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12:00 PM
Does it feel like I'm butthurt with some of my former teachers or not
 
user3010322
@chmod711telkitty Scary.
 
$ git config --global alias.stu "status -uno"
this is a great thing
 
oooh, OpenGL can't compile shaders can it, because cards might have different 'machine code' for the same source code. SPRI-V is like what... an intermediate byte code?
 
I am not saving pointer or reference, I am trying to save an object. — user1361164 16 mins ago
The stench of entitled
Yes. Indeed. So. There you go then. — sehe 23 secs ago
 
@thecoshman kinda
 
12:01 PM
@thecoshman Yeah you used to distribute the source instead of an intermediate binary
 
@ThePhD guess you are not a cat person :p
 
user3010322
@chmod711telkitty Paging @Xeo, who would be perfect if he wasn't a goddamn cat lover.
 
Xeo
What?
Talk to the hand, peasant.
 
They killed kittens.
23.
 
user1804599
s/peasant/pleasant/
 
> Coming soon to an Azeroth near you: the WoW Token, a new in-game item that allows players to simply and securely exchange gold and game time between each other.
lol
ITT World of Warcraft has better secure payment system than USA
 
user3010322
It's essentially the perfect place for Mad Science to be conducted.
 
user3010322
A secluded off-shore island populated mostly by old people and filled to the brim with cats.
 
user3010322
Kidnap some girls off the mainland, conduct experiments on Aoshima, make catgirls.
 
user3010322
Writes a Manga about it.
 
Xeo
12:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz cool
 
user3010322
Makes billions.
 
user1804599
Hey John.
 
@Xeo yeah, now WoW is effectively free if you're dedicated enough, officially
 
Xeo
Well, I paid other players with gold before, to get them to pay for my gametime
Now it's just easier and safer
 
user1804599
Why is doing $ curl -s https://static.rust-lang.org/rustup.sh | sudo sh considered insecure?
 
user1804599
12:06 PM
How is it more insecure than downloading the file and then running it separately?
 
Because you can check the contents beforehand?
 
user1804599
I see.
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae Checking is for babbies.
 
babbies, are they like barbies?
 
@райтфолд You're sudoing random bullshit from the Internet.
 
12:09 PM
@райтфолд You don't verify it
 
user1804599
How is that different when I do sudo emerge foo?
 
user1804599
I don't read the ebuilds every time either.
 
user1804599
And the downloaded files are automatically used.
 
user1804599
Although checked with checksum probably.
 
It's not too different
All in all if someone wants to fuck you up they will
 
12:12 PM
@райтфолд Trust, basically.
 
user1804599
I don't see why I'd trust the source of ebuilds more or less than rust-lang.org.
 
If you don't, then it is also insecure, yes
 
user1804599
OK. Thanks for the help.
 
@райтфолд Because your whole system is based upon that trust.
If you don't trust the source of the ebuilds you can't trust anything on the machine.
 
@райтфолд All things being equal, trusting one source on the internet is more secure than trusting two sources
 
12:15 PM
See also: ken.
 
user1804599
% man kt
No manual entry for kt
 
It's also probably easier to fake the result of an http request instead of ebuilds
 
I literally have solved 4 differen incarnations of your problem now, and it looks like this time you messed it up somehow, again, and I would go and fix your problem /again/? The previous answer contains a live sample. I suggest you go step by step and see where you introduced the problem. — sehe 1 min ago
 
> differen
 
12:16 PM
Question needs downvotes.
Actually. A lot of them by now. This user is completely on the wrong path here. The only thing he's got going for him is that he isn't acting abusive
 
Introduce him Jesus
 
I should do that with the "I'm trying to save an object" guy
Because, you know, Jesus saves!
 
TIL std::is_virtual
How is that even implemented
 
Magic
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Needs more template <typename... Ts> struct std::is_viral<std::is_virtual<Ts...> > : std::true_type { };
 
12:22 PM
> std::is_viral
Nice
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae With compiler magic.
 
user3010322
It also punches me in the face with VC++'s std::reference_wrapper
 
Xeo
@ThePhD You can actually get that info without compiler magic, IIRC
 
user3010322
Because for some shit-faced reason std::reference_wrapper checks if a class is virtual / abstract when the reference_wrapper is being constructed.
 
Xeo
at least for non-final classes
 
user3010322
12:24 PM
(In VC++: clang and g++ don't care, as they shouldn't care.)
 
user3010322
A bug was filed about it a long time ago, it was said to be fixed, but I don't know what they mean by "fixed" if it's still a fucking problem.
 
user3010322
AND OF COURSE
 
user3010322
MCROSOFT NUKED THEIR CONNECT LINKS
 
user3010322
BECAUSE A LONG-LASTING BUG DATABASE IS FOR SHITS.
 
12:26 PM
They what?
 
@ThePhD Ausstieg in farhtrichtung links
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It's simply "Ausstieg links" here.
 
Virtual editing of files inside archives is such neat feature in Vim
 
(Also typo)
 
12:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ausstieg links where?
 
user3010322
q_________________q PAGE NOT FOUND
 
user3010322
The best part is this page is linked from another working Connect Page.
 
@ThePhD has done so about a year ago IIRC
@ThePhD awesome
 
@Mgetz and that's new how? :P
cue COLLADA
 
user3010322
12:28 PM
@sehe From here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's not, I just thought you might like to know about their latest turd that nobody will support
 
@ThePhD Yeah. well, I can imagine a dead link on my own
 
user3010322
THe best part is, STL says "it's been resolved as a duplicate of this", which leads to nowhere, which begs the question: the FUCK did the original fix do?
 
user3010322
I bet it was closed as WONTFIX.
 
