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1:02 PM
@rightfold Don't tell that to any of the people who live there. You'd likely be shot.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit beaten to a very sad life is more likely. I'd prefer to keep the use of all my faculties, personally.
 
VBox guest additions work :toot:
 
@SamDeHaan are you still alive?
Man, it's impossible to do together that lasts more than a few minutes :(
 
loungeattentionspan.jpg
Let's brainstorm issue trackers
 
1:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus they are nice.
@CatPlusPlus discrap obviously
 
bugs.txt on a shared screen session is a better bug tracker than discourse
 
I wanted to do some work today, but :effort:
 
use BZ ffs
oh yeah shit work me too. forgot about that
 
Bugzilla is my last choice
 
1:19 PM
@rightfold But Rust doesn't suffer from the null problem and the dangling pointer problem, right?
 
@rightfold No, it's not.
 
@rightfold I can teach you German in 21 days. Do you possess a knife and time machine?
 
@FredOverflow rust suffers from oxidation
 
Have you tried Rust?
 
Why would I try Rust?
I have no need to try it
 
1:21 PM
Because it's hyped on reddit?
 
That's the worst reason to try anything
 
That's a reason to avoid it if anything
 
Because you're sick of null pointers?
Because you want to expand your horizon?
 
what reddit considers "good" is in a lot of cases at most of questionable quality
 
So reddit loves puppies?
 
1:22 PM
@TonyTheLion You sound like the Puppy now.
 
Now that Puppy has a job, someone has to take his part.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks
 
@FredOverflow or you can send me to Venus and teach me there ... 21 x 243 = ... almost 14 years
 
@chmod711telkitty I don't like the atmosphere on Venus.
@chmod711telkitty What language do you speak that you could teach me?
 
Disclaimer: I don't want to be like Puppy, and any similarities were accidental and not intended in that way.
 
1:24 PM
@FredOverflow gibberish or trollish? ~_~
 
Not interested in learning those, sorry.
 
The only thing I'd want from Puppy is his C++ skills, but then again, if I could steal someone's C++ skills I'd probably go for Robot's
5
 
because you are already very good with both? :p
 
@TonyTheLion You can have Robot, I'll take Mysticial.
 
1:26 PM
Why would anyone publish a GIF version of an image, as well as an SVG version, but the SVG is actually just a bitmap.
 
@chmod711telkitty Nah, it's just that meeting a lady to learn trolling seems like a waste of time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe your thing doesn't support SVG animation
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why would anyone decompress an MP3 to WAV? Because they hope the quality improves.
 
42 mins ago, by Loopunroller
44 mins ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
@rightfold sexist!
 
1:27 PM
@FredOverflow lol
 
Don't nest quotes
 
@CatPlusPlus It's not animated.
 
@rightfold I gotta watch Alien again sometime. But which part? 1, 2, 3, 4? I guess 1.
 
watch all of them
 
1:28 PM
@TonyTheLion I have even seen people re-encode 128kbit/s MP3s to 256kbit/s MP3s...
 
@TonyTheLion In what order? 1234? 1243? 1324? 1342? 1423? 1432? 2134? 2143? 2314? 2341? 2413? 2431? 3124? 3142? 3214? 3241? 3412? 3421? 4123? 4132? 4213? 4231? 4312? 4321?
I hope I got all of them...
 
In the normal order, ie 1234
 
@FredOverflow for everyday coding I'll take robot, for the tight loops that need serious performance then I'd preform the Eldritch ceremonies to summon the powers of Mystical
 
1, maybe 2 and the rest sucks
 
1:31 PM
watch sucky things too
 
@Mgetz You can have Mystical, and I'll take Mysticial.
@TonyTheLion I could watch a Java talk...
 
nahhhhhh
I was watching a cppcon talk
 
Which one? They keep adding new videos every day.
Have you watched the Scott Meyers talk yet?
 
@FredOverflow That was the first one I watched.
I have to watch it again now that they've changed some things, so you can what he's talking about on the slides
also, type deduction be hard
 
@TonyTheLion It was the first video of the conference. And you suggest to watch Alien 1 first. I see a pattern here.
 
1:33 PM
@TonyTheLion I think I'd get Cat's for inter-disciplinarity, but I'm afraid I'd start hating everything as a side-effect
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, did they re-upload a better version? Good to know.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, still alive. Sorry, I've gotten a new job in the last two weeks and been travelling all the weekends - I'll have a proposal up soon!
 
@TonyTheLion I wonder if that is an unavoidable emergent property of C++, or if type deduction could have beeen at least somewhat simpler in C++.
 
