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4:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz which restrictions?
 
Frameworks and libraries aren't what makes the games. We do.
 
Making the source code available is the bare minimum you should ask for.
 
@melak47 themes and time limits
 
user3010322
Of course.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean, full source code?
 
4:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz so opensource yourself!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, whatever you wrote.
 
yeah. I don't consider @ThePhD 's engine to be a part of the game; it's a part of the inner, game agnostic tech
So the code written during the jam for the game is to be open
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, less slapfighting about boring things
 
@BartekBanachewicz I say you should pick times. Dunno about themes. I kinda like the idea of having them because people get the weirdest ideas.
I'm ok with not submitting multiplayer Life.
 
It's not like we scoff at people that don't do the themes fully or anything
you can always jokingly make some reference and that's enough for me
 
4:03 PM
It has always been like that.
 
So we keep the themes, but won't discard the submissions that don't fully embrace them. Case closed.
 
@thecoshman Makes mocking easier
 
So since UE4 is free now....:v
 
As for the time, I kind of like the idea of only fixing the end time.
Because it's a deadline
 
4:04 PM
Because well it is swapping implementation
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, then why can't I start now?
 
Regardless of whether you do 6 hours or 36, if you have a deadline it's under pressure
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, no sooner that those 48-24 hours (if we opt for those "long" categories too)
 
Also one concrete class might be implementing more than one interface
 
I suppose it effectively means the jam is longer vOv
I was just thinking about encouraging people to work at the same time more naturally, but...
At the 2nd jam it was really cool, when people posted undeveloped screens and all that
and the panic
OTOH some of the people just worked quietly
 
@BartekBanachewicz which one was the 2nd?
 
4:07 PM
@melak47 3 hours.
@BartekBanachewicz That's why I recommend making it short.
It's a lot better if people are around together.
 
user3010322
I think for the 2nd jam I streamed the entire thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What if we publish themes a bit earlier?
that should at least partially satisfy people who say "can't think up anything in 5 hours"
 
@melak47 about a day late mate ;)
 
Of course that means people can cheat
 
4:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Would certainly help those wusses that excuse themselves with "ah but I can't think of anything".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sup
 
but like, it would be plainly visible in commits
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Who cares
 
4:09 PM
@Borgleader no, I mean..since it's effectively open source now...can I use it for the jam? :p
 
@CatPlusPlus I get that... but this is just being abused. And that also seems rather moot when talking about Java
 
2 hours until I order pizza :(
 
@melak47 oh, hahahahaha xD
 
@BartekBanachewicz You don't have to commit. You can cheat by writing code and keeping it to yourself until the jam starts.
 
4:10 PM
well fuck cheaters
 
@BartekBanachewicz If that's what you are worried about, commit dates are easy to forge. git commit --date=. It's not a problem IMO.
 
@thecoshman Uh no? At worst it doesn't hurt to do, and any IDE can do it automatically
 
So we publish themes 24 hours before the start and the jam lasts 5 hours.
 
Testing and mocking is still a thing in Java
 
Mocking Java definitely is still a thing
 
4:10 PM
Depending on interfaces rather than concrete classes is part of SLID
 
I'm going to create another chatroom for that because we'd shitstorm the lounge
well we already do, so might as well do it right now
 
what's wrong with mocking?
 
(I will never accept the O)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Should be enough to build an empty shell of a game that matches the themes and then a add a "mini-game" of multiplayer Life inside it, heheheheheheh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's this multiplayer life thing
 
4:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I think it's fine for now.
@melak47 It's my idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes k. you're the OP here.
 
Feb 17 at 12:07, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@BartekBanachewicz Oh well. So, the idea I had was some kind of 2-player Life. Like 0-player life, but there are two colors of cells. Players build patterns like glider guns and stuff and, well, those fire gliders at your opponent and disrupt their stuff and so on. I'm not sure how well it'd work; I suppose a player that manages to set up a breeder will win outright, but I wonder how feasible it'd be to set up a breeder while being bombarded by gliders.
 
I am going to write the rules, we'll review them and @Cat can put them on the page
 
Make a pull request
 
4:14 PM
off to bread
nite
 
user3010322
Good night
 
user3010322
Sleep tight
 
@ParkYoung-Bae 28.2.1
 
user3010322
Don't let the butter bite.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Too late, I answered already
 
4:15 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae leave it, we'll see how it goes when @datenwolf comes online
 
lol for a second I wasn't sure if I didn't put oil in the fridge by mistake
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just ask the imagination guys to look at my answer
 
@ParkYoung-Bae mmm I don't think I know anyone from Imagination, but I know one guy at Intel who would know. I'll contact him
 
Still I don't think I'm too far off
Anyway we will see
 
the difference is subtle at best anyway
 
4:16 PM
No
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, don't get me wrong, I've nothing against interfaces in theory, just their horrible "make everything part of the interface" abuse.
 
