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5:00 PM
Downvoting answers because they were posted for the sake of repwhoring is futile at best. A downvote costs less rep than an upvote gives, and if the post gets deleted it's time wasted anyway
 
It's Tomalak, he downvotes everything.
 
If people want to post answers, and the answers themselves are okay, that's their problem (not that I'm saying Joey has a problem)
That's all. Nothing actionable there
 
He's already at +13 anyway. The -2 really didn't do anything.
Yes, please i have no programming skills — Vitalie 7 hours ago
lol
that was his reply to a "please give me code" comment
 
@Rapptz I'm almost tempted up-vote simply for being aware that he can't code! All too many who can't code fail to recognize the fact.
 
"+1 please consider another profession"
@Zoidberg I have an obj-c Q for you when you're around
 
5:16 PM
Guess what crashed again
 
Chrome?
 
@CatPlusPlus Visual Studio
 
Lol
A good guess @sehe
 
ugh. my guitar keeps unscrewing
 
5:25 PM
Ahhhn, look at all the stars I can see~
I can even see that Xeo wants to set up laser towers against noobs~
It's wonderful~
 
Xeo
@ThePhD The fuck that thing has 11 stars now.
 
I know, it's great. x3
 
@Xeo it's a brilliant idea
 
Xeo
@ThePhD You do acknowledge that if we'd define "newbiness" as inversely proportional to rep, you'd be pulverised too, right?
 
hahahah
newfags cannot avoid lazors
 
Xeo
5:29 PM
@ScottW Nah, almost 2k isn't bad
 
over 1k is ok
 
;~;
Why
 
Xeo
It's like an inverse exponent. You get out of the newb zone pretty fast.
 
Why would you lazr me?
 
Kill everyone not being annoyed by flags
 
5:30 PM
@Xeo Yes -- it's really inversely proportional to the square of rep.
 
I started to write sensible answers after 1k
 
I luffs you all so mawch. ;~;
@BartekBanachewicz I write sensible answers now!
 
Xeo
Do you actually write answers?
 
Not writing answers is sensible
 
@Xeo he has like 8
 
5:31 PM
Before, I only had like
2
See? Progress! :D
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Says the one with almost ~900 answers.
 
my recent history shows 6 zero-score accepts
 
@Xeo And no questions!
The moral of the story is: Cat knows answers to all questions.
 
god damn cat! fucking shitting on the floor, right next to the damn tray!
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I'm still not sure if I should be happy or sad that I'll never have "tumbleweed", "tenacious" and "unsung hero". :(
 
5:32 PM
@ThePhD How many of litb's questions has he answered?
 
@thecoshman "Oh, you wanted me to shit in this Tray? The one right here? Noooo, clearly not!"
 
Xeo
@thecoshman It's mocking you. Like @Cat.
 
@Xeo I doubt that I will get unsung hero ever
 
@JerryCoffin None I refuse to play along
 
What's special about litb's questions?
 
5:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus Whereas I refuse to play ashort.
 
Something's afoot
 
Anyone know of any freeware ISO creators without the 300MB restriction?
 
@ThePhD Many (most) are exceptionally difficult.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus afloat would've been better.
 
But it doesn't matter, because soon we'll be abreast of the situation.
 
Xeo
5:34 PM
@JerryCoffin Or simply trick questions.
 
@ThePhD They're all damn quizzes and tricks
 
Lol. TIL: litb best Standardese Lawyer
 
@ThePhD Pretty good, anyway. Not sure about best though.
 
@JerryCoffin hahahahaha envious jerry
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe that belongs to @Luc and all his template meta-meta wankery?
 
Xeo
5:36 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not every single one, I think.
 
@Xeo Showoff
 
Xeo
:3
 
I'm tired
And I still have PE class in two hours
 
Xeo best Template Variadic Master.
PE ?
 
Xeo
Bad combination.
 
5:37 PM
It's ping-pong but still
You need to be awake
 
Tired ping-pong.
 
Xeo
You can just sleep on the table.
 
Just flail your limbs.
 
Xeo
Be the net!
 
