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Its commutative! Or distributive. Or something :P
No
Its latin :P (I think)
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And hey I'm not a kid anymore!
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@Ell if we could see your avatar..... we might agree
wiki: damnatio memoriam
Work, damnatio.
Damnatio memoriae is the Latin phrase literally meaning "damnation of memory" in the sense of a judgment that a person must not be remembered. It was a form of dishonor that could be passed by the Roman Senate upon traitors or others who brought discredit to the Roman State. The intent was to erase someone from history, a task somewhat easier in ancient times, when documentation was much sparser. == Overview == === Etymology === The sense of the expression damnatio memoriae and of the sanction is to cancel every trace of the person from the life of Rome, as if he had never existed, in ...
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00:02
Haha that made me lol
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@aclarke do you know my full name?
Though.
Was it ever possible?
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That is very 1984ish
Coffee is a brewed beverage prepared from the roasted or baked seeds of several species of an evergreen shrub of the genus Coffea. The two most common sources of coffee beans are the highly regarded Coffea arabica, and the "robusta" form of the hardier Coffea canephora. The latter is resistant to the coffee leaf rust (Hemileia vastatrix), but has a more bitter taste. Coffee plants are cultivated in more than 70 countries, primarily in equatorial Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa. Once ripe, coffee "berries" are picked, processed and dried to yield the seeds inside. The seeds are then roasted...
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
00:03
We can never know, because if it is possible, the end result is that we don't know.
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Yeah that's true
@Borgleader Never did quite understand how something could contain that much caffeine, and still be completely unsuitable for human consumption.
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@Ell no, only got the first from yesterday - i think...
@Ell yes, it's pretty much the historical version of making someone an unperson.
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nup - nothing on the profile. only first
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00:06
@aclarke ah okay. Was just wondering :)
Unless you were lying, I remember your last name.
So do I, I think
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@R.MartinhoFernandes permanens vitantur
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I wasn't lying :)
I wanted to make a joke but it would give your last name away.
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00:07
I think most know it. I think its a little odd when you find things out about "strangers" on the internet
@r.martinho you can give it away
I want to hear this joke :P
Harriot Potts.
I'm inspired tonight.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes mine's embedded. First, you ain't gettin'.
I'm Herr Robot Martinho Fernandes.
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I don't get it :( is Harriot Potts someone I should have heard of?
Wow, it's even more terrible than I thought.
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00:09
Haha sorry, I don't want to be that guy
But I can't see anything in there :P
Harriot Potts and the Lounge of Secrets.
Did I make it worse?
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Haha okay I see it now :P
@r.martinho I think it must have just clamped at worst joke ever, it can't get any worse
Ffs
Why do I always get Germany?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes he must have repressed...
Currently playing three games of Diplomacy, and I drew Germany in all three.
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00:13
@R.MartinhoFernandes would it be inappropriate to make an old-school joke about german diplomacy?
Wait, I'm stupid
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I was wondering why France was asking me to stay clear of the Mediterranean.
Turns out I'm Italy.
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Haha
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Q: Is accessing RAM backwards faster than BSWAP/MOVBE?

SoniEx2So I'm trying to emulate big-endian on x86(_64) and I'm wondering if ub[maxindex-index], uw[maxindex-index] and ul[maxindex-index] (see below) are faster than BSWAP/MOVBE. (which seems to be only available on Intel Atom?) I have this union: typedef union ram { uint8_t ub[16777216]; int8_t b...

^^ dat union...
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@mysticial what on earth
00:18
Actually, I'm Italy in all three. I should go home.
people who love to talk to themselves on public internet chats ...
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00:35
@Mysticial Didn't you already do one experiment with putting the RAM in backwards? Wasn't that enough?
@JerryCoffin shhh....
Oh, and let's see how long the lounge can keep secrets:
> The clock app. Setting an alarm is pointless since there is never enough memory for the alarm background process to run. The stopwatch will stop if you leave the app. arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/…
lol what an useful phone
then again, it's $35
@Mysticial Cool! (and I'm gonna guess: "Not very long at all")
00:40
Formal announce is still waiting for the guy to write up a blog.
