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9:04 AM
what is the stuff you work on any hoops?
 
I'm in finance. I make supposedly high performance stuff. What about you?
 
@thecoshman isn't that every review? It's helpful when senior reviews intern. But two senior people reviewing each other.. nothing good can come of it. If you can manage it have a junior review senior work as a "walkthrough".
 
@ParkYoung-Bae telecoms. like wise.
 
@thecoshman but who was phone?
 
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Aaand another issue closed as PEBKAC.
 
9:10 AM
fuck. the social comity here had sorted out getting reduced tickets for a musical that I was going to with the misses tonight. Except when I finally checked them they were for last night. Seem I somehow kept writing 'Monday' and thinking 'Tueday'
 
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Why are all cheap houses in ghettos?
 
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I don't want to live in a ghetto. :<
 
Hence the cheap prices
 
@thecoshman I booked my train for the wrong day for the trip north from last week.
 
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The other cheap houses are reserved for people of age 55+.
 
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9:14 AM
Maybe I could disguise myself!
 
@райтфолд house in detroit $1 ... sf for the same thing $1000000
by myself.. go detroit... hire security
 
Finally fixed that seg fault
ADL issue
 
with a family...there is still a lot in between
 
don't do ADL kids
 
Xeo
lol
 
9:16 AM
ADL feels like a mis-feature sometimes
 
@Rapptz I'm considering going all Niebler on it, to be honest.
 
s/all/full/
 
No you cannot. You can (a) debug your own problems (b) file another question (c) read the answer... because then you would knowsehe 1 min ago
 
Niebler like Futurama Niebler?
 
See the answer I gave you yesterday. You're a help vampire. You write more questions than you write lines of code. You didn't even read/remember the answers. — sehe 2 mins ago
 
9:19 AM
@Rerito Yes
 
@Rerito I make that mistake sometimes too.
 
:D
 
But that's Nibbler.
 
Wait until you see Eric, the Nieblest of all.
 
Too bad, shitting anti-matter seemed like an original way to tackle problems
 
Xeo
9:20 AM
nom nom mandarin cheese cake
 
@Xeo With real pieces of chinese
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean with functors and stuff?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you mean?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae tbh I was playing with fire since I was using recursion.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah yeah. Functors.
I remember that talk. We've discussed it here before.
 
9:24 AM
@sehe What the actual fuck?!!
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A: copying edges with their vertices and properties using BOOST

KHALDOUN MohsenHere is the answer by @sehe auto const& gr = dataG.front(); // firslt graph in G_list auto ep = edges(gr).first; // first edge in gr vertex_t from = source(*ep, gr); vertex_t to = target(*ep, gr); Graph::edge_descriptor copied_edge = boost::add_edge(from, to, gr[*ep], testg).fi...

 
@Rapptz really. I'm quite fond of ADL and actively design for it. May I ask how it bit?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah I was present at this talk
 
@sehe recursion, two files, a function called detail::dump, another called dump the rest is magic.
 
> Useless and unnecessary TMP heroics
 
@Rerito o.O
@Rapptz so you had infinite recursion?
 
9:25 AM
I had recursion that led to a function that didn't exist because detail::dump wasn't found.
 
It deserves a flag
 
And the other 15 answers :) (only slightly exaggerating) — sehe 18 secs ago
 
cc @Borgleader @thecoshman @Ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz Better than Vulva (cf rightfold)
 
9:26 AM
You think?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Whoah whoah whoah calm down with the 404
 
Hmm, I can't use that in nonius, though, because MSVC is a pile of garbage.
 
> Graphics and compute belong together
What the fuck are they doing with OpenCL
 
9:28 AM
> Traditional graphics drivers include significant context, memory and error managemer
> So now you have to write your own
genius thinking
 
Next thing you know you'll have to ship an OS with your game
 
Every C programmer's dream!
 
It's simpler¹ ! So it's better!

(¹ for us to implement!)
2
 
I think it's quite depressing that they have to take stuff out of the drivers to get performance.
 
> Will work on any platform that supports OpenGL ES 3.1 and up
wut
 
9:29 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Inline namespaces?
 
