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1:00 PM
 
Yes we all know about xkcd
 
Please don't onebox big images :)
 
Please don't onebox xkcd
 
there ya go
 
1:01 PM
Or link or mention or anything
 
sorry </3
 
Xeo
having FF only across half the screen => auto-win with big oneboxes, since they're scaled smaller
 
Shut up, Cat.
4
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm sure it didn't cause a minor stroke
 
Xeo
1:01 PM
Jun 26 at 12:03, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Shut up, cat.
 
@OMGtechy Well, cat is running out of lives.
 
Xeo
dammit, too slow to search for the right "shut up" from Robot
 
@thecoshman I dont like being called iliterate eyether.
 
xkcd is garbage
gaaaarbage
 
@MartinJames I fill you meight
 
1:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus the grump is strong with you today
 
@CatPlusPlus there's probably an XKCD for that
 
extra extra grumpy cat
 
@TonyTheLion The grump is strong with many of us in UK ATM. BST>GMT time change is nearly upon us, striking fear into all DBA's :(
 
@MartinJames oh thanks for reminding me about that
 
1:08 PM
@Xeo this one has a capital C, it's much better
 
@TonyTheLion I have the scripts set up to stop the DB's and restart them after the TARDIS interval.
 
I donno whats worse, writing C or being a DBA?
 
DBA?
 
Database Administrator
 
Oh, definitely DBA then.
 
1:10 PM
@TonyTheLion Look, I was up till 06:00 ths morning to get a delivery away. I cannot be expected to come up with an answer to that ATM :)
 
@MartinJames oh :(
 
ATMs ask questions?
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Sunday for us.
McFly left. We looked at the huge fake future set that hid our bleak dystopian world. "Will it work? Will he change his future?" We faded.
 
> How much money would you like?.
 
Xeo
nice
 
1:11 PM
I don't write C often, but when I do, I pretty much reimplement the C++ features I want and then wonder why I didn't just use C++ in the first place.
 
@Xeo UK too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure: 'YOU want money?... LOL!'
 
Xeo
right
 
up
 
1:12 PM
The US is the usual odd one out.
 
YOU RUINED IT
 
@OMGtechy I use C sometimes. I use it when the sole alternative is assembler.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're the special snowflake in the world.
 
Also, the US does it at a different time for each time zone.
 
@MartinJames I actually like C, but I eventually find myself wanting some C++ feature which annoys me. Sometimes there's no choice though of course, as you seem to have found.
 
1:13 PM
Wait, that was ambiguously phrased.
 
Sounds like C++
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, I get it. I wonder how many missed connections per day there are in US?
 
The US does DST transitions as per local time, i.e., 1am of each timezone. Europe does DST transitions as per universal time, i.e., 1am GMT on every timezone.
 
@OMGtechy except you can't implement them all
Guys does anyone of you use coveralls.io ?
@Rapptz @R.m perhaps?
 
So at present the answer to "are we in DST?" is the same for all timezones in Europe at any given moment, while in the US the answer will differ between timezones for some moments.
 
1:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz indeed, but I can implement things like vtables still.
When I end up wanting templates though ... #cry
 
@OMGtechy but using them is a nightmare. You can't build abstractions in C.
 
@BartekBanachewicz code coverage is meh anyway
 
@Griwes can you elaborate?
 
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore". "Yeah, the fucking plane left half an hour ago".
 
@BartekBanachewicz Agreed
 
1:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It checks what parts were executed, but not how much of the code was verified.
We've had an outsourced component that had a requirement for 75% of code coverage in tests.
 
@Griwes True. That doesn't mean it's not helpful.
 
Yeah, 100% code coverage without any assertions is meaningless.
 
I think if code coverage is less than 100%, then you're not testing enough, but if you do get 100% code coverage, it still doesn't mean you're testing enough
it's a good sanity check I guess
 
The tests ended up being big blobs of useless code with scarcely any assertions.
@BartekBanachewicz It's extremely unhelpful.
 
If your point is that you can misuse that tool then yes I agree
 
1:18 PM
Mutation tests are saying much more, for example.
 
@OMGtechy Basically, the only meaningful code coverage values are the extremely low ones.
 
