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12:00
@Gordon you used monolith git repos right?
use github
upload the first version
then upload the second
and compare what changed
Or just git diff --no-index two paths :)
lol indeed haha
@Jimbo You can't force everyone to follow a standard. Even if we did, having stuff like this is just not worth the time. :P
Anonymous
All new faces in the election, do we have anyone from this room running for mod?
12:05
Maybe even diff nix command itself
Anonymous
!!wotd
litotes: understatement, especially that in which an affirmative is expressed by the negative of its contrary, as in “not bad at all.”
Standards ... 4 spaces or 1 tab ... The battle of a century
Anonymous
4 spaces and 1 tab, that's how real men do it
I think i saw somewhere that 4 spaces use fewer bytes then 1 tab
lolwattothemax
but 1 tab is faster to type hehe
Not only doesn't that make sense it's also a useless metric :P
@Fabor is that your roommate's cat?
12:08
Negative.
@PatrickSimard wait, do you think people who use spaces actually hit the space bar four times to indent?
just sharing a kitty :P
Sorry for the usless metric, "4 spaces use less space then 1 tab"
OK added comment @JoeWatkins. What you need to know is that (imho) that PR is not ready to merge because it is fundamentally flawed.
also, it's "than". the word you're looking for is "than"
12:10
ah yeah ... no idea why i keep using then ...
Than -> makes more sense lol
Have you guys watched the series Halt and catch fire?
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They talked about tabs and spaces in season 1
@DaveRandom that's somewhat what I concluded too, but it's quite annoying…
@bwoebi I have literally 2 seconds ago come up with a solution
@DaveRandom oh? :-D
not a nice one, but one that does not involve breaking BC or creating a new function
@DaveRandom may you detail it?
12:15
a third, optional by-ref out param to stream_socket_enable_crypto() that indicates WANT_READ or WANT_WRITE
(sorry for low speed, I'm trying to do like 9 things at once)
I don't like it, but it doesn't break BC and it would solve the problem
It might break ABI though
not sure
not properly looked
that set_option() internal API is horrid
@DaveRandom yea … it does pretty much all the things…
@HassanAlthaf Like I said, it's not forced. It's entirely optional. It's additional functionality for those who want to use it, and doesn't affect BC
@PatrickSimard But in Github I'll have to find it manually
posted on July 25, 2017 by kelunik

- Fixed HTTP body consumption.

@bwoebi it can be done without it, but it would definitely be better to add a new member to php_stream_xport_crypto_param.outputs
I assume that the inputs and outputs structs were put in there in the first place to allow for something like this
since outputs currently only has one member
ugh, someone just fucking emailed me a 40MB excel spreadsheet :-/
12:29
Not from gmail then
I can't see that it would break abi
Well it would change the layout of that public struct, does that not count as an ABI break?
what public struct ?
php_stream_xport_crypto_param
what the fucking fuck is that ?
12:31
@JoeWatkins let's just go with "awful"
oh I see, set option shit ...
streams are so terrible, I hate them very much
An alternative is to add new possible value for outputs.returncode for that operation, but that would break the semantics of that value
tbh I suspect this is a moot point, I would be very surprised if anyone is actually using that struct for anything other than what's in php-src, but rules are rules...
"xport"?
12:34
transport
I have no idea
paying by the letter now?
It gets better, the file that deals with transport in ext/openssl is called xp_ssl.c
is it possible to redirect to another url with adding custom headers[ here i want to add Authorization header]
pretty sure that's something to do with windows dude ... even if it isn't, best to avoid it, just in case ...
12:39
@Linus No
internet jesus could do it ...
I'm finding I'm using reflection to keep public API's nice and clean and not expose loads of setters. Bad practice or not?
:P
Anonymous
Could someone tell me how the rainbow elephant promotes diversity? I do not understand.
A redirect is a response to the client. That client makes a new request to the new location @Linus
12:40
@JoeWatkins baby internet jesus or zombie internet jesus?
As such it's up to the cliient to add the header to the new request
Anonymous
@rlemon dude, stop ignoring me, it's really important.
zombie internet jesus could do it while eating your brains, babies are less reliable ...
whenever I have to choose between zombie and baby, I choose zombie, for reliability ...
@JayIsTooCommon then say something of substance :D
Anonymous
@JayIsTooCommon that's a really stupid question ...
Like that happens
@PeeHaa actually i want to redirect user after login when login button some api is called and i get now i am confused if token is not present in header how i will make conform he is authenticated.... /me is very much confused here
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins Why is it? I don't understand something. So I've asked people, who may understand, to explain it. Sounds logical to me.