@AndyProwl Yea I know what you mean about the being infected by the "hate everything" attitude. I've been infected with it and I'm trying to get rid of it now. Its not that useful really.
 
@SamDeHaan Congratz on the new job. What is it?
 
1:34 PM
@FredOverflow Apparently, that's what I read somewhere
 
@TonyTheLion The best way to get away from hating everything is to stop reading language standards and start implementing useful stuff.
 
@FredOverflow software dev job for a company that does lots of enterprise monitoring system plugin stuff. Interesting work so far.
 
@SamDeHaan So you write... profilers?
 
@FredOverflow I haven't looked at or read a language standard in about a year now
 
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@FredOverflow :D
 
1:36 PM
@FredOverflow Cat doesn't read the standard.
 
@TonyTheLion Have you received your "1 year clean" badge yet? Should come in the mail anyday now
 
@FredOverflow I'm not sure if "simple" is really a property of C++ overall.
@FredOverflow I wish.
 
@FredOverflow more dashboards and code to access a bunch of different weird APIs so far
 
In all his grumpiness, at times Cat has made some very valid points.
 
@SamDeHaan Deadline is today in about 3 hours :v
 
1:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus there's a deadline?
 
orly
 
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Frisian is such a silly language.
 
well, I'll do what I can
 
@CatPlusPlus Deadline for what?
 
1:38 PM
First one made you automatically propose Robot's thing again, and now the second one is approaching to autostart the vote
 
@rightfold Is it FP or OOP?
 
@FredOverflow That game they play, Nomic
 
There should be a third one for voting but welp
 
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@FredOverflow It's like Dutch but even sillier.
 
Oh, die Friesen aus Friesland.
 
1:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus for some reason I thought that failed. Duh
 
@rightfold it's kinda nuver
 
I understand Frisisch.
 
But I voted for Robot's proposal, so that's fine too.
 
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Friesland is a great place, though.
 
You been there?
@SamDeHaan What proposal?
 
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1:39 PM
Maybe I could move to the northern region of the Netherlands.
 
The problem is that Puppy didn't like a thing in there so it'll probably be just a wasted turn
 
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@FredOverflow I have visited all 12 provinces.
 
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Friesland and Drenthe were nice most beautiful ones.
 
@rightfold Have you been to the French part of that region?
The French Friesland
 
@FredOverflow Apparently I was slower than I thought, and I re-proposed robot's proposal for parallel proposals.
 
1:40 PM
@rightfold What did you do except stare at the sea and listen to sheep? :)
 
ok out of here
 
user1804599
Overijssel is nice too.
 
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@FredOverflow I rowed.
 
@SamDeHaan Proposal for parallel proposals? What is that, some kind of meta-proposal?
 
user1804599
The water is nice and cold.
 
1:41 PM
@rightfold Don't forget the columns for a balanced workout!
 
@SamDeHaan that wasn't robots proposal... his was for allowing new people to join.
 
I need goggles pszTemps[a] = strtok( szTemp, ":;,-");
so ugly
 
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@FredOverflow Have you ever been to the Netherlands?
 
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@TonyTheLion rewrite it.
 
1:41 PM
@rightfold Yes. Or was it Holland? One of those. Amsterdam.
 
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@CatPlusPlus What is Funtoo? Gentoo with funroll loops?
 
@rightfold C++ is not that great for string processing. Oh wait, it has regex now!
 
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@FredOverflow Noord-Holland is a province in the Netherlands, silly.
 
Gentoo with some better defaults
 
@thecoshman my memory has a fault, I think
 
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1:43 PM
@FredOverflow Embed Perl.
 
@rightfold Anyway, it's been a couple of years since I've been there. And I didn't do drugs or hookers.
 
user1804599
Did you do blackjack?
 
No gambling either. Do they even have casinos?
 
@CatPlusPlus that's sort of what I was getting at, whilst I think there is a deadline by which voting will automatically start on an automatically selected proposal, it's stupid, as you still have to wait for that person to cast a vote any way. You may as well (except the rules don't allow it) just wait for them to propose what they want to propose, or properly handle players being absent.
 
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@FredOverflow Walking through some parts of Amsterdam at night implies gambling. The stake is your wallet and your life.
 
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@thecoshman We intend to add a deadline for that as well.
 
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Holland Casino has legal monopoly on gambling.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but really you need to just have a proposal that deals with what to do with absent players. It would have been one of the first proposals.
 
