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7:00 PM
That makes sense. Maybe I am thinking of the "I built my own computer" gamers.
 
even then, they don't know shit about the hardware.
it's easy to build your own computer.
I mean, literally, they're built to be as idiot-proof as possible.
every component only goes in one slot.
 
Perhaps so, but if that is true, they are mightly opinionated over something they don't know about... kind of like most macs perhaps?
 
wtf are you talking about?
 
@DeadMG except power and the little jumpers
 
@DeadMG But if it doesn't fit for some reason, there are enough idiots that will try to make it fit no matter what. Like putting DDR1 RAM in DDR2 slots.
 
Xeo
7:02 PM
People maybe know about the rough hardware specs, but they know nothing about the hardware itself.
 
the only thing gamers care about is performance, and that's easily objectively measured by a benchmark of several currently popular games.
they don't give two shits about cache or architecture or any shit like that as long as it plays the games they want to play as fast as possible for the price they're willing to spend.
 
@FredOverflow Did you know that USB fits snugly in an ethernet port? I didn't either
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck I know - because I've put it there before and wondered why shit was not working. :(
 
@MooingDuck So do RJ11 phone connectors.
 
7:03 PM
I'm lurking
 
@Xeo My wife was afraid to plug things in, and I told her that it was easy and she could do it. Now that her fears have been confirmed, I have to plug in the printer for her :(
 
Xeo
No, you've spoken, you're not lurking anymore.
 
@TonyTheLion "This page intentionally left blank."
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck lol
 
@MooingDuck ...now I have to test this
 
7:04 PM
@JerryCoffin that is actually the most hilarious thing to see in a book, but if they don't put it there, people probably wonder why they have blank pages
 
@TonyTheLion Undoubtedly true.
 
Why DO they put them there?
 
@user190929 I just said it
 
@user190929 way to read
 
I'm always right, except when I'm wrong
 
Xeo
7:05 PM
@TonyTheLion Although it's always a paradox, because now the page isn't blank anymore.
 
@Xeo "next page intentionally left blank"?
 
Xeo
lol
 
"no ink was used for the next page"
 
So someone, at the last minute, in a review meeting, has somewhere to write 'Para 3.1.1 is complete garbage and should be ignored'.
 
I am confused what I was supposed to be reading.
 
7:06 PM
@MooingDuck "pages 3, 28, 199-202 intentionally left blank"?
 
I meant, why do they leave blank pages, not why they write text on the blank pages
 
"pages 3, 28, 199-202 unintentionally left in the copier"
 
Xeo
@SamDeHaan yeah, just put it in the index. 184 ... The great cascade | 199 ... blank | 203 ... ...
 
@user190929 Because it's cheaper to ship books that are of a certain number of pages.
 
@user190929 Mostly two reasons: sometimes to give more opaquity so something doesn't show through as much. Sometimes to keep from having to renumber pages when something got edited shorter.
 
7:07 PM
@Xeo Ah, the anal sex by accident phenomenon.
 
@Xeo "199 ... blank | 202... really blank"
 
lol "really blank"
 
Xeo
@user190929 They do, they put "this page intentionally left blank" there.
 
@FredOverflow lol
 
Ah. That makes more sense.
 
Xeo
7:09 PM
@FredOverflow What a way to pull the message out of context, run it through a recycler, and recreate new matter out of it.
 
@Xeo you know, a machine that performs this action has a name
 
@Xeo Isn't that a lie?
 
it's called @FredOverflow!
 
Ell
Hey
 
Xeo
4 mins ago, by Xeo
@TonyTheLion Although it's always a paradox, because now the page isn't blank anymore.
 
7:10 PM
though really it isn't a paradox, it's just incorrect.
 
@Xeo Once more, I'm late to the party :( Can I have a Cuba Libre?
 
Xeo
Man, I really need to buy a new mouse. Not having right-click is kinda annoying.
 