@Linus Are you implementing oauth?
12:42
yes
v1 or v2?
@JayIsTooCommon why?
@PeeHaa dude, stop ignoring me, it's really not all that important
@PaulCrovella huh? I am?
Anonymous
@rlemon I'm trying to prove my popularity by faking it.
12:43
@PeeHaa v2
a better question is how do pride colours, or celebrations promote diversity ? and I don't think you really need to ask that question ... another question is, is it worthwhile to attempt to do the same things in our community that the pride colours and celebrations do for the world at large ? this is a more sensible question that can't be immediately shot down ... but the answer is yes, to what degree, who knows, is an elephpant the thing to do it, who cares ...
@PaulCrovella Sorry missed it :(
I think there was some ticket somewhere about strlen. Need to find it and see what's said over there about it
the better question is why did PHP choose an Elephant to begin with? elephants are huge, slow, and in modern language is a metaphorical idiom for an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss
could have picked like a badger or something cool
in the absence of absolutely anything else, I'll take it ...
12:45
😉
also rainbows are pretty
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins I don't think my question could/should have been immediately shot down. I'm still intrigued as to how it promotes diversity. There's no point in shooting someone down for trying to understand something better.
user6845426
How can I convince my boss not to use a PHP framework...
@rlemon they can also kill you without expending any effort at all, just completely by accident ...
@JoeWatkins and that's a positive feature for a language ;)
12:46
@Linus ok. What happens broadly is as follows. Use authenticates using the external api. You get an accesstoken back to make requests on behalf of the user. Store the accesstoken in the session of the user (or in the db whatever you need). After that if you want to make api requests on behalf of the user use the session variable.
Anonymous
your response is like that of a politician. 'Could you tell me why this is that?' 'Well, why is that this? A better question would be...' that's not what I asked.
@JayIsTooCommon They also provide scholarships and travel and stuff like that
Anonymous
see, straight answer. Logical and to the point.
@JayIsTooCommon well okay, but that's an answer to the question "what is the money raised going to be used for?" which is just another question you didn't ask ...
why are you being combative, it's me ?
@PeeHaa I worked on projects small enough not to warrant a second repo, if that's what you mean
Anonymous
12:50
@JoeWatkins because I already know the answer, iirc it was clarified in the kickstarter that all money would go to producing the elephants? I might be mistaken there.
@Gordon Nope. Thought you worked on yuuuuuuge git repos. nvm :)
@PeeHaa if you are talking google/fb size monorepos, then no
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins I'm not meaning to be combative, sorry. (you prick) :B
Not that size :P Somewhere in the middle I guess
@JayIsTooCommon maybe read the words I wrote again, and organize your thoughts ... you just said I answered like a politician, and that @PeeHaa directly answered a question you didn't ask because you knew the answer ...
12:51
12 mins ago, by Jimbo
I'm finding I'm using reflection to keep public API's nice and clean and not expose loads of setters. Bad practice or not?
@PeeHaa nope. But maybe I can still help with the question that you want to ask
@Gordon got an opinion on this my OOOOOO friend?
@Gordon yes sorry. Don't ask to ask :P It's rather a general question too :D
@Jimbo bad.
I am new here. Forgive me
12:52
shit
New chat room, who dis?
@JayIsTooCommon you got DM
@PeeHaa ok will ping if get in trouble thanks btw :)
Is there a way to check out part of a git tag in a directory @Gordon?
@Linus np
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins I was joking about @PeeHaa ... And yes, I don't understand your response. I am literally just trying to understand how it promotes diversity. That is it. An innocent question that you shot down.
12:54
@PeeHaa Yes.
@Jimbo it might be appropriate though. you didnt give much details. in general when I hear reflection in prod code I think "bad"
Anonymous
@DaveRandom boom, that's what I was after. Thanks, now I understand.
@kelunik git checkout tags/tagname /path?
what do I do when I select a method and do "Find usages" and phpstorm can't find anything? weep?
@PeeHaa No idea, but there's a way.
12:54
:P
Anonymous
@PeeHaa thought you were joking about scholarships... I get it now.
@JayIsTooCommon True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.
I am not. I know somebody personally who it helps :)
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Q: Download a specific tag with Git

Jack BeNimbleI'm trying to figure out how I can download a particular tag of a Git repository - it's one version behind the current version. I saw there was a tag for the previous version on the git web page, with object name of something long hex number. But the version name is "Tagged release 1.1.5" acco...

12:55
@JayIsTooCommon so you're asking what qualities an elephpant has the helps to promote diversity, or what qualities the rainbow has, or what mechanics are used in order to promote diversity using an elephpant or any other rainbow coloured vessel ?
