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2:00 PM
Dang
you better be well compensated
 
@DaveRandom :D
 
If I worked 90 hours, i'd be...exactly the same compensated as if I worked 40! :D
YAY SALARY?
On the other hand, I don't ever work 90 hours, so!
 
I am still working hard..
 
@AlmaDo Build something cool.
 
@Fabien me? cool? nice joke
 
2:10 PM
 
lol
 
(:
 
d:
 
2:17 PM
@Fabien ^^ (:)
 
Omg is he serious ? How come he doesnt know foreach doesn't iterate over objects ?
just asking... O.o
 
:15541380
class Foo implements Iterator {/* ..*/}
 
@ShankarDamodaran it could ?
 
@HamZa Why not ?
 
2:28 PM
@DanLugg hehehehehe
 
@DanLugg I used kill -9 first time ..
 
Good morning
 
Hah. killnine used to be my internet handle long ago, in my wannabe hacker days. :D
 
Yay, I has a use case for Late Static Binding, and it doesn't involve anything with the word "static" in it :D link
(apart from the static:: call)
 
I didn't think you could override a constant...
 
2:34 PM
is using traits in your unit tests a good idea?
 
@ShankarDamodaran foreach can iterate over an object
 
@HamZa please don't do that, and please don't recommend people doing that
 
@Jimbo "doesn't involve anything with the word "static"" ... "except where I used the word "static" literally"
 
@HamZa, That is what I am saying... :)
 
@DanLugg Yep, lol
 
2:35 PM
@ircmaxell Oh I wouldn't, I just thought he said it was impossible. Anyways, what would you do ? json_encode and then json_decode($json, true) ?
 
@HamZa, Check the screenshot ;)
 
(array) $obj... or foreach (get_object_vars($obj) as $key => $value) {
 
@ircmaxell thanks, learned something new :)
@ShankarDamodaran Oh, that user might hate PHP. He's a regular in room 10 (C++)
 
@HamZa, oh :D didnt know that
 
@ircmaxell what if the object already implements \ArrayAccess?
 
2:45 PM
@hohner I think you mean Iterator
 
@DanLugg sorry, i meant \Traversable
 
@hohner lol, that too.
 
i wish SPL interfaces had better documentation :(
 
pce
maybe i don't get the point, but you can iterate over public members of an object without cast or extending ArrayObject or implementing an iterator interface ( php.net/language.oop5.iterations#68764 ).
 
@hohner you can't implement Traversable, it's abstract
later, home run
 
2:54 PM
@hohner thanks for volunteering. :)
 
@salathe i submitted some docs patches a while back using the online edit tool, and it took like 2 months for someone to review it
 
@hohner Great. Thanks for volunteering. :)
 
@salathe so what you really mean is: "there isn't a problem with community involvement. attempt to fix it or don't complain about stuff"
 
@DanLugg Weird. (:)
 
@hohner then you iterate directly
but iterating an object that doesn't implement Iterator/IteratorAggregate is just a bad idea
 
3:00 PM
@hohner Don't put words into my mouth, please. All I am saying is, thanks for volunteering.
Complain all you like. We do!
 
@salathe Pff, I've never complained about anything in here.
Not once. Ever. Especially not about PHP.
 
@DanLugg LOL
 
Mar 13 at 1:26, by Dan Lugg
Fuck PHP with a cactus.
^^ Must have been a different "Dan Lugg"
 
The one with the beard
 
Yea. That bearded bastard.
 
3:05 PM
Can't trust them bearded people
They're always hiding something
 
In their beards.
 
In the beards in their beards.
 
@hohner If you do have more specific feedback to give (even in complaint form), thoughts or questions, then my inbox is always open!
 
man, kinked my neck sleeping, and now cant turn it right at all
 
@ircmaxell that sucks, i've had it before. Took me about 2 days to recover.
@DanLugg Ronception
How can your pillow betray you so badly?
 
yeah, I'm getting on a plane in a few hours though, so :-/
 
I'm surprised that gif hasn't been binned yet.
 
Horse tranquillisers should balance you out -_-
 
@DanLugg → 1 message moved to bin … now happy?
 
@bwoebi Oddly, yes no I don't know.
 
3:21 PM
@ircmaxell If you have time, a hot bath or a heat pack available from most chemists are the most effective things for a bad neck.
 
To v-prefix, or not to v-prefix? Specifically, tag names.
 
