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11:00 PM
@LucDanton Huh?
 
I consider 'signed std::size_t' to be unambiguous :Þ
 
You consider wrong!
 
If you never use signed, then you are fine.
Why the hell would you ever use signed is beyond me
 
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@LucDanton using ssize_t = std::make_signed_t<std::size_t>
 
If you never use C++ then you are fine
 
11:02 PM
I never quite understood what the patent grant clause in the Apache license means.
 
I could be using C. Would I be fine then?
 
@orlp That your users don't have to worry
If you hold any patents to the code, you explicitly grant them right to use
 
@Jefffrey For bitfields apparently. stackoverflow.com/a/28013000/3002139
 
@ThePhD huh. ssize_t is not signed, right? I thought it was POSIX for stream size... :(
 
It is
Both
 
11:04 PM
lol
 
Don't use bitfields
 
@CatPlusPlus Then I've just found the final motivation never to use it
 
Speaking of signed and unsigned.
Conversions between signed char and unsigned char is well defined right?
 
user3010322
> It is used as a signed counterpart of std::size_t
 
I should store these char guarantees in my head sometime.
 
11:06 PM
holy shit
 
@hvd: I wish the C standard would introduce distinct "whole quantity" and "algebraic ring" types. The behavior when combining signed/unsigned types of the same size is appropriate when the types are used as algebraic rings (which they often are) but promotion of unsigned types to larger signed types only makes sense when the types are used to represent whole quantities. If bitfields (and other things) could be defined as holding whole quantities, then it would be be possible to say that an operation between such a bitfield and a signed value would yield a signed number large enough... — supercat Jan 24 at 17:16
okay...
 
when scrolling on this wikipedia page the red and green boxes turn yellow
I'm not sure if it's a chrome bug, my screen bugging, or an optical illusion
 
no repro
 
No they don't
Stop doing drugs
 
get your eyes checked m8
 
11:07 PM
Can't see it with my chrome.
 
THE DRESS IS PURPLE
FUCK YALL
no but seriously, I think it's my screen then
 
@orlp Perhaps update your graphics driver or calibrate your screen?
 
@orlp they don't, but I can perceive some of them vaguely as such yes. But only where green/red alternate
 
@sehe yes, where they alternate
 
@BaummitAugen Man sieht den Baum mit augen! Nicht mit Chrome
@orlp I'm pretty sure it's the latter: an illusion
 
11:08 PM
@sehe ich genau so. :)
 
alright no guarantees
 
@BaummitAugen Mach das doch nicht! Man soll nicht nur einfach genauen!
 
signed char to unsigned char is good, unsigned char to signed char is bad
char to unsigned char is good and vice versa
fuck
 
@sehe Dein Name gehört zum Satz oben. :)
 
@Rapptz ^ looks like more guarantees than none
 
11:10 PM
@sehe signed to unsigned is the same as any other type.
 
user3010322
The golden rule is that signed char is bullshit.
 
yeah it seems so
 
@BaummitAugen Nein. Das schaut sich vielliecht so an, aber das is trüglich (no idea whether I'm making sense now, but too lazy to check GT)
 
user3010322
Nobody programs and uses signed char anyway: we lost that chance when we let people take their byte arrays with char*
 
actually I'm not sure if what I said about char and unsigned char is correct or if it only matters on pointers
 
11:12 PM
If I'd design a language today I would do away with all that
 
which I already know
 
only make u8, u16, u32, u64, i8, i16, i32, i64, etc
 
@Rapptz I know. So, it's basically /more/ guarantees there, since char <-> unsigned char is also ok
 
but I mean is auto c = static_cast<unsigned char>(x) guaranteed to be sane?
 
@orlp make love, not integer types
 
11:13 PM
@sehe Not really, The joke was based on the fact that your name is a German word, so I pinged you and used the name a part of the sentence at the same time. I guess that did not work too well. XD
 
@Rapptz heh. I use char for aliasing if that's what you mean. But static_cast depends on the type of x there very much
 
given context, x is char :v
 
Sure....
@BaummitAugen Ah. I didn't notice that attempt :)
I'm going to bed
Better for everybody
 
user3010322
So I can't use tmp::type<T> as my alias for typename T::type :c
 
Night all
 
user3010322
11:14 PM
Because if I use it in something that tries to define type it'll be an ambiguus reference.
 
user3010322
So I need something else that gets the type.
 
user3010322
Maye I'll call it tmp::t<T>
 
everyone calls it invoke_t.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz ...invoke? thought that was for functions?
 