@JayIsTooCommon you're not the first person to ask the question, I only know because Mark told me in person, it's frustrating that it can't be just put on a website somewhere :-/
@Gordon That just does a tag checkout?
Not a specific part of it
@PeeHaa then IDK what you wanna do and likely also dont know how to do it
kk np :)
the first two are genuinely stupid questions ... the latter is not totally stupid, but you don't need to focus on elephpants or rainbows, or diversity ...
12:56
anybody know about beyond verbal api?
evenings o/
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins i was referring to the campaign as a whole, I could have clarified that. Either way, Chris has answered.
@Kaori \o
Anonymous
@DaveRandom Yeah, without it, it comes across as a money grabbing scheme imo. Must be massively frustrating for him.
@JoeWatkins ftr I told him the same thing I told you on 2nd Nov 2016 (check your twitter DM history)
12:58
oh well fwiw, I questioned the same kinds of things when it was first announced
@JayIsTooCommon Now I am wondering what @DaveRandom sent you and whether I should send you a DM too :)
Anonymous
@PeeHaa it was nudes.
@Gordon In this domain, a budget can be converted from a "DailyBudget" to a "SharedBudget". Internally, for the external API to work, this SharedBudget must then have it's id set to exactly zero. I'm trying to encapsulate this without allowing the user to change any ids because it's not the concern of the domain, so I'm using reflection in DailyBudget::convertToSharedBudget() which constructs and returns a new SharedBudget to set this id to zero.
It can also be null according to the docs (and is by default) so null and zero are hidden away
@DaveRandom I can haz too? :P
@JayIsTooCommon @PeeHaa diverse ones
12:59
@dipper Tell them they'll have to hire PHP devs, and they're shit.
why would they hire shit php devs?
Statistical chances.
urm, ask any node dev, all php devs are shit
s/node/{insert language here}/
13:01
there ya go, sell 'em on node instead.. or rails or whatever
@Jimbo and why does that need reflection?
@Gordon Because id is a private property on shared budget
I think we've all seen far too much of @DaveRandom's flesh already in this room.
Though he does have a diverse picture of him in a skirt floating around.
@DaveRandom dude, I just heard you can float ... you must tell me how ?
:P
Damn developers.
13:03
I thought he stopped floating last year
@PeeHaa git cat-file -p tags/v2.0.1git cat-file -p d7bd9c657b3114e462a3f092e3aa341f6db261f1 shows you the tree object hashes.
maybe the special skirt is broken ...
2 days ago, by DaveRandom
@PaulCrovella I'm creating my own IEEE 754 with blackjack, and hookers.
@kelunik hmmmm
Will chec
2 days ago, by DaveRandom
@PaulCrovella I'm creating my own IEEE 754 with blackjack, and hookers.
13:04
May 31 at 18:57, by Dejan Marjanovic
And it sucks because @DaveRandom sucks
1
A: Can I checkout a tree object in git?

seheTry git read-tree 4b825dc642cb6eb9a060e54bf8d69288fbee4904 or somewhat cleaner git read-tree --prefix=rescue --index-output=/tmp/rescue.index b825dc642cb6eb9a060e54bf8d69288fbee4904 to have it put in a subfolder (rescue). Be sure to check what the tree refers to, it might not be the reposi...

I dunno why we didn't think of this before, here we all are wasting our time typing out each message when we could just search history and find something roughly equivalent to what we want to say ... we need never type again ...
2 hours ago, by DaveRandom
correct
Jul 18 at 8:11, by Joe Watkins
yep :D
16 hours ago, by brzuchal
this works without error
13:06
yesterday, by Kaori
it does
Jan 9 at 13:43, by PeeHaa
BTW I just reliazed that lions are pretty amazing and that I want one
Apr 18 '16 at 9:47, by Joe Watkins
what are we doing ...
Mar 10 '14 at 9:15, by Dark Ashelin
I'm saving time with it, that's all
Aug 8 '14 at 9:14, by Fabien
Let's not let it drag too long.
Anonymous
Jun 22 at 10:44, by Joe Watkins
my nephew is ginger, gay, and, tiny ... he had it pretty rough ...
Anonymous
13:08
Jan 8 at 22:27, by DaveRandom
I totally got the wrong end of the stick there
May 19 '12 at 7:47, by Sam
lol.....true; but don't you automatically get some sort of extra points after reaching some points?
user1897253
Ayo guys, i've been wondering, php7.2 will be supporting Argon2 but only if compiled with the --with-password-argon2 option, This is because the core devs didnt want to bundle argon2 (because libargon2 isn't available on all distros yet), But libsodium will be a CORE package in an upcoming release, and libsodium has Argon2 hashing support, couldnt they just use libsodium to do the Argon2 hashing?, or does libsodium also rely on libargon2?