@Mysticial Hmm...and adding things up, down to only about 2 weeks...
Not really, 2 weeks since the last time it resumed from a check point.
The wall time is in the dates.
The actual time spent computing (which excludes down time) is in the "Total Computation Time"
@Mysticial Oh--Okay.
170 days of real compute time.
The funny part is that the machine wasn't even dedicated.
@Mysticial So is this...Shigeru...umm....the same guy again?
00:52
Nope. He lives in California, but speaks Japanese.
Apparently he wants to remain anonymous, so I'll be announcing via the SN he users online.
Shigeru has plans to do 20 trillion... well...
In the meantime, I'm sitting on the sideline watching all these (rich?) people go at it and giving advice to everyone... Although this is the first time someone other than Shigeru Kondo has succeeded.
@Mysticial Plans sure...but does he have a pallet of hard drives?
speaking of california... I'm out there right now
@Mgetz What part ?
@JerryCoffin Bay Area, near the airport
@JerryCoffin He better... :) Either way, I've (very slowly) been doing optimizations to reduce the disk that it needs. But it's not gonna be spectacular.
00:57
@Mysticial Yeah--I wouldn't expect a lot (and as I recall, you've already made access patterns extremely linear, so you're not likely to gain a lot in that direction either).
@Mgetz Ah, last summer I was up there, but now I'm way south (San Diego).
> [with Self = Self; Args = {Args ...};]
Thanks GCC, that’s helpful.
@JerryCoffin Yeah. The program is within a factor of 2, of "diminishing trade-off" for memory. Where trying to cut down an additional 10% would mean increasing run-time by something ridiculous like a factor of 4.
@LucDanton New 5.0 diagnostics?
@Mysticial Given the nearly inevitable direction of RAM/HD prices (downward) the opposite (if there is such a thing available) would clearly be preferable.
The one exception to that I can see would be if you could reduce storage to the point that somebody could do something useful with SSDs (but even that's probably open to quite a bit of question). Given the amount of space involved, that doesn't seem likely any time soon in any case.
@Rapptz Nope, it happens from time to time. There are a number of cases where GCC provides less-than-helpful diagnostics that are not easy to replicate in a small testcase. I suppose that’s why they haven’t been squashed yet.
A classic is note: template argument deduction/substitution failed:. It’s supposed to be followed by an instantiation stack, but sometimes it isn’t.
…and I think I’m seeing it right now.
01:06
@JerryCoffin If price wasn't an issue and SSDs were that reliable, it could work with enough of them.
But seeing as SSDs now have a hard time of reaching 4000 write cycles - I'd need to do the math to see if a large Pi computation would reach that.
@Mysticial No reason it couldn't, at least in theory. From a practical viewpoint, price would become an issue pretty quickly. Maybe you could get an SSD vendor to sponsor a calculation to demonstrate their reliability. :-)
@Mysticial I dunno--might be worth asking a few people. If I did come up with something, how hard would it be to find a good way to put them to use?
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@JerryCoffin or banks of SSD's, switched in and out on a steam-powered rack. As an SSD is retired, it is dropped into a crusher.
@aclarke Steam powered? Serious Steampunk, I guess.
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01:14
@JerryCoffin got to make it dramatic.
@aclarke I dunno--I kinda like the "no moving parts" thing.
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@JerryCoffin hmmmmmmm. ok, hows about frying it with a high voltage blast. Would smoke still qualify as no moving parts? I'm just thinking about the marketing...
01:34
Outstanding bugs with alias/pack expansion. Wasn’t expecting that.
@aclarke I'm pretty sure if you were using them to death, and somebody was sponsoring it they'd probably want the dead parts back at the end (but with SSDs, they might already have enough dead parts for their failure analysis labs to work with, and wouldn't care).
@JerryCoffin When I read this I couldn't help but think of The Difference Engine
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@Mgetz how many digits of pi could that calculate?
@aclarke don't know
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01:49
@Mgetz let's build one. I can't see reference to it's word size...
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ooooo - "engine No. 2, finally built in 1991, could hold 8 numbers of 31 decimal digits each"
why would anyone insisting on having a private conversation on a public forum? seriously, if there are only 2 people concerned in a conversation, then there is little point of posting it on a public board ... if I am getting off a 6:58 train this Saturday to catch a ride with someone else, does the world has to know?
