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10:01 PM
"an atrocity and an abomination" - it's just as well i can't remember any of it :-)
 
user1182183
kinda wondering how many people use the second drive letter as Z instead of D next to C (i have C and Z in other words) ; p xd
 
I use D
 
My network drives start at Z and descend.
 
user1182183
C - plain windows, 40 gb, Z - user profiles, temp, files, program files, all other shit :P
 
user1182183
(yes I changed the windows user profile and program data dirs)
 
10:05 PM
plain windows - lol
 
user1182183
@TonyTheLion you get what I mean XD
 
I'll never get that.
But then, I don't reinstall Windows every week.
 
user1182183
just what windows needs to work
 
what won't you ever get?
 
user1182183
me neither
 
10:06 PM
who reinstalls Windows every week?
 
user1182183
@TonyTheLion I know a 10 year old who reinstalls every day
 
are you that much of a noob that you fuck things up every week?
 
@GamErix Are those in separate disks?
 
@GamErix a 10 year old - enough said
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes no xd
 
10:07 PM
@TonyTheLion Why people put Windows alone in some different partition.
@GamErix Then WTF do you gain?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes donno
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, let's say there exists such things like drivers and different computers, and I sync my Z drive with other friends when we are in a LAN party
 
mostly to have a sense of separation I guess
so that when windows dies or whatever, the other partitions are still easily accessible
 
user1182183
and I mean sync from , dunno what to call it, at least we bootup into a backup program
 
user1182183
not into windows
 
10:08 PM
@TonyTheLion To me, Windows only dies when the drive dies.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes me too, but not for noobs
 
You can sync fine without a separate partition.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes I only reinstalled once, but just because I was upgrading from home premium to ultimate
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes we did that until one of our stupid guys fucked up
 
What does that mean?
 
10:09 PM
what is a good name & design for a utility to copy a windows shortcut sans all the configuration info
 
Shortcut copy?
 
i thought about like "clean copy" or something?
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes trashed kinda the other laptop, making imposible to boot, selected wrong files to sync, dunno what it was, anyway I came up with this and we do this for 2 years straight and no one ever had a problem : P
 
user1182183
I download a game, they donwload some games, we sync with 1 gbit connections, voila, let's play : D
 
10:10 PM
I don't even want to know.
 
user1182183
and if it get's to serials or something, simple programs which generate random serials (not even valid ones) into the windows registry seem to work just fine
 
@GamErix aka cracks
 
Keygens aren't technically cracks
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz aka I open up regedit and just put a random number in it
 
user1182183
voila, CRACK
 
10:12 PM
They're just keygens
 
Ell
Yeah xD
 
You're still a scrub but hey
 
Ell
I think keygens are very clever
 
user142019
Reminds me of these good old titles of web pages
 
a crack mostly involves someone having altered the program they're cracking
 
user142019
10:13 PM
> serial keygen crack torrent
 
Reminds me of those good old titties of web pages
2
 
user1182183
@Ell I never knew how they work, still don't
 
Ell
I tried to make a keygen/crack once. I opened up Rpg Maker VX in IDA dissasembler and just went "oh... I need to know things :(" then gave up
 
@CatPlusPlus They still have those.
 
Reverse engineered key generation algorithm
 
user1182183
10:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus that much I knew : P just I never knew where to look for those algos
 
@Ell Yeah you usually need to know things to do things
 
@Ell Surprising, huh?
 
@CatPlusPlus Would you say they... cracked the algorithm?
 
user1182183
the only stuff I can "crack" is stuff in .net
 
@GamErix Try under your bed
 
Ell
10:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus but I can do some of the things without knowing the things!
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't even know how to add instructions and reassemble the thing
it's still something I want to learn but haven't got round to it
 
im off. gnight
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz I love you too
 
user1182183
gnight xd
 
@Ell That's not really trivial
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz night :)
 
10:15 PM
@GamErix I actually only think about you as a friend
 
Offsets change when you do that
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz friend zoned :(
 
cracking a piece of software isn't that simple an operation
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus Oh right yeah :/ never thought of anything like that
 
user1182183
 
Ell
10:15 PM
I thought it would be simple to decompile, add an unconditional jump, then recompile
 
So funny
 
@Ell erm... ahahahahah
 
user1182183
@Ell used ida with hexrays -> decompile to c file. I gave up before I hit page down the second time.
 
