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12:00 AM
never heard of that term
 
What are the onebox options when it comes to dictionary definitions?
 
wiktionary, but it's pretty broken
 
Verb: broken
  1. past participle of break
Adjective: broken (comparative more broken, superlative most broken)
  1. Fragmented, in separate pieces.
  2. (of skin) Split or ruptured.
  3. (of a line) Dashed, made up of short lines with small gaps between each one and the next.
  4. (meteorology, of the sky) Five-eighths to seven-eighths obscured by clouds; incompletely covered by clouds.
  5. (of a promise, etc) Breeched; violated; not kept.
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@sehe Oh. That was aimed at me? It showed up quickly enough, I figured it was replying to earlier comments. I'm heartened--maybe I can manage to be an obnoxious jerk if I need to after all (no need to point out that "obnoxious jerk" is my norm).
 
12:01 AM
you can do define: stuff to quickly onebox wiktionary just like you can use wiki: stuff to quickly wikipedia stuff.
 
just as sucky
 
Only five "bobo" meanings.
 
@LucDanton The very soul of "quick and dirty".
 
@LucDanton wow. That's pretty remote from what I wanted to say :S
no need to point that out,
that would just be redundant.
In the sense that we already knew that information, without it being repeated.
@Rapptz TIL
 
12:05 AM
@sehe Basically telkitty.
 
Zing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, I give the kitty slightly more credit than that. However, she does have such an unhealthy obsession with ... a number of themes that indeed, you have to try hard to see the authenticity
 
I can't believe I read through this entire thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Misspelling of 'borken'.
 
12:07 AM
@sehe she lives in this world of trolls and stalkers and birds that are either of those
 
Yeup.
Admittedly, it's pretty bad to return a const ref in C++11.
 
Ell
Does he say just use pointers?
 
yeah I always return non-const refs.
 
@Ell No.
 
12:09 AM
@Rapptz I found it very useful.
 
@LucDanton 'Typical C++ Bullshit'?
 
Ell
I have a question. If C doesn't have references, what does dereferencing a pointer do? Unless I've just made it up that c doesn't have references
 
@Rapptz No, in earnest.
@Ell Access the pointee (barring &* exemption).
 
@Rapptz Just a "if it's not what I do best, it's not good". And one who (rightfully?) defends the smugness with "I have proven it works in XX years of successfull non-trivial project"
 
He could have made his point a little better without the smugness etc if he just said 'operate on batches of data rather than datum'
Presenting the idea is almost as important as the idea itself :|
If you present it with smugness etc then why would anyone listen to it no matter how good it is?
 
12:13 AM
I’m not convinced ‘smug' is the right word.
Adjective: smug (comparative smugger, superlative smuggest)
  1. Irritatingly pleased with oneself; self-satisfied.
  2. (obsolete) Studiously neat or nice, especially in dress; spruce; affectedly precise; smooth and prim.
  3. De Quincey
  4. Beaumont and Fletcher
Verb: smug (third-person singular simple present smugs, present participle smugging, simple past and past participle smugged)
  1. (obsolete, transitive) To make smug, or spruce.
since that’s not his code
 
smug behaviour, i.e. 'my way is much more superior'
 
The things he points out are not obvious to most programmers. Yet he seems to be really talking down on the author.
 
Ah, doesn’t do it for me.
 
user1646075
@LucDanton smug or evangelical?
 
"condescending"
 
user1646075
12:16 AM
@Rapptz that's a good call
 
Might be a culture thing.
 
lol
 
Smug French people, remember?
 
12:17 AM
@Rapptz In UK, 'Lounge bar', (oh sorry, that's 'snug').
 
@Rapptz Works better with Google.
> He's smug and arrogant – just like all French people, says Depardieu.
One example etc.
 
Oh.
You meant that.
I don't think the definition changed there.
 
@StackedCrooked They seem to me the exact sorts of things that do occur to many (most?) programmers pretty quickly when needed. Anybody who knows how to use a profiler quickly learns to recognize things like a minuscule function that's called zillions of times, so the overhead becomes ridiculous (but compilers recognize those pretty well too, so they'll often end up inlined, and all his "optimization" comes to nothing).
 
@Rapptz re: the culture thing I mean.
I don’t question what you intended to convey, but it honestly doesn’t resonate with my own impressions.
 
What do you think of when someone says 'smug'?
 
12:20 AM
@Rapptz and don't branch (specifically by avoiding any logical conditions and sorting data into known sequences)
 
@Rapptz I understand ‘smug’; I don’t associate it with the tone of the presentation.
 
Just scanned the same thing. I don't dislike it.
 
@Rapptz I think of a certain facial expression.
 
exactly
 
Ell
12:22 AM
Yeah
 
user1646075
disdainful. showing contempt or lack of respect.
 