I've managed to find up bugs thanks to coverage reports at work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz A good tool should not make misuses easy; coverage does that.
 
@Griwes I'd say that was the real problem.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
1:19 PM
@Griwes I disagree on the first part.
 
Isn't code coverage meant to assess quality of the test suite?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes - but coverage didn't help finding it in any way.
 
@Griwes misuse is easy with it, although I still think it has some value ... just not as much as is often given
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One of the qualities.
 
1:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but sometimes people just see 100% coverage and misinterpret as 100% tested
#management
 
And the only reliable result it can provide is "not good enough".
 
Tests with 100% coverage might be shit, but tests with 10% coverage are definitely shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is useful to a certain extent
 
IME those can be spotted a mile away, though.
 
1:20 PM
@OMGtechy Sometimes Very often Almost always people just see X% coverage and misinterpret as X% tested.
 
@BartekBanachewicz agreed
 
1 min ago, by Griwes
@BartekBanachewicz A good tool should not make misuses easy; coverage does that.
 
@Griwes exactly my point
 
I don't value the effort put into it.
 
that wasn't that easy to spot for example ^ @Griwes @R.MartinhoFernandes
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd say the effort is really minimal.
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Griwes I disagree on the first part.
 
1:22 PM
Meh, my dog sounds like he is exploding.
 
@MartinJames ;(
 
@MartinJames wut
 
for red wine, the more aged the better, does it work on the white as well?
 
@TonyTheLion Tony, have you seen the Urban Dictionary entry for Telkitty from 2004? :D
 
@MartinJames "boom boom" instead of "woof woof"?
 
1:24 PM
@ElimGarak I did
 
Seriously, even the freaking authors of the CC tools fail at this.
 
@TonyTheLion Day after, and I'm still wow. :D
 
From the coveralls website.
 
> Heavy traffic on Olomoucká
fuck
it will take an hour to go home again
 
Why go home at all when you can work? :D
ahaha :P
 
1:25 PM
rrright...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes being devil's advocate, you can mark parts of code as ignored by cov analysis
 
why go home when you might as well chat here ;)
 
that might get you "100%"
 
I already gave you mine. It's worth more to decide for the right reasons than because someone gave you blank advice — sehe 46 secs ago
Wisdom for sale
 
@BartekBanachewicz The fact that people even consider "getting to 100%" in the first place is the problem.
Jul 4 '13 at 11:02, by Lightness Races in Orbit
> An annoying austrailian/oriental person who inhabits Continuum, has a voice that could kill the def, is idiotic beyond any human potential, and is trying to break the record for "Most people pissed off by one person."
 
1:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, that explains it, July of 2013. :D I was mostly shocked by the date (April 2004).
 
@BartekBanachewicz I like how that was "being" instead "playing"
 
@sehe oh, heh :)
 
> kill the def
 
Her voice is actually ok.
 
Well, now it is. May have changed in 11 years, tho.
 
1:30 PM
Hmm, true.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks!
 
@sbi See my first edit, though :<.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes sheepish look
 
lel
 
Gosh. They could have done it right by writing less.
 
1:32 PM
@sehe I've answered.
 
@orlp Neither could JAKE
 
@orlp why wasn't JOSIE charged for rape.
 
JAAAAAKEEE
 
CAAAAAAARLLLLLLLLLL
 
Also, lol HOOKED UP
 
1:33 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAH. Man. Wat.
 
@orlp Why the same doesn't apply to men I don't know
 
Also... Why wasn't Josie charged with RAPE as well? #JAKERAPEJUSTICE
 
Oh wow, I missed telkitty playing victim in the Tavern.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's why I pinged you to press the ban button. Jerry deleted it, tho.
 
@ElimGarak #goesviral
 
1:37 PM
also does "I consent" mean nothing when you say it after drinking?
or is it about Josie not saying "I consent"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes link
 
it's utterly nonsensical
why auto-blame the guy?
 
It's is mutual rape, also known as sex.
 
@ScarletAmaranth exactly
 
Ell
@orlp gahhhhhhhhhhhhh
RAAAAAGE
 
1:38 PM
@ElimGarak ahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz She even came here to link to it. Don't wanna reignite it.
 
