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4:02 PM
Also getting off of using namespace X::X is really kicking my but.
Serious compiler withdrawal.
 
made my day
 
Those crazy Americans.
 
user142019
Goddammit C# spec y u no online.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't really get what you mean, but the problem with changing the upvoting privilege rules is that it's unfair to either all the existing posts, or unfair to all future posts. So I doubt that's gonna go through. In any case, what are you trying to solve? And what is this 10x thing?
 
user142019
Microsoft fuck you.
 
4:08 PM
@Zoidberg You should take that the hint and stop working on a C# implementation.
And then get a job. And laid. In no particular order.
 
user142019
No why.
 
@Mysticial 10xquestion score thing is the actual requirement. I don't see anything as "unfair" here. The aim is good - only the questions that really deserve high score should have it
 
is there a way to create a trampoline function in c++?
some boost lib?
@DeadMG ^^
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb what's a trampoline function?
 
LLVM.
 
4:10 PM
it is too slow for me
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't get it. So you're not allowed to upvote unless your rep is 10x the question score? I would downvote the shit out of that idea because you've blocked out the majority of the people who would vote for my top answers and the questions they are attached to.
 
i already use llvm
 
then write a trampoline generator yourself
 
but i want to create an interpreter alternative which doesn't use the llvm path. i just need two instructions in the trampoline. perhaps i can use some gcc extension?
 
user142019
Inline assembly.
 
user142019
4:11 PM
Custom code generator.
 
@Mysticial Well allowed to upvote the question. And please don't take it personally, but I suspect many people clicked at upvote just because 2568 did it before.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would still downvote the shit out of it.
 
ah i can take the address of a nested function
 
It doesn't solve anything. And it's unfair to the good question askers.
 
It solves rep inflation and mindless upvoting
 
4:13 PM
@Mysticial You should be in favour of it, it benefits you.
 
As well as being unfair to the people who answers them, because it lowers visibility of the question.
 
@Mysticial umm? Why should it? I'd say quite the opposite - the actually good questions would now have much higher score
 
@DeadMG No, I would be extremely against such a move. Part of the reason why I get upvotes on my top answers is because the questions they are attached to are also extremely upvoted - which increases their visibility.
 
and that's what we want
 
@BartekBanachewicz No it won't. It will hurt everybody
Just propose it on meta, I'll let them handle it.
I don't even need to speak.
 
4:16 PM
@Mysticial I wanted to get your opinion before posting on meta
 
Yes, I sound selfish. But I'm actually speaking for a greater audience.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm saying that I'm against it because it will hurt everyone (especially question askers). It doesn't solve anything.
 
The questions that are really, really good should get high scores anyway. However, shitty basic a= b == c won't get over 50-100 rep
 
Furthermore, it proves a massive disadvantage to all future questions.
 
user1182183
@DeadMG lol srsly I did not link it twice, prove it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So what about a good question? All the low-rep people who love it won't be able to vote.
Consider this:
With that 10x thing in place.
 
4:18 PM
I proposed taking the score from the past into consideration
 
How is it possible for ANY future question to beat the branch-predictor question?
 
Say, hour behind
@Mysticial impossible.
 
@Mysticial Except anybody browsing the site will think that your super-duper branch prediction answer is as good as those completely bland and not particularly good at all UB answers, or that silly Java answer, or anything like that.
the problem is that you have as many upvotes as those other questions, when they should get far less.
 
Furthermore, how is it possible for ANY future question to beat something like this:
2367
Q: The *right* JSON content type?

OliRight I've been messing around with JSON for some time, just pushing it out as text and it hasn't hurt anybody (I know of), but I'd like to start doing things properly. I have seen so many purported "standards" for the JSON content type: application/json application/x-javascript text/javascript...

 
4:19 PM
because somebody like me would upvote you, but not mr boolean a = x == y;.
 
@Mysticial that shouldn't have 2k+
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly. Now you've locked that question into 2nd place.
 
sigh I got the sysadmins to update GCC to 4.7.2, now when I compile and run a program, I get this. "./a.out: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by ./a.out)"
 
@Mysticial well, these are archives
 
It was too good to be true when a problem is solved in less than 24 hours.
 
4:21 PM
We can try to predict maximum score, and then scale upvotes nonlinearly too
That way we keep the low-rep people from voting, and the questions match the 2k scores
 
And the last thing is, it's unfair to question askers.
Even to good question askers.
 
why is that?
 
Question shoots up 500 points off something good in 1 day. And then it's stuck because 99% of the user base can't vote for it.
 
and that's cool.
 
In other words, I'm saying that the idea doesn't solve anything.
It hurts everybody equally.
It doesn't hurt "bad" questions more than "good" questions.
And it prevents anything in the future from challenging anything in the past.
 
4:23 PM
If you allow all of the people to vote on bad questions, JSON is what happens
 
@Mysticial WWhat teh FUCK
THAT'S JUST A SIMPLE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION QUESTION
 
a = b == c happens
 
AND IT HAS 2K POINTS
 
@ThePhD exactly
 
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT KIND OF BULLSHIT
 
4:24 PM
@ThePhD this is the problem we are talking about. so please contain yourself
 
@BartekBanachewicz And if you don't allow everybody to vote for the Branch predictor question, it would never get to where it is now.
 