@sehe I'm not contending that the overall concept is a good idea, I just don't appreciate how it was presented.
It reminds me of Linus, in a way.
 
@LucDanton "tough", "sharp", "merciless", "provocative", "confronting", "impatient", "belligerent", "superior", and to a lesser degree "ranty", "whiny"?
 
@JerryCoffin Don't be silly. No one uses profilers.
 
32 mins ago, by sehe
@LucDanton I liked his talk mostly, except for the smugness and dismissiveness. But, like with any other Linus (oops) I can look past it. I'm used to very dedicated experts getting lost in their own bubble
 
12:24 AM
I only use a profiler if things feel slow. :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oops--silly me. Oh wait--working on my smugness: of course they do you incompetent dolt! :-)
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah. "How many bad design decisions can you make in 92 lines of code" is just... not very constructive
 
@sehe Eh, ‘superior’ I would put next to ‘smug’ (in the ‘I see what you mean, but I don’t really notice it’ category). But other than that, pretty on point, esp. ‘merciless’. Plenty more in the lesser degrees, like the aforementioned ‘arrogant’ and ‘condescending’ though.
 
@Rapptz Many people argue that I'm insane, but I still maintain that the best way to ensure code is "fast enough" is to make your programmers use (at least slightly) slower machines than most customers.
 
amateur filers are no good
 
12:26 AM
@Rapptz I use a profiler to verify that my code spends time in the places I anticipated. It's not about how much time (that can wait until needed), it's about testing my assumptions early
 
anyone familiar with python-social-auth? Getting an annoying error that isn't in docs.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, I stopped short because "tired"
> an annoying error
Well now. That's a first
 
@StackedCrooked nice one
 
@Borgleader almost as good as "smogness"
 
I'm thinking of switching over from Doxygen.
 
12:29 AM
Errorformat is driving me crazy. Why can I only specify the error type for multiline errors, or through %t? What if it’s a single-line message with no obvious ‘info’ in it?
 
And with that, I'm leaving for bed. 2:29am again. Not a good score.
 
but that's so much effort
do you guys agree with Konrad here?
I don't really find the first version unreadable at all.
Feels like general recursion to me.
 
@sehe It's not nearly as problematic nowadays, but when I was writing C I used a profiler to test correctness quite a bit. Just for an obvious example, was once pretty sure some code had a memory leak. Argued about it for a couple hours. Finally did one profiler run that mismatch between calls to malloc and calls to free. End of argument...
RAII ends most of those before they start though.
 
@Rapptz I avoid arguments to ‘intuition’, whatever that is.
I normally don’t write bool -> bool with ternary ops, too.
 
they both read the same to me
admittedly, yeah, I don't do bool -> bool either.
 
12:35 AM
Wot?
 
nothing
 
Ell
@rapptz to what?
 
@BryanChen: You can erase the operator<< at the same time boost::any erases the data: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/de70c25df7302c7f, but it's quite the hack. — Mooing Duck 3 mins ago
wow. ew
 
@Ell ?
 
@Rapptz The main thing that almost jumped out at me was the is_prime_recursive testing against all even numbers as well as odds.
 
12:37 AM
@sehe I don't find it /that/ hacky :<
 
His code is unreadable though.
 
@Rapptz see ^^. Also, the XY level makes it a bit painful. But, then again that's just because in my smug value-system use of boost::any is a code smell.
 
I don't think it's that much different from the ability of having a print_visitor for boost::variant.
At least, that's how I see it.
 
Ell
@rapptz sorry, switching from doxygen to what?
 
12:39 AM
@JerryCoffin you never know there's another even number among them
 
@Ell iunno.
Probably Sphinx.
a custom sphinx anyway
 
Ell
Yeah
 
@LucDanton that is the classic case of implicitly compiler-generated copy ctor, that's partially overriden (for mutable lvalues IIRC) by the template, right? Not that it makes a difference
 
@StackedCrooked So I don't know that every other number is even? I guess I have to work on my smugness; I thought that was something I really could get away with treating as indisputably obvious to everybody.
 
Ell
The sphinx c++ domain (is that what they are called?) Doesn't support enough last time I looked
 
12:41 AM
@sehe Yup.
 
Ell
It needs concepts, meta functions and all that jazz.
 
the Sphinx C++ domain is pretty fine as-is.
 
@LucDanton Oh wait, it does, if you assing one ostreamable_any to another? It might accidentally put the ostreamable_any in the boost::any, ...?
 
@Ell If you have concepts and metafunctions, you clearly need meta-concepts.
 
But this guy has a much better Sphinx C++ domain.
it has support for enums and everything
 
12:43 AM
@Rapptz The difference is mostly the amount of instantiations of the functions and the potential cost of invoking them (that's one to profile though)
 
@sehe Yeah, you erase over and over again. Not just assigning, copying from mutable lvalues as you put it, too.
 