I don't v prefix.
 
I don't want to; have until recently. Experienced any issues @LeviMorrison?
 
Nope.
 
It appears semver.org removed the section about VCS tag names; I dunno why.
 
3:26 PM
My take on it is this:
A tag indicates a particular version, so adding the v is just redundant.
 
^^ Agree.
 
3:53 PM
@Danack yeah, unfortunately I can't, as I'm at work, and will be heading to the airport before long
 
@ircmaxell It certainly has very little chromatic aberration - what lens is it?
 
rotfl
 
shitlord
 
3:58 PM
:D
 
Le me fixing bugs in some legacy application:
 
@ircmaxell Yeah - you can see the detail in the buildings materials, which - to me - makes the picture more interesting.
 
@Danack I kept that in mind. So thanks for the input!
flickr.com/photos/ircmaxell/13460477235/in/photostream <-- the other one, a bit wider angle
 
JLA
Hello everyone
 
4:06 PM
> To modify the list of file extensions, simply invoke the functions with the new list of file extensions to use in a single string with each extensions separated by comma.
^^ SPL Y U NO ARRAY?
 
Hola a todos!! como estan PHPeros!! Heeeeello everyone.... such a greatful day
 
@DanLugg no-one uses that anyway
 
@ircmaxell Hmm, you have the horizon at the approximate middle of the picture - having it offset usually produces a 'stronger' picture.
 
@DanLugg Much of the SPL was written a decade ago, things were different then.
 
@Danack offset down in that case?
 
4:08 PM
@salathe Right, arrays weren't introduced until 5.3.
 
meaning so that less sky is visible (for framing of that shot)?
 
@DanLugg totally!
 
@salathe ;-)
 
@ircmaxell yeah - cropping the sky down a lot - there's not a lot going on in that area of the picture, so cropping it gives more area to the bits of the photo that have stuff going on.
 
@Danack Well, will keep that in mind next time. I'm making the explicit choice to never crop or post-process in any way. So :-)
 
4:11 PM
@DanLugg eheheheh
 
REST-Api naming: How do I name actions performed on a server?
 
@johnny Name them after smurfs.
 
(since verbs aren't "allowed")
 
And I love this Canon 6D. I've noticed the quality of what I've been shooting is way up. Before, I was publishing about 1 out of every 150 pictures I took. Now I'm up to 1 out of 50, but not because I didn't like the other 49, but because I didn't want as many "duplicates" or very similar shots...
 
@salathe ohh.. thank you!
 
4:13 PM
@johnny Make up an HTTP verb EAT /shit HTTP/1.1
 
@ircmaxell PHOTOSHOP ALL THE THINGS!!1! Obviously it's your own choice, but I think all the software processing is just a tool - so long as you're not introducing anything new into a picture, I don't think it's cheating. Also the phrase I should have used for not putting the horizon in the middle is "the rules of thirds" - google.co.uk/…
 
JLA
hey, can anyone help out with a mySQL query problem I am having?
 
@DanLugg really? you mean instead of GET/PUSH/..?
 
@Danack Oh, I'm not knocking it. I'm just making a choice. I see tons of awesome pictures that are so obviously tweaked, that I think there's something extra special about getting it "from the camera". Cropping and exposure tweaking are likely fine, but drawing a hard line is just easier than cutting that edge...
 
Putting the horizon even closer to the edge of an image that 1/3 of the picture can produce quite dramatic effects.
 
4:15 PM
@johnny PUSH?
 
EHHM put
post etc
 
@Danack The only problem with that scene was that there wasn't much interesting happening below. So I would need to crop...
 
@johnny I was just kidding really.
 
@ircmaxell I like the picture as it is... just enough of the sky, not too much, just right.
 
@DanLugg you got me
 
4:18 PM
@iroegbu thanks! I can definitely see the room for improvement. I'm taking it constructively. Especially as I travel to different places and take more, skill goes up. So as long as I'm willing to understand there's more to learn :-)
 
Golden Ratios
 
@ircmaxell I know what you mean - I just grew frustrated as there's a lot of things that I like to photo, that look fantastic to the naked eye, which the camera just can't capture very well in one digital image. eg. this vs this So I tend to swap between heavy processing and just crop and brightness/contrast adjust.
 