Oh well I guess someone found it useful. ._.
 
@Mysticial but it would stand out of crap nevertheless
 
@BartekBanachewicz No it wouldn't have.
Suppose you applied the rule before the Branch predictor question, but after JSON.
The branch predictor question would never have been able to catch up.
 
@Mysticial That'd be ruination.
 
4:25 PM
Now what if an equally good question comes in the future?
It's impossible for it to catch JSON, even if it's better than the Branch predictor one.
 
which is why we should nerf all existing very-high-upvote questions and answers.
 
Or scale upcoming ones nonlinearly
 
Why does this sound like a MMORPG.
 
or indeed, that.
after all, upvote quantity is relative.
 
"Character wipe after the beta in 5 days."
 
4:27 PM
right
today 2k is a lot, tomorrow it can be 10k
 
There's three types of highly popular questions on SO:
1. The one-time spikes.
2. The google baits
3. General reference
The general reference ones are mostly dead now.
 
It's not easy to get 2k upvotes on any answer
 
The one-time spikes would be the stuff that gets reddited and stuff.
 
I don't understand your suggestions
It makes it seem like it's common sight
 
The branch-predictor question falls under "one-time spike".
 
4:28 PM
@Rapptz it's too easy to get a lot on shitty question
 
Then you have the "google baits".
 
@BartekBanachewicz No it isn't.
 
you just need to put a random spec quote and get upvoted!
 
Questions rarely even get upvoted
 
@Rapptz did you see the json one?
 
4:28 PM
Dude that question is old
 
Which are basic questions that attract google traffic. The votes on them reflect how useful they are rather than how good they are.
 
We are talking about now
present time
 
@Rapptz tell that to mysticial
@Mysticial so it's simple way to nerf it. Limit the possibility to vote on them by swarms of newbies
 
Right now the majority of popular questions fall into #1, because #2 has mostly been taking up in the early days.
 
The suggestion to nerf votes is stupid
 
4:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The other problem with that, though, is that you have to decide what makes a question shitty and what makes a question good. That's an arbitrary measure, and while mods and others can agree to close things with some arguing and evidence, to claim the JSON question alone is a shitty question is not really fair to the question asker or answerer.
 
@Rapptz it's nerfing ability to vote, not votes
 
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds like a bad idea. You'll get trampled by both meta and SE if you suggest to nerf google bait questions.
 
Why would you nerf the ability to vote?
I don't understand what issue you're trying to fix
 
So we are silently accepting that shitty questions get shitload of points
That's great.
 
The points don't really mean much, though it is surprising certain answers get more than others.
 
4:31 PM
long live javascript|html tags.
 
Examples?
 
But, what you do have to remember is that: people found that question useful and took the time to click the upvote button, whether you like it or not.
It's their choice to do so. Limiting voting makes SO much less "democratic".
 
I'm not accepting that it's fair the way it is. But it wouldn't be fair to limit voting like that.
 
Nothing is fair.
Just saying.
 
539
Q: Why does parseInt(1/0, 19) return 18?

ceborI've an annoying problem in JavaScript. parseInt(1 / 0, 19) 18 Why does parseInt return 18?

 
4:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That falls under #1.
That can be nerfed by changing the multicollider algorithm.
 
(hopefully)
1466
Q: Testing if something is hidden with jQuery

Philip MortonIn jQuery, suppose you have an element of some kind that you're hiding and showing, using .hide(), .show() or .toggle(). How do you test to see if that element is currently hidden or visible on the screen?

#2 ^ @Rapptz
 
what's going on?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep
 
On the first question, that's a good answer.
 
I'm just saying, no matter how unfair it is, it's not gonna be easy to nerf #2 type questions.
 
4:35 PM
Unless it's common knowledge now that 1/0 returns infinity
 
@Mysticial But do you think it is necessary?
@Rapptz the question is, nevertheless, bad.
 
I'll play devil's advocate and say yes. How many people expect 1/0 to return infinity vs throwing an exception or anything else
 
@LuchianGrigore We're deliberating what's the best way to put an end to questions that get an undeserved # of votes.
 
@Rapptz that's not the point. It's not useful at all. It's category #1 - one time spike. On the other hand, jQuery one is extremely useful, but it's also extremely basic and easy to find in docs
 
@BartekBanachewicz TBH, I actually want to separate out the #2s into a different category just for ranking purposes.
I'm not too bothered by the rep-inflation caused by them.
It only inflates the rep of a small number of lucky people who joined SO early and snagged all the commonly asked google bait questions.
 
4:37 PM
You are worse than tomalak
At least he understands the significance of historical questions
 
@Rapptz Me or Bartek?
 
Bartek
 
@Mysticial Rankings polluted by this are also sign of rep inflation
@Rapptz well, significance... right now, they would get very low score.
the site has changed
 
@Rapptz The significance of how we should eliminate them.
 
So why are you still complaining about questions that are 4 years old.
 
