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Xeo
10:00 AM
@AndreiTita Gets me original order for libc++, interesting.
 
@melak47 Sometimes
 
Tomalak are you indian
 
@Rapptz no sir i am not ,i am from the uk ( check here), hope that can help u to solve ur problem,
 
are you saying the UK is an Indian-free Zone?
 
no but "i am english" would have ruined the cadence
also, I'm not
 
10:09 AM
dude if you google Geret'kal you get a million of your accounts
even StackOverflow for some reason
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's the thing with the "Sir"?
 
0
A: Unicode Normalization C++ Source Code Reference

rubenvbYou're in luck, because a regular at the Lounge<C++> here at SO.com has written a nearly fully complete Unicode implementation. It is meant as a full replacement of ICU, without any of its drawbacks: https://bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek/

 
Why do Indians use that all the time?
 
@Rapptz Looks like Google cached the old URL and it didn't fall off the index as it's still valid (albeit through a redirect). Kinda surprising I guess
@R.MartinhoFernandes who the fuck knows
 
10:10 AM
@rubenvb Dammit, "nearly fully complete"?
:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess it's supposed to be polite, a holdover from colonial times. But for some reason I find it offensive. I don't really know why
 
FTR, I don't have NFKC nor NFKD in.
 
I think it's because you're sort of pretending to be deferential whereas in fact you're not. You can't be
 
> And a list of what's planned for the near future:

the rest of the segmentation algorithms (UAX #29);

collation algorithm (UTS #10);
from your website
with markdown fail
 
It's not like I don't like being called 'sir'; I expect it from hotel staff and whatnot
 
10:11 AM
It isn't anywhere near complete.
 
oh
well, it has normalisation, doesn't it?
 
startrolling
 
It's not that I mind the publicity, but I do mind the misleading publicity.
@rubenvb Only the canonical forms (NFC and NFD)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I doubt the OP knows as much about unicode as you do ;-)
but I guess you should get to writing them quickly
as in: before the OP finds out I lied
 
I think it's quite curious that anyone would want NFKC.
 
10:15 AM
I wouldn't mind some KFC
 
Hmm, and if I were to implement NKFD, NKFC would come for free, since it consists of NFKD followed by the second phase of NFC.
 
followed by KFC for lunch
 
It would need testing, but the implementation probably amounts to not much more than removing an if from the code.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes *not much more <- FTFY?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes *if <- FTFY?
 
10:20 AM
Shut up.
 
Hmm.. there is a KFC in the new service-station complex on the A50, and I need diesel, and I'm hungry..
 
hmm
you're not far from me at all
still, you must be just down the road
 
I'm in Doveridge, near Uttoxeter, (until Colonel Sanders tempts me too much).
 
user142019
Hmm. I have a test tomorrow.
 
user142019
Not in the mood to go.
 
10:34 AM
yay, free donuts
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder if there are NFC implants available ATM
 
Does C++ have a juxtaposition operator? It already concatenates string literals, so maybe it's worth a formal operator?
 
@rubenvb wat? juxtaposition
 
@rubenvb No.
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Q: Overload the 'space' operator in C++?

ChrisI have a little bit of experience in C++. I know how to overload the plus sign and what not, but would like to overload the space operator. For example: MyObject obj(); result = obj - foo; // This would be treated as a normal '-' operation. result = obj-foo; // This would invoke code which t...

LOL.
Apparently Fortress allows it
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A: Overload the 'space' operator in C++?

user2023370I'd recommend a look at Guy Steele's new HPC language: Fortress. It allows the overloading of the juxtaposition operator. There's also a blog post covering this aspect here. It's not going to help you with formatting, but it's rather funky. (Haskell and ML also use juxtaposition to apply function...

Remember, string literals are concatenated by the PP, which has no concept of operators.
 
'overload the space operator' - please, for the love of God, NOOOO!
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10:51 AM
nice...
 
> Fortress is being designed from the outset to have multiple syntactic stylesheets. Source code can be rendered as ASCII text, in Unicode, or as a prettied image. This will allow for support of mathematical symbols and other symbols in the rendered output for easier reading.
^ that's nice
although reminds me of "pseudo-pascal" used at my uni -.-
It's something like LaTeX with eval() function
 
could have a musical version
 
Well, in math, juxtaposition can take a very useful meaning.
 
math, as in mathematics
 
10:55 AM
maths, as in mathematics
 
Math, as in [North American] Mathematics
 
"North American"
but the language of Stack Overflow is English
so "maths"
kthx
 
lol I bet there's more north americans on SO (not quite in this specific chat though) than UK citizens.
 
so?
"math" is retarded
you don't want to sound retarded, do you?!
 