@CatPlusPlus <3
 
5:38 PM
Feel the racket be the racket~
 
@BartekBanachewicz Evious? No -- I've mostly chosen not to play that game much anymore. I was thinking of (for one example) Howard Hinnant. Of course, he has the advantage of having written many of the parts of the standard he lawyers about. Some might call that cheating.
 
I've realized today that I would actually prefer to write code in Haskell than in C++
 
@BartekBanachewicz they got you
 
More or less because of this omg standards. It's just... the language should be "invisible"
I am coding a program, not using a language
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz So you want a GUI to drag-and-drop programs together? Like a visual shader editor? :P
 
5:41 PM
@Xeo no, I was rather leaning more to functional programming
Also, I've realised that there's a lack of good C++ libraries
 
A good artist learns to use the medium to make amazing things
 
besides boost, most of them are either totally bad, or in plain C
Any other language translates the C into specific idioms; in Lua, socket uses lua idioms.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, can't refute that.
 
@Xeo Well, please work it out so I know how to feel - I have all three of those badges.
 
Xeo
@MartinJames lol
 
5:43 PM
And we're in the totally weird position where in theory, we can use easily all of C libraries, but in practise they are hard, inefficient and uneasy
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz *inefficient
 
Because no one is translating C libraries to C++ properly
And that makes me sad.
 
Xeo
Well, because "why would you, you can already use them!"
 
@Xeo and we are back to
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
And we're in the totally weird position where in theory, we can use easily all of C libraries, but in practise they are hard, inefficient and uneasy
In Lua/Python/Haskell(?) I just load the goddamn module and it works
 
Xeo
Also, I have written something in Python today just because it's easier to interface with the OS. :| import os, done.
 
5:45 PM
yeah.
 
Lol.
Superior abstractions make coding a lot easier.
C++ needs to pick it up.
 
not mentioning Microsoft doing totally wrong thing extending the language instead of making good libraries
 
true, the days of needing the low level performance you get from C++ are numbered
 
@ThePhD we are talking about lack of those in libraries
 
Xeo
Also, I needed a fast turn-around time, since I wanted to see the effects fast.
 
5:45 PM
@Xeo Seriously.
Using OpenGL and DX,
 
Well, VS has edit-and-continue
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Wat
 
the turnaround time is garbage unless you write Garbage code
With globals and hodgepdges of shit everywhere.
 
Xeo
"effects" as in "what the code does"
 
@ThePhD do you write in any script language?
 
5:46 PM
Ooh.
 
Xeo
Oh, you wrote "using", not "use".
 
and eventually games will realise that good game play is more important then photo realistic graphics
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really. My closest exposure has been ActionScript 3 and C#, but those don't really count.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Ahahahaha
 
@thecoshman no.
 
5:47 PM
@thecoshman Silly @thecoshman. :3c
 
hello sirs
 
Graphics are what pull people in in the first place.
 
anyway, I don't see what can be done about it
 
Or repulse people. Video Games are still a visual medium, in the end.
After making core gameplay good, graphics need to work out.
 
First of all, saying to developers "if you library is in C, I'm not going to use it from C++" might be a good place to start
 
5:48 PM
@ThePhD game-play is what keeps them there
 
And paradoxally, if C++ doesn't drop C support, it can make the things worse.
 
@ThePhD notice how you said 'after gameplay'
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz "And instead, I'll reinvent the wheel!" - it's a spiral of death, and I think Wide will have the same problem unless @DeadMG writes a whole shitload of libraries, because "you can just use the existing libraries".
 
Yeah, but the Video part is equally important.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Not to me~
 
5:49 PM
If TF2 went with its original brown, dirty, shitty metric and visual look,
it would have never sold ever.
 
@Xeo that's the point. You can't. So if the library dev wants to make such library usable from C++, then he should make a C++ version. SFML is done that way. It has C++ version and a C version
 
@thecoshman At least IMO, low level performance was only ever an almost-accidental side effect of C++'s design. The primary deterrent to good performance in many other languages is a simple inability to express a simple design in a simple fashion. To that extent, C++ works because it does stay out of the way (to at least some degree).
 