Mac or broken mouse?
 
amazon.com -> mouse -> buy -> profit
 
7:11 PM
@Xeo Yet another reason to boycott apple.
 
user142019
@user190929 Mac mice have right click these days.
 
user142019
You have to enable it, but well who cares.
 
yeah, that joke is a few years old
 
I mean as in touchpads.
 
yep, it's still there
 
user142019
7:12 PM
Mac trackpads have right-click too.
 
Ell
Isn't it two finger click?
 
Oh. What is it?
 
0
A: Happy 4th Anniversary, Stack Overflow!

DeadMGI'm sorry but you epically failed with this. I received my game and three Stack Overflow stickers. Three? Seriously. You have to send just one. Now I can't stick them on my case and use them as a counter as to how long I've been continually awesome, because last time I had one and now I have thre...

 
user142019
@user190929 Push down the bottom-right corner after enabling it.
 
it's the right bottom corner of the trackpad, duh?
 
7:13 PM
I think I prefer more... "normal" buttons.
 
user142019
@Ell in Windows. :P
 
...you're really reaching for there to be something wrong at this point.
 
@BoltClock lol, so like the puppy
 
@DeadMG You received stickers?
 
cause he's a high rep user
unlike me :(
I'm almost at 20k though
what an achievement
 
I think I have 26...
 
1
Q: double-nested class forward declaration inside a template class

yurialI'm got "15:14: error: too few template-parameter-lists" when compiling next code with g++ 4.6.2 1 template <class T> 2 class A 3 { 4 public: 5 class B 6 { 7 public: 8 class C; //forward declaration 9 }; 10 class D 11 { 12 //using B ...

da fuck?
 
@user190929 yes you do
 
I am 26
years old
 
@TonyTheLion Congratulations. That's 3 more than me.
 
7:17 PM
congrats
 
@EtiennedeMartel You're younger than me?
what
 
@TonyTheLion @EtiennedeMartel It's OK, I'm younger than both of you
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah.
I always tend to be amongst the youngest in any group I'm part of.
It's weird.
 
@TonyTheLion Whippersnapper!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well you're not the youngest here, Cat and puppy are younger than you.
 
7:19 PM
@TonyTheLion I said amongst.
 
@TonyTheLion what, dick move?
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion Why not Zoidberg?
 
user142019
Also Ell.
 
Oh, right, how could I forget that Zoid is still a child?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm sorry if I tickled your inner pedant.
@Zoidberg valid question, to which my only answer is, because puppy and cat
@EtiennedeMartel yes, how could you forget that?
 
7:21 PM
TIL: Windows hides the actual CLOSE message if you're just streaming messages with GetMessage.
 
what is that meme with that long sentence that's not coherent at all?
 
It's buried in about 3 dimensions of WndProc calls, and never gets reported to GetMessage.
 
@StackedCrooked Three.
 
So I'm probably going to have to go about collecting events differently...
 
7:23 PM
@ThePhD as I recall WM_CLOSE is a sent message, not a posted message. i.e. it doesn't go through the message queue.
 
@ThePhD huh? how does the message get to your WndProc if not through GetMessage TranslateMessage DipatchMessage?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf ohh...right. so you post a QuitMessage to your own message queue, which you can then Get or Peek or whatever
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yeah. WndProc sends it through its default DefWindowProc, whichmeans it never bubbles out into GetMessage.
 
@ThePhD why does your WndProc do that, then? :p
 
Which means I need to grab events from the WndProc, rather than the GetMessage loop.
 
@melak47 well, the effect of WM_QUIT is to make GetMessage return 0, whence the message loop ends. after that you can just continue if you want...
 
7:25 PM
@melak47 It's the default behavior.
 
@ThePhD the default behavior is to pass it to DefWindowProc?
 
@ThePhD there is a nice little API for subclassing, i think in shell32.dll iirc
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was always surprised when I have a classmate that's older than I was
 
When you click the close button, it doesn't POST a Close message to your message queue.
It handles the NCLBUTTONDOWN message,
and then sends a CLOSE message to your Window.
NCLBUTTONDOWN gets logged by a simple GetMessage loop.
But CLOSE never makes it outside of the WndProc
 
@ThePhD so? you could post the close message to your own queue from your wndproc if you wanted :p
 
7:27 PM
@melak47 Or, I could just collect messages at the WndProc level.
And save myself some agony.
 
i remembered it wrong, it's in [Comctl32.dll]. but anyway very nice. :-)
 
@ThePhD Well, it makes it to GetMessage in a way -- but when GetMessage sees it, it returns 0, which (normally) breaks the message loop.
 