Ell
@orlp pls remove
 
@Ell why?
 
Ell
it's okay
it's offscreen now :P
 
Telcat was never particularly bright as Internet records from 2004 state. And you can imagine how annoying she must be that someone would put the effort to register a "Fuck you tel" account.
 
1:40 PM
although wait "charged with rape" doesn't mean "condemned", right?
it's like, "accused"
no?
 
@AndyProwl yes
 
ok, so the poster doesn't say much
 
but there is no legal basis for charging JUST the guy as far as I know
 
@AndyProwl Well, uhm... Legally, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But society reverses that in practice.
 
1:41 PM
OK, potential explosion averted. Bailey walked.
 
the girl can charge him for rape and the judges can laugh at her
 
sure; he can also charge her with rape
 
right
 
@AndyProwl It's highly misleading, though.
 
yeah
 
1:42 PM
How often do would you use dynamic Variables in a c++ program?
 
But the day you get charged with rape is pretty much the day you get convicted, regardless of whether you get acquitted.
 
@AndyProwl I’d expect it would be a criminal matter though.
 
It's incredible how people mess up good messages like this.
 
@CMS_95 English seg fault
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
1:42 PM
@MartinJames ruff ruff
 
@CMS_95 In answer to your question though, more often than I'd like
 
Wilson v. State, 652 S.E. 2d 501, 282 Ga. 520 (2007) was a Georgia court case brought about to appeal the aggravated child molestation conviction of Genarlow Wilson (born April 8, 1986 to Juanessa Bennett and Marlow Wilson). Wilson was convicted of aggravated child molestation in 2005, after, at the age of 17, he had engaged in oral sex with a 15-year-old at a New Year's Eve party, an offense carrying a mandatory penalty of 10 years' imprisonment. At the time of his conviction, provisions for similarity in age that allowed underage consent to be taken into account were only applicable to vaginal...
that's just enraging
 
Maybe there's a market for a secured phone app that records all speech/camera to a secure server location, manned by admins and lawyers, who will record everything that happens during a date, e.g. girls lying about their age before sex.
 
lock up a 17 your old boy for 4 (!) years just to reinforce your fucked up repressed values
 
No moral issues there at all.
 
1:44 PM
@Puppy Wot, no 'motherfucker'? :)
 
@MartinJames doesn't matter in america
there is no mens rea in statutory rape
 
@OMGtechy one more question for you how do you go about getting the data back from the dynamic variable?
 
@MartinJames that's woof woof
 
if a girl LIES to you about being 18+, even shows you fake ID and everything, you're STILL guilty of rape if you have sex with her
 
@MartinJames I have about 20 motherfuckers on my phone but this lappy doesn't want to recognize them
 
1:45 PM
@orlp Well, sure, either change the law, or make is permissible to upload the evidence to YouTube at no legal risk, so making it amost impssible for the girl to ever get a date again.
 
@CMS_95 ask politely
@MartinJames that doesn't get you out of a 10 year prison sentence
 
@Puppy Yeah, I have over 70 moth.. customers on my contacts.
 
@orlp how was that not polite?
 
@CMS_95 no, you have to ask the variable politely
not us
 
@orlp lol, he was black.
 
1:46 PM
"Dear variable, may I please have your value?"
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh my bad
then it's obviously ok
lock 'em up bois
 
@orlp that third paragraph
what the fuck
 
@orlp Debugger: "fuck off"
 
sprinkle some crack
 
> Oral sex has long had a special criminal status in Georgia law; until 1998, oral sex even between husband and wife was punishable with up to 20 years in prison
dafuq?
 
@orlp oh, very funny, im dieing here
 
1:48 PM
@CMS_95 rip
 
@AndyProwl Just keep you gob shut about it.
 
@CMS_95 take a look at JUCE Variant
 
@MartinJames Can’t commit anything if you keep your gob shut.
 
> A variant class, that can be used to hold a range of primitive values.
lol no user defined types
 
it's a simple example
 
1:50 PM
@Griwes Fuck variants. They smell of COM automation and other such horrors.
 
