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12:00 AM
@Borgleader :D
 
user406009
@Borgleader You need to photoshop the quote on there.
 
@Borgleader Are they going to download stuff from the PSU?
 
truly, the orange gourds are the most terrible enemies of the red panda.
 
That moment when you see your example in a CppCon talk :D
 
12:01 AM
hollywood is bad at tech
 
Why PS when it can be accomplished in MS paint? ~_~
 
> hollywod is bad
:D
 
@TonyTheLion at this point, I think it's probably a game
 
@Borgleader I don't watch such shows 'cos they make me throw things and then buy new TV's.
 
12:02 AM
@MartinJames Why bother getting wound up? Just laugh at it
 
@Borgleader If you want serious techno retardation in a tv show, check out CSI Cyber. I've watched every episode precisely because it is utter garbage. :D
 
@ElimGarak That is top of my list for avoidance.
 
user3790646
Good evening
 
user406009
Supposedly Hollywood screws up other industries just as much as they screw up computers.
 
user406009
12:04 AM
The gun handling is completely unrealistic for instance.
 
user406009
Hollywood just doesn't give a fuck.
 
Swords actually make a sort of thumping sound when they're being drawn from scabbards
 
user3790646
@jaggedSpire Are you Cicada?
 
user406009
I am sure they would put sex scenes in these shows if they were legally allowed to.
 
@Andrey ...definitely
 
user406009
12:07 AM
@Andrey @GregorMcGregor is Cicada.
 
user406009
You can verify by checking the chat history.
 
@Lalaland curses foiled again
 
@ElimGarak What. The. Fuck.
 
user406009
And comparing user ids and gravatar images.
 
^
@Andrey example though not actually thumpy it's closer to thumpy than schwing. I don't know the proper word for that sound...
 
12:16 AM
Time to go to sleep for this tired me.
 
@Morwenn Night :)
 
@Borgleader Thanks (as always) :p
 
@Morwenn night
 
@jaggedSpire misreply?
 
@Borgleader yep
 
12:17 AM
@jaggedSpire Thank you too miss reply :D
 
@Morwenn ._.'
 
Sorry, I missed you so much.
 
@Morwenn groans
 
/s/gr/m
 
@Morwenn G'night. (Oh, but first look: I actually posted a review on CodeReview). codereview.stackexchange.com/a/108340/489
 
12:20 AM
 
A spire!
It's not jagged though.
 
@Nooble if it believes in itself, one day it might be
 
@Nooble It's on its way...
 
@JerryCoffin It's been some I didn't post on actual review over there. Yours is clear, that's good.
 
@jaggedSpire At work we decided to hold a contest to recognize the best female manager. Competition for the title of "Miss Management" was unexpectedly light...
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12:21 AM
Anyway, good night too :)
 
I'm typing like I'm drunk and I haven't had alcohol in five days
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@jaggedSpire Dude! GET BEER NOW!
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin I can already hear the sexism complaints.
 
@MartinJames but I need to do things involving the oven tonight?
 
@jaggedSpire That might be the problem.
 
12:23 AM
@jaggedSpire Ah.. OK, beer later.
 
maybe I should make that kahlua mug cake
 
posted on October 21, 2015 by Adam Welch (MSFT)

As announced in an earlier blog post , Visual Studio 2015 hosts a new set of memory profiling tools to help address and fix memory issues within your applications. The new debug-time profiler runs during your debugging session and allows you to take snapshots...(read more)

 
@Feeds Modules or GTFO
 
@jaggedSpire OK, time for a mud slide.
 
@Feeds you can post new updates, but I will never forgive you for MSVC2013
 
user406009
12:24 AM
@ElimGarak I bet they are going to save the modules for the next release.
 
user406009
Gotta get that upgrade cash.
 
@Lalaland along with expression SFINAE
 
@wilx woot. I've got a version that's old boost compat (1.54 tested) and roundtrips the whole file (excl. comments and to "canonical" escapes (every non-printable or "special" char is done to octals).
 
