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10:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's probably not the whole quote, because he's not insulting anyone.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It seems quite insulting to GCC.
 
I use packed union structs a lot in drivers and protocols.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean he's not insulting a person.
 
@StackedCrooked I didn't say all aliasing is fine. Try that with a union
 
@EtiennedeMartel Microsoft Competition I'm trying to enter later on requires that I use some form of Microsoft technology. Using OpenGL and telling them how much I ahte DirectX is not going to make me a winner.
 
10:01 PM
@doug65536 I know gcc explicitly allows it.
 
@ThePhD Well, write an OGL render first, but try to abstract it enough. Later on you can then swap the whole thing for a D3D-based renderer.
Don't abstract the parts of the renderer. Abstract the renderer itself.
 
Happily, I have abstracted all rendering-based things of DirectX. I will be able to switch to OpenGL, although right now DirectX is kicking my ass.... stupid weeklongbugpieceofshitnonsense...
 
@ThePhD why would you ever start in a competition that involves directx -.-
 
@BartekBanachewicz For the fun of it, and because I'm not an OpenGL fan either.
Both APIs suck.
Period.
 
Use logo.
 
10:03 PM
this ^
 
I don't even know what that is.
 
I tried DirectX but I couldn't find the damn turtle so I gave up.
 
@StackedCrooked Vat.
 
@EtiennedeMartel DirectX is a graphics api.
 
No shit.
 
10:05 PM
It's a driver api, really.
 
it's a turtle joke
 
La pomme d'api est une variété de pomme dont une face est rouge vif. C'est un fruit de petite taille, aplati et de forme étoilée pentagonale. Cette pomme a donné son nom à la célèbre chanson Pomme de reinette et pomme d'api. Historique L'origine de cette variété et de son nom est longuement décrite dans le Dictionnaire de pomologie d'André Leroy en 1873. {{Bloc citation|L'ornement de nos desserts, l'Api, « Cette pomme qui veut être « mangée goulûment, sans façon, avec la peau tout entière » — écrivait avant 1688 Jean-Baptiste de La Quintinie, directeur des jardins potagers de Versa...
 
What's wrong with either of them, really? They're both cool...
 
And now you know.
 
Turtle graphics is a term in computer graphics for a method of programming vector graphics using a relative cursor (the "turtle") upon a Cartesian plane. Turtle graphics is a key feature of the Logo programming language. Overview The turtle has three attributes: # a location # an orientation # a pen, itself having attributes such as color, width, and up versus down. The turtle moves with commands that are relative to its own position, such as "move forward 10 spaces" and "turn left 90 degrees". The pen carried by the turtle can also be controlled, by enabling it, setting its color, or ...
 
10:05 PM
you know
for the first time, ever, I find myself wishing for a dynamically-typed garbage-collected language, like Python, instead of C++, to do this task.
 
@Crowz you'd have to use them
@DeadMG s/Python/Lua/. Use it. You know you want to.
 
@DeadMG Awwwww yeah.
 
@DeadMG why?
 
What task are you doing?
 
because doing it in C++ involves 9 trillion inheritance and lifetime things that I just don't give a shit about.
 
10:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I've programmed in OpenGL
 
Why dynamic typing?
 
N... not WELL, but still messed around with it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then no inheritance shitting around.
 
@Crowz well. that's cool, i guess
 
So duck typing?
 
10:07 PM
well, yes, that's actually what I meant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @MooingDuck typing.
(I'm sure no one has ever made that one)
 
Question. Should I call the Constant Buffers and related things introduced in D3D11 ShaderParameterBuffers or ShaderBuffers ?
 
since they don't hold shaders, calling them ShaderBuffers is bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use touch typing when programming.
 
I want to see a compiler that fails this code. it puts a proverbial gun to the compiler's head
 
10:09 PM
ShaderParameterNonUnionBuffers
 
@doug65536 Aren't you constantly advocating the use of UB?
 
@doug65536 GCC sometimes fails the latter.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ShaderUnionizedParameterBuffers : UBBehaviorRoulette
 
Linus complained about pretty much the same example before.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Conversion to char * is allowed, right?
 
10:10 PM
I'm not advocating anything. I would love to see a compiler not do that as expected
 
@doug65536 It seems you're about the only person here who considers some usages of UB to be acceptable.
 
@doug65536 so what are you trying to say?
 
@doug65536 Linus bitched about GCC fucking it up.
 
I personally think unions are kind've nice and useful... so long as you do not use them with 64-bit values.
32-bit and 8-bit aligned types only.
 
I am going to make some tea. Anyone wants a mug?
 
