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11:00 AM
lol
 
@FatalSleep no
 
Thank you.
 
@FatalSleep It has auto, though!
 
the wrong kind of auto, eh
anyway I'm going to be staying in W2 4QS
 
user1804599
Did you mean data Animal = Animal Family Color? — райтфолд 25 secs ago
 
user1804599
11:02 AM
I think OP is a little clueless.
 
that's near the Queensway station
 
that's reasonable
and not too far from where I stayed last time
 
@AndyProwl Thanks for doing the useless thing on my behalf. Sorry if I managed to offend. I was more or less putting things into perspective. If you care about the smudges, time should not be the issue. w/e
 
and only 70m from the nearest Synagogue, which will be handy for you!
that's annoying actually - looks like a nice area but now I'll have to stay someplace else
 
Huh, €34 for the flight. Pretty crazy how cheap air travel has gotten
 
11:06 AM
there are no flights for me to Luton lol
 
that's fucking Ryanair, of course. Might be worth throwing in a few more bucks for a slightly less evil airline. Hmm
 
£203 to City
 
lol Epic came up with documentation solely to help you transition from Unity to UE 4 docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/GettingStarted/FromUnity/…
nice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the unicode symbol for the cross
 
For what?
There's tons of crosses.
 
11:15 AM
Speaking of unicode
I'm having issues.
JSON spec says I don't have to escape code points
but iunno
I feel like I should provide the option
like how python does ensure_ascii = True in json.dump.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes footnotes
I've seen you use it a few times
 
@Rapptz Pure ASCII is a good property to have as to lets you transmit it across virtually any channel without danger of mojibake.
 
That is called a dagger.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's a dagger.
 
U+2020
 
11:17 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah hmm
 
A dagger, or obelisk, U+2020 † dagger (HTML † · †), is a typographical symbol or glyph. The term "obelisk" derives from Greek ὀβελίσκος (obeliskos), which means "little obelus"; from Ancient Greek: ὀβελός (obelos) meaning "roasting spit". It was originally represented by the ÷ symbol and was first used by the Ancient Greek scholars as critical marks in manuscripts. A double dagger or diesis, U+2021 ‡ double dagger (HTML ‡ · ‡), is a variant with two handles. == History == The dagger symbol originated from a variant of the obelus (plural: obeli), originally depicted...
† as an HTML entity.
 
Type †.
 
@Rapptz Well, there's no harm in escaping them anyway, is there? If you're concerned about keeping the contents ascii only, just do that. I don't really see the point in offering an option to toggle that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah my problem stems from the fact that I don't know how to escape it.
 
@jalf Size vs portability.
 
11:18 AM
The Elder Scrolls: †↷
 
@Rapptz Oh. IIRC you need to UTF-16ize it, and escape each of the surrogates.
 
I suck at this
 
I turn the string into UTF-8 during parsing :(
 
> To escape a code point that is not in the Basic Multilingual Plane, the character is represented as a twelve-character sequence, encoding the UTF-16 surrogate pair. So for example, a string containing only the G clef character (U+1D11E) may be represented as "\uD834\uDD1E"
 
shit £79.99 for daggerfall :(
most postings are like this
maybe later
 
11:21 AM
@Rapptz It's stupid because JavaScript.
 
I can do UTF-16 to UTF-8 but how do I UTF-8 into UTF-16?
googles
 
Decode UTF-8, encode UTF-16.
 
user1804599
system("iconv");
 
Somehow googling this leads me to <codecvt>
 
Subtract 0x10000 from the scalar value, take the high ten bits and add 0xD800 to them making the lead surrogate, and take the low ten bits and add 0xDC00 to them making the trail surrogate.
 
user1804599
11:24 AM
import ICU
 
user1804599
mojibukkake
 
O WOW. That's tdWTF that keeps on giving: [assembly: System.Reflection.AssemblyCompany("Hewlett-Packard Company")]
 
People are still biting that? :D
 
I am
 
user1804599
let's try Rust
 
11:26 AM
It's dead already, leave it dead! :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks.
 