@Rapptz Yes, char to unsigned char is pretty much guaranteed to be fairly sane. There are quite a few cases that need to use it on a regular basis, so if it breaks. there will be problems.
 
11:15 PM
step your game up bub
you're 3 years late.
 
user3010322
:c
 
@ThePhD Ask @LucDanton
@JerryCoffin Yeah I figured that because it'd be unbelievably annoying if it wasn't guaranteed to be sane..
 
Like the rest of c++, then
(SCNR)
 
bah
had a disaster at work today
 
hrmm
 
11:21 PM
holy fuck
worst website of the year goes to: unity3d.com/5
 
last day before the demo, some shit I need to fix, and had to spend nearly the whole day instead fixing my boss's laptop which for some reason works completely differently to everybody else's
tomorrow is demo day and there's still way too many bugs and shit
 
A magician never reveals his secrets.
 
Dark skin had to remain a Pro feature just to pay for that website
 
@CatPlusPlus that's racist
but seriously, can we establish one and for all that website should not mess with scrolling?
 
lol
Welcome to ~~modern~~ webdev
 
11:26 PM
I want a webpage to be a webpage with the same fucking controls as every webpage
 
Too many nerds
 
no, your stupid website is not special enough to warrant feeling like some application
this annoys me a lot on windows as well
especially "gaming" related applications
 
@orlp Get with the times old man
 
they all go for these custom window skins that I do not fucking want
 
You're just not hip and cool enough to 'get' modern web design
 
11:28 PM
People are dumb and prefer form over function
Get used to it
It's not going away
 
found an example with 2 offenders in one:
 
@CatPlusPlus If I ever have a company, the motto is literally going to be "Function > Form"
 
@CatPlusPlus but it's not even form
@CatPlusPlus it's ugly as hell
its form nor function
 
@orlp It probably looks good on a mobile device with smooth scrolling. I think pretty much every new-fangled website designs first for tablets/mobile and second for desktop
 
oh yeah, "responsive turds" IIRC
 
11:31 PM
I don't think it looks ugly.
It's just overdone at this point.
It's been done a lot before so.. it's meh.
 
ah fuck my life
 
Responsive is about adjusting based on screen size
 
Yep.
Non-responsive websites suck to browse on mobile.
 
@CatPlusPlus So when you have a turd, you can adjust the turd to use up the entire window.
 
user3010322
Oh my god
 
11:35 PM
It has nothing to do with graphical design
 
user3010322
There's this rotund person
 
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In the lecture down the row from me
 
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And he keeps wagging his foot
 
what is a rotund
 
user3010322
and it's shaking the whole fucking row
 
11:35 PM
lol
 
user3010322
@orlp Round, portly, fat.
 
Throw butter at them
 
another reason why I don't like being around other people
I can't wag my foot
 
I'm still amazed that people eat fucking butter
 
user3010322
Butter is amazing. \o/
 
11:36 PM
Like, just butter
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
@CatPlusPlus people eat the cream that's produced by smegma and vaginal discharge during sex?
 
user3010322
That's a little... uh...
 
also known as fucking butter
 
I forgot AGPL exists.
 
user3010322
11:37 PM
AGPL?
 
@Rapptz So did everyone else.
 
A license.
 
Allegro GPL or smt
 
The Affero General Public License, often abbreviated as Affero GPL and AGPL (and sometimes informally called the Affero License), refers to two distinct, though historically related, free software licenses: The Affero General Public License, version 1 which was published by Affero, Inc. in March 2002, and is based on the GNU General Public License, version 2 (GPLv2), and also the GNU Affero General Public License, version 3, published by the Free Software Foundation in November 2007, and based on the GNU General Public License, version 3 (GPLv3). Both versions of the AGPL were designed to close...
 
affero*
AFAIK it's basically to close the loophole that is remote services
so let's say you build the next google docs, release it under AGPL, someone takes your shit and modifies it and hosts this as gugle duqs you can force them to release their modifications
 
11:40 PM
Free as in Freedom™
where's my favourite comic
 
Ugh not this again
 
:)
 
@Rapptz did you intentionally adopt polyphasic sleep or did it just came to be?
 
latter
I used to sleep in school when I was younger and I stayed up late all the time but when I went to college the desks weren't as comfy so I stayed up instead and lived with my small sleep.
 