@LucDanton Not sure but that might be the stuff that Mooing was trying to avoid. I'm not gonna look at that unreadable mess again, though.
And with a steady hand
Reaches the sleep button
 
@sehe Neither am I.
 
@sehe G'night.
 
Ell
12:47 AM
@sehe night
 
12:58 AM
@Ell I used the C++ sphinx domain on another project and it was a pretty pleasant experience for what it was.
i.e. writing docs manually.
 
Ell
Yeah
I've never actually used it
I was just playing with writing a documentation server
But looked at sphinx too
I just think it'd be neat to be able to edit documentation as you read it so its easy to update if you realise its out of date
But idk. I just like playing with HTML and CSS sometimes too :P
Even though I just copied Scala's look
 
@Ell Not particularly hard with Sphinx tbh.
 
@Ell It's all right. Just let it out. It's not the end of the world. You'll be better soon.
 
Ell
Haha
Maybe I just need bed rest
 
user1646075
1:04 AM
@MarkGarcia morning.
 
Ell
Boy it's 2 in the morning again. How did that happen
Night all!
 
night
 
user1646075
@Ell i think it's called the Circadian rhythm
 
@MarkGarcia Lame.
doesn't buy me anything over ConEmu.
 
@Rapptz Good thing I wasn't expecting you to be satisfied. :P
> As I mentioned above you can now copy and paste text with the keyboard. When copying text, don’t worry that CTRL + C has always been the BREAK command.
lol. This was mentioned in a comment in Ars Technica.
 
1:12 AM
no matter how many times I see this gif, it's still funny i.imgur.com/F18kYRv.jpg
well, jpg undercover
 
@AlexM. The "My Computer" icon includes the keyboard...
:P
 
1:37 AM
@AlexM. haha
it's only funny cos I'm drunk, but yeah
 
the rubbish company ...
nice name!
 
rubbish name
> The Rubbish Company is a "Hands on" Rubbish Removalist. The Rubbish Company drivers will load the truck, either by hand or using Dingo / Kanga - Bobcats.
gotta love dem crazy aussies
> "We are on time all the time"
Yeah I remember when my ex promised me something like that
turns out I misinterpreted
 
1:54 AM
BTW, damn I wasn't able to see the blood moon last night because of bad weather. :(
 
I couldn't stay up late enough.
Uranus was also right next to it.
I tried to find Uranus in my telescope before the eclipse, but it was impossible to see with the glare of the full moon right next to it.
 
insert yo mama joke here (in uranus, actually)
 
It was one of the auto-aligning telescopes that will aim at whatever shit you tell it to. So even though it was centered on Uranus, I saw nothing but a glow from the stupid moon.
 
computer, commence long range scan of the moon?
 
And I wasn't able to stay up long enough for the eclipse itself.
 
1:57 AM
insert penis joke here
sorry i'll go now
 
@sehe, @StackedCrooked Recently I made second demo (also on github) of await_emu - it shows how coroutine can be resumed in another thread after awaited data is ready.
 
@Mysticial Or wake up early? ;)
 
@MarkGarcia Fuck that. :)
 
It showed early evening here. So much disappointment for the weather.
 
2:00 AM
@Bartek update: 15 days into one month off Lounge
 
Oh and in case you missed it, I'm reposting this: Vi users getting butthurt.
 
there's an Emacs stackexchange? wtf. ever heard of tags, dipshits?
 
@Mysticial Next on the list: Notepad.SE!
 
0
A: Closing the Vi/Vim Proposal

Lightness Races in OrbitThis absolutely makes sense. It made no sense to have a whole new SE simply for Emacs in the first place. Guys, have you never heard of tags? Gees. This whole "everything needs its own SE site" fad is absurd.

I do feel quite strongly about this
Then again, since SO has devolved into a stinking pile of shit, I can see why some specific, focused fanbase would choose to go elsewhere whilst retaining the same mechanics.
 
I went for a jog at the time when the lunar eclipse supposed to happen, there were quite few people in the park - pity it was cloudy
 
2:06 AM
If they're going to do separate sites for vi and emacs, at least make it one site and call it TextEditors.SE or something. The #1 lesson is always put fanbois of opposing sides in the same room.
 
Stack Textchange
 
It's called Super User
It already exists.
 
btw @MartinJames did you get killed by the Derbyshire tornado?
 
Am I the only one who feels that SU is much shittier than SO?
 
@chmod711telkitty pity it was only visible from America and Asia
@MarkGarcia +1
@Rapptz there's nothing "super" about vi or emacs users :(
 
2:09 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Around the Pacific, so also Australia.
 
