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9:00 PM
Which ones are the differential ones?
Great answer. This should be the accepted one. — Sofffia 3 mins ago
 
Ell
dsomething/dsomething_else = another_thing
 
wat
 
Ell
for example
 
I see
I don't remember doing those.
 
@Sofffia Fuck you. Just... fuck you.
 
Ell
9:01 PM
integrate both sides with respect to x probably
 
I remember a dt/dx somewhere sometime
 
@Ell Laplace transform
 
Exponential + cubic function?
 
Oh yeah
 
user1804599
@Ell Then don't do it.
 
user1804599
9:03 PM
vOv
 
Those are the one about the weird s
Integrals?
 
Ell
yeah integrals
you can use integration to solve some differential equations
Probably not all though
 
So you have like $ blblablabla dx/dt or something
 
If you can solve it with L then you should solve it with L
 
of course I did it wrong, let’s wait for the coffee to kick in
 
9:04 PM
Not sure if everything can be, but tbh that's the only method I remember
 
And then that dx/dt just magically disappears when you transform it to the form [blablabla]^b - [blablabla]^a
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I was never taught the laplace transform
 
Teach yourself
 
Ell
I just learned to solve polynomials, logs and exponents
@CatPlusPlus I will at some point
 
It's probably the easiest way to solve differentials
 
Ell
9:05 PM
as well as fourier transforms for signal processing
 
Because you basically reduce it to table-substitution
Laplace, shuffle it around to get the variable you want, reverse Laplace, solved
 
How do you remember this stuff
@Loopunroller I like how now your answer is -1 behind Deduplicator's one.
 
@Sofffia Well, it isn't bad.
 
:P
 
And I'm not a rep addict, really, just trying to help :)
 
9:08 PM
Of course you're not.
 
Elgoods Gold tonite:)
 
@Loopunroller Of course you're not a rep addict.
 
Xeo
HOOOOOOOME
 
@Sofffia Yeah, got it. It's not ambiguous.
 
Wow, today we went away without talking about C. This is a wonderful day.
 
9:10 PM
@Sofffia And it can get better! Let's not talk about C++ either anymore!
 
Xeo
Played Mansion of Madness today. /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
Hmm. Dunno that.
 
Xeo
it's kinda like Arkham Horror, but also kinda not
 
@Xeo Well that narrows it down!
 
Xeo
twas fun
especially the final stretch
 
9:11 PM
You should play Nomic with us
 
Yes
 
Xeo
achieved the goal (killing a Shoggoth, in this case) in the final possible round before we lost
man that was a fight
 
I am returned; so you may return to quivering in fear
 
Xeo
Sorry, but you're not nearly as frightening as a Shoggoth, so yeah.
 
indeed, I am substantially more frightening than a Shoggoth
 
9:13 PM
Nobody is scared of a drugged puppy, puppy.
 
Xeo
I My alcoholic battle nun would beg to differ.
 
what, you think that lots of people are scared of drugged puppies?
 
A what nun
 
Anyone has a neat GCC_COLORS to share? I completely overlooked that came out with 4.9, and the default colours are silly (everything is bolded).
 
no.
 
9:14 PM
also, I see flags from this room all the time. Some are quite entertaining, so thanks :)
 
I tend to bold everything because it's more readable that way and I'm too lazy to change colour schemes
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I played a character called Sister Marie, and went into battle with a bottle of Whiskey, Wine, and an Axe, and killed the Shoggoth with my bare hands.
 
Sounds like SS13
 
@rightføld that makes a lot of sense (assuming the class is a fd)
 
user1804599
It's unique_fd or non_owning_fd.
 
9:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus What terminal and font choices produce a nice bolding?
 
@LucDanton I don't care a lot for that, sadly
 
GCC's colour thing doesn't work on Windows
but Clang's does.
 
@LucDanton All that I use only make the colours brighter
 
user1804599
This one looks pretty nice.
 
@sehe Diagnosing a template failure means separating the error from the instantiation stack. Up to now that meant squinting and search highlighting error:—obviously colours by default is the perfect solution.
 
9:17 PM
@rightføld Very detailed.
 
@LucDanton that works a lot for me :)
I might "see the light" if somehow I suddenly get a color scheme by default
 
@CatPlusPlus k I’ll try the defaults a bit more then. Could be that it’s just the note I need to adjust. I think in some cases it includes unwieldy declarations in note messages which look silly and bright if/when bolded.
 