@Mgetz look at the starboard. And you're wrong, because everyone will support it
 
12:29 PM
@ThePhD Fix it, of course
 
user3010322
@sehe But it's still a problem: you can't use an abstract type, or a type that doesn't have its full class declaration, in std::reference_wrapper in VC++.
 
@ThePhD He didn't say the original was resolved
In fact the first-line explicitly said it repros
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus So they just never bothered?
 
Hackernews is bad why am I reading this
 
> Despite appearances, that bug is active in our internal database.
 
user3010322
12:34 PM
Maybe I should write a quick std::reference_wrapper and send it to STL.
 
@ThePhD connect has internal and external bugs, I suspect STL decided or forgot to open that bug up
 
user3010322
How hard can it be?
 
It's probably low priority
 
@ThePhD I'll show you
 
user3010322
Well, it's high priority for me. D:<
 
12:35 PM
Tough luck
 
user3010322
:c
 
@райтфолд Quite well for the few uses cases I cared about.
 
user1804599
Right, Karel is very simple.
 
user1804599
I want to analyse some more things.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Vulkan? Just a few days after Spock died? I call conspiracy.
 
12:40 PM
Stop inventing new bytecode formats and use existing tools
 
user1804599
I'm not inventing bytecode formats.
 
user1804599
I'm generating JavaScript code.
 
lol good target
 
@CatPlusPlus how much you want to bet the bytecode format of vulkan is suspiciously identical to D3D?
 
user1804599
With trampolined CPS for all function calls. :3
 
12:41 PM
@Mgetz I... don't care?
 
user1804599
So I can implement CSP!
 
Also good for them
 
@Mgetz No it's not
It's LLVM based
It looks like OpenCL's SPIR (which is based on LLVM IR)
 
UT is going to be released eventually and people need UE4 to make content for it, that could have also been a reason to release it for free
 
@ParkYoung-Bae not surprising, but a little disappointing. I would have assumed they would have catered more to driver vendors
 
12:42 PM
~revelations~
 
@Mgetz @Cat just won the bet
 
user3010322
@Mgetz That's the worst idea in the world.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae good thing I don't gamble in vegas
 
user3010322
It's what makes fragmentation such a fucking hassle.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I wonder how hard it is to warn on proc f(x: Int) require even?(x) { } f(3) given the compiler understands even?.
 
12:43 PM
Presumably driver vendors were part of the process
 
user1804599
I guess it's not much more difficult than just constant folding.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Except Microsoft's, because Hissy Fit.
 
Microsoft doesn't make GPUs
 
Everyone uses LLVM anyway
Why would you bother inventing a new bytecode
 
user3010322
Do they?
 
user3010322
12:44 PM
DO THEY?!
 
Unless you're rightfold
Well, CUDA is LLVM-backed, and all OpenCL implementations I'm aware of also are
 
user3010322
So is SPIR just a subset of LLVM or slightly-changed LLVM IR?
 
Yes it's a subset + changed
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae C++AMP got support for things outside of D3D using SPIR IIRC.
 
Aka not a strict subset
 
user3010322
12:45 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Bummer. Hopefully those changes get integrated upstream.
 
user3010322
Things being a strict superset are nice.
 
What for
If it's not useful for upstream then whyever would they bother
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Means I could decompile GPU code with an LLVM decompiler! \o/
 
user3010322
GLSL -> LLVM IR -> Javascript
3
 
user3010322
Fufufufufu.
 
12:45 PM
> Khronos is working on creating SPIR-V <-> LLVM conversion tools
 
user1804599
Why would you convert GLSL into JavaScript?
 
user3010322
@райтфолд Better question: why not?
 
To make the world a ~better place~
 
user3010322
GLSL -> LLVM IR -> compiled machine code, suddenly EASY SOFTWARE RENDERER IS EASY.
 
12:46 PM
Yes, because shaders is what's hard in that
 
SPIR knows nothing of graphics though (I don't know about SPIR-V). But I do not see how that makes software renderer easy
 
The hard part is any dx
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae But there's no dedicated SPIR -> {regular not-GPU architecture here} kinda deal is there?
 
SPIR is not GPU-specific
 
Or just mip level
 
12:48 PM
It compiles on x86, ARM, etc
 
SPIR-V also goes into OpenCL
 
OpenGL shaders are essentially specialized OpenCL programs
 
Also for software renderer you need the rest of the fucking pipeline and shaders are p trivial
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus The rest of the pipeline is eaaasy.
 
No... mip levels
 
12:50 PM
mipple salads
 
you need to jit to do 4 pixels at a time
 
to compute ddx etc
 
Ah yes yes indeed
(No)
 
user3010322
Ah yes that'd do it.
 
user3010322
12:52 PM
/cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
you have to run 4 pixels
 
TIL about star nosed moles
and fuck are they UGLY
 
user3010322
3
 
do I have to plonk all of you
2
 
12:52 PM
Please
 
user3010322
No Lightness-sama pls. ;~;
 
will you plonk me if I cc you?
 
ugly! but fastest eating mamal
 
@starmole You haven't met Bartek's mom
3
 
12:53 PM
lol
 
read up on it :) the star nose bypasses the brain
 
Does it use DMA
 
Kind of, yes! They eat bypassing the brain. Like DMA bypasses the cpu
 
@starmole maybe
but they're still nope-nosed nopes
better eat slowly and be sexy as fuck than eat fast and be nope as fuck
 
user1804599
boooo
 
12:59 PM
I'm out of pasta
 
user3010322
I like being nope as fuck.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Me too! We can be out of pasta together.
 
Gotta shoppe
 
@CatPlusPlus panic
 

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