10:11 PM
@ThePhD or, just do the conversion correctly
 
@MooingDuck Shhhh. That's dangerous thinking.
 
Respecting the type system is important because it allows for some nifty optimizations. Dirty casts may cause the compiler to generate 'safe' code instead.
 
GCC also has a similar example on the manual.
 
@StackedCrooked but.... 2 bytes saved on the union!
 
@BartekBanachewicz I hope he got most out of them.
 
10:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz This is actually important when working with tiny embedded devices, like a calculator.
 
@ThePhD So your DirectX code is going to run on a calculator?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, obviously not, but it's an example. ._.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or two bytes wasted.
 
man
 
@ThePhD well then don't throw useless examples
 
10:13 PM
I managed to recover almost all of the size of the Starcraft 2 install I deleted.
 
I think that won't do.
 
but the probability that I can get a program from Blizzard to put the pieces together
is low
 
@DeadMG that doesn't sound so good, actually. It can self-fix though
 
The patcher might be able to save the rest?
Oh, nevermind.
If it's a bunch of nameless chunks you're fucked.
 
Why did you even delete it.
 
10:14 PM
+1 ^
 
@ThePhD No, I got several whole files.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I spent too much time playing.
 
"I have a terrible connection, so I'm going to delete these many gigabytes that I will want back tomorrow".
 
@DeadMG i'd suggest you start downloading right now.
 
Lol, he had to unhook himself.
 
Does C or C++ have any real utilities for making a GUI quickly?
 
Ell
10:16 PM
@DeadMG so instead you are spending time fixing? :P
 
well, in theory, I am spending more time working.
and I have indeed spent several hours working on Wide today.
 
Does hello world compile?
 
Ell
what have you been working on? lexer/parser? spec?
 
no, and no.
 
10:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. It prints "Hello world"
 
@Ell Semantic analysis.
 
Sounds expensive
Expansive, too
 
@DeadMG What does that do / is supposed to do? o-O
 
@ThePhD It says "When you wrote std::cout << "Hello, World!" you meant to call operator<<(std::cout, "Hello, World!"), and then also to resolve that operator to a function.
 
10:18 PM
@Crowz not builtin, though there are many libraries.
 
@DeadMG Oh. Sounds fun.
 
it's really not.
 
I was actually thinking about that earlier today for the lexer/parser I wanted to write...
Aww, what's not fun about it? D:
 
I think, think, that the problem is that I have tried to do too much and need to separate codegen and analysis.
 
That moment during a meeting with the sysadmin team when your wife, **after** walking past naked, asks suddenly: "is your webcam on?". Yes.
 
10:20 PM
@ThePhD The fact that I have three distinct type systems, one of which is per TU, for starters.
 
^ wait what wait
 
@sehe ... What in the jesus fuck.
 
@ThePhD I don't speak Urdu
 
There's a joke there, but it Woooshed over my head.
But, seriously.
Why did she turn on the webcam and LEAVE IT WHILE SHE WAS NAKED AT HOME?!
 
@sehe I'm sure the sysadmins were pleased.
 
10:22 PM
@ThePhD She? He
 
How DUMB can you be? Dx
 
@ThePhD You missed the joke.
 
@ThePhD he turned on the webcam \
 
@ThePhD He was home.
 
Oooh, WFH.
 
10:22 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know. I don't know what Marc's wife looks like
 
Well then he's just a dumbass.
 
@ThePhD Erm.
 
@sehe Naked.
 
@ThePhD Ok. Archived.
 
Is he still a mod?
 
10:23 PM
Employee.
@marcgravell pics or it didn't happen ; )
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's usually the part that either presents itself voluntarily to my imagination. Or, if it doesn't, that's enough information as well
 
Well, well.
 
I'm disappointed.
 
Did you screenshot that?
 
10:24 PM
that image does not appear to contain Marc Gravell's naked wife.
 
@DeadMG Extra points for quick observation
 
@DeadMG It's the sysadmin meeting.
 
and let's face it, when you attempt to provide images related to this story, one expects to find such things there.
 
41 secs ago, by Etienne de Martel
I'm disappointed.
 
user142019
 
10:25 PM
@Zoidberg I was trying really hard not to use that meme, so thanks anyway.
 
user142019
xd
 
Taking a shot in the dark here, but anyone here good @ CGI Script? :p
 
about as good as you are at finding appropriate places to ask questions
 
@AleksanderAzizi That's a shot in a black hole.
 
@EtiennedeMartel x)
 
10:26 PM
You can write CGI scripts in C++.
 