I am stressing out because every time I have a 'private conversation' with someone else on a public board/forum/chat, something bad happens. And that makes me extremely reluctant to have 'private conversations' on public online places, especially when everything is logged.
02:24
@chmod711telkitty Then don't. Not much more to say than that (IMO).
@Xeo Speaking of stuttering: indices_to_t.
I don't particularly like x_t
I only do it on transformation traits and enable/disable_if
to keep my sanity :/
It’s true the Standard does spell it std::make_index_sequence. But I have the accompanying function in addition to the alias.
@Rapptz ooo, I should probably use some of those flags.
02:37
@JerryCoffin well, the only other option is to take my name off the list, but that would make me look like a b!tch
Yup, release appears nowhere in the configuration I have.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is this even a paper?
ffs herb
@Rapptz It’s fine, although I’m not married to ‘forwarding references’. I see the point regarding ‘universal references’ though.
Sure. I get that. I just don't understand why he's putting it in the standard.
Making intent apparent is important.
02:47
?
re: our bikeshedding
Niebler has called typename T::type; as meta_apply
To paraphrase: the mechanisms serve the abstractions.
'tis not bad
meta_lol
meta::apply
Ye that’s fine.
02:49
@LucDanton I'm not following.
why does the standard need vocabulary for T&&?
3.2 in the paper.
I saw that
I guess in the end it doesn't matter.
Result of the wild bug hunt: return type deduction is hurting my functors. Shit.
@LucDanton I have meta::make_index_sequence and meta::index_sequence_for
As do I (under different names). Both with accompanying aliases.
02:58
Also I finally got around to doing this: github.com/Rapptz/Gears/commit/…
I'm no longer left out!
Yay, I unbroke it.
@Rapptz What the fuck!
I’m glad the paper is here to jumpstart a discussion, but I hope we can do better.
lol
I'm looking at papers
None of those rings a bell, so I assume it’s a new mailing.
03:06
this one's kinda cool
Not now, sorry :)
it's cooler than the last!
assert operator!
static_assert without the static!
8/10.
lol 'r-value reference for *this' for classes
class stuff && { ... };
at least now the name makes sense.
If you find a (genuinely) interesting paper, I can rebuild GCC with release flags to read and comment it :Þ
03:23
Let’s try a before and after.
3 min 55 ish for a full rebuild.
for my current android app, debug version seems to be a lot slower than the release version
03:42
2 min 50 with a release build.
Oh well, it’s not so bad.
damn you doxygen
03:58
break tiem
 
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Q: How long it will take to Reverse Engineer a C++ Win32 DLL with 1000 LoC

Nitin AmbupeI would like to know how difficult it is or how much time it will take to Reverse Engineer C++ Win32 DLL with 1000 LoC. With all the Reverse Engineering tools available, one can decompile the assembly and can see pseudo code or assembly code. I would like to know approx time required to reverse...

^^ lolwut
06:51
hahah
11 hours ago, by rightføld
Latest Arch Enemy album is nice.
ohhh
Arch Enemy is the band that got me into metal
@rightføld I like their last album, just wish it was still Angela doing the singing
May 24 at 20:42, by rightfold
I have no life and I can prove it mathematically.
awesome.
All great achievements start with ambition.
I have to admit, running into this randomly again, I didn't get the visual joke myself :S
So, you're officially vindicated!
@AaronKyleKilleen here we go again? You're really kind of obsessed with this, aren't you?
07:09
@Mysticial Closed now, but when I was doing RE work regularly, I could usually work out about 15 instructions per hour.
That's not a lot.
@Mysticial No--it's slow.
I guess that explains why nobody has bothered to reverse-engineer the shit that I write. Even if they're willing make death threats over it. :)
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@TonyTheLion yeah :v
Of course, the other side of it was that when I was doing it, I had to be ready to testify in court about what I found. For most other purposes, it would probably be somewhat faster (or, more accurately, slightly less slow).