Ell
4:39 PM
aghh ran out of paper right when I need it >.<
 
@DeadMG eliminating old historical questions is stupid
 
why?
 
because they're google bait, they bring in visitors to the site
 
You wouldn't be able to eliminate them anyway. SE gets all their ad revenue from the #2s.
 
are you guys forgetting that SE is a company?
 
4:40 PM
I find it hard to believe that a couple of the most upvoted questions bring in all the revenue.
 
Wouldn't eliminating them create a vacuum and allow more people to just answer more google-bait questions anyhow?
 
People find these questions useful when they google for help, so it's helpful to a degree.
 
Freezing votes is possible, but that's a political issue that won't fly too well.
 
@Ell don't use paper. Except when it's toilet paper
...
banging head on politics wall is terrible
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't forget cooking wax paper, for cooking.
 
user142019
4:41 PM
Finally got a PDF of the C# specification. T_T
 
@tom_mai78101 I thought it would be for shaving. :D
 
@ThePhD Well, you COULD spice up your pizza with your beard.
 
I stopped using paper for writing a while ago
 
@tom_mai78101 I wonder if my beard is nutritious and delicious.
 
To summarize my thoughts:
1. The 10x thing is an extremely bad idea that I'm against.
2. But I'm not against the overall goal that you're trying to solve with it. (the 10x thing is just the wrong way to solve it)
 
4:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz And papyrus.
 
@ThePhD I also thought that cooking wax paper would be for shaving, or perhaps for shaving the flesh off your enemies arteries.
 
@ThePhD I'm sure it contains vitamin Ds and Ks.
 
@tom_mai78101 And dead fibrous keratin and proteins.
 
@Mysticial I trust you to the point when I am not going to post it to meta at all
 
@ThePhD Delicious meal, said no one ever.
 
4:43 PM
oh, Mysticial
I had a question I was going to ask you
 
@DeadMG Flesh might be better taken off with smoldering hot Oil.
 
Right now, there's almost no debate that stupid #1's need to be nerfed.
But nerfing #2's is not gonna fly. No matter how unfair it is.
 
do kernel mode objects/context switches carry some kind of implicit synchronization?
or is that just an operating system feature/necessity?
 
Ell
I read that
maybe it was on a so question
 
@DeadMG Um... I'm not sure actually. It context switches out. I'm not sure if the instruction implies a lock.
 
4:45 PM
0
A: Using -1 to initialize an unsigned in { } initialization of struct or array

Johannes Schaub - litbAnother way // C++03 and C++11 Ueg u = { (Ueg().ufield - 1) }; // C99 and C11 (works only inside of functions) Ueg u = { (Ueg){0}.ufield - 1 };

 
Woa, almost copied and pasted code there.
 
hmm
my Programmers rep is 19,568, and my SO rep is 75,563.
 
@DeadMG I swear, we need DLC for reps.
 
You have more rep on Programmers than I have on SO.
 
4:46 PM
need question upvote on SO
 
Would be cool if rep could be used as a currency to buy completely pointless things. Like hats.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Exactly.
 
Because what SE needs is more e-peen swinging opportunities.
 
That might get out of hand fast.
 
argh
 
4:47 PM
People would start doing ridiculous things for rep.
 
It just spiralled out-of-control.
 
I fail at semantic analysis.
 
More so than they do already.
 
@ThePhD ME SO HORNY. Want me get more horny? Give me rep.
 
@ThePhD Aren't they doing it already?
Ah, found something.
 
4:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, but more people would start doing it for no discernible reason.
Other than to get enough rep to re-spend it.
 
Being banned should cost you rep.
And downvoting should be more effective.
 
I agree with that.
half the reason I'm always free with the "Fuck you" answers is because being downvoted is irrelevant.
 
There are not enough ways to lose rep.
 
And that's why you see complete tools running around with huge rep counts.
 
4:52 PM
I don't see why there should be, as the total number increases
the best way to lose rep (relatively) is not to gain it
 
@EtiennedeMartel Dude, there's no need to call Jerry a complete tool. :P
3
 
Wait
 
Woa, he really has lots of rep.
 
fucking faggots not clicking "reload the changes in the answer"
 
yeah
 
4:55 PM
putting using namespace X inside of a function makes the using namespace only apply for the scope of that function, right?
 
Heh, this works from my phone.
 
lucky for you
it worked for shit from my phone :(
 
At airport waiting for flight to Berlin. :)
 
good luck
 
It's not ideal
 
4:56 PM
on iPad it works too
 
@TonyTheLion You going to see the robot?
 
They should make an app or sth
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't aware it was possible for wood to use a computer.
 
@borgleader yes
 
@EtiennedeMartel We also eat faggots of meat here in the UK.
 
4:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ... whatever. no please go and upvote my answer :P
 
Xeo
Flash, Y U NO TUPLE. :|
 
@Xeo Haha, Flash.
 
... You want Tuple support in AS3?
 
Flash sucks
 
You know what your Tuple support is?
 
Xeo
4:58 PM
Doesn't change that I need to write something in it.
 
array.
You can stuff anything in an array.
Flash's type system is ultra loosey-goosey, so feel free to flirt with it dangerously.
 

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