I'm a Delphi user. I've had modules for decades. Every time I build C++ apps I am apalled by the slowness;(
 
12:26 AM
@Morwenn stop snorting coke sorting code, to bed with you :)
 
@Morwenn I actually hacked that software
 
@MartinJames When I first went to London & saw those pointing spines on the church/parliament roofs, I could not but stop myself from thinking "ouch, if someone fell from the sky on to one of those things, it's going to hurt"
 
and put pdqsort in it
 
@chmod711telkitty Maybe less if you landed on your head.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you include something of release notes/changes ?
> This release updates the HighCharts JS library and reduces some of the third-party dependencies.
ah. That coudl be all :)
 
12:32 AM
@jaggedSpire I have to admit, I cheated on this one: the "Miss Management" thing came from a book I read years ago (can't remember the name though).
 
@wilx It seems you spoke the magic words. Have fun :) github.com/sehe/termcxx
 
@JerryCoffin eh, works
 
@jaggedSpire I found it. Muddle Earth
 
@JerryCoffin thanks!
 
@wilx Created a mini-project playlist from it on LiveCoding: Mini Project: termcxx / parsing terminfo files in C++ with Boost
 
12:41 AM
@jaggedSpire For what it's worth: at least from what I remember, it's kind of fun, but not a particularly great book.
 
@JerryCoffin nods
 
user406009
I love fun books.
 
Ell
@sehe interesting project
I will investigate tomorrow
night for now :)
 
Thank you. Night all
 
user406009
Good night.
 
12:49 AM
@sehe G'night.
 
@sehe night
 
@sehe night
 
;D
 
user406009
 
12:59 AM
never understood
 
user406009
One of my professors spent the whole day walking around dressed up as Marty.
 
user406009
It was pretty funny.
 
nice
 
@GregorMcGregor I'm thinking tight = cool
 
> 3. Stylish, cool, having everything together.
 
1:05 AM
still don't get it pls explain
 
from urban dictionary
 
actually don't
 
@GregorMcGregor arent you on the bus?
 
user406009
It's slang. Tight now means cool just like how literally now means figuratively.
 
That's literally stupid.
 
user406009
1:07 AM
Don't you love how languages grow and change?
 
@Lalaland Not when it happens in stupid ways.
 
user406009
I just want non gender specific pronouns
 
user406009
That's my only request
 
When "literally" comes to mean literally the opposite of literally (with nothing good to fill the void when you really want to say "literally", that's not good.
 
user406009
It would make my life so much simpler.
 
user406009
1:09 AM
@JerryCoffin you can use "actually"
 
@Borgleader at work since 30 mins bby
 
@Lalaland We already have those. Anybody who knows correct English usage realizes that "he" and "him" are perfectly good gender-neutral pronouns. Belief to the contrary shows simple ignorance.
 
trigger
 
@Lalaland You can, but it's not really the right word at times.
 
user406009
People have literally been fired for using he and him.
 
1:12 AM
use xir
 
user406009
For interests sake, what do you guys and gals think about the relative lack of women in computer science? Do you think there is discrimination? Or is individual choice more of a factor (like other gender imbalanced fields such as nursing)?
 
Ell
Choice
 
Choice?
 
user406009
I mean there is certainly a level of discrimination out there. There are constant reports of asshole parents, teachers, and employees.
 
never heard of that in my country tbh :/
and besides it's quite general to engineering, not just CS
but I haven't seen any kind of discrimination against women
 
1:25 AM
@Lalaland The people doing said firing should literally be imprisoned for such a crime.
@Lalaland There's almost certainly some of both (but hard data to support conclusions about how much can be attributed to each factor is difficult to come by, at best).
 
user406009
Yeah, unconscious biases are hard to account for and deal with.
 
user406009
And discrimination includes all sorts of interesting ethical questions.
 
user406009
1:41 AM
Like, let's say you are trying to program a default rate predictor for a bank. Simply via statistics and correlation, there are many peices of information you can use to increase the accuracy of your predictor.
 