07:12
@jalf I just thought I'd share something I found humorous with the room. It's also good social commentary, I think too often we take for granted the men who die in coal mines and other dangerous lines of work so that we can enjoy a first world living standard.
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@sehe I chat in Lounge<C++>. ■
@AaronKyleKilleen I'm just noticing a certain trend about the things you find humorous
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Aaron is dangerous as he's on my plonk list.
they are usually about making some kind of strawman argument to show how evil feminists are, and how poor and misunderstood men are.
@JerryCoffin what job do you have, again? o.O
07:13
I'm just saying, if that is the only "social commentary" that interests you, then you need to get out more. Maybe meet some actual real-world women
@jalf yeah - kinda obvious
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@Feeds When will interracial gay marriage be legal?
@AaronKyleKilleen They're not working in coal mines to improve our standard of living. They're working there to improve their own standard of living. From their perspective, the effect on us is mostly irrelevant.
@sehe Nowadays, or when I was doing RE regularly?
@JerryCoffin ... can I ask both?
@JerryCoffin I didn't mean to imply they were doing it as an act of charity,only that the jobs they do allow our standard of living.
@JerryCoffin in a sense they were hired so that we could run our power plants
07:17
@JerryCoffin During the GFC, Australian miners earn more & have higher job security than investment bankers
@sehe I used to do investigations about whether patents were being infringed. Nowadays I write some code, and sometimes help out with patent stuff as well (but now mostly with writing disclosures on stuff we're doing, that the attorneys will take and decide whether they should be filed as patents).
@chmod711telkitty the GFC?
@jalf "stop oppressing me" is what the caption in the image reads, are you saying that in fact they do not want men to stop oppressing them?
@JerryCoffin mmmpppf. Most of that sounds really aggravating to me :/ Then again, it's nice to hear what you do (my wife is in patenting too, she does do mostly disclosures in bio-chem)
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Hmm.
@AaronKyleKilleen come on, let's not. This can't have been the objective
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07:21
Akka's supervision capabilities are quite nice compared to Erlang's, but not being able to do blocking calls is annoying. :<
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Also fuck this terrible keyboard.
@JerryCoffin yeah, during the great financial crisis, when investment banking was at the weakest point in decades & Australia had a mining boom at the same time.
@AaronKyleKilleen please, is there a point you wish to make?
Hmmm...I think I'm off to bed. I'm way to tired to deal with even a meaningful argument about feminism, not to mention one of Aaron's.
Monicaception! Also, WTF overdub
07:38
@jalf Why'd you reply?
It was left alone up until then, almost 2 hours later.
07:52
@Rapptz because I think it's bullshit
Replying to him won't do anything.
08:06
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
Morning
Mobile chat is delicious.
I wish they provided an API to allow third-party applications.
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GILs are silly.
fuck http proxies
@AlecTeal Your downvote is unlocked now. (I'd make a good janitor) — sehe 9 secs ago
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08:23
Global Comment Lock
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@sehe I believe the one I have mentioned here repeatedly is (by Frans de Waal) about a chimp group that punishes members after they had done something that caused trouble to the group – even when they only got their hands on the wrongdoer the next day.
2 days ago, by Jerry Coffin
@CatPlusPlus "terrible game devs" sounds awfully close to completely redundant.
@JerryCoffin Indeed!
@sbi Oh, that's one subtle follow-on. (I don't recognize that one though).
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@sehe The case in question was a chimp group which would only be fed in the evening after all members had cleared their outside area and had gone inside. A newcomer that didn't know that rule didn't want to go inside, making everybody else wait for their food. They keepers knowing their apes put the newcomer in a separate enclosure during the night in order to protect it. However, he/she was beaten up by the whole group the next morning when they met him/her outside.
@TonyTheLion What about the puppy's social skills? Do you want those, too? :)
@thecoshman IIRC, that one came from Pamela Fox.
@sbi Shocker: I think Robot's forte is not C++.
I suppose that's confusing, because he's easily one of the sharpest minds in C++. But I'd say his true strength is somewhere else (perhaps in logic and analytical reasoning). I'd take that skill :)
I sometimes feel C++ is mostly a toy that really brings out these qualities. For many, actually.