That's not abuse
It still makes testing easier
 
¬_¬ look at the examples I gave
 
Where
 
> The original logo resembled a deformed radiation warning symbol. Controversially, the original name for the DirectX project was the "Manhattan Project", a reference to the US nuclear weapons initiative. Alex St. John, head of Microsoft DirectX evangelism at the time, claims[24] that the connotation of the ultimate outcome of the Manhattan Project (the nuclear bombing of Japan) is intentional,
> and that DirectX and its sister project, the Xbox (which shares a similar logo), were meant to displace Japanese videogame-makers from their dominance of the video-game industry.[25] However, Microsoft publicly denies this account, instead claiming that the logo is merely an artistic design.[25]
lol
 
4:18 PM
heh, the previous jam was also on 22nd
good omen
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Should be the 23rd.
 
and @R.MartinhoFernandes it was also 5 hours
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's a blood omen
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why?
 
You mean the one that didn't happen?
 
4:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus no, the one with hyperactive rats
 
The event takes place on 22 February 2014 between 18:00 and 23:00 UTC.
 
Oh. Rats II.
 
mmm maybe we could make it 6 hours then
instead of 5
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Goddammit.
 
4:20 PM
lol
 
You're taking away all the Discordian bits.
Hmmm, out of Principia Discordia, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The Joy of Sex, and the Christian Bible, there's only one I don't own. Guess which one.
 
The Joy of Sex?
 
user3010322
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like how you didn't italicize the bible
 
4:22 PM
@AlexM. Because it's not the title.
 
it makes it clear that you don't own Principia Discordia
 
I would italicise, for example, Tanakh, because that's a title, a name. "the Christian Bible" is just a descriptive phrase that refers to the holy books of the Christian faith.
 
So, KODI 15alpha has removed all SDL dependencies
Time for Wayland!
 
> anyone (in particular, not only jam participants)
updated
 
Looks official enough.
Change the font though XD
 
4:30 PM
@rubenvb dude, it's a markdown document...
 
Pity gist.io is broken.
 
Markdown doesn't proscribe or ascribe fonts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yea
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Relatively few people own Bibles. It seems far more common for the Bible to own them.
 
I own one.
 
4:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Principia Discordia?
 
I'm a Discordian pope. Of course I own that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Bible is overwhelmingly considered to be the proper name for, and title of, any of the widely accepted Christian faith compendia
Actually, no, I take that back
 
However, I do not think you can italicise "Tanakh" if that is your logic.
lol Americans flagging 9/11 conspiracy theories
 
Multiple times (it was invalidated and re-flagged)
 
4:43 PM
OR MAYBE THE TERRORISTS ARE DOING THE FLAGGING
 
FALSE FLAG
FILENOTFOUND FLAG
 
maybe it's american terrorists
 
pleonasms are sweet
 
writing the message and then flagging them from a second account
 
TRUE FAGS
Oh boy. That is escalating quickly
 
4:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Tanakh" is an acronym. It is effectively a proper noun, while "Bible" isn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't see any distinction between the two.
You racist.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I own about 7-10. Different languages. I used to have a fetish for dem books (includes antique Greek new testament, Vulgata, several polyglot/annotated and then the used/worn ones from childhood)
 
@sehe I prefer to collect Le Petit Prince :P
 
Then again, I have several Quran translations (one polyglot) too. Admittedly, less well-versed in it
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good thinking
 
@Cat should I PR to master or gh-pages?
 
4:48 PM
Put another 'elitist' comment (couldn't resist)
@Poriferous "Yes, the question is rather complex; " No. The design looks rather flawed. "but that's what you get with pointers!" Exactly. You don't use them in serious C++ programming. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
 
Sources are on master
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I should be more explicit. "Bible" can function as a proper noun, but it does not in the expression "the Christian Bible".
 
@CatPlusPlus done
 
(Or, I guess, "The Bible" as a proper noun phrase, or whatever)
 
I preferred when we were comparing dick sizes
 
@sehe By length or diameter? ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then you should not have capitalised it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ kilograms
 
@sehe tons
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't say that, you'll attract the rightfolds.
 
4:53 PM
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I should have!
 
Dat sinking feeling when you have ported a moving target from C# to Java and now the upstream has spawned a near-duplicate function that has so many unexplained deviations... Needless to say I had distilled that logic down to 7 lines for the original.
I'm just gonna reverse engineer that protocol logic again I guess, and not re-create the mess
 
Another curious thing about the word "Bible" is that its meaning differs somewhat from the meaning of "bible".
 
what
If it's not a proper noun then you do not capitalise it; period
 
That's not true.
 
4:54 PM
@sehe do you really use that colorscheme
 
It totally is
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's a diff
 
@sehe ditto. No reason why diff should be special
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I can assure you it is not true, and I am right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz then, yes
 
4:55 PM
...
Disappointing from you.
You've gone full Bartek.
It's bloody contagious!
 
Oh. Could be worse. He could have gone full LRIO
 
"Bible" is typically used to refer to holy texts, while "bible" is typically used to refer to more mundane things like manuals.
 
Yes and in the former case it is a proper noun.
 
4:57 PM
I like this guy's accent
no idea what accent is that
 
We do not distinguish distinct words by how they are capitalised. We distinguish them by what they are, and proper vs improper is one such categorisation.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, a few you do.
 
@AlexM. A @MartinJames accent
proper Derbyshire
actually that's more Manc
 
@CatPlusPlus Do I need to add the link to the main page too or something? Also how is this built right now? Could we (lol) make Circle publish it to gh-pages? :D
 
Dunno, maybe
 

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