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11:00 PM
@Ell rl = real life? Get out and do something. Get out of your comfort zone. Go into a kibutz for 3 months. Start a business. Write one poem a day and show it to someone (start a blog). Take up snooker and train 1 night a week. Help out in the grocery. Go to concerts. Start a job. Any job. Read more.
 
user142019
I still need to start a blog.
 
22 mins ago, by sehe
@ThePhD s/my assert/it/
 
user142019
I want to write it on paper and then scan. :P
 
You don't need to start anything else. You just need to finish something.
3
 
@Zoidberg on what topic?
 
11:01 PM
@Zoidberg Why not. Just need to put in some meta tags
 
user142019
Wut meta tags?
 
@user1690130 I think he can't hear you.
 
@CatPlusPlus I generally use sniper rifles for hunting.
 
@Zoidberg To make google index anything
 
@sehe that's ok
 
11:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Real men get in there and shotgun animals to teh face!
 
hi
 
Ell
@sehe I'm looking for A job at the minute. And I want to go to Norway on my own this summer :P I also don't know what a kibutz is
 
user142019
@sehe They still look at meta tags?
 
@Rapptz OHAIIIYOOO
 
@user1690130 I know. I agree. Just in case you didn't realize it
 
11:02 PM
.... Wait it's evening
@Rapptz Konbanwa <3
 
@ThePhD Not that easy to do when said animal is a fucking bear that can maul you to death in two hits.
 
@Ell Is your google down?
 
user142019
My plan was putting it in a <div> with invisible text (typing it over) and making the scanned image the background of that <div>.
 
@sehe I realize. That is why I feel less guilty about plonking him back.
 
user142019
That way it even workz with screen readers!!1
 
Ell
11:02 PM
No but I just feel conversing it is more human :L
 
@EtiennedeMartel Then you take a bigger shotgun!
 
Ell
But i will google if I must :L
 
@user1690130 Huh. I'm not sure I follow. I never feel guilty about plonking. It's just something inevitable. Hardly ever happens, though
 
@sehe oh. i thought you did not want me to plonk anybody.
 
new guy is here?
I thought he got suspended
 
11:03 PM
@Ell It's the joy of internet chat. You can weave in and out. Not so much of an attention claim
@Rapptz Well. You know, things change. Usually over time
 
I thought it'd be longer than a day. :(
 
@Rapptz i missed you too :)
 
user142019
 
Because sehe is nice and believes in redeemability.
HE HAS FAITH IN THIS FUCKED UP EARTH.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Bears have a delay :v
The only things that are hard to shotgun in the face are deers
 
11:06 PM
@DeadMG I think I got the syntax to work perfectly:
modelshader->Parameters[ "View" ] = ToShader( camera.GetView() );
modelshader->Parameters[ "Projection" ] = ToShader( camera.GetProjection() );
modelshader->Parameters[ "World" ] = ToShader( world );
 
user142019
My eyes.
 
@Zoidberg because I make my own decisions
 
user142019
@ThePhD Oh my tab.
 
user142019
@sehe :P
 
My oh, tabs~ <3
 
user142019
11:07 PM
Tabs are worthless.
 
Tabs are the cornerstone of indentation.
 
user142019
Compilers should reject programs containing tabs.
 
@ThePhD Why ToShader?
 
Unicode saids that tabs are not for indentation.
 
@DeadMG DirectX doesn't like row-major matrices.
 
11:07 PM
@ThePhD Not really. I believe in cease-fire. I believe in let's agree to just leave each other be
 
(Totally making shit up. Fuck tabs)
 
@ThePhD Why not operator=(T t) { operator=(ToShader(t)); }
 
Ell
Make it an implicit conversion?
 
EVIL
 
@DeadMG That would assume the matrix is always in row-major order.
 
user142019
11:08 PM
@Ell AAAAAAAAAAAAAa
 
Which might not be the case.
 
Oh gawd, so terrible.
 
whatever type you take in the assignment operator, you have to know what order it's in.
 
Plus, in some cases, you can tell the Shader to accept row-major shit.
 
user142019
Explicit is better than implicit.
 
11:08 PM
so fix it up if you have to.
 
@Zoidberg gUiw
 
Ell
@zoid says the Haskell fan :3
 
user142019
@Ell of course.
 