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@sbi wow, monkeys are really interesting sometimes
08:38
Humans are pretty interesting monkeys
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@xxx Klonk.
@ScottW You mean it is not normal to write software that needs to run fast for a platform that has limited resources while sharing the load among way too few people on the project while having not enough time to do a proper job? Mhmm. Wouldn't that mean that I have had the wrong jobs for the last 20 years?
Well, I guess I need to make use of this day. See you!
@sbi maybe...
@sbi ITT monkeys hold grudges better than dwarfs
@xxx how did you get 36 reps with 40+ positvely rated answers?
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Nov 29 '13 at 13:58, by sehe
Yay for C++!
09:31
Peeps, y'all gun' say nuttin?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Easier with G, E and B walk into a bar ([dfa], [egb], [ace] are minor triads in the diatonic scale of C - i.e. only using naturals). Of course, now we need a major joke for that one diminished triad... :(
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
May 26 '12 at 0:13, by Radek 'daknok' Slupik
Write a compiler.
not sure if that's my idea of a "fun" time
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@R.MartinhoFernandes should enjoy this:
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> If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us by return e-mail immediately
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> This e-mail is private and confidential.
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I didn't sign anything.
@Xeo lol @(0,2) from lower right.
Actually, that whole row.
> Only the hard come in the garden
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Nur die harten komm' in' Garten.
Yeah I had figured out the play
Dutch is quite close
09:52
Impressive. I just received an e-mail from Amazon telling me my order has been shipped, and the estimated release date is yesterday.
Now the question is: how do I pick it up?
@sehe WTF is that?
user1804599
A release date is not a delivery date.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They had a viral video about "yesterday delivery" some year or 2 back
@rightføld Ooops. Yeah, that.
I meant delivery.
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@sehe Amazon Yesterday Shipping™
09:55
No, the shipping is today.
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and arrives yesterday, effectively having been shipped yesterday \o/
There's an important difference. Yesterday I could still cancel it because it was before it shipped. If it shipped yesterday I wouldn't be able to do that!
Hi! I got a pretty noob question about C++ I'm stuck with.. Yes, I just started learning it.
If you wanna help me out real quick:
@Claudio no
the main site
ask there
10:00
@Claudio we don't
I thought it first actually
a chatroom is not a Q&A site, surprisingly
yeah I figured that out.
The comments and the downvote are a proof that an elitistic, snobbish, condescending, supercilious, cynical mentality is dangerously widespreading in this network undermining its future development.
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> verbose: containing more words than necessary
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10:05
> This typedef syntax is commonly used to avoid unnecessary verbosity.
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> unnecessary verbosity
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This answer is so verbose!
@rightføld I don't see what's wrong with that.
@Xeo I'm adopting "I believe I spider" and its cousin "I think I spider". They can be very useful (each one in different situations, though).
"I think I spider" is not such a bad translation, actually.
It does convey the same idea.
"Da ist kein Weltraum links"
Fammit, I'm stuck again.
"Meine Kinder haben uns Nüsse gefahren"
WTF the first translation here: dict.leo.org/#/…
10:30
I have just noticed a patch on gcc-patches@ that says "In C++14 constexpr member functions are no longer implicitly const."
That was a fix in the standard.
How can there be a constexpr member function that is allowed to modify the instance? What is the counter-example?
Er. How is allowance related?
I thought constexprness implied that there are no side effects, thus implicit const for constexpr functions makes sense to me.
It doesn't imply that either, no.
It just means the function might be used in constant expressions. That's it.
10:36
I do not seem to be able to imagine a case where you would want a constexpr member function that would not be const.
OK.
int& get() { return i; }
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@VáclavZeman Relaxed constexpr can do some mean things.
Including mutating state and allocating memory, actually.
@Xeo It doesn't need any of that for the implicit const to be a problem.
10:41
#1 constexpr is not const. #2 constexpr is not "immutable". #3 constexpr is not "referentially transparent" (aka pure). #4 constexpr is not "compile-time". #5 fuck constexpr.
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hehe
Your dog is not online.
Xeo
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ow
Did you trap yourself again?
so one of our internal tools fails to comprehend a '>'.

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