Sharing C++ code is also monumentally more difficult.
 
@ThePhD what do you mean?
 
Making .libs and .dll's play together in C++ is waraghaghahgagaghsgashg.
 
5:51 PM
@ThePhD you mean TF1? take a look at CS 1.6 worse graphics then source, yet more fun to play
@ThePhD that has nothing to do with the language and you know it
 
@thecoshman SC2 is much better than SC1. That's not an argument
 
@ThePhD ooh that
@BartekBanachewicz more complex mechanics, not better graphics
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Notice how I place the quotes.
 
@thecoshman ummm??
 
Yeah, the graphics didn't really change from SC2 to SC1.
I mean, they were more or less touched up.
 
5:52 PM
...
 
With new shiny particle effects.
But it wasn't a whole new revamping of every single unit and all that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz SC2 is a better games because of better game play, not better graphics with more sparkles
 
@ThePhD dude.
@thecoshman but it also has better graphics. Graphics is orthogonal to gameplay, duh
 
right
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey man, those SCVs and Zerglings still look pretty similar on the map.
 
5:53 PM
I made a large mistake with Wide.
 
@ThePhD um no, they don't
 
I think that it'll be OK, but, I might have to do a lot of work.
 
they look better <- know the word?
 
I never considered the needs of IDEs and such when building my parser and whatnot
 
@Xeo i think that you agree with me, correct? I was bashing the quoted text
 
Xeo
5:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
 
for example
my analyzer
 
@BartekBanachewicz but you did not need the graphics to make the game better. if the SC2 graphics where the same as with SC1 you would still play SC2 because it has better gameplay
 
Xeo
@DeadMG The puppy admitting a mistake? No way!
 
if you're doing code completion, you want to know what's in a module without code generating it first.
so I need the fourth-stage flexibility.
LLVM code generation isn't the only possible output.
 
@thecoshman Dota 2 has exactly the same gameplay as 1 but it has better graphics, and it's played by a few dozen times more players than 1
 
5:55 PM
it doesn't have the exact same game play lol
 
and what I also need to do is attempt to build such a thing for myself.
 
your argument is stupid anyway
 
else I'll never know for sure that I have something which can be useful.
 
graphics don't predetermine if a game is good or not and those who set it as a precedence when choosing a game is stupid
 
right
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman but it also has better graphics. Graphics is orthogonal to gameplay, duh
RTFC
 
5:56 PM
Yeah, but it can maatteerr. :C
 
No it doesn't matter you noobs
 
It doooooes.
 
As if you people would never play an older game from PS1 or N64
 
@Rapptz who are you calling a noob?
 
Its graphics are shit yet you still would play it
You and ThePhD
 
5:57 PM
@Rapptz nobody is saying otherwise
 
I wouldn't on account of needing some crappy specialised hardware
 
@Rapptz But I would flip a table if something with N64 polygonated graphics came out for a system today.
 
@CatPlusPlus PC emulators work fine.
 
@Rapptz please scroll up and read my posts, because obviously you haven't done that
 
PC games work better
So whatever
 
5:58 PM
I don't really care about your posts though.
 
I'm not saying just the Graphics are important, but the aesthetics matter too. D:
 
@ThePhD Granted, first impressions matter.
Hey there's a relevant Extra Credits here.
 
@Rapptz why the fuck are you calling me noob then if you aren't reading what I say in the first place?
 
@Rapptz Which is why almost all advertisements for games back then were hand-drawn by artists.
 
5:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz because I'm bored
 
They realized if they put actual N64 graphics or PS1 graphics as a screenshot or advertisement they'd get fucked.
@Rapptz I refuse to let you and @EtiennedeMartel make me watch that ExtraCredits stuff.
 
Anyway as long as the game is fun I don't care.
 
@Rapptz then go take a walk, and refrain from posting things just to piss people off
 
I was born in this hole without it, and I'm gonna die in this hole without it!
 
@ThePhD depends how fun a game is to play. look at FTL, shit 2D graphics, but great game play.
 
5:59 PM
@ThePhD Extra Credits is amazing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because you're a noob regardless :v:
 

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