I don't sound in here anyway.
And people can think of me what they wish in general.
The Cat thinks I'm a programming scrub. Probably kind of true, but I don't care.
but now.
Lunch
 
10:59 AM
KFC?
 
map<string, Function> globals;
table = &globals;
table->operator[]("pi") = 3.1415926535897932385;
WTF
 
Xeo
oO
Where's that from?
 
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Q: How to include user defined functions to Bjarne's Desktop Calculator?

cegprakashHere is Bjarne's Desktop Calculator working code. #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include<unistd.h> #include <iostream> #include <map> #include <sstream> #include <string> #include <cctype> #include <cmath> using namespace std; char *...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ->operator[](...) <3
 
TBH (*table)["pi"] wouldn't make this much better
 
11:05 AM
@CatPlusPlus globals["pi"] would.
 
It would be a bit better
Still bad, of course, but better
 
it's like... void* : bad, T* better
 
> Comment: Edited by mistake.
 
11:08 AM
yea
 
user142019
 
@BartekBanachewicz But the mistake was the previous edit.
 
@Rapptz I'm now going to find every one of his accounts and send a friend request :>
Anyway, this guy with operator[] reminds me of my example with O.operator++(5)
@Lightness Check out his blog
This guy has really some problems with himself
> There are lot of funs and entertainments in the real-world rather than PC games. So shut the **** up! I'm quitting WARCRAFT III!
@BartekBanachewicz It's perfectly fine code (at least that part), I don't see any problem with it. You might not be used to calling operators by their function-name, that's all. — Michael Wild 1 min ago
 
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Q: Bitfield size is not as expected, why?

MehrdadWhy does this bitfield have a size of 4? Is there any way for me to make it have size 2 (as obviously intended in the code below), or is this impossible to do cleanly? struct S { unsigned short x : 15; bool a : 1; }; int main() { return sizeof(S); }

 
if that's definition of perfectly fine code, I'm out
LOL (drzewo = tree, kurwa = fuck, more or less. Anyway, it's quite easy to get the joke)
 
11:19 AM
> No safe for work Polish translation to git commands. Vulgar, but easy…
WTF
 
I especially like "pojebalosiekurwa" which would be translated to something like "atotalfuckup"
git --fuckup
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolz yeah
@BartekBanachewicz me?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was just kidding, of course
 
I failed at cooking omelette
 
what exactly went wrong?
Error message?
 
11:21 AM
not sure
the middle cooked way faster than the outside, even though I matched the pan to the ring
I think I turned the heat up too high
 
Did you try to reproduce the problem?
 
the rings which have two size settings are on a different scale
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that Zoidberg?!
:P
@BartekBanachewicz aww
 
@BartekBanachewicz make another omelette?
 
@BartekBanachewicz heh
What the fuck is wrong with these people
 
11:24 AM
I will try to make another omelette tomororw
although I may well return to my original size
 
@DeadMG I thought that was simply tossing eggs and stuff on a frying pan.
 
not if you want it to come out looking like a well-made omelette as opposed to "Scrambled eggs that we only half-arsedly scrambled"
IME creating a decent omelette requires quite a precise heat and a skilled treatment of the part-cooked omelette
unless you have a very big frying pan relative to the number of eggs, I guess.
then it would be easy to just chuck in, cook, take out
right
I also wanted to ask you for aid w.r.t. my semantic analysis design.
I have an Expression base class, which has a Type, and that's all good.
except Identifier : Expression, and identifiers don't really have types.
 
Who the fuck compiles with -w.
 
@BartekBanachewicz to jest zabawne
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is.
in fact.. omelette... good idea.......
 
If you compile your code with -w, you suck. No excuses. Just made of pure suckage.
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11:29 AM
what's -w?
 
@TonyTheLion Inhibit all warnings.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm impressed.
 
@BartekBanachewicz why?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's in polish, yet it's correct :)
 
11:30 AM
@BartekBanachewicz you do know you're not the only pole in the world, right?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's the only one in Poland.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah yes! of course!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cat is doing great job reminding me of it.
 
my granddad's called Bartek
 
:)
LOL
guys, I am unable to post any post from my account. I didn't do anything wrong other than asking my doubt. I hate stackoverflow. — cegprakash 10 mins ago
 
11:37 AM
argggharghargharghargh I hate when they say "I have a doubt" it's not a doubt — it's a question, MOTHERFUCKER!
 
I don't know what to do about all the people tagging GL-1.5 (actually, 1.1) questions [opengl]
 
Is that wrong?
 
For fucks sake, it's like 15 years old.
Imagine someone came up and said "my C++ code compiled under gcc-2.9 isn't working"
What would you say to him?
 
@BartekBanachewicz "rofl"
 
yeah, more or less.
I just don't know how to do it... Displaying a warning message when tagging something [opengl] would be great ("if it's an uni assignment, tag it ")
 
11:44 AM
it's still
but I'd want them to also tag it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's what I said.
 