I'm thinking about trying it, but I don't know if it's healthy and it's probably very impractical for having a job/social obligations
 
11:44 PM
Not enough hours in a day.
 
Could there be a syntax for folding a variadic pack with a user-specified function rather than an operator?
 
Like, I've done some reading - do you feel devastated if you fall behind a couple of hours for your nap?
 
need for sleep is stupid. we need some technology to get rid of it :|
 
@LucDanton in c++?
@LucDanton like, it's certainly possible, but are you asking whether a short form exists?
 
@orlp i feel urgh when i get 4-5 hours but don't feel anything when i get ~2 hours.
 
11:47 PM
@orlp I only get annoyed if I oversleep.
2 hours is okay, 3 hours is meh, 4 hours is fine, 5 hours is terrible, 6 hours is bad, 7 hours is okay, 8+ is awful.
 
So you sleep 2 hours every ? hours
 
user3010322
I moved all of my template stuff to my tmp namespace.
 
user3010322
And then hid all of the various meta programming template stuff inside of a single Furrovine++/type_traits.hpp
 
Lately I've been sleeping 2 hours yeah.
 
@ThePhD Seems like a bad name, tmp is pretty much universally used for temporary
@Rapptz Yeah, but 2 hours per how many hours of being awake?
 
user3010322
11:49 PM
@orlp Awrr... Guess I'll have to use meta then. or mtp
 
@Rapptz I've been sleeping 5.
 
user3010322
For meta template programming
 
22 hours.
 
@Rapptz Oh, so not really polyphasic sleep, just sleeping very little?
 
atm yeah
I haven't been napping cause I have a lot on my plate.
I usually do 4 hours of sleep and then 30 minute nap at 1:30 PM.
YMMV.
 
11:51 PM
I've read some articles, apparently there's a gene that allows you to get by with a lot less sleep
 
I don't buy it.
 
maybe you have that
I'm not necessarily buying it either, it could be true, it may not be.
@Rapptz I could not function with 2 hours sleep per night.
 
I don't really prefer it.
tbh I get tired throughout the day but I just power through these small bursts of tiredness and then I'm no longer tired for ~6 hours until the cycle repeats itself.
there are times where I KO on my PC though.
always a disappointment.
 
@orlp If you're getting older you'll slip into this anyways:
Senile Bettflucht ist eine Scherzbezeichnung für ein vermindertes Schlafbedürfnis im Alter, das durch ein frühes Erwachen gekennzeichnet ist. Eine Verschiebung des Schlaf-Wach-Rhythmus im Senium wird karikierend als „senile (greisenhafte) Bettflucht“ bezeichnet, da im höheren Lebensalter das individuelle Schlafbedürfnis des Menschen abnimmt. Ältere Menschen, bei denen dieses Phänomen auftritt, fühlen sich jedoch im Allgemeinen ausgeruht. Zudem kann zusätzlich durch das Halten eines Mittagsschlafs der Nachtschlaf verkürzt werden. == Einzelnachweise == ↑ Stephan Zschocke: Klinische Elektroe...
 
Auf Englisch bitte.
 
11:55 PM
I don't speak German.
 
"Senile bed escape"
 
@orlp Sorry, I've been trying, but could not find the english equivalent.
 
Senile bed escape is a joke name for a decreased need for sleep in old age, which is characterized by an early awakening.

A shift of the sleep-wake rhythm in senility is referred caricatured as "senile (senile) Bed flight", [1] because of advanced age decreases the individual sleep needs of the people. [2] The elderly, in which this phenomenon occurs feel but generally rested. In addition, can also be reduced by holding a nap night sleep. [3]
google translate.
 
@CatPlusPlus absolute values with some anchoring options
 
it's pretty meh but understandable.
 
11:57 PM
@Rapptz Hits it quite good IMHO
 
@ThePhD what should be the behaviour of the folding if the parameter pack is empty?
 
> Since the buyout, Persson hasn't been shy with his money, reportedly spending as much as $180,000 in a single night at Las Vegas nightclubs. But he said he's just making up for the time he spent programming when he was in his 20s. "Partying is not a sane way to spend money, but it's fun," he said. "When we were young we did not have a lot of money at all, so I thought, if I ever get rich I'm not going to become one of those boring rich people that doesn't spend money."
 
no he's not?
 
What an idiot.
 
parties are fucking boring
although I guess that's just me
 

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