@Ell says common sense
 
Yeah, but I have no way of knowing whether a matrix is row-major or column-major when I get the reflection information out of a shader. =[
 
Ell
11:08 PM
Implicit types everywhereeee (I think?)
 
user142019
Haskell does no implicit conversions.
 
user142019
You mean type inference?
 
@ThePhD WTF, an HLSL matrix is always in the same order.
 
Ell
Inference is implicit
 
@Ell implicit types != implicit casts/conversion
 
11:09 PM
@Ell What
 
@DeadMG Nope, I think they added the ability to change how its packed.
 
Ell
Oh yeah, my bad sorry
 
user142019
I still explicitly state the type for every function.
 
@ThePhD If you can't reflect on it, then ban your users from using that ability, if it even does exist.
 
user142019
Except maybe for some very small functions in where clauses.
 
11:10 PM
> Matrix Ordering: Matrix packing order for uniform parameters is set to column-major by default. This means each column of the matrix is stored in a single constant register. On the other hand, a row-major matrix packs each row of the matrix in a single constant register. Matrix packing can be changed with the #pragmapack_matrix directive, or with the row_major or the column_major keyword.
Fucking newlines.
 
Ell
I hope that's not like fucking newborns
Or some joke with a similar punchline
 
...
 
Maybe I can reflect on it...
Let's find out!
 
Ell
Why is it quiet? :S
Oh phew. I thought the world had ended
 
It isn't. For one, you're very loud. But even ignoring you, it's not quiet
 
user142019
11:12 PM
lol Go's math library is mostly written in assembly.
 
Ell
Why lol?
 
user142019
Oh awesome.
 
user142019
Abs is implemented using &. Never thought of that and I was always wondering how to do branchless abs function. ._.
 
Why is google so terrible at finding DirectX documentation...?
 
MSDN has the only dox worth shit.
 
11:15 PM
Yeah, but searching #pragmapack HLSL hits like 0-3 results
 
you're missing a space.
 
Before google used to flood me with relevant results. Has the search algorithm for this shit changed?
 
oh for... our Java/C++ interop class has a 524280 byte buffer member that it uses to pass large xml strings around >.<
 
oh look
 
@DeadMG Apparently MSDN did too. D:
 
@ThePhD Erm.
 
It's right there, but wrong in the documentation about Per-Component Math Operations: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
Oh well. Being a C++ user I should know better than #pragma would have a space after it
Shame on me.
 
@MooingDuck random_buffer_size?
 
#define ASR_BIG_BLOCK_SIZE		524280
 
Sounds delicious.
 
11:19 PM
512*1024 = 524288
 
Everyone knows 640k are enough for all XML.
Oh, wait, that's <512k.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes almost
 
Also, @DeadMG Nope, just checked: no way to get reflection information about the packing order on a per-variable basis.
 
it's freaking absurd is what it is
 
I'll check to see if it's on like, maybe the whole-shader reflection info.
 
11:20 PM
Next up: ThePhD writes his own shader reflection.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am going to have to, soon.
Windows 8 store disallows reflection for Shaders using the D3D API.
You must save your own reflection information alongside the compiled shader.
(Even though the compiled shader has the reflection information in it? Nice one, Microsoft).
 
@Zoidberg bit fiddling always wins. But it is highly unportable
 
It's either the highest or the lowest bit.
Unless you're using some strange Middle-Endian system.
In which case, good luck.
 
I don't think anyone uses the lowest bit for that.
 
@MooingDuck we regularly get 3Mb XML responses from our SOA services. That would not be a problem, but for the fact that our services use .NET XML Serialization/Deserialization a bit too liberally and they are deployed on 32 bit servers.
Heap fragmentation -> performance trouble in GC land
 
11:26 PM
@sehe well, it's a fixed buffer so no fragmentation issues >.< Just... slow.
 
@sehe I hate XML parsing and everything related to it. =[
 
That's just healthy
 
Yeah, there's no way to figure out if the matrices are packed row-major or column-major.
 
@ThePhD s/parsing //. FTFY.
 
If I could, I would definitely have an auto-conversion abstracted away from the user.
 
11:29 PM
just ban changing the row packing convention.
 