It's really easy (Or it should be), but i can't FU*KING save my printf
*It
*Should
*be
wait, f*ck
 
@Zoidberg they probably call in an extra cruiser when they pull that guy over
 
It Should be really easy, but i can't save a printf
3
That's my problem :p
 
yesterday, by thecoshman
New here? Do us a favour, and read this.
 
@AleksanderAzizi You know, that's some really lazy censorship you got there.
 
10:28 PM
Dude, you can edit messages.
 
I mean, it's not like we can't see you're using the F word.
 
I thought he meant "fusking".
 
@EtiennedeMartel I know ... How about *uck
 
Fulking?
Furking!
 
That way, i can mean Duck ;p
 
10:29 PM
fuckdiddlyshitballs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alrighty then
 
@AleksanderAzizi Stop fucking around. We're all grown ups here.
 
also, since you have demonstrated yourself to be fucking weak, we will repeatedly assault your vulnerability by eternally using the word "fuck" whenever speaking in your general fucking direction.
 
@EtiennedeMartel So am I, joust needed some help, and since I couldn't find the correct room i was thinking humor might "let me pass"...
 
How do you import something from 3ds max into a program using opengl?
Also, can it have the properties of say, a sphere in OpenGL?
 
10:31 PM
@AleksanderAzizi Nobody passes here, not even fucking Jesus.
 
@Crowz You write your own importer or take one off the web.
 
@DeadMG Buy Then :)
@DeadMG *bye
 
@AleksanderAzizi Buy anything in particular?
 
@DeadMG I'm not sure.
 
@DeadMG god i'm tired
 
10:31 PM
Jesus is pretty badass.
 
He... does walk on water and other things potentially shit-related.
 
He doesn't walk on shit.
 
ah
I can rent a hovercraft that can drive on water and shit.
 
@DeadMG You can name it "Jesus"!
 
Are you sure you want to hovercraft over shit?
 
10:32 PM
better if I didn't intend to return the hovercraft in the first place, no?
 
It would be worth it if a group of assholes was near you, though.
Then you could blow the shit in their general fucking direction.
 
yeah
cause then shit would hit the fan.
 
lol
 
Airplane. I was told to go watch that.
 
10:35 PM
Airplane! is awesome.
 
I have to see that again. It's been so long I don't even remember most of it.
 
@Zoidberg You, the one with an exquisite appreciation for fonts and typesetting[*] post that?
[*] a.k.a. apple fanboy :)
 
I think I'm doing my assert wrong...
 
user142019
@sehe ah well. //care
 
@ThePhD s/my assert/it/
 
10:38 PM
Hm.
For my language,
two slashes will indicate a comment.
three slashes will trigger documentation.
 
@ThePhD "trigger documentation"?
 
the parser will do its best to preserve three-slash comments and export them for use later, if the person so chooses.
 
> [Bla bla bla], but i can't save a printf
I think that should become a new meme
 
Got 99 problems, but a printf ain't 1?
 
See the starboard
 
10:40 PM
I can't see that far down the starboard =[
News and people count gets in the way.
 
Oh well.You'll just miss it then.
 
q_q
Curse you, not 1920 x 1080 monitor. q_q
I miss my old laptop.
1920 x 1080, power you could feel RUMBLE underneath your FINGERTIPS.
'Twas glorious.
 
butts.
 
user142019
 
user142019
fdsf
 
10:42 PM
@Zoidberg libaca. nice
 
I can't... make out what that shape is.
 
@Zoidberg (link to 4chan) I don't feel like I should click this at school
 
Why is the butt half... half-eaten?
Is that what it is?
Is something liek chewing on it?
 
user142019
@Crowz It's fine, really.
 
10:43 PM
@ThePhD Maybe... you should just leave it at "I can't"? That'd save you a lot of typing every time
 
user142019
@ThePhD it's a butt and a hand.
 
Ell
Oh yeah
 
user142019
 
Oh, now I see the shape.
That hand looks awkward, like an oven-mitt.
 
10:45 PM
> Vendredi c'est Expression Tree
lol at blog post (Maybe Monad in C#)
 
@sehe "Vendredi c'est permis"
 
> t'es un grand malade :)
 
How can I find really simple C++ on github? I wanna see how other people do these shenanigans
 
I do like reading this in French:
> Attention, parfois les instructions cast non visibles viennent d'insérer dans l'arbre d'expression. Mieux vaut utiliser un visiteur qui offre une analyse plus robuste.
l'arbre d'expression - Dutch would never translate stuff like that.
 
@sehe That "d'insérer" there should be "s'insérer".
 
10:48 PM
Yeah. I thought 'venir de' meant "just having (done something)..."
 
@Zoidberg plonk
 
@Crowz I don't think you know enough C++ to understand how people do those shenanigans.
 