@Danack Yeah, that's fair. What I try to do in those cases is use the camera's features as much as possible. So I'd try in-camera HDR for a scene like that. Not as effective as post-processing, but still... yeah, you know what I mean
I have nothing against post-processing. And I likely will for the right photo, but not to publish on flicker/photos.ircmaxell.com... Those I want to try to stick to this "no-post-processing" mantra/challenge
 
STAPH!
BEEER TIME
 
4:35 PM
Stop, collaborate and listen
 
Stop, hammer time.
 
@ircmaxell It is quite pointless IMHO to not post process as it's already "processed" image.
Fixing "imperfections" is fine.
Adding lens flare is not.
 
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm trying to challenge myself to not fix imperfections after the fact (to do so prior to capture)
 
I like some imperfections. Like cracked wood.
Personality
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
4:39 PM
@Fabien yeah
 
50mm f1.8 is the best lens ever
 
@ircmaxell i know you touched on it earlier, but why is foreaching over an object a bad idea? because iterators offer more granular control?
 
1.4 is even better of course
 
@webarto I dunno, I'm completely hooked on the Zeiss 50/1.4... Manual only, but such character. The photos almost look "3d", they just have a pop to them
 
And you missed focus a lot :P
1.4 is damn expensive (Canon)
 
4:41 PM
@hohner because it's not clear what's happening in general (if it implements iterator, if not, etc)
@webarto I've taken about 100 shots with it so far, and only missed focus on about 1 or 2...
 
How do you like 6D?
 
absolutely love it so far
the only "problem" I've noticed is autofocus isn't the best for fast action
 
I think Nikon is better there, more focus points and what not, but I'm out of the date.
 
yeah, they definitely have more points
But aside from fast action, I've never had a problem getting accurate focus
and considering I don't normally shoot action...
 
Edge case probably :) You're not sport photographer or anything, also L lens would perform better :P
I have 550D, and will never ever buy 3 digit one... 20D is much better for "real" photos.
 
ThW
4:47 PM
I like my 650D :-)
 
I take it because it's much lighter i.e. compact(er) than 20D.
@ThW That's good too :P
I'll sell and try to afford 5D 2 or 3.
 
@webarto Get a second hand 5d mk I
 
@Danack It's pretty much similar to 20D in general (except it's fullframe).
 
ThW
I don't think I will upgrade the body - but buy more lenses
 
@webarto The 6D is quite light on its own. The lenses on the other hand are not
 
4:50 PM
Yeah, lens is what counts. I had Sigma 14mm f2.8 and it was best for me, but had to sell.
@ircmaxell Exactly, it could be characterized as cold weapon.
 
Actually @Danack, I've been looking into wide lenses... I'm going to Argentina in November, and want to do some sky photography while I'm there. I was thinking about the 16-35/2.8L, what are your opinions? I'm fine with a prime, but speed is more of what I'm after...
 
Be sure to enjoy a nice steak.
 
What's sky photography actually?
 
yeah, I'm planning on taking 2 weeks, and exploring Patagonia
 
That's hard. I couldn't do it.
This is my fail
 
4:57 PM
Try, Try and try again
 
@ircmaxell I don't know is the short answer. I had a 16-35 mk I - I don't recommend that, as the image quality was not good, however I haven't tried a mkII which is meant to be a lot better. I have a Sigma 12-24 which is hilariously wide, but a little terrible at night due to flare from point lights (it seems fine in the day). If I was forced to give a recommendation either the 16-35 MK II or a prime - which probably doesn't narrow anything down for you.
 
If you leave longer exposure you get a trail, so I'm not sure how they do it, unless they cheat.
 
Oh for stars? Yeah - get a prime.
 
lol. Google maps for Patagonia and I came across this bear-camel-lizard
 
@Danack yeah, the only issue I have with primes, is either they are expensive as sin, or slow...
 
5:01 PM
IMHO it's sometimes better to put 2-3 pictures together than shoot with one wide as it's unlikely everything will be OK.
 
@ircmaxell Wait, since when is 18mm that wide?
 
@webarto Nice shot... really gives good depth
Wish phones could do that :(
 
Thanks, hah :)
It was taken with 20D (8mpx), so once this guy told me, meh, my phone has 13mpx.
@ircmaxell Sigma 14mm HSM Aspherical buy it.
 
@webarto full frame
 
5:04 PM
Oh, didn't know that.
So that's 28.8mm for us poor people.
 
@ircmaxell btw If you haven't done much night sky photography before, you should practice your technique before you go. Also the lens that guy uses