@Ell Well yes, if you disassemble and then assemble it again it might work
It probably won't if the program is serious about protecting itself
Checksum will change
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion obviously not making the crack that easy, but I thought said process wouldn't be so difficult
 
10:17 PM
Adding unconditional jumps or nopping jumps and so on hasn't worked in a long time.
 
Ell
I wonder how anti cheating with networks work
 
user142019
Using algorithms designed for the task.
 
@Ell yea it's not really that simple
 
Yeah don't try to crack todays DRM without cryptoanalysis knowledge/experience
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz I don't and I don't care.
 
10:18 PM
I've played around with creating exploits by reverse engineering stuff, and it's frecking hard.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg helpful
 
The days of if (!registered) are long gone
 
this ^
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion the only thing I did was write a trivial maths homework do-er
 
Ell
10:19 PM
I decompiled the .swf and found the "authentication code" generator, and now all I do is type in a url, get the associated auth code and bam, I gots no maths homework to do
 
Exploits are bit different, because you more debug the program than reveng it
 
yes, but reveng is a part of it, especially if you're looking for where to put the shellcode, in the case your original buffer isn't large enough
 
Ell
I tried to debug rpgvx but it wouldn't let me, a msg box came up saying shiz like "debugger detected, exiting"
 
you can't just do it blindly, and I did try, but failed
 
All the careful planning foiled by debugger detection
 
10:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. I dunno, I just happen to use indexing and so I try to index by charcodepoints. Doesn't, uh. Doesn't work out as well as planned. >_>
 
The greatest DRM there is
 
user142019
iTunes is not tracable using ptrace. :P
 
You're not trying hard enough
 
user142019
Modify and recompile kernel problem solved.
 
@ThePhD Wait, you "just happen" to index and don't know why you want to do that?
 
user142019
10:21 PM
XNU is OSS anyway.
 
It worked with char[]!
 
And it worked with std::string too. My previously library was written against std::string so suddenly things are... uh. Breaking.
Well, not breaking.
They're actually working, just...
.... reaalllly slowly... >__>
 
Why do you index?
 
user142019
Don't use std::string.
 
user142019
It's C++ so beh.
 
10:23 PM
Why would anyone need "the nth character"?
 
@Zoidberg Damn it.
 
user142019
Indeed, damn C++.
 
oh Zoidberg, I think you made your point a long time ago, please move on
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure. I'll clean it up right now.
 
@TonyTheLion He's too young. Give him time to grow up.
 
10:23 PM
@Zoidberg What else are you going to use in C++?
 
Yes. Even the Cat is annoyed by your rambling, and I was annoyed before by the Cat doing the same.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No. I gave him enough time already
 
@TonyTheLion ogonek::text?
 
Just let that sink in for a while.
 
user142019
ogonek::text or std::vector<char> depending on what I need.
 
10:24 PM
@EtiennedeMartel oh yes, use that
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not workable with MSVC just yet. ;~;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you talking to Zoidberg?
 
All the {} and using and q____q
 
Not the point.
 
user142019
lol MSVC
 
10:24 PM
ogonek::text doesn't have op[].
@TonyTheLion Yes.
 
Yeah, I realized.
 
@ThePhD sad_life.jpg
 
I'm annoyed too by Zoidberg's rambling
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Woa.
 
10:25 PM
I'll just make do without operator[]
 
user142019
Me too.
 
And more important, ogonek::text will not have op[], because it's useless.
 
but but
I love op[]
 
If you think otherwise, gimme a use case.
 
10:25 PM
Until then, no op[].
 
I think I use it for my dialogue engine, but.
 
I'm annoyed by anyone's ramblings. Especially when it's essentially "exaggerate the negative".
 
user142019
Access nth code point! :D
 
getting a char from the text at position index?
 
@TonyTheLion That's what the function does. Not a use case.
 