In a year or so when we finally get to the second circuit
 
@thecoshman That was Cat's proposal.
(The one you voted in favour, btw)
 
1:47 PM
I had a deadline but you told me to remove it vOv
 
Yeah, that too.
So it might be time to stop being annoying.
 
FWIW, at the time Jefffrey wanted a positive default, and I wanted a negative default. We would need an agreement on that as well.
You can't just drop a deadline and then break the game immediately.
 
Positive default is silly :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it was a good proposal, so I voted for it, but it didn't cover all that was required to deal with it.
@CatPlusPlus you had a deadline, but nothing about what happens when it's reach. Just like the rule saying players must follow rules... what if they don't?
 
1:50 PM
Then should've figured out what happens when it's reached then :v
 
@thecoshman Actually, he didn't have a deadline for voting. We had to convince you to read it to see that there wasn't one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my proposal would include a void default.
 
Well, glad you dropped out then.
 
There's no such thing as void vote
That'd need separate proposal and also amend of scoring
Probably
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had a [24h, 48h] bound on the voting period in the first rev
 
@CatPlusPlus And make sure it actually differs from a negative one without breaking anything.
Specifically, immutable text like "unanimous among eligible voters" is hard to defeat.
 
1:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus not really, I think I covered it all via the one proposal. Though it was fairly big. I did have a separate one, that I probably would have gone for first, that just allows players to 'not vote'
 
@thecoshman That 'not voting' thing is the contention point that would probably need a lot of work to add!
Why bash can't find things when I have stripped away PATH I don't know let's check everything but environment
 
@CatPlusPlus I was going to have go for a simple thing along the lines of, you can choose not to vote, and thus a unanimous vote can be had without you. It would be an optional thing that players can do.
 
@thecoshman Which would make the whole thing void. Congrats.
@thecoshman Yes, all text in such a proposal would be void.
 
@thecoshman There are other rules that state that players MUST vote
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean? AFAIK a rule can explicitly explain how it interacts with other rules that would make it void.
 
1:57 PM
And they have precedence
 
@thecoshman It can't be by adding clauses to ignore the ones that make it void.
 
@CatPlusPlus unless a later rule explicitly addresses it
 
No? You can't override rules by creating new rules, you have to amend the earlier ones
 
meh
 
1:59 PM
And the rule in question is immutable, too
 
if I ever play the game again, I'll take the time to work it out properly.
 
> 105. Every player is an eligible voter. Every eligible voter must participate in every vote on rule-changes.
 
@CatPlusPlus Exactly, which is why everything would be void, including the exception and any non-conflicting stuff.
 
> 110. In a conflict between a mutable and an immutable rule, the immutable rule takes precedence and the mutable rule shall be entirely void. For the purposes of this rule a proposal to transmute an immutable rule does not "conflict" with that immutable rule.
^ that explicitly voids the new one
And even if it didn't
> 211. If two or more mutable rules conflict with one another, or if two or more immutable rules conflict with one another, then the rule with the lowest ordinal number takes precedence.
 
@CatPlusPlus I wrote up the wording such that you still participate, but do say by casting a neutral vote. or something like that.
 
2:00 PM
There are also immutable rules with "only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters" which you can't fix without making people non-eligible voters. Which you can't.
 
But what is neutral vote
 
@thecoshman Yes, and a neutral vote is not in favour, so it's still a negative when unanimity is required.
The only difference is that it comes in black.
 
There was no consensus on the default vote, so we'd still be without any deadlines probably
But any new type of vote needs more groundwork first
 
It needs transmuting stuff first.
 
Which is currently 3 unanimous votes
Transmute, amend and then propose the new one
I.e. about 6 months at current pace
 
2:05 PM
Anyone want to fix the wording on Robot's proposal so puppy will vote for?
 
Just like real politics!
 
My brain is struggling to fix it right now
 
> When a player completes his turn while being the last in turn order, a "full circuit of turns" is then complete.
No "at that time" to confuse him.
No stray comma either.
 
Okay, is posted.
I put the start of voting as... quite soon. If I did my math right for timezones.
if not, I'm a failure once again
 
Always include the timezone
The autovoting deadline is 18:43 CEST 16:43 UTC
 
2:11 PM
Okay. put the voting starts at 16:30 UTC
 
Thanks discourse for displaying only relative approximate dates that's very useful for us
 
if anyone has any feedback, give it quick so I can modify because I will be disappearing again shortly
 
@CatPlusPlus Shows exact dates on tooltip.
 