@StackedCrooked What.
 
7:35 PM
Not kidding.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf gives new meaning to the term "sidecar".
 
You were part of a sect?
 
Well, evangelical church is a sect by definition.
 
Do they hurt their members?
 
7:36 PM
Because I think that's the basic property of a sect.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, we had to swallow molten iron daily.
 
@EtiennedeMartel All churches hurt their members. Sects just do so in less accepted ways.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@JerryCoffin I don't think so.
 
@TonyTheLion That's not a joke btw.
 
7:38 PM
brussel halle vilvoorde in twee
ahahahaha
@StackedCrooked it's funny cause Geert Hoste
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf is it a bad ripoff from theoatmeal?
 
@BartekBanachewicz dunno. i ripped it from facebook
 
@TonyTheLion yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not a ripoff. Both sites were created by the same guy.
 
@StackedCrooked what?
 
7:40 PM
@TonyTheLion ok, that was a joke
2
 
@EtiennedeMartel i see no crosslinks nor the references, so it seemed fishy
@EtiennedeMartel k, nvm
 
@BartekBanachewicz You had to venture a little bit further.
 
Found it. Phew.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, Tony is quite slow today.
 
7:41 PM
it seems
 
I burped loudly
 
I gave no fucks loudly
 
@DeadMG What exactly is not widely used ? And what is shit and what is a bug? — icepack 17 mins ago
 
@DeadMG Nice.
 
dude is pretty oblivious to CS and programming
 
7:42 PM
noobs
they suck
because that's an essential property of being a noob, sucking
 
@TonyTheLion you're welcome
 
> Freescale's CodeWarrior technology has earned a worldwide reputation for offering high-quality development tools.
HA HA HA HA
 
Oh god
 
Xeo
WHAT
 
7:47 PM
CodeWarrior?
 
Xeo
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT
I worked with that shit AND IT'S DEFINITLY NOT HIGH-QUALITY
Fuck, I'm raging from the memory alone.
 
Fun fact: CodeWarrior is the official devkit for the Wii.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Guess why I worked with it. :|
For fucking 6 months.
It was such a PITA that we decided to go ahead and do the PC emulation.
 
@Xeo We still have some horrible shit lying around in our engine as remnants of the time where we had to support that fucking console.
Even if we don't support it anymore.
 
Xeo
Luckily, Nintendo seems to have had a similar insight and have a working emulator for PC.
@EtiennedeMartel Hey, nothing against the console.
 
7:49 PM
@Xeo I'm talking about it from a development point of view.
It's a fucking pain.
 
Xeo
Oh, yeah.
 
@Xeo Here's the truly terrible thing: I used in years ago on the Mac. Despite how awful CW is, Apple's tools were even (quite a bit) worse.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin My condolences on all accounts.
 
So, whenever I ask "why is that made in such a crappy way?", the answer is usually "because of the Wii".
 
@Xeo ...and some people wonder why I sometimes sound old and bitter.
 
Xeo
7:51 PM
I'm certain the Wii is no reason do have the IDE be a crappy POS. :|
 
@ThePhD Don't remind me. I had to work with that in 2005-2007.
 
@JerryCoffin You're old 'cause you say you're 48 on your profile, duh. More than double my age
 
Xeo
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Code Warriors Anonymous [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
@BoltClock You have things backwards: my profile says I'm 48 because I'm old.
 
Xeo
@BoltClock How old exactly are you?
 
7:52 PM
@Xeo Turned 21 early this year
 
Xeo
Gah, you're younger than me, even
Btw, you seem to have stuck around for some days - how do you like it here?
 
Wow, you're all a bunch of old foogies.
Get young.
 