Oh hey. 24 hours are up
 
@MooingDuck Probably not... looking at questions on StackOverflow always seem like they're too complicated
 
@user1690130 Oh, so you're back. I hope you've learned your lesson.
 
10:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Does it look like it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes, it was a good time out
 
Q___Q
 
i learned a lot of the p-word
 
@Crowz SO answers are usually far simpler than real code.
 
UNSIGNED INDICES WILL BE THE DEATH OF ME
 
10:49 PM
what, will they overflow rope around your neck?
 
@DeadMG -1 will.
 
@user1690130 so, no, you didn't learn your lesson. (Hint: your ban was completely 100% unrelated to perl)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Let's not discuss things early.
@MooingDuck ... bit early to conclude. Even if you (correctly) think you can conclude this, let's just continue ignoring him, shall we
 
@MooingDuck meeh... I just want to get better but C++ seems to be like, the hardest language to learn
 
@EtiennedeMartel I thought my ban was to go and study on my own!
 
10:50 PM
@ThePhD Why do you use -1 as an index?
 
@Crowz not if you have a book/cass
 
C was easier, python was easier, bash was easier, java was easier... not saying I'm great at them, but I have done SOMETHING in them.
 
@user1690130 You were banned because you harassed us.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maths.
 
@MooingDuck I did and I learned so much perl. I feel this weight taken off of me. I feel like a different person. So much less stressed.
 
10:50 PM
@ThePhD Why? Since when can indices be negative?
 
Index1 - Index2 q_q
 
Oh, you mean, bugs.
 
Bugs. Lots and lots of bufs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm an idealist.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hey, I use those.
 
10:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel If you feel I'm harassing you again, please do let me know. I hope I am not at the moment.
 
I think I'm just going to make all my signed.
At no point ever am I going to have an array where I need to access 4 billion slots.
 
What does that give you?
It won't fix the bug, will it?
 
The ability to see that it's -1 rather than 0xFFFFFFFF
 
That's one too many F's...
 
10:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ok. thought for a moment you meant any negative index is illegal. my bad
 
@doug65536 We're talking about index buffers, right?
 
@user1690130 Okay, userxxxx. Here's the deal. Just listen in and see how this lounge works for you. Don't play silly games like this. Your opening bid was perfectly clear. You're not cute, and not a good actor. So, cut the crap, see if you can fit in, but stop the mock humbleness. Thank you
 
crap I edited my msg
 
happens to me all the time
 
user142019
Hey guys.
 
10:54 PM
Yeah?
 
user142019
Can I ask you something?
 
...
 
of course not
 
Don't A2A
 
wtf you think I am, a person you can ask things of?
 
10:54 PM
@Zoidberg No, my sister will not go out with you.
 
user142019
Oh okay. I wasn't going to ask anything anyway.
 
Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting tigews
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have a sister? Is she hot?
 
I don't have a sister.
 
10:55 PM
lol
what, female robots really turn you on?
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@DeadMG Only if they're in the mood for interfacing.
 
Only when they have cooling problems
 
@CatPlusPlus Put a skill point in Jungle Run as soon as you can.
 
user142019
Robots need to be debugged before they can have sex.
 
10:56 PM
@ThePhD Sexy robots.
 
Ell
Someone: how can I make my rl more interesting?
 
Add sound effects to everything you do.
 
user142019
By burning your computer and going outside.
 
@Zoidberg So what was your question?
 
I have a quick question...
 
Ell
10:58 PM
I know that, silly
 
@ThePhD I already said I don't have a sister.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Still locked, because I constantly hunt things instead of doing missions :v
 
Ell
But what can I do outside? :P
 
user142019
3 mins ago, by Zoidberg
Oh okay. I wasn't going to ask anything anyway.
 
When in doubt, set everything on fire
 
user142019
10:58 PM
@Ell go play with other people.
 
user142019
Go to a bar.
 
AStruct* arf = new AStruct();
AStruct& barf = *arf; // <--- will this invoke `operator=` ?
 
user142019
Things I never do.
 
Ell
I'm too young for a bar
 
@ThePhD no
 
user142019
10:59 PM
@ThePhD no, of course not.
 
user142019
You initialize a reference.
 
Okay, so my code is just wonked then.
 
user142019
It invokes operator*.
 
Must be doing something wrong...
 
user142019
@ThePhD Yes: you're not following the rules.
 
10:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus Aaah. Do you use the bow?
 
Sometimes
 
I have it wrapped up in a unique_ptr, relax.
 
I find shotgun to the face be the most effective hunting method
 
You should use it more often. It's the best weapon in the game.
 
This was just a minimalist example.
 

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