@Mr.kbok constexpr. It can be done without constexpr but for nonius that's a deal breaker. I don't want to add measurement noise that I have no control over.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae sounds like we're back to Atari days
games back then also had FULL CONTROL over the hardware
 
damn this sounds pretty awful
 
@sehe I'm twatting this
 
you twat!
 
9:30 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You can also grab an existing one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What? I'm looking at slide 64 and I see no mention of constexpr
 
@Mr.kbok Well, it's page 64 on the PDF. The slide itself bears the number 68.
 
Yeah he meant the functor slide.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think I suffer from dyslexia... this is something else altogether :\
 
basically use constexpr instances of functors instead of free functions
 
9:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes OIC
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, going to be interesting to see what that'll look like API-wise
 
@BartekBanachewicz Honestly I think as long as the API is sane it won't be that bad.
I don't mind low level as long as the API itself isn't terrible.
 
I hope they make it in Haskell bait launched
 
@BartekBanachewicz You do realise that the first thing people will implement on top of Vulkan will be the OpenGL API, right?
 
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Maybe I should change the root user ID from 0 to something else.
 
9:34 AM
@jalf it's Mantle
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah... sounds interesting...
 
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Python is terrible and I'm scared of security bugs caused by integer-to-Boolean conversions.
 
what is wrong in the following code? pastebin.com/rbK8SdN4 Clang gives the error "no matching constructor for initialization of '(lambda at algoritm.cpp:19:17)'"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae POWER!!!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and then what?
 
9:34 AM
@BartekBanachewicz wasn't that still the way even up to ms-dos games?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Conceptually, yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno. You're the one that seems to think this will bring upon the end of the world.
Me, I think that and then nothing bad happens.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just as long as they do :D
 
@thecoshman yeah, sorta. But DOS didn't unload when the game loaded
 
wonder how D3D will respond...
 
9:36 AM
You can use the OpenGL API shim for compatibility, and the shim can be curated open-source.
 
@thecoshman D3D: pls respond
 
@thecoshman AFAIK D3D12 is basically going to be the same
 
@CălinCruceru Exactly what it says. You have to pass your lambda to the ctor of the container - it's a struct with a reference member.
 
Better, though, the shim can diverge from the OpenGL API.
 
@thecoshman they will probably say something like "we actually give you a higher level api alongside" or something
 
9:36 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes in there some where, s/a/up/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like, "create your own, non-terrible OpenGL"?
 
@thecoshman What?
 
welp, actually sounds pretty exciting
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv maybe Khronus will do the same?
@R.MartinhoFernandes hint: curated
 
@thecoshman yeah, afaik, GL isn't going away
 
9:37 AM
@thecoshman curupted?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think he meant corrupted somehow
 
@jalf well, 4.5ish no, but newer ones
 
@Griwes thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did I ever mention I failed English?
 
@thecoshman I didn't notice until now that MS isn't on board.
 
9:38 AM
look at the bright side, at least 'Vulkan' sounds the coolest :D
 
Apple is though and everyone else.
 
@BartekBanachewicz More or less, yes.
 
@Rapptz MS is not on any Khronos initiative AFAIK
 
@Rapptz really? They are 'supporting' of OGL though no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz low level != bad.
The API just has to be nice and it doesn't matter at the end of the day because you could make your own high level API to wrap the low level bits.
 
9:39 AM
@Rapptz no, it = tedious :P
@BartekBanachewicz VDR
I presume they still plan to promote that the underlying hardware is still abstracted...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Say, for instance you can migrate a traditional OpenGL program to use Vulkan features by replacing glload or whatever with the Vulkan shim and then gradually replacing bits as you go along.
 
having to constantly manage the differences between vendors or even versions of cards will be really tedious :\
 
@thecoshman There's an IR.
 
Everyone has a fancy paragraph except MS.
 
9:41 AM
how many people here are actually using tinder or uber, they are advertised everywhere, but how many are actually using those services?
 
> For more information, please visit google.com.
lol
 
OpenCL 2.1 Provisional Released!
New OpenCL C++ kernel language based on a subset of C++14
 
@Rapptz That's quite the 'fuck you'.
 