@Xeo Here as in Lounge<C++>?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Get rep.
@BoltClock Aye
 
You guys are often said to treat moderators like dirt... I haven't gotten any of that lately. Even though I dropped by earlier today to handle your flags
(and kinda stuck around because I figured why not)
 
7:57 PM
So wait, you had to use CodeWarrior to dev on the Wii? o_O;
 
we're usually nice to moderators.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Yes
 
we just don't like Meta and the site administration in general.
 
Xeo
@BoltClock The first part is wholly dependent on the moderator in question, I'd say. :)
 
Why did Nintendo partner up with a shitty development maker like CodeWarrior?
 
7:58 PM
they ignore every feature request to do with chat, they do their best to interfere in our little community, etc.
 
Xeo
Take Shog or Tim as an example. Shog even lurks in here.
 
@DeadMG That clears it up for me. I was never familiar with the situation at large
I see you guys validated casperOne too to some degree
 
@BoltClock They'd get a lot more credit around here if they actually did anything useful, from our perspective.
 
Feb 21 at 21:22, by casperOne
I got a star in Lounge<C++>. My work here is done.
 
instead they spent all their time whining and changing the CSS a bit
 
Xeo
7:59 PM
@BoltClock That seems to have been a case of gross miscommunication, aka both parties talking on different lanes, but on the same side. Somewhat.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Yeah, like taking shadows from the tags. :|
 
I mean, not moderators, they're generally useful and helpful people.
 
@Xeo Great minds think alike
 
I'm surprised to hear that we have a reputation for being rough on them because I rarely see such things
 
8:00 PM
I notice the tag CSS hasn't changed in chat though
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Eh, there have been rather.. escalatory cases before, IIRC
 
@BoltClock Yeah. Not only do they waste their time on pathetic CSS changes instead of useful features we could actually use, but they can't even get it right.
 
@DeadMG I guess we generally get into disagreements
Good god it's 4 am here
 
Xeo
@BoltClock Yeah, I know that time well. Good buddy. But we had to come apart, it was destiny. Work got between us. It ruined our relationship and we rarely see each other anymore. :(
 
:(
 
Xeo
8:03 PM
 
@Xeo Woo congrats
 
Xeo
And finally double digit gold badges (well, as soon as that badge gets awarded).
 
My two Great Answers aren't all that great really 1 2
 
Xeo
@BoltClock But just today, after a long time, we had a chance to meet again. Needless to say, later when getting up for work I was smashed.
Yeah, today. Not yesterday. Ugh.
 
@Xeo Cool. Congratulations.
 
8:12 PM
...
An error message with the answer.
That's so broken. xD
 
guys, did this change in C++11? stackoverflow.com/a/1613383/893693
 
@bamboon very slightly
 
@BoltClock I thought one of mine was pretty good, but there was obviously some disagreement on that.
 
> locked by Sam Saffron Oct 5 '11 at 0:55
> deleted by Sam Saffron Oct 5 '11 at 0:55
Deleted immediately after a historical lock? wut
 
delete . historical_lock
 
8:16 PM
@bamboon padding is now zero initialized in zero initialization
 
@BoltClock Didn't make sense to me either, but what do I know?
 
@BoltClock oh yeah, people are idiots btw
 
"To value-initialize an object of type T means: if T is a non-union class type without a user-declared constructor, then every non-static data member and base-class component of T is value-initialized;"
 
@MooingDuck ah ok, thanks for the info
 
8:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel So?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think thecoshman just covered that pretty well:
2 mins ago, by thecoshman
@BoltClock oh yeah, people are idiots btw
 
I can hardly believe a user with <100k rep got it right. +1. — H2CO3 53 secs ago
so little faith
 
Ahahahahaha
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
 
@Collin flag it!
 
@Pubby What do you want me to do, remove the "+1."?
 
8:20 PM
@Collin Isn't that a duplicate?
 