Xeo
Variants are cool, if done right
 
@MartinJames lol
 
@CMS_95 there's also boost::variant if you want another place to look
 
@BartekBanachewicz threw you a bone
 
@Xeo Yeah, you could use them to implement PHP etc.
 
@MartinJames Bad troll
 
> RaperLib
 
@orlp 10
 
Xeo
> "Reference types in the variant are not yet supported."
you suck
 
@Griwes Please no, not ever...
 
1:51 PM
@Mr.kbok he was let go after 4 years
 
ITT @Andy is dyslexic
 
yeah man wtf y u no implement everything
 
but yeah, technically the punishment was 10
 
> yet
 
Xeo
28 secs ago, by Xeo
you suck
:P
doesn't change the verdict
 
1:52 PM
24 secs ago, by Griwes
> yet
 
> not
 
@Xeo But I have some beautiful variadic expansion there!
 
> the
 
also, he's probably a registered sex offender and a convicted criminal now, and America seemingly seems to love to dehumanize even fully reintegrated (or even innocent) people
 
@MartinJames Why? :D
 
1:53 PM
@OMGtechy That JUCE Variant does not read out like c++
 
@Xeo is that just specialization for T& to store it in ref_wrapper? @Griwes
 
@Griwes I might have to debug it.
 
holy shit reddit
this is on the frontpage
 
> until 1998, oral sex even between husband and wife was punishable with up to 20 years in prison
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laffo america
 
@BartekBanachewicz Kind of, except you need some additional template magic around the constructor template and some other places.
 
1:54 PM
I mean, the only reason that picture is interesting is if you have repressed racist views
 
I was just too lazy to figure that out.
 
> 1998
wat
 
That's not the most interesting kind of template metaprogramming, y'know.
 
@orlp Yeah. If you have sex with a girl and find out early enough that she is underage, it's best to murder her, dispose of the body and hope you get away with that.
 
@orlp Don't get it.
 
1:55 PM
@AlexM. In the US, the police had a special public morals division for quite a while.
 
USA, not even once
 
@CMS_95 ? it is C++?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there is nothing interesting about that picture, so people upvote it because "oh wow, black people can read" "oh wow a good black dad"
 
@orlp How quaint - paper books.
 
> Oral sex has long had a special criminal status in Georgia law [...]
 
1:56 PM
@ElimGarak s/li/i/
 
@CatPlusPlus laffo georgia rather
 
@Griwes Well, Georgia was just late to abolish it.
 
Cat gets starred and I don't not fair
4
NOT COOL
 
@ElimGarak Hardly US-specific.
 
@Griwes I really don't care for the difference
 
1:57 PM
> The United States Supreme Court, in 1986, originally upheld Georgia's anti-sodomy law (which covered both oral sex and anal sex) as constitutional even when applied to criminalize two consenting adults in the privacy of their bedroom
> Twelve years later, Georgia's Supreme Court would, however, find that the same law upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court was unconstitutional on state constitutional grounds, at least as applied to oral sex with persons over the age of consent
lel
 
What is interesting is that Texas police will drag kids in chains if they skip classes (criminal prosecution).
 
feel better now? :26415980
 
If federal government allows shit like that to happen at state level then they're to blame too
 
@orlp The hell.
 
1:58 PM
@Griwes Two different constitutions.
 
@OMGtechy then I must be missing a library for "var".
 
Nice to see that the US Supreme Court Judges are gainfully employed on urgent and vital matters.
 
@OMGtechy Well, yes. I reported it as a bug to Microsoft after finding out that there is a workaround.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ask yourself, would that picture be on the front page if it was a white dad with a white kid?
 
1:58 PM
what is interesting is that interference with mail delivery is a federal offense in the states
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if the answer to that question is no, it's fucked up
 
Ask yourself, why are you even reading reddit
 
@CMS_95 are you new to C++ by any chance?
 
@Griwes Spam folders are illegal?
 
@OMGtechy sorta
 
1:59 PM
@MartinJames no - stopping you from getting your spam is illegal
 
@CMS_95 so yes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's patronising (took me a while to find the right word)
 
@wilx ah good to know :) #contributingtostackoverflow
 

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