10:26 PM
@Zoidberg Get the underlying storage, use operator[] there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that's what you use it for
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel that's code unit.
 
@TonyTheLion Why do you need it?
 
lol
 
Well, there's no efficient way to get to the 'nth' codepoint.
 
10:26 PM
@Zoidberg Right, I alwats confuse these two.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just told you, in plain English, if you can't grasp it then I'm sorry for you.
 
@ThePhD There is with UTF-32.
 
@ThePhD There's also no need for it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, I'm beginning to realize that.
 
@TonyTheLion No, you just told him what, not why.
 
10:27 PM
Guess I need to junk all my index-based string iterations.
 
@TonyTheLion Here's a use case for ogonek::text::add_x_to_the_end_of_each_word: it adds x to the end of each word.
Don't ask me why anyone would need that!
 
Ell
I would get the nth character when I want to write a lexer, doing text[cursor], then maybe lookahead with text[cusor + 1]
 
@Ell You mean iterate?
 
user142019
Use iterator you scrub.
 
ogonek::text is iterable.
@ThePhD haha!
 
10:28 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Because you want to get a char or whatever at a certain position in the array
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yah xD
 
why else
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't laugh at me, I'm trying to grow up. ;~;
 
@TonyTheLion But why?
 
oh don't go there
 
10:28 PM
It's like the XY problem.
 
Somebody wants all the entire callback implementation I wrote for MSVC...
 
You're explaining a solution, not the underlying problem.
 
user142019
You want to select a range of text in a text editor.
 
user142019
Or check what is under the cursor.
 
@Zoidberg That won't work either.
 
user142019
10:29 PM
Oh wait
 
user142019
~~glyphs~~.
 
user142019
Text and typography y u so complicated.
 
Blame humanity.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You asked me why I would use it, I gave you an answer. You never asked me for the underlying problem with it
 
In either case, I'll just make op[] return the code unit at that index.
That way its consistent.
 
10:30 PM
@TonyTheLion Oh, right. Robot was asking you that, not me.
 
And won't break for simpler index-based stuff.
 
Ell
imho the [] shares many use cases with an iterator
 
@Zoidberg You do know the cursor's current position, no? And by that, I mean you saved an iterator to that position, no? (Which btw, happens to be more efficient than op[])
 
> Nor some bricks were shat
what?
 
Yay for iterators.
 
Xeo
10:31 PM
Nay for iterators.
 
Ranges
 
Gay for iterators
 
user142019
fmap or recursion.
 
You can select a range of text with ranges!
 
OOOH
 
10:31 PM
fap
 
It's like
magic
 
@Ell Lexers only require input iteration, far from random access.
 
user142019
Use LINQ.
 
op() will index to the code point
 
10:32 PM
op[] will index by the code unit
 
I like this system.
 
user142019
@ThePhD eww
 
@ThePhD I find both useless, but terrible naming makes a much worse API.
 
btw robot
 
10:32 PM
Bad API
 
@CatPlusPlus No shit.
 
:c
 
I came up with another code generator apart from LLVM
the null code generator for when you just want semantic analysis, e.g. name lookup
 
user142019
lol
 
?
@DeadMG Ah.
 
10:33 PM
so what's bad about operator[]?
 
Nothing. What's good about it?
 
Which one
 
It solves no problem.
The reason op[] does not exist in ogonek::text is because it brings no benefit.
All strategies for efficient random access involve saving iterators to the underlying source anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, you'd have to walk the text no matter what because Unicode is variable-width.
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
10:35 PM
wrong
 
Wrong how? D:
 
@ThePhD UTF-32 isn't.
 
Oh, sorry.
Variable-Width Encodings of Unicode are Variable-Width
._.
 
but if the underlying source is char* then you can do foo[] which is more direct then iterating through something, no?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not mine (although that only works for one specific data structure).
 
10:36 PM
8 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
This is a nice list http://www.macchiato.com/unicode/globalization-gotchas
 
@TonyTheLion But the result of that is not in codepoints.
 
@TonyTheLion How is it more direct?
 
you can't random-access through a variable-width encoding without a specific data structure that I invented.
 
oh yea, codepoints
 
It's the same thing!
 