Clang works with VS? Wat?
Or am I misunderstanding stuff?
 
welcome to fifteen months ago
I'll be impressed if/when they fixed EH
 
@Puppy I almost never use anything on Windows, just now started updating my compilers and IDEs.
 
9:20 PM
@Puppy ISTR more like 10 months
 
I'm pretty sure it's more like fifteen but don't remember exactly
 
@LucDanton Doesn't your text editor do this for you?
 
... they don't ship any standard library with the installer, do they
You have to use libstdc++?
 
why would they.
it's a package for VS.
 
I don't know.
NO
 
9:22 PM
VS comes with a stdlib
 
libc++ doesn't work on Windows anyway
 
I mean the general windows installer
@Rapptz Ah, that explains it.
 
you have to use MinGW for more than just libstdc++
there's C runtime, linker, debugger, etc.
 
@sehe Sadly GCC doesn’t want to output colours when invoked a) by ccache b) ninja (the build system. I noticed a patch on the ccache ML but I don’t expect either to be fixed any time soon. So I have to add a GCC-specific diagnostic flag while building. Other than that, mine outputs colours by default.
@Rapptz Squinting? No.
 
Ell
@Puppy can wide interface with msvc compiled c++ stuff?
if you're just implementing the itanium ABI
 
9:23 PM
@LucDanton Highlighting error:
 
ah
well, I've been reducing my dependence on Itanium more and more
in theory, there are a few features that are ABI-agnostic for Wide.
 
@Rapptz Yes. I don’t usually build from vim though.
 
most of the non-POD stuff should work, except virtual anything.
 
Well I just invoke the command used to build my project (i.e. ninja build) and then press F4 to go through the errors.
 
Where does it get the output from?
 
9:25 PM
I've been trying to reduce dependency on Itanium as much as I can before trying MSVC.
 
Oh, it’s cfile or something for vim isn’t it?
 
It captures the output and puts it in a buffer.
 
1 min ago, by Luc Danton
@Rapptz Yes. I don’t usually build from vim though.
Can’t capture the output from another terminal.
 
I don't use vim :v
 
I did use cfile once or twice. I’d do it more, but I’m not sure how to integrate that to my workflow.
 
9:27 PM
@LucDanton Ah. That explains, I run with ccache.
 
ultimately until Clang implements MSVC-compatible EH I really can't make Wide and MSVC play together
 
> Internet griefers descended on an epilepsy support message board last weekend and used JavaScript code and flashing computer animation to trigger migraine headaches and seizures in some users. Wired
Wtf - I had missed this
 
@sehe It’s -fdiagnostics-color should you want to take a peek at the result.
 
@Rapptz Same difference.
 
9:28 PM
Why does GCC (MinGW) support __int128 on Windows but Clang doesn't
 
‘I don’t usually build from my editor’.
Well now I have to spend a few hours figuring out how best to use cfile.
 
Ell
@Puppy does wide have a standard abi per platform for interfacing with other wide code?
meh I guess that doesn't matter, there's only one compiler
 
Do any of you guys document your metaprogramming facilities with doxygen?
I want to know how I should do it.
 
I don’t.
 
user1804599
@Loopunroller oh woot even larger youtube.com/watch?v=eMGBoaCHXiI
 
9:32 PM
\tparam A blah \tparam B blah Short desc. Long desc.?
 
It's not very optimal.
 
Meaning what?
 
user1804599
€444 lol
 
'It looks like ass' I guess.
 
(I remember how to document but not what it produces.)
 
9:33 PM
> Photo: Clearly Depressed Dutch School Children from the Lyceum. Note also that they seem to be modeling how a denial of service attack works by all trying to get in the same door at once. Are they suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome? lulz
 
Everything gets its own page and it's very meh.
Since Doxygen was made with OOP in mind, every struct gets its own page and yeah.
 
I would expect that.
 
A lot of things don't really need it :/
 
@Rapptz Oh, I didn't know 'meh' is also an adjective.
 
Do you also want a summary pages of shorts with not only the metafunctions and their descriptions, but also the (t)params descriptions?
 