I really hate it when games make achievements like this
Friend of Trolls
Spare all trolls in the game.

Trollslayer
Kill all the trolls in the game.
forcing you to play multiple times using paths you don't want to play through if you want to get 100%
 
...
 
@Griwes why?
 
"I want to do and see everything there is in the game, but I don't want to have to play it more than once". In other words, all games should be strictly linear?
 
11:28 AM
is that what you understood from what I said?
 
@jalf Candyland FTW
 
let me rephrase
 
Did you miss my earlier mention of XCOM, btw?
 
"I want achievements to not force you to take paths you don't want to take."
 
I'll do this unicode escaping thing.. soon..ish
 
11:29 AM
especially paths that pertain to morals
 
@AlexM. Achievements don't actually force you to do anything, you know?
 
@Rapptz There's a codecvt for it, btw. I think
Maybe.
Lemme check.
 
@jalf the game doesn't want you to play it either
your point?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me? Yeah, probably. What did you say?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah there is.
Header doesn't exist in libstdc++.
 
11:30 AM
@AlexM. My point is that what you're saying only makes sense if you care more about unlocking achievements than you do about actually experiencing the game. And if that is the case, then you are weird and wrong. :p
 
I like trying to 100% achievements
 
main.cpp:5:19: fatal error: codecvt: No such file or directory
 #include <codecvt>
                   ^
 
If you care as much about the content as achievements, then you either have to accept multiple playthroughs, or you'd logically need to play strictly linear games
So what you're saying is, there should be branches through the game for which no achievements exist?
Because I might not play that path
 
@jalf I played the board game yesterday.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooh, how was it?
 
11:32 AM
That is not a "solution", temporary or otherwise. Your code is broken and could still break at any moment. In fact you haven't even pretended to solve the problem of "the code breaks in release builds", because all you're doing now is not making release builds. The person in your team should be given a stern talking to... — Lightness Races in Orbit 12 secs ago
@Rapptz It's <locale>
 
It's <codecvt>.
 
@jalf no
I am talking about achievements making you do what you don't want to do
 
std::codecvt is in <locale> but <codecvt> exists for more stuffs
which is shitecoptering
 
like achievements that you earn by dying a number of times
 
11:33 AM
yeah it's dumb as hell
 
or achievements that you earn by killing people you don't want to kill
 
well, it doesn't exist for you ;p
 
Drat and double-drat. The controller in my display has started synthesizing setup menu input commands. Now, it's set up the brightness to max and the whole screen is washed out. The remote no longer works and the manual buttons are intermittent. I can barely make out the text. I may have to get a new monitor. I'll try disassembing this one and clean up the connectors/buttons but, IME, once you take something like a dispaly apart, it's fucking difficult to get it back together again:(
 
pretty sure you can make branches and achievements for them without resorting to extreme cases like this
 
@AlexM. And I'm pointing out the logical inconsistency in this. Either you remove all achievements from any optional part of the game, which seems boring, or the developers have to tailor the game precisely to you, giving out achievements only for the optional paths that you take
 
11:33 AM
It's nice. Didn't seem as tough as some people put it.
We still lost, but we made several mistakes.
 
@AlexM. Anyway, never mind, it's not important, and not worth fighting over. I just personally think it's weird when people care more about achievements than they do playing the game. Perhaps that's just me being an old fart who grew up with games before they had achievements. You're free to play the game however you like. Peace :)
 
Like Ben directing all UFOs to North America for no reason at the moment we had no defenses in North America.
 
heh
 
new and delete are not "basic methodologies". They are advanced, expert tools. — Lightness Races in Orbit just now
for @Puppy and @райтфолд
-3
Q: For net framework, how to test its performance, and how to write benchmark?