OH MY
dis guna be big
 
@Rapptz that was a golden opportunity for a lmgtfy, if I ever saw one :D
 
9:42 AM
Thank you @Bar I luv u also @Rap
 
@ParkYoung-Bae OpenC++L?
 
@Rapptz for a few years already
 
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oh shiny in a few days Ceres
 
~flabbergasted~
Sometimes question titles are quite misleading and lead to a Q&A topic that you are totally not interested in, resulting in a huge waste of time, useless server usage, and internet congestion (yes, I'm exaggerating, but still, the first argument still stands). I'm flabbergasted that this was declined. — rubenvb 23 secs ago
 
@jalf The OpenCL kernels are written in a subset of C99 which is a massive disadvantage vs CUDA which is essentially C++11
 
9:43 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae say what?! Awesomeness inbound?!
 
Not for you, NVIDIA user. I doubt they implement it.
 
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and tomorrow MGS5 announcement I hope releasedate
 
Have a look at SYCL for C++ on OpenCL khronos.org/opencl/sycl
 
Weren't Valve going to make an announcement today btw?
 
@TartanLlama SYCL died and/or will die in the egg. Anywhore I doubt it will succeed.
 
9:44 AM
On 3/3 at 3pm, iirc. That's some high level trolling :)
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I am not overly attached to my NVIDIA hardware ;)
 
@jalf lol
> make sure those fiddly nations like Finland and Albania don't ruin your empire by being a little island of someone else's colour in the middle of it!
 
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speaking of mozilla
 
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rust is cool
 
9:46 AM
I should learn rust.
 
It ruins my bike chain
 
drop the silly C++ crap I'm failing at miserably.
 
time to hyperventilate
 
Btw, @jalf, I played XCOM TBG yesterday.
 
@Pris you're late by 23 minutes
also Intel is like officially announcing WiGig or something
 
9:50 AM
anyone wanna summarize vulkan fo rme
is it hype? is it the savior of all graphics kind
 
lower level API than OpenGL, no more OpenGL ES nonsense
 
I hope Khronos aren't overAPIing themselves
Major overhaul was needed, but still
 
0 points
 
They should have done it the first time.
 
Note that fmap fmap fmap is equivalent to fmap . fmap since the outer functor is forced to be (->) (a -> b) (which is why asking for the type of fmap fmap fmap only specifies two functors in its constraints). — Chris Taylor 2 hours ago
@Pris it's Mantle
 
9:52 AM
SPIR-V; a revolution in the Khronos Standard Portable Intermediate Representation initially used by OpenCL™, now fully defined by Khronos with native support for shader and kernel features
 
@rubenvb This move manages to both preserve backward compatibility and to enable you to completely break away from it.
 
After they redesigned the whole OpenGL stuffs wrt feature availability around the 3.x mark...
Core, Extended, ES, etc.
OpenGL ES is only just taking flight.
 
"The layered design of Vulkan enables multiple IHVs to plug into a common, extensible architecture for code validation"
 
@rubenvb ES was becoming another GL really
 
Could it be true? Will mobile gpu drivers not be shit in the future?
 
9:55 AM
The harder part is still the os. context managment. virtual memory.
 
@Pris IOW, does magic exist
 
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@FredOverflow how well did you static analysis tool work?
 
there are none non-shitty GPU drivers at this planet
 
@BartekBanachewicz It does if you believe Bartek
 
@Pris let's talk after you spend over 1.5 years of your live validating one of them :) (that being said, Vulkan is certainly easier to implement than OpenGL, so...)
 
9:56 AM
What makes you say its easier to implement?
 
it's way simpler
IOW there's less functionality
 
@Pris It's purely functional
 
Where are you guys getting all this information from
I just see a vague press release
 
shut up capybara
 
@BartekBanachewicz <3
 
9:58 AM
@Pris top-secret inside contacts like @BartekBanachewicz
 
@'ing yourself is just lame
 
I knew how the API is going to look a good while ago, but it wasn't public
 
lol @AMostMajestuousCapybara
^ this still pings me
 
And apparently you're not supposed to share confidential information or something
Well, whatever, it's released, it's done, let's learn it now :)
 

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