@BartekBanachewicz there you go then
 
I have nothing against double tags.
It could even be actually
I'd push it on meta, but I sincerely doubt someone will give a fuck
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are , , and tags, but no 1.x.
(Also, gasp the inconsistency)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The tag begins its existence when you use it.
 
11:46 AM
Is it possible to see the vote history of a question?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okey, that's something to start on. The worst thing that can happen : i lose meta rep. ohnoes.
 
@StackedCrooked you cannot see people's votes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure. I'm just saying that there are about a zillion questions missing that tag.
 
I don't need to see the people, just its rating over time.
 
I think. It's not the easiest GUI to parse.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my tutor.. Hah! What alternative do you suggest? — DerryHolt 1 min ago
:(
 
11:51 AM
This question just keeps getting upvotes slowly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would suggest though.
 
-4
Q: how to connect c# windows form application and HTML page?

user1983100I have a web page with HTML forms.But i want the C# user to give input using windows forms application.And the input to be passes to the webpage.Is this possible?

lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the reason being...?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit TIL. Thanks!
 
@StackedCrooked np ;)
 
11:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz That crap is called the compatibility profile.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2.0 is compatibility for 3.0 :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz What.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you want to use 2.0 functionality in 3.0, you have to create compatibility context
 
No. Only if you want the deprecated stuff.
You can write OpenGL 2.0 code that works forward (but it requires discipline, of course).
But the point is, you can apply even on questions.
(if you ask me, could also work, but I doubt that will be well received)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
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Q: Is there something that can be done about old OpenGL questions?

Bartek Banachewicz(Short) Introduction for people not familiar with OpenGL at all OpenGL was first introduced in 1998, versioned 1.1. Up to 1.5, it kept to fixed pipeline design, which was changed in 2.0. That was the biggest and the most essential change in its history. It divides the versions into "shaderless" ...

REVIEW REQ REVREQ sounds nicer ^
 
12:02 PM
You care about this too much
 
auf = on top; hören = to hear; aufhören = to stop. Great.
 
well, stop also means stop, IIRC
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not like phrasal verbs in english make sense :P
brb eat
 
@BartekBanachewicz Tautology much?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tautologies are tautological.
 
12:07 PM
Yeah, tautology also means tautology, IIRC.
 
I taut I taw a tautology
 
Xeo
Waii, lunch~
 
Good news, bad news. Bad news first - Matthew Dodd, a welder who uses our village club, was, along with other workers, trapped inside a building in Burton last night by a chlorine leak outside - the emergency services told them to stay inside. Good news - he's locked in the Bass brewery!
 
The fuck is going on here?
 
12:12 PM
@TonyTheLion No.
 
@TonyTheLion pure magic?
 
probably
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Q: Directx 11 Constant Buffer error

Miguel PWhen compiling my dx11 hlsl shader file, it fails, and after a bit of debugging, the error lies in this area: cbuffer ConstantPointBuffer { float3 dir; float pad; float3 pos; float pad; float3 att; float pad; float4 ambient; float4 diffuse; float range;...

what?
 
@TonyTheLion Who is The fuck?
Oh right, you are :P
 
ugh
removing the 'what' made it onto wiktionary?
death.
 
12:18 PM
LOL
> This tag indicates that the question is a call to arms, a cry for help, a request for assistance.
perfectly what I need
 
@BartekBanachewicz Aren't they all?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Wtf, which one is that?
 
Xeo
lol
 
12:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it says "not retaggings", bro
btw it's
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how?
 
@BartekBanachewicz [meta-tag:X]
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what does TUL mean?
 
Xeo
12:22 PM
Probably "today you learned" :P
 
lol, that could be it
 
Xeo
@Xeo, I saw this answer but I think it's logic is wrong. Move can convert NRVO into RVO, it doesn't inhibit the optimization per se. Do you have an example when move inhibits RVO, so that I can test it? — ArtemGr 2 mins ago
sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz: Congratulations on picking pretty much the one account in those results that I don't actually use
 
12:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can always go back to these results :>
 
@BartekBanachewicz ;p
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also, you should. Fb is dying compared to G+
 
@TonyTheLion fucking fuckwit lawyers
@BartekBanachewicz not really
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit k, maybe that was overstatement. Still, G+ is growing faster than Fb
 
user1182183
Anyone up for a small math challenge? xD
 
user1182183
12:31 PM
my brain isn't working properly today :$
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's hard not to be growing when your size is near-zero. By contrast, just about anyone who's ever going to use Facebook already does. "Growth" is not a good comparison metric in such cases.
 
user1182183
it seems so easy but I just can't figure it out
 
Ahoy
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually, G+ is a lot closer to Facebook's size than you think.
IIRC, it's several hundred million users- 7-8- to Facebooks 1b.
 