@JerryCoffin fpdw
 
Or let the user deal with it?
I.e. user specifies row-major, user should be sending row-major stuff or UB.
 
@DeadMG I can't tell if they have, though.
 
@ThePhD But if they have, it's their fault.
not yours.
 
@sehe fucking parsing doesn't work?
 
11:32 PM
Hm...
Well, alright.
Technically, my ToShader method is already.. pretty decked out with defines, so someone could change it to do what they want...
 
@JerryCoffin 'forward 'p', delete word'
@ThePhD strange syllogism
 
@sehe Since we assume command mode, that would be norm fpdw then.
 
@sehe Looks a little like this:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "we" ? you assume "we"
 
@sehe I'm afraid Control Data Xedit wouldn't understand that one.
 
11:33 PM
@ThePhD Oh. Wait! The goggles first
 
Goggles?
 
@JerryCoffin Who cares. Wait. You're not on a terminal, right
 
Oh gawd, that's unreadable.
 
@ThePhD thank you, I'm fine
 
Oh.
Sorry. :c
 
11:34 PM
@sehe Of course, I am. Televideo 925. What else would anybody need? (Well, I do use my Tektronix 4010 now and again, for graphics).
 
ALLCAPSNOSPACESNOUNDERSCORESNOANYTHINGISCOMPLETELYUNREADABLE.
 
Hey I can read that fine. :c
 
@JerryCoffin An ECMAscript capable browser
 
@sehe Why would I want that?
 
ALLCAPSNOSPACESNOUNDERSCORESNOANYTHINGMAKESJACKADULLBOY
7
 
user142019
11:35 PM
s/ECMAscript/ECMAScript/
 
@JerryCoffin It would be pretty much impossible to chat here.
barring reverse engineering the protocol
 
@sehe I seem to be doing all right. The mighty Cyber 205 can do anything!
 
@Zoidberg Wokay. By the way: s/A /A/ - save energy
 
user142019
:P
 
user142019
s/s/S/
 
user142019
11:37 PM
Also hyphen after script.
 
user142019
Also time to sleep.
 
user142019
inb4 /daknok
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
libcaca. Of course, it's made by French people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hint, more than one thing is made by French people
@EtiennedeMartel Minitel
 
11:38 PM
@sehe Do you know what "caca" means?
 
I have known. Sadly, not anymore
> Il n’y a rien de vraiment beau que ce qui ne peut servir à rien ; tout ce qui est utile est laid ; car c’est l’expression de quelque besoin ; et ceux de l’homme sont ignobles et dégoûtants, comme sa pauvre et infirme nature. - L’endroit le plus utile d’une maison, ce sont les latrines.
 
It means "shit".
 
user142019
May 26 '12 at 0:32, by Cat Plus Plus
Haskell gives you all the tools, only better.
 
I like this license.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nice licensing terms though.
 
11:40 PM
 
user142019
 
And now you know why that is their logo.
 
@ThePhD "WTF?! Perl.NET"
@Zoidberg cough
 
imagenotfound
 
user142019
CoughDB
 
11:40 PM
@sehe It's a slowpoke.
 
@ThePhD blocked at my work
 
ROFLMAO
 
user142019
@MooingDuck wat T_T
 
A licensing site is blocked at your work.
 
@MooingDuck No way. They block sites with "fuck" in it?
 
11:41 PM
Brilliant.
 
user142019
Go work at a sane company.
 
user142019
TIME TO SLEEP BYEBYEBYE
 
EYB!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not normally, The only other "false" positive I've found is reddit
 
Here's the terms and conditions:
0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
2
 
11:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes so I assume the filter is slightly more sophisticated than that
 
@MooingDuck URLs with "WTF"
@ThePhD Enterprise Yava Beanz
 
@sehe I wonder if 'Yava' is a real type of bean.
 
Seriously, I think I'd stick to the Boost license. It has only one real change: you do what you want, but YOU CAN'T BLAME ME IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS!
 
Ell
Llava beans
 
The ItsYourHeadacheNow License
 
11:45 PM
YOU CAN BLAME ME
But it won't mean anything
 
user142019
@JerryCoffin like BSD w/o attribution?
 
user142019
GPL FTW
 
GPL is blegh.
 
@Zoidberg Yeah, pretty much (or MIT without attribution).
 