Very curious about this, and since i couldn't find an answer i decided to ask.
Mar 9 at 9:32, by Gordon
<<< c-c-c-combo breaker >>>
Jul 15 at 17:32, by Wes Stark
achievement unlocked: killed conversation
Jul 17 at 6:03, by Joe Watkins
the combo must continue ... long continue the combo ...
13:09
@Jimbo make it protected?
39 secs ago, by Kaori
Mar 9 at 9:32, by Gordon
<<< c-c-c-combo breaker >>>
Anonymous
Dec 20 '15 at 16:02, by Madara Uchiha
Dude, seriously
3 hours ago, by DaveRandom
what the everloving shit
Jul 1 at 12:48, by NikiC
@WesStark nooooo
13:12
Oct 17 '16 at 7:12, by Wes
new game!
May 23 '14 at 11:58, by Fabien
dot dot dot
Is a blastoise a black tortoise?
Jun 27 at 15:49, by DaveRandom
will play
I couldn't find one for that question ^
Jan 25 at 9:38, by Trucy
1 min ago, by Gordon
51 secs ago, by Joe Watkins
21 secs ago, by Dejan Marjanovic
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
Anonymous
13:14
Mar 28 '14 at 15:57, by Fabien
shitlord
Sep 18 '15 at 9:45, by DaveRandom
Quiet you
Dec 16 '16 at 19:42, by PeeHaa
it's just so much fun
Jul 19 at 6:38, by Joe Watkins
what are you doing ?
Jul 21 '16 at 6:03, by Joe Watkins
can't get out words fast enough to be useful, ^that also
May 28 '16 at 20:53, by Jeeves
Dunno.
13:16
Apr 30 '11 at 11:25, by Robik
You call it fun?
10 hours ago, by Wes Stark
i'm not sure to be honest how you call it. flu?
lol that escalated :P
Jun 30 at 15:38, by Ekin
stahp
@Kaori HAMMERTIME!
Anonymous
Apr 5 at 12:40, by JayIsTooCommon
you suck @PeeHaa
13:18
2 days ago, by Ocramius
@Jeeves shut up
@PaulCrovella I didn't know you a few days ago.
huh lol
Nov 4 '13 at 20:38, by PeeHaa
Can we stop the spamming pretty pleeeease :)
Feb 10 '14 at 12:54, by DaveRandom
Perhaps you'd prefer this. Or this.
I have desolate-falls-8387.herokuapp.com/?data=PEEHAA+SUCKS open in one tabe but don't know where it is coming from :P
13:19
Mar 3 at 8:00, by Trucy
TMI
Anonymous
Jul 30 '14 at 14:50, by Jack
Damn you, stupid squares!
@PeeHaa ooh that's one of mine
I totally forgot about it
22 hours ago, by PeeHaa
<3
yesterday, by Trowski
Another option that I have no idea why it exists…
lol
Anonymous
13:21
May 12 at 6:49, by Wes
get a room you two
what is going on
Anonymous
17 mins ago, by Joe Watkins
I dunno why we didn't think of this before, here we all are wasting our time typing out each message when we could just search history and find something roughly equivalent to what we want to say ... we need never type again ...
Anonymous
Feb 11 at 12:04, by Terminal-JS
Thank god for that.
Jul 20 at 15:15, by Tiffany
dammit
Jul 21 at 5:39, by Paul Crovella
this is why god invented summer camp
May 18 at 16:31, by Tiffany
I need to go do something productive before I laugh myself to tears further... and someone questions what I'm doing
Oct 15 '10 at 7:49, by pestaa
I hope we'll be able to exchange a couple of PHP-specific ideas here. :)
Anonymous
13:26
Jul 4 at 7:18, by Wes Stark
shut up gordon
Feb 14 '15 at 22:57, by Andrea
oh god why
what we are playing?
May 31 at 12:13, by PeeHaa
Yeah that worked out...
Jul 8 at 16:44, by Kaori
Game of Turds
Anonymous
Sep 21 '16 at 8:45, by PeeHaa
You are all crazy
13:28
Jun 3 '15 at 13:19, by DaveRandom
I resemble that remark
Jul 2 at 11:11, by Wes Stark
just slightly crazy
Jun 7 '13 at 13:48, by NullPoiиteя
you dont say
Anonymous
Aug 15 '13 at 16:11, by Simon _eQ
lets talk about php for a moment.