12:33 PM
which is... not close at all....
unless you mean the stupid fake definition of billion
 
The question is : is there as many fake accounts in G+ as in FB ?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit IOW, the definition everybody else uses.
 
there is literally nothing about G+ that entices me. it's weird.
@DeadMG only under duress
 
Are you really debating over the numeric value of a "billion" ?
 
the American definition makes more useful sense
 
Xeo
12:34 PM
Fuck the short system.
Gimme my milliard.
 
@DeadMG no, not really
@ereOn it's probably one of the most practical conversations to ever take place here
 
Xeo
Obligatory.
 
Wait so "billion" has several definitions ?! For real ?
 
Xeo
@ereOn long system vs short system.
 
12:37 PM
I'm afraid so.
 
@ereOn "Billion" has one definition, and then you have America ignoring that definition... and forcing everybody else to play along because of its economic might.
 
How is it I never heard of that before ?
oO
 
I don't trust america with anything related to numbers until they get rid of inches, yards and fiji shells
It's best to use 1E12 - no misunderstandings that way
 
Also, I would appreciate no further downvotes (for not selling my soul to find a complete anser for you and instead giving you a slight push in the right direction and a chance to improve your brain by using it) since I have had some troubles with becoming banned already today and would be happy not to have to go through that again. — Gleisner 2 mins ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you get feedback from Scott? stackoverflow.com/posts/10826907/revisions
 
12:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Is 12 in base 16 ?
 
@ereOn get lost
I never understood people having more rep on SO than MSO
 
@KonradRudolph lol, appreciate no further downvotes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why ?
 
@sehe Not for that.
 
@ereOn have you read "meta is murder"?
 
12:42 PM
I just thought that wasn't clear enough.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh. Did you start a general mail exchange, then ? :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I like the new wording
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, I haven't. I assume you mean this ?
 
@ereOn yup.
 
12:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz But haven't you just said you didn't understood people having more on SO than on MSO ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well. Ok, what would have been the better title?
 
@ereOn oh fuck. I got it the other way around, obviously
 
@sehe Dunno. It isn't easy to make a short one.
 
@BartekBanachewicz: Ok, now that makes much more sense.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes great answers
 
12:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty sure there has been some specific confusion about passing shared_ptr<T> const & even remembering a specifc Q&A session from GN2012
@R.MartinhoFernandes needs moar jquery
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This question seems dumb. "I created a problem and need to find a solution that doesn't involve removing the problem"
 
@BartekBanachewicz wrong way around?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my brain is twisting. stop that!
 
@BartekBanachewicz twiiiiiiiiiist
 
@ereOn welcome to life
> The curious pattern of pre-emptively rejecting the solution to your problem - R.Chen
 
12:51 PM
I will have to excuse you all for about 2 hours. I have to actually work a bit. see ya.
 
@ereOn I know. I was linking to the silly (now deleted) comment.
Oct 11 '12 at 21:19, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It all sounds like a self-inflicted problem. The problem with self-inflicted problems is that all solutions are dismissed because they remove the self-inflicted part.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I like how you time-box your distraction from SO chat
 
I have a technical job interview tomorrow, mainly about C++ : Could you help me to remind all the important topics that I might be asked about ?
I thought of :
Undefined behavior, template meta programming, adl, inline, v-tables, references/pointers, raii, smart-pointers, casts, sfinae
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have u seen QT's Django Unchained? ...just started watching it: what a bloody mess (in a good, Reservoir Dogs-like, sense)!
 
12:56 PM
@ereOn Rvalue reference, lambdas, variadic templates, constexpr.
 
@kfmfe04 No, not yet.
 
ODR, name mangling.
 
légèrete s'élance en orbite, quand tous les feuilles arrêtent de tomber
 
@DeadMG Good catch. I would put inline/ODR in the same topic thought
 
hmm
 
12:57 PM
@ereOn no. for the good of our industry, I would like you to fail spectacularly, if you do not know all these things without needing a reminder on the day before.
 
ODR is surely relevant to inline, but ODR covers a lot more material.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Who said I didn't know them ?
 
holy crappages, that was an embarassing misspelling.
 
@ereOn it's implied, if you need reminding
 
^ In the "strange" dpt. but somehow worth it
 
12:58 PM
You surely know a lot of words, but that doesn't mean you can instantly cite them all if you are asked too. What a dumb response.
 
@ereOn I am Tomalak. Sure I can.
 
it's ironic, but I keep forgetting "articulate".
 
user142019
Hello, friends.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Go ahead then :)
 
@DeadMG matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral matieral
 
12:59 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit légèreté?
 
@Zoidberg Who said you have friends here?
 
user142019
Yo momma.
 

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