@MarkGarcia shhhhhhhhhhh
 
@sehe By the way, I played a bit with parsing of language based on indentation levels (a-la Python-like) with Boost.Spirit. First attempt was based on couroutine-preprocessor-filter, which inserted "virtual brackets". Second attempt did not use preprocessor, but used inehrited attributes to propagate indentation level to inner rules in conjunction with Spirit's repeat[] thing.
 
Boost.Sehe
5
 
Good night.
 
2:33 AM
Why do dem ducks cry
 
@Chantola Dems tend to do a lot of that in general. Reps may be self-centered jerks, but they're a lot happier.
 
Hello, World!
 
user1646075
Hell no, world...
 
3:08 AM
@JerryCoffin wut
 
user1646075
@EvgenyPanasyuk i want a language to force blank lines and 3 between each function. And comments or it won't compile
 
I just watched some of the MIT beginning programming videos and I almost cried, I thought I am good just maintaining an A at the community college at a young age. I'm nothing :(
 
-2
A: Why Python decorators rather than closures?

Steve Jobsget lost i am the best u suck u little son of a bitch

 
@Chantola Dems = Democrats, reps = Republicans.
 
@Rapptz Free downvote and flag thanks.
 
3:12 AM
shoot...
I didn't know I was getting into some political stuff
 
User already nuked.
 
@Chantola No, don't shoot. I promise I'm rich harmless!
 
@JerryCoffin -__-
 
user1646075
@Rapptz come on guys, Steve Jobs? that deserves upvotes
 
@aclarke no it deserve downvotes
Steve Jobs was a crook
 
user1646075
3:15 AM
heh
 
@aclarke As a portrayal of an arrogant asshole goes, I guess it had some merit.
 
user1646075
also, Python's generators. Ewwwwwwwwwwwww
 
user1646075
the world is going to think that they are meant to work like that.
 
user1646075
4:07 AM
The question was about decorators, not about methods of performing a tree traversal. - - Also I have personal issues with embedding a depth-first search into the iterator, to the exclusion of other search strategies; not that this has anything to do with decorators either... — aclarke 1 min ago
 
user1646075
as well... nyaaaa
 
heh... cute... a Martian year is 668 sols long on non-leap years, and 669 on leap years (which nominally happen every year)... so part of the year calculation gives 668+669=1337.
 
user1646075
@HWalters this will truly be the Martian century.
 
user1646075
do any of it's moons orbit in 42 days?
 
Egads... I don't want to think about that
leap is every odd year, plus every year divisible by 10, unless divisible by 100, except if divisible by 1000...
 
user1646075
4:10 AM
wow - 7hours 39 and 30.3 hours. Guess not.
 
Yeah, nothing worth noting as a Martian "month"--months in this calendar are interesting though
28 days in each month; every month starts a day of the week. The 6th, 12th, 18th, and last month (24 month calendar) are exceptions--they have 27 days. But you skip a day of the week as well.
But that means you can compute the day of the week by the day of the month mod 7, always, for every year
 
user1646075
I found a 42! "For Mars, they [Babylonian Astronomers] knew that the planet made 37 synodic periods, or 42 circuits of the zodiac, every 79 years"
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6:14 AM
moanings
 
eveings
 
6:26 AM
I see the Europeans are having to do day and night shifts again
@TheWobbuffet If "play music, web browse, read your email..." is much to go by, the answer would be found on Stack Overflow (or maybe Super User) anyways. Because that's simply programming related. It's funny how people forget what they are doing, just because it is inside my favourite editor. There's seems to be this strong psychological force to make an editor one's "home". Let's act like interior designers then: they do go to DIY shops for their materials. They don't need to seek out "Interior Design" or "Home Decoration" shops, because painting a living room is somehow different — sehe 31 secs ago
@EvgenyPanasyuk Nice. Sadly I've elected to not use Boost Context for a while - since it's not supported across the board, last time I checked. But I certainly do keep this in mind.
I think it's awesome
 
6:39 AM
I believe there are only 3 Americans in this chat now.
 
Regulars? Or just the active ones atm?
 
I am not sure if I am a regular, or just a lurker anymore.
 
@Rapptz That's actually a lot
 
@Mysticial Regulars.
 
@Nican It varies? You're a regular lurker :)
 
6:44 AM
Just me, you and Jerry.
2
@sehe Not compared to the amount of 'Europeans'.
 
@sehe Haha. :)
 
Can't think of anyone else.
 
Chimera is one; The Canadians (2 at least?) do count (as we're basically talking timezones here).
 
I am on UTC-8.
 
Chimera hasn't posted in eons.
 
6:48 AM
I realize that. I would still call him a regular. He's been through a lot with the loungers
 
I meant 'active regulars' then :v
Canadians include Etienne and Borgleader.
 
And on that note, I'm going to become an active office regular
 

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