9:34 PM
all they do is inherit from something
 
@Ell It kinda does, I lower into LLVM IR in a consistent way, but what LLVM lowers that into I have no idea.
 
It's made to be language-agnostic and as that gives you the lcd.
 
That’s way beyond my doxygen-fu, sorry. I know how to input (write the descriptions, make groups and so on) to some extent, but I’ve never looked how to control the output.
 
@LucDanton I'm not really envisioning much tbh. The only decent metaprogramming documentation I've seen is Boost.MPL.
@LucDanton While writing my docs I've fucked with the doxygen output way too much. It's kind of annoying to get it 'just right'.
 
9:36 PM
@Rapptz It never occurred to me that could be the product of a tool.
 
@Rapptz Speaking of Boost.MPL, are they planning to update?
In the next couple of years
 
@Rapptz That’s still a separate page per metafunction/thingy :Þ
 
@Loopunroller youtube.com/watch?v=L2SktfaJPuU seems a contender.
 
I wonder if there's a way to hide what the typedef is pointing to in Doxygen.
 
9:38 PM
@StackedCrooked Yay. Snap! again
 
Oh Snap!
 
@sehe Cheers, looks good
 
@LucDanton It uses something called BoostBook I think.
Which uses Doxygen's output I think.
 
@Rapptz The tool is QuickBook.
 
cool
it seems I cannot hide typedefs
damn
bugzilla so bad
 
10:07 PM
badzilla
 
user1804599
bakazilla
 
yes that is the worst thing ever
 
He's so funny.
 
why is Jeff so bad.
 
10:14 PM
Srsly
 
can i start posting dicksource images with that text
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes already posted
 
Wait, did I find it from here?
 
:19322280 nom de dieu
 
Yes, I did.
 
10:14 PM
lol
 
Two messages above.
whistles
 
Goldfish memory
Aug 28 at 19:37, by Cat Plus Plus
@Jefffrey Loungers have a goldfish-like attention span
 
I don’t get it.
 
Jeff's forum software is not very well coded. So it's ironic that he goes against other forum softwares.
 
internet forum you guys https://i.imgur.com/bZWzLQ1.gif
 
10:17 PM
Also, it appears -fdiagnostics-color=always doesn’t mean always for GCC. E.g. when redirecting stuff.
@CatPlusPlus That I get!
 
Responsive!
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Why is that not a reply!
 
I don't wanna talk to him
 
@CatPlusPlus And you are a bigger cat for it.
 
VirtualDub is not very good at making GIFs, sadly that white text is just an artefact
 
10:21 PM
Wait
 
wow, youtube even supports 2160k videos
 
Discourse is not supposed to be responsive
Is it?
 
Dicsource.
 
dicsource
 
Damn, ninja is munging the escape sequences :(
 
10:23 PM
I mean
 
@Sofffia Wasn't always the case:
Jul 15 '12 at 22:25, by sehe
@refp No need to link twice. There are no goldfish in the lounge. Yet.
 
Ninja is a bit annoying with that.
 
"Responsive" is a much funnier label for that GIF, but I had to maintain the sameness
lol modern web design
@Sofffia No
 
So it does it for -v (fair enough) or when redirecting. Kinda weird, no?
 
10:24 PM
Shouldn't clip
 
@LucDanton honestly, I don't care for the compiler color coding that. I like the information in structured form, and let my tools deal with presentation of it. Sidesteps all these petty integration issues in one swoop
 
@CatPlusPlus Is it reproducible?
 
They sorta collapse stuff but minimum width seems to be like 720px
Mobile stuff should target minimum 320 or something like that
 
It looks fine on mobile.
 
lol
Can you screenshot
 
10:26 PM
Sec.
 
@sehe I was trying a set up where I compile in a terminal, producing an errors.err for vim to latch onto. Meaning I would like to have the colours in the terminal.
 
Because it's probably using browser detection if it looks different
 
So short error list in Vim (with aggressive errorformat), intact (incl. colours) output in the terminal where I can look e.g. at the full instantiation stack.
 
@LucDanton ok. Maybe you can make ninja tee the output of gcc into an errfile via AnsiFilter?
 
10:27 PM
@sehe Err, that ninja not being ninja the build system, right? :Þ
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does search show up fine?
 
@LucDanton I thought you brought ninja-the-build-system into the picture a few messages before?
 