10:37 PM
well, I more or less managed to get QtCreator to work with my msvc built Qt 5...compiles stuff. just can't run stuff from qtcreator because some stupid paths are missing
 
Jumping into the middle of the string without traversing it first has no use.
And if you traverse it first, you want to save iterators for the interesting positions for efficiency.
You are interested in positions, not numbers.
 
Ell
Is a "grapheme cluster" what most people mean when they say "character"?
 
Down with indices!
 
@DeadMG what's that? A runlength encoded "jump offsets list" into a byte array?
 
@ThePhD Unicode has no width
@Ell Hell knows depends on who says that
Normal people, probably
 
user142019
10:39 PM
@DeadMG maybe you can
 
user142019
with another data structure that has not yet been discovered.
 
Programmers are likely referring to a codepoint or code unit
 
@sehe A vector of vectors.
> The word character means different things to different people: glyphs, code points, bytes, code units, or user-perceived characters (grapheme clusters). Say which one you mean.
@Ell This.
In Slovak "ch" is one letter.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nooo. right?
 
user142019
In Dutch, "ij" is one letter. :)
 
user142019
10:41 PM
And in uppercase it's IJ and not Ij.
 
> Always use "shortest form" UTF-8. (1) It's the Law. (2) It reduces security attacks.
What does that mean?
 
@sehe It's like a deque, but the pieces are of fixed size in codepoints.
 
I should practice Cyrillic
I still have trouble distinguishing characters, I feel retarded
 
Ell
In english "a" is one character
 
@CatPlusPlus If that makes you feel better, I don't know how to understand Cyrillic at all.
 
10:42 PM
Stop being Anglo-centric.
 
@EtiennedeMartel just call it a thing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I read it for the first time ever on Monday
 
(Would help if I knew a language that uses it)
 
user142019
Cyrillic is easy.
 
@EtiennedeMartel UTF-8 can encode stuff in so-called "overlong forms". For instance 0 can be encoded as either 0x00 or 0xC0 0x80. The latter is invalid by decree, i.e. the algorithm works fine with it.
 
user142019
10:43 PM
It's almost as easy as Hangul.
 
It's pretty much Latin alphabet only with different letters
 
user142019
Hangul is the best and most logical alphabet.
 
@sehe No, it's more like a deque.
 
@DeadMG I was hoping it'd be
 
The most problematic thing is cursive-written letters
 
10:44 PM
Cyrillic cursive is weird.
 
user142019
Many letters in Hangul are similar to the way you shape your tongue when pronouncing them in Korean.
 
They apparently pride themselves on really good calligraphy
While I never gave two fucks about it, so my Latin letters are indistinguishable from each other sometimes
Now switch to a different alphabet and what you write is literally write-only
I started to make dashes between letters so I could read them later
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
Try doing that in hangul.
 
I wish Japanese split up its collection of words differently.
 
Ell
10:46 PM
What is cursive?
 
user142019
Italic.
 
The groupings for the words is strange, I haven't quite figured it out yet.
 
Hand-written text
 
@Zoidberg I have a feeling it's Ij in titlecase.
@Zoidberg lolwut
 
user142019
Ij is really fugly.
 
Ell
10:46 PM
Right, "joined up letters"?
 
@Zoidberg Your brain is italic
 
user142019
(I think Ij is even wrong in all cases.)
 
Lol.
I change my Path code to separate paths based on iterators now.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, that's what they call it in Dutch :P "cursief".
 
7x Magnitude increase in speed.
+1 Iterators
 
10:47 PM
Russian has fairly easy phonetic system though
Sans accenting
Which is totally random
 
Nooooo, IntelliSense, why do you leave me right when I need you?
 
And I can't for life accent in any language I know, at least conciously
 
user142019
The IJ (lowercase ij) is the digraph of the letters i and j. Occurring in the Dutch language, it is sometimes considered a ligature, or even a letter in itselfalthough in most fonts that have a separate character for ij the two composing parts are not connected, but are separate glyphs, sometimes slightly kerned. An ij in written Dutch usually represents the diphthong . In standard Dutch, and most Dutch dialects, there are two possible spellings for the diphthong : ij and ei. This causes confusion for schoolchildren, who need to study lists of words with ei and with ij. To disting...
 
user142019
Beautiful.
 