Ell
V3?
 
11:46 PM
Because if I don't open-source it IMMEDIATELY I'm fucked.
 
user142019
Genital Pubic License
 
@JerryCoffin Who was it that said that the main reason software engineering wasn't the same as other kinds of engineering was that software engineers waved any reponsibility for what their work could cause?
 
@Zoidberg GPL is a disease, invented by diseased minds, and spread by other diseased people.
 
I just don't like how GPL demands that any work - even far-derived works - must become open-source as well.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not sure who said it, but it's actually not true. Most engineers are held responsible if they don't follow "the rules". If they followed the rules and it killed thousands of people, oh well, not their problem.
 
11:48 PM
@ThePhD The GPL is ideological in nature.
 
Ell
That is an interesting observation jerry
 
@Rapptz he must criticize conversatives, right?
 
Yeah, but it means that anything that's GPL becomes completely inaccessible to anybody else at all.
 
@user1690130 Yes, but not openly. It's sarcastic.
 
11:50 PM
I have ToShader... now I need the reverse of that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel well yes, it is implied
 
To... .. unshader?
ToApp ?
To... Program?
Shit fuck I don't know.
Maybe just FromShader
 
@EtiennedeMartel the amount of amonnosity within the united states is disgusting.
 
Ell
From shader?
 
@user1690130 ...but very strongly implied -- to the point that it could hardly be more blatant if he tried (as in, I think he's trying about as hard as he knows how, all the time).
 
11:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel does canada have the same level of issues?
 
@user1690130 Of what?
 
@EtiennedeMartel bipartisanship
@EtiennedeMartel as an american i can't tell you a thing bout canadian politics. but you know much about u.s. politics?
@JerryCoffin the bipartisanship is enough already
@JerryCoffin liberals blame consevs. conservs blame liberals. it is verging towards a israel-palestinian like conflict
 
@user1690130 In practice, in Canada, two parties can hold power: the Liberals and the Conservatives. However, there are usually other parties hanging around who can shift the balance of power a bit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel but do these parties get along?
or do they HATE each other like in the u.s?
i'm not sure the repubs hate the liberals. but the liberals seem to hate the convervatives.
 
Canada as a whole has entirely different issues. For example, the US has a massive trade deficit. At least the last time I noticed, Canada had a trade surplus. Canada also leaves a lot more power in the hands of the provinces than the US does to the states (even though the US constitution tries to leave at least as much with the states).
 
Ell
11:55 PM
I don't understand either us or Canada. I barely understand UK
 
@user1690130 They used to before Stephen Harper came and injected a little bit of US style hate mongering in Canadian politics.
 
@JerryCoffin trade surplus => exports < imports ?
 
Ell
Other way round?
 
@EtiennedeMartel you called me harper yesterday
 
@ThePhD That works nice when you can overload on return type :v
 
11:56 PM
@user1690130 Opposite -- exports > imports. I.e., they're running at a net profit.
 
@CatPlusPlus You've lost me.
Well the U.S. doesn't really make much worth keeping anymore.
 
@user1690130 I didn't.
 
@JerryCoffin how are trades not even?
 
Save for - maybe - some food.
some.
 
@EtiennedeMartel i thought you did as an insult
 
11:58 PM
@ThePhD Well, ToShader is polymorphic in the argument right
So FromShader would be polymorphic in return value
 
@CatPlusPlus No it's a static free method for just matrices, actually.
Takes a matrix, gives back a matrix.
 
Ell
How can western societies compete with china for ex. When we have A minimum wage while they dont?
 
@JerryCoffin and what is being traded? like raw goods? oil?
 
@user1690130 grandiosity - makes you think everything is about you. You mean this: /cc @EtiennedeMartel
2 days ago, by Etienne de Martel
Je ne déteste personne. Sauf peut-être Stephen Harper.
 
@Ell Depends on what kind of industries you're talking about.
 
11:59 PM
@sehe oh. hhahhha
 
Anyway that kind of naming is nice when you do that is all
 
I mean, the only thing that changes when going to and from Shaders are colors and matrices.
 
You could replace most of China's workforce with robots, you know.
 
@sehe i misunderstood the french. geez.
 
Really, colors just because 4 bytes become 4 floats.
 

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