 
@StackedCrooked theoretically, yes
however this was a 2 man project
and I was sick in class last week
so I'm almost done, and did the work for both of us :P
 
wow good job
good boy pet, pet
:P
 

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