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who know binary, those who don't, and those who didn't expect this joke to be in base 3.
8
 
user406009
A good example would be first names.
 
user406009
You can correlate certain classes of first names with certain default rates due to class and race correlations.
 
@Lalaland Even when they're conscious, current law and social climate pretty much require that people find other justification for their actions (and sometimes those rationalizations can be quite convincing).
 
user406009
Is it ethical to discriminate on first names?
 
Ell
1:43 AM
I don't think its a question of ethics
So TypeError.
 
user406009
Everything is a question of ethics. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
 
Ell
Only conscious decisions are a question of ethics
 
I heard there are more girls than boys doing computer science in India ...
 
Ell
I guess you could say conscious discrimination is dishonesty
 
user406009
You make a conscious decision whether or not to investigate your unconscious biases.
 
1:46 AM
@Lalaland Many don't even do that. Until or unless somebody prompts them to do so, they don't make any conscious decision about it at all.
 
Ell
@Lalaland Not really
Maybe people do it once every 20 years
 
You know that thing: women talk more than men do? It's totally not true on the Internet :p
 
Ell
The only people I know that have made a choice to investigate biases are people interested in philosophy
And that number of people is 1 actually
 
@Ell I'm sure you've known (to some degree or other) at least a few other people who've made at least some attempt at doing so--even if you weren't aware of it.
 
user406009
I think it's usually more of a psychology research topic.
 
user406009
1:49 AM
@chmod711telkitty sample bias to the extreme.
 
user406009
Anyway, once someone brings the topic up, then it becomes a conscious choice.
 
user406009
And it is very easy to bring the topic up.
 
@Lalaland Not to mention essentially impossible to measure, since there's no real way to be certain of the sex of most people you talk to on the Internet.
 
@JerryCoffin im triggert
i sexually identify as sexy
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin right, sorry, that is what I meant :)
 
user406009
1:53 AM
Anyways, I think the correct ethical answer is to only discriminate on things which people have control over.
 
Ell
@lala it is not easy to get people to even consider changing thrir mind on anything IME
 
user406009
Therefore name, sex, race, etc discrimination are unethical.
 
Ell
@lala I disagree. You need to discriminate on fitness for job
Well.
 
@orlp good variation
 
Ell
We should define our terms
 
1:54 AM
Or intelligence
 
@GregorMcGregor not mine
red it on reddit
@Lalaland should we condemn psychopaths for their actions?
or should we acknowledge that they do not control the fact that they lack empathy?
 
I am oppressed everywhere on the Internet - all discrimination:p
 
user406009
@Ell What if you can better determine fitness by looking at that person's name?
 
user406009
Imagine there is some sort of correlation between the types of parents who give their kids a certain name and the type of parenting those parents provide.
 
user406009
Which in turn determines the type of person that kid turns out to be.
 
1:57 AM
@Lalaland a statistical correlation does not justify discrimination
it is a statistical fact that most crime in the USA is done by black people
 
user406009
@orlp Some would argue that any discrimination is valid as long as it increases your accuracy for what you are trying to measure.
 
that's not racist, that's simply a fact
but it's still racist/discriminatory to assume a black guy is a criminal
 
user406009
Yes, but there are ethical reasons to not use certain factors against people.
 
Ell
@lala if you can better determine by names then sure do it
 
(maybe I should say convicted crime)
 
Ell
1:59 AM
But you can't and probably never will be able to
 
October as the name indicates is the eight month of the year #mindblown
 
Ell
Its a useless question IMHO, therefore it should not be asked
 
user406009
Oh I am sure you can. It would probably be a minor effect.
 
(god knows how deep the white collar money & power crime rabbit hole goes)
 
user406009
But I am sure you could increase your predictor's accuracy with more information.
 

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