It doesn't bother me, I just thought it was funny
@EtiennedeMartel Of course
 
@BoltClock heh, I dunno
 
99
A: How to drive C#, C++ or Java compiler to compute 1+2+3+...+1000?

XeoUpdated Now with improved recursion depth! Works on MSVC10 and GCC without increased depth. :) Simple compile-time recursion + addition: template<unsigned Cur, unsigned Goal> struct adder{ static unsigned const sub_goal = (Cur + Goal) / 2; static unsigned const tmp = adder<Cur, s...

 
43% of my failure is because of using an index into an interator...
 
What's so great about 99 votes? ;)
@ThePhD WTF is an interator?
 
8:23 PM
iterator*
Sorry.
It's for my strings.
 
user142019
@ThePhD No shit Sherlock.
 
It won't give you multiple great answers for bouncing between 99 and 100, right?
 
@Collin Nope, neither will dropping back to 99 take it away and re-award it at 100 again
 
Apparently getting the character at [] using my DecodeIterator slows my process down by an order of magnitude of like,
7.
 
@Collin Nope, we tested this a few weeks ago :(
 
8:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Gonna need your help for this one, it seems. @__@
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow D:
 
In the meantime...
I'm gonna like
...
I dunno
Actually sleep and stuff
 
You could drink.
 
hi
 
Not 21 yet, but
We have the most impressive
wine collection ever
All kinds of wines, rums, etc.
 
8:27 PM
Right, so youuunnng.
 
Like, 10 of the bottles are old aged Haitian rum.
 
And/or living in such a prude country.
 
@ThePhD because that has stopped any college student ever
 
Xeo
Who removed the upvote on my answer. ;_;
 
@Xeo Satan.
 
8:27 PM
@Xeo What answer?
 
Xeo
Whatever! I got my badge! Nobody is taking it away from me!
 
aww only 99 now :/
 
@melak47 100 now.
STOP,
SHOWA TIME.
 
whoa, qt 5 didn't require any source tampering to get it to build with vs 2012
 
I thought you were like 21-23 PhD
 
8:33 PM
@Rapptz people that age don't shower where you're from?
 
I am lost.
:(
 
nvm
 
hmm
how le fuck am I going to implement scoped code completion?
 
> Two new Java zero-day vulnerabilities reported to Oracle
lol
again
 
Ell
8:38 PM
How do you keep todo's with your code?
 
@Todo
 
//TODO:
 
@TonyTheLion another day another java exploit
 
Ell
how about general project stuff?
meh I'll just make a todo file and keep it in version control
 
Issue tracker in the repository
or a todo.txt or in the readme.md
 
8:39 PM
@Ell bug tracker, or your todo file is fine
 
@Ell Write an email to yourself with TODO as the subject, and then reply to that email in regular intervals ;-)
 
Ell
@FredOverflow haha I would if my email wasn't as inconvenient as hell to use xD
 
sudo apt-get install thunderbird
 
pfft. sudo apt-get install msoutlook :p
3
 
user142019
lol
 
Ell
8:43 PM
thunderbird is still as inconvenient as hell
 
user142019
pacman -S chromium && chromium http://gmail.com/.
 
I use gmail personally.
 
MS Outlook sucks
 
Want to see terrible, try the win8 mail app
 
@Ell ///@@@ TODO MOOINGDUCK OMG FIX THIS (I write my real name, not MooingDuck, but...)
 
user142019
8:47 PM
Apple's Mail still rules them all.
 
@Ell namely, searching for @@@ never has false positives.
 
user142019
I use // TODO: and // FIXME:.
 
Ell
heh. I think my git repository has no branches
 
@Ell create one
 
user142019
If it's not an empty repo it has at least a master branch.
 
user142019
8:50 PM
@ScottW Java is not similar to C# but the selected answer says it is.
 
user142019
Downvote into oblivion.
 
user142019
Downvote the question into oblivion too.
 
@Zoidberg C# 1 was quite similar to Java.
Arguing with homophobes on Twitter: what a waste of time.
But I like wasting my time, so it's okay.
 
does anyone know how to install an msvc built qt for use with qt creator?
i.e. what paths does it need in my PATH to not shout "qt not properly installed, please run make install" at me :/
 
Does anybody here know the Java standard library?
 

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