Genry notice, not http servers I have written a net framework for game server, but i doesn't know it's performance?

lol
also I hate most 1-rep users
"Any help?" Really? — Lightness Races in Orbit 38 secs ago
 
@jalf you're still not seeing my point
I'm not talking about not wanting to do something because you don't want to play more than once
I'm talking about not wanting to do something because of other reasons e.g. morals
like I said, killing a character vs letting him live
but yeah
nvm, not getting anywhere anyway
 
11:38 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would someone who knows how to change optimization flags not know that changing them to 'fix' something is not a good sign
 
@AlexM. Sure, I see your point, I just disagree with it. That seems like precisely the point where achievements are interesting
 
@AlexM. Well, you want to experience all the moral choices (what would 100% mean otherwise?).
 
when you choose to do something that might differ from other players. Not just when you check the same checkbox that all other players also check in order to complete the game
I don't give a shit about an achievement that says "you did what the game required you to do, well done"
 
Also, totally getting this:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this kind of stuff
> Torn Asunder!
Kill more than one opponent using a single exploding bomb.
 
user3010322
11:40 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Once upon a time, I wanted to write a Haskell -> SPIR-V / Haskell -> D3DBytecode Compiler.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this game is extremely meh imo
 
But one that says "you chose to do something that you didn't have to do", that's actually interesting
 
> Backbone
Craft a suit of armor from elements of the kayran's carapace.
plenty of options for achievements without involving moral choices
 
@ThePhD very possible vOv
 
@AlexM. Yes, and they're all boring.
 
11:40 AM
IYO
 
So you want achievements to only relate to game mechanics, and never the plot?
 
@jalf And not cover all possibilities, so you can get 100% completion.
@BartekBanachewicz You suck, though :P
 
So what would you do with DX:HR or KOTOR? Where the abilities you get access to depend on your moral choices?
So you wouldn't be able to have achievements for using a certain ability to kill a certain number of enemies
Because a player making different moral choices wouldn't have that ability
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You shoulda commented "???"
Then I coulda swooped in with 4. PROFIT!
 
What about games where you might dislike a choice for reasons that aren't moral? What if I just find it boring to play the rogue/stealth class, say? Should I be forced to play it anyway for completion, or should there be no class-dependent achievements?
 
11:44 AM
@jalf yes
 
@jalf have you played Machi Koro?
 
What about the achievements for all the scanning/mineral collection stuff in Mass Effect? It was boring as fuck, and many players would want to avoid it. Should they be forced to do it anyway by having achievements rewarding it?
 
@jalf Oh gawd, that.
 
Or for collection stuff like the riddler stuff in the Arkham games?
 
The nightmares.
 
11:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nup?
 
user3010322
> For example, SYCL enables single source development where C++ template functions can contain both host and device code to construct complex algorithms that use OpenCL acceleration, and then re-use them throughout their source code on different types of data
 
user3010322
"Oh my god these template things are AMAZING."
 
@Pris ;p
4. ????​​​​​​​​ — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
 
@AlexM. What if I just find crafting to be miserably boring? Am I stuck crafting armor that I don't want to craft, just to get my cheevos?
 
were you expecting an actual reply?
 
11:50 AM
@jalf It's cool. You can explain the rules in five minutes and it's quite fun. There's significant luck involved, but it's still fun if you're not a hardcore Eurofreak.
 
@AlexM. I'm not expecting anything. I'm asking you questions that I find puzzling about your stance. What you do with those questions is entirely up to you
 
I already gave you one
5 mins ago, by Alex M.
@jalf yes
 
<var name="buttonNumber" type="int" update="true" value="$buttonNumber + 1"/>
I just wrote this at work
 
I don't like plot-related achievements
 
The bastards.
 
11:51 AM
@AlexM. You didn't answer all the other questions I had
 
and you're asking me questions that I have no idea how are relevant
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you a World Class Certified XML developer now?
 
come on then @Pris
 
Yo, quick question: I have a header file and C file I'm linking together.
However in the C file it can't see the struct I defined in the header file. Why?