@Zoidberg Italique.
 
user142019
10:48 PM
Italy.
 
Cursive, also known as script, joined-up writing, joint writing, linking, running writing, or handwriting is any style of penmanship in which the symbols of the language are written in a conjoined and/or flowing manner, generally for the purpose of making writing faster. However, not all cursive copybooks join all letters. Formal cursive is generally joined, but casual cursive is a combination of joins and pen lifts. In the Arabic, Latin, and Cyrillic alphabets, many or all letters in a word are connected, sometimes making a word one single complex stroke. While the terms cursive or s...
 
@Addy Erm. You'd write a functor as you would anywhere else: liveworkspace.org/code/3WNsqN$0 (also edited post) — sehe 1 min ago
^ help I'm feeling leeched. On a spirit question... That's a first
 
But seriously look up how мш looks in cursive
It's just random amount of lines strung together
 
user142019
It's wonderful how so many Dutch people get the T-rules wrong.
 
user142019
It's literally the most basic and simple rule in Dutch ever.
 
10:50 PM
Most native speakers don't give a shit about rules because they don't need them
 
user142019
People tend to think it's the D-rules instead of T-rules.
 
user142019
It's annoying, unreadable and confusing.
 
@MooingDuck With a note that your letters will never look like that
 
@CatPlusPlus My non-cursive doesn't look like TimesNewRoman either, I asusmed it went unsaid.
 
10:52 PM
 
Oh, yeah, the other day someone was complaining about pIdaQ (Klingon script) not having a cursive form.
 
Image not found.
 
user142019
Image not found
 
@CatPlusPlus IMF
 
Look at dem letters
 
10:53 PM
 
Oneboxer is bad click it
 
user142019
 
@CatPlusPlus Sexy letters.
 
I see Pi in there.
I guess Mysticial would like Russian.
 
ΠΌ is 8th
 
10:53 PM
@MooingDuck what the fuck is up with that lowercase r
 
@melak47 hey man, I didn't invent it (also, see z and G)
 
@melak47 That's how I write it.
 
@melak47 It's designed to be written without breaking the contact of pen with paper
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg wtf
 
user142019
10:54 PM
Most beautiful alphabet ever.
 
@CatPlusPlus except for i, t, j...
 
@Zoidberg rune?
 
You're literally not supposed to break contact for entire sentence
 
user142019
@sehe Hangul.
 
I should have clicked for url :)
 
10:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus word. and still gotta dot and cross after.
 
Not sentence, word
@MooingDuck Yeah you should add those after finishing the word
 
@Zoidberg Of course you had to go and fetch something obscure.
 
I don't do cursive k, w, or ys, though. I grew up without those in the alphabet.
@MooingDuck People often do that in the end.
@EtiennedeMartel Hangul is not obscure. It's for Korean.
 
user142019
I never wrote cursive since fourth class of elementary school and we learned writing in third class of elementary school.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shiiiit.
I should have known that. Damn.
 
user142019
10:56 PM
My handwriting is readable instead of cursive.
 
@Zoidberg Third?
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can read!
 
Cursive sucks
 
I learned writing in first grade.
 
Yaay, my commits are getting tinier~
 
user142019
10:57 PM
Well, you're from Portugal.
 
I learned writing way before school
 
user142019
Things are different there.
 
user142019
Also, what age does elementary school start there?
 
we were taught cursive but I could never do it properly
 
user142019
10:57 PM
Dutch start at four so yeah.
 
but here in England everybody does cursive all the time, basically.
 
I was taught Cursive early, but I never liked it.
Print ftw.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same here.
TIL Dutch education is lazy.
 
user142019
Dutch education is crazy.
 
user142019
And very bad.
 
10:59 PM
lazy-crazy-bad.
 
user142019
s/Dutch e/E/
 
user142019
Time to sleep.
 
user142019
Goodbye friends and everyone.
 

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