Yeah I know
Inconvenient
Speaking of default votes, we should make a default 'for' vote for the OP because I doubt anyone will want to vote against their own thing
 
@CatPlusPlus isn't it from when he posts it?
 
2:13 PM
@thecoshman He posted it automatically when the previous deadline expired
Which was 2 days ago
 
@CatPlusPlus unless I can get more points by voting against but still letting it pass :P
 
@CatPlusPlus but then posted an edit, thus the clock should be reset, no?
 
No
Explicitly from first revision
 
have you left reasonable time to discus it?
 
@SamDeHaan Which I'm fine with getting rid of.
@thecoshman Yes, almost three days.
 
2:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, definietly.
 
Shut up, cosh.
 
> Proposal voting period may begin no sooner than 24 hours, and shall begin not later than 48 hours, after the first revision of the proposal is posted for consideration
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry, I'll stop pointing out the floors in rules voted in.
 
@thecoshman Actually, way more than reasonable time, since the proposal was already discussed heavily before it was made the first, and then for more three days when it was proposed the first time.
@thecoshman There's no flaw here vOv
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well in this case I guess. But sam didn't have to post that same proposal, he could have posted what ever he wanted, as voting had not auto-commenced.
 
2:16 PM
And we'd all vote against.
Great, ain't it?
You still can't be a dick.
No one holds enough power to do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why? he could have come back just in the nick of time (as he did) and posted a good proposal that he wanted to propose.
 
I'd vote against just for that reason.
 
Then we'd vote on whatever's been posted
If it was something that'd require discussion, it would be unlikely to pass
 
just so happens he's being lazy and copying your proposal.
 
There's enough grace period for discussions
 
2:18 PM
@thecoshman efficient!
 
That's the initial 24h before voting can start
 
If you completely change your proposal a short period before voting, you're unlikely to have it passed. I don't see a problem.
 
hmm
 
And if you treat other players like idiots then you're unlikely to have anything passed after that either :v
 
anyone have experience implementing a custom codecvt?
 
2:19 PM
It's in your best interest to get proposal up before the auto deadline
 
@CatPlusPlus Exactly.
It's a "problem" that solves itself naturally.
 
The deadlines getting fired should be an uncommon occurrence when the player in question is really busy
We can always fine-tune them as the game goes on
 
Even when we switch to majority voting, if the majority of players wants to pass a proposal that was posted five seconds before the deadline, well, that's what the majority wants, so where's the problem?
There is a problem if we instate default votes that are anything other than negative, though.
 
I see no problem in default yes for the OP, but everyone else should default to no
 
2:23 PM
oh boy oh boy another discourse upgrade in the queue
 
@CatPlusPlus what new <strike>bugs</strike> features will we get?!
 
GitHub could use a butan to compare release to a previous one
@SamDeHaan More SQL stored in database!
Or maybe rubby code this time!
In true PHP fashion
 
well, if you are playing majority voting, you don't need to wait for all player, if those who voted have already decided which way... well, scores...
 
Bah. Markdown.
 
@$@@$query = query("select query from queries where name = 'rubby'")
@@!@$$$$rubby = query(@$@@$query)
eval(@@!@$$$$rubby)
@SamDeHaan Needs a whitespace between the tokens
Because Markdown is user friendly and human readable and so much better than XML!!!!!!!!
Not <strike>, ---
 
2:25 PM
doh
Too late.
yus, murkdown is best
 
> Trigger the browser's password manager using the hidden static login form:
WEBDEV
This JS hugbox snackcourse runs in is not very good
ahhahahaha
Robot, something for you
> after deleting a user, don't show a popup saying you deleted the user…
>
> …. jeff hates that.
HOLY SHIT
'robust'
Fuck murkdown and this nonsense aaaa
hahaha I clicked on system private message and it didn't mark it as read
good job
In other news, my preseed template seems to be working, kernel compiled fine
boop beep boop
 
2:42 PM
beep boop
 
2:53 PM
If I understand correctly, French law does not let you cross the Pas de Calais by bathtub, but English law does. That explains why people try to cross it by bathtub start from England.
 
Pas de Calais? The short stretch between Dover and Calais?
What I'd know as the British Channel?
 
No.
You might know it as the Strait of Dover.
It's the westernmost end of the English Channel.
 
ooh, just that tiny bit
Eastern surely?
I do enjoy all these odd laws that exist.
 
Oh, right.
How did I mess that up.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes also... wouldn't that law still come into effect once you enter the French side? or is the law quite precise in it forbidding leaving Calais via bathtub?
 