Anonymous
Jul 21 at 14:32, by Florian Margaine
@DaveRandom it all sucks, do it all over again
Oct 27 '16 at 15:10, by tereško
@PeeHaa nobody has time for that pagan shit
13:32
Nov 5 '14 at 17:26, by Danack
darmok and jalad at tanagra
for sake of all that's squishy, what the fuck is this degeneracy ?!
Anonymous
yesterday, by PeeHaa
Because PHP...
21 hours ago, by JayIsTooCommon
@tereško your hair looks really nice today.
May 12 '11 at 16:21, by Kamil Tomšík
user image
27 mins ago, by Joe Watkins
I dunno why we didn't think of this before, here we all are wasting our time typing out each message when we could just search history and find something roughly equivalent to what we want to say ... we need never type again ...
13:35
this behavior stopped being funny about 25 minutes ago
Anonymous
Jul 21 at 14:18, by JayIsTooCommon
bore.
What's a really simple and preferably free recommended bug tracking software?
Anonymous
Yeah i'm all for stopping too
Anonymous
fun while it lasted. I couldn't find a 'fuck you @JoeWatkins' so it was pointless
@Fabor redmine?
Anonymous
13:37
@Gordon Who are you voting for in the elections?
Anonymous
There is no one I know to vote for, but I still need that shiny badge :)
also things like gitlab have built-in facilities for issue-tracking
@tereško I will take a look cheers :)
@samayo I randomly select people
the question is whether what you need is bug tracking or bug reporting
@Gordon he meant the SO elections
13:38
if some error is logged in productions how do you track it ?
Anonymous
@Linus logs?
they're big, they're heavy, they're wood
@tereško Just something to write out our work too. Log all our problems/fixes/patches/additions etc.
In that case I really would go with GitLab, since you would probably want to integrate it all with your git activity
Furry muff thanks
13:41
@JayIsTooCommon yes,but can't keep track of it all time,i means if error logged get email or notified with details error ....
Anonymous
@Linus error tracking software :)
Anonymous
I would recommend NewRelic, or you can make your own.
okay uh, controversial opinion but Laravel is nice
I mean it's just like any other MVC framework
but it's nice
if I had to write something tomorrow I'd probably use Slim or whatever
13:42
@JayIsTooCommon thanks will give a try
however…
Blade is really nice, it's a lot better than Twig. I'll use Blade in future if that's like, a thing you can do outside Laravel
get your pitchforks here: ----E
Clearly you didn't have to touch a database
we used an ORM :/
Anonymous
I think the community counteracts any niceness
13:43
Clearly you didn't use eloquent
Anonymous
@Andrea I'm agree with you.
Anonymous
Laravel is a nice framework, better than that crap Symfony.
okay but here's an agreeable Laravel opinion: 1) it has no documentation and 2) this is a bad thing
@Andrea are you trying to cause me an aneurysm?
lol
Anonymous
13:44
@samayo you sound like a Laravel Developer.
@tereško what'd I do
@tereško and I answered that
like seriously why does Laravel not have docs
@Andrea because they break everything on patch releases
13:46
“but Andrea, Laravel has documentation! look at the site!” no, it has a list of non-comprehensive examples
@tereško I am not getting it
... also it's probably maintained by the same sort of people who did codeigniter and yii dics before
@Andrea we would never ask you to look at that site
@Andrea Which is often way better than actual API docs.
@kelunik sometimes, but it's non-comprehensive
13:47
@Gordon the implication was that you do that in the "real world elections"
@kelunik I mean I appreciate it from a tutorial perspective, but it's… not great as someone trying to figure out how to do specific things with existing code
It should exist, but it should also have like… reference documentation
@tereško heh, and people complain about my dad jokes
i don't :P
@Andrea not sure why would you need to use any framework at all
you yourself said that you can use both Blade and Twig without any
what else would you need? Routing? That's not a problem?
@tereško PHP's basic APIs are bad
13:51
DIC? Laravels approach is a clusterfuck
I like the Slim DIC
@Andrea you dont need a framework to get a Request class
@tereško well… true, I could do that myself, I just don't feel like reinventing the wheel
You could also pick one of the existing ones on Composer ...
as for Slim's DIC (I actually encountered it a week ago), I have two issues there:
1. it is extremely easy to abuse (to extent that, if I only know, that a perspective project uses Slim's DIC, then I would avoid it
2. it didn't seem sustainable for a large project
@tereško what bothers you about it?
13:56
There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery
@Andrea 99% of people, who encounter it, will start using it as a service locator
@MadaraUchiha you just missed some interesting conversation we had... :(
@Kaori Oh?

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