It does
I just tried
 
What resolution is that
 
iPhone 3GS I dunno
 
10:28 PM
I have trouble parsing ‘ninja tee’. I thought you were advising me to tee like a ninja.
 
A small one
 
Do you want me to tee ninja?
Oh I get it now.
 
I think it does do browser detection lol
 
Dunno. Check the screenshot.
 
480×320 pixel resolution at 163 ppi
@CatPlusPlus Prolly
 
10:29 PM
Search clips at 480 for me
 
Many do
 
@sehe Yes, that would be the last recourse. I’m not super happy with the project-specific configuration referring to specific tools though!
 
Still lol
 
See facebook, see twitter, etc...
They all do browser detection
 
Still, I’ll see what happens if I append redirections when configuring the projects—maybe ninja doesn’t care and will pass those on.
(This is crazy.)
 
10:31 PM
@LucDanton Oh, that would just make it easier then? $(CXX) -fdiagnostics-color=always | tee >(ansifilter > errfile)
 
@sehe As the compiler? :)
 
You could bake it into a script that wraps gcc
 
Oh hey, functional abstraction. That’s sane.
 
I take no responsibility.
 
@Sofffia javascript hugboxes
Media queries are better
Nobody even favourited that tweet I feel like I wasted good humour on you guys
 
10:36 PM
I didn't know you cared about these things.
 
@sehe That also seems simpler because ninja uses sh, not bash, and I need to redirect stderr.
Well, where do I put this now.
 
$HOME/bin - my weapon of choice
 
waaaa drupal deployed to production
I can get drunk and forget about it now
Like 10h yesterday and 4h today
god
In other news MediaWiki is bad:
 
Don't get drunk cat
 
MobileFrontend: (bug 70009) Sherif Mansour discovered that POST parameters were being added to links generated by MobileFrontend, which could reveal the user's password after login.
 
10:41 PM
It's bad for your health
 
Ell
I'm gonna start using twitter now
 
Barely started and they already have a fucking 'Pricing' ready to be linked
Shitty useless money grabs
I bet they started after dicsource
27h this week so far, not bad
I might even hit 40 :woah:
 
@sehe Kinda surprised ansifilter isn’t packaged for Debian. Also the alternatives are a bit too hackish for my taste.
 
> Frame-based layout, for easy navigation.
lol php
 
@LucDanton Yeah me too :( Nothing checkinstall couldn't fix, though if you don't want to debuild your way
I usually just compile from tarball. It's once per dev machine
 
10:46 PM
It's more than once in general
You'd have an apt repo setupped in that time!
 
@sehe Seems sane enough.
 
> Forums, made the WordPress way
Broken and a gateway for PHP shells?
 
The original comic had an American joke lol.
 
@Xeo Just noticed Grisaia no Kajitsu anime is airing this season.
 
10:56 PM
Vi vs. Emacs drama:
-14
Q: Closing the Vi/Vim Proposal

Robert CartainoProposal: Vi/Vim We recently launched an Emacs site, and the Vi/Vim community quickly followed to have a site of their own. The show of support here was nothing short of amazing. It weighed heavily in our evaluation of this site, but we ultimately decide not to split off Vi/Vim from Stack Overfl...

Clearly Emacs is better and SE agrees with me. :)
 
lol snack overflow
 
@Mysticial You use emacs?
 
'You can vote on new sites! But well no we don't like this one goodbye'
 
@sehe The output of ansifilter doesn’t quite seem to match the input :o
E.g. 'test/concepts/toolkit.cpp:89:17: ' is a whole line; somehow the message that follows was eaten.
 
I have only met one fellow programmer that uses emacs.
 
10:58 PM
@StackedCrooked Not by choice. I try to use gedit, but git and p4 will only work with vi or emacs. So I chose emacs because it's the one that more closely resembles an actual text editor.
 
@Mysticial Why would git and p4 only work with vi or emacs
Also vi is dead
 
lol, from Concepts TS: Pair<auto (*)(auto, auto), auto (auto::*)(auto)> p = make_pair(fn, &S::mfn);
 
@Mysticial Why split from Super User?
 
> The show of support here was nothing short of amazing.
WTF
 
I use meld on Linux for diffs.
 
10:59 PM
@sehe Got it, full invocation is ansifilter --plain -o errors.err :)
 

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