Sample:
// Header...
#include<stdio>
struct structname { ... };
// C Source...
#include "header.h"
void functione_name( structname ){ ... };

This works in C++, but not C, so what am I missing that needs to be changed?
 
@AlexM. You don't want games to have achievements for parts of the game that are (1) optional, and that (2) a player might strongly want not to play (such as being forced to be evil when you want to be good)
 
11:52 AM
Why are the Windows 8.1 fonts so blurry
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is done
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I need that joke post about C# xml syntax
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's IR in this case?
 
And yet you want achievements for other parts of the game for which the exact same thing applies. Such as crafting, or class-specific gameplay, or abilities that depend on plot or moral chocies
 
@jalf just 2)
I don't want plot achievements
 
11:52 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Which one was that?
 
Even though those things are also optional, and players might strongly want not to play those
 
the riddler trophies were fine
I didn't collect them because I was in just for the combat, I'm not a huge batman fan
 
@thecoshman Intermediate representation.
 
user3010322
@FatalSleep <stdio> is not a C header. It's stdio.h. Don't be a scrub.
 
I know, I quick typed that up.
Just a sample snippet.
 
11:53 AM
yay
 
<stdio> should be followed by </stdio> anyway
 
Ah, so your stance is really as simple as "there should be achievements for the parts of the game that I care about". It's not about "parts of the game that some players might refuse to play" at all
 
user3010322
Well thanks for your snippet without the errors you're getting.
 
Just like you should #desinclude </iostream> at the end of a file
 
user3010322
Let me just finish reading your fucking mind so I can figure out all your problems, and solve them for you.
 
11:54 AM
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Because there are huge portions of most games that many players will avoid, but which you still want achievements for
 
@jalf oh you're right, for a moment there I thought I wasn't expressing my own opinion
 
its time for bed. later yall
 
@ThePhD sorry, that's the only difference I fucked up on...
 
11:54 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae it's really not fun
 
@AlexM. For a moment, it sounded like you were talking about an objective criteria, about not forcing players in general to make choices that they didn't want to make
 
@BartekBanachewicz urgh
 
no, I wished games didn't come up with plot achievements making me choose paths that I don't want to
 
Here... happy?
// Header... header.h
#include<stdio.h>
struct structname { ... };
// C Source...
#include "header.h"
void functione_name( structname ){ ... };
 
But yeah, I understand, it is about not forcing you to make such choices. But games should still force others to make such choices
 
11:55 AM
> notice, not http servers
 
I did not want some sort of greater good for game achievements for the whole gamer population
 
lolwat
 
@jalf Nah, just general spoiled-bratness.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right... between Vulkan and the hardware? I just don't want to have to think about specific hardware. The option to take advantage is nice, but It should be opt in
 
@AlexM. And how are plot achievements different?
What makes them stand out as something that should be avoided?
 
11:55 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae yes.
 
user1804599
@FatalSleep Nobody is every happy with C code.
 
Heh.
 
1 min ago, by Alex M.
@jalf oh you're right, for a moment there I thought I wasn't expressing my own opinion
I've got work to do
 
Anyways, still curious why the structure isn't being seen by the C file.
 
user1804599
void functione_name( struct structname ){ ... };
 
11:57 AM
ITT you're not supposed to try to understand someone else's opinions.
 
> C
> structure
paradox detected
 
Like I said, for a moment what you said actually sounded general, like something game designers could actually take into consideration.
 
@райтфолд Thank you, that works. Any reason why the struct identifier needs to be provided though?
 
11:58 AM
@райтфолд Nice
 
user1804599
You need to add the struct keyword because C is terrible.
 
> Cries of help from the C++ cave
 
Ah.
 
E-mail subject from a friend.
 
user1804599
A common alternative is typedef struct { ... } structname;.
 
11:58 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't have to understand garden hone to shit on them.
@райтфолд ew, why C?
 
Awesome, thank you.
 
@райтфолд "That won't compile" - my C teacher looking at my screen a couple years ago.
 

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