3:00 PM
@thecoshman No one in their sane mind would cross the English Channel by bathtub.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have the directional instincts of a brick.
@R.MartinhoFernandes calm waters... couple of strong oarsmen... bit of supervision from real boats... I'd say you could do it
 
@thecoshman Sorry, I'm not an expert in bathtub navigation laws ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why were you even reading French laws?
 
Do I need a why?
:S
 
3:03 PM
allow me to re-phrase that, what was the chain of wikipedia pages that lead you french law?
 
I dunno where the original one came from (it's a months old chain), but it was a small offshoot of my exploration of Danish geography.
 
lol
learn to close tabs man! for your own sanity!
 
If you know where to look you can see traces of it strewn all over the transcript.
 
==> virtualbox-iso: Exporting virtual machine...
    virtualbox-iso: Executing: export funtoo-preseed --output box\funtoo-preseed\funtoo-preseed.ovf
==> virtualbox-iso: Unregistering and deleting virtual machine...
Build 'virtualbox-iso' finished.
Success!
 
3:17 PM
Now part 2
 
3:38 PM
Why are the fonts so stupdly variable on Android FF?
Coshhy's post is rendered 'HUGE'.
 
it's important see.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry to say, but your posts are in bloat-font too.
 
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3:54 PM
Autumn is great.
 
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> Thakns
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "waht", you mean.
 
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4:08 PM
Hungry notation.
 
Xeo
4:37 PM
apropos, I'm hungry. Damn
 
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// Hungry notation:
int xeoWindowWidth = 640;
int xeoWindowHeight = 480;
auto xeoWindowHandler = CreateWindow(xeoWindowWidth, xeoWindowHeight);
 
shit i'm hungry too
waited to late to go out
@HDE226868 I'm starting to wonder how much money I could gather on kickstarter to launch a device that could handle the job. Would a cost estimate be a legitimate question on this site? — Tom 2 hours ago
 
Xeo
5:03 PM
Hm. Anybody got a link to that Perl quantum thingamabob talk?
 
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That is a completely different example. It doesn't have higher-kinded types in it. It's like comparing { val x = 1; { val x = 2 } } and { val x = 1; val x = 2 }. — rightfold 1 min ago
 
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Sometimes I wonder if Stack Overflow users are drunk.
 
pub time bai
 
Xeo
nvm, got it
 
5:15 PM
hungry notation?
int breadWidth; float meatHeight; struct pastaFactory;
 
@nightcracker I had pasta today, it was awesome.
 
@FredOverflow with what?
 
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Vlad follows me on GitHub.
 
@FredOverflow in a bit I'm going to cook rigatoni with minced meat, tomato sauce and mozzarella :D
 
@nightcracker Self-made tomato-sauce consisting of olive oil, 1 onion, 3 tomatos, various spices and garlic. Oh yeah and a bit of cream cheese.
 
5:20 PM
looks similar to what I'll cook
 
user1804599
That looks disgusting.
 
user1804599
Fuck pasta.
 
@nightcracker Wow, that was quick!
 
@rightfold you are dead to me
 
user1804599
I had mayonnaise with onion.
 
5:21 PM
@rightfold Well, that particular type of pasta has a hole in it. Have fun fucking it!
 
@FredOverflow google images is the best cook
 
user1804599
It was delicious.
 
@rightfold just.. an onion with mayonnaise?
 
user1804599
Ravioli is reasonable.
 
user1804599
@nightcracker No, of course not.
 
5:21 PM
@rightfold Savioli is seasonable.
 
ok that was gross
 
YAML highlighting for vim is so broken
I started typing {{ in the middle of the file and it died
 
@nightcracker lol
 
Why Do Titles These Days Look Like This? Your Life Will Not Be The Same After Realizing The Truth
 
@nightcracker You mean all words beginning with uppercase?
 
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5:27 PM
Title case is uncommon in Dutch.
 
Non-existent
rather
 
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The language could have been designed that way, but it isn't. — rightfold 2 mins ago
 
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I think I have really confused this guy.
 
turns out the Danes also like a certain type of joke (I'd say what, but then it'd kinda spoil it).
 
what
I don't get it
 
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5:33 PM
@thecoshman top kek
 
Too boring didn't watch
 
user784668
5:52 PM
lol neovim
 
user784668
Its devs equate giving it a version number with making a stable release.
 
user784668
Why can't they just tag it as 0.0.1.murders-puppies?
 
@notjefff Hello, you're interested in spiritual development? https://www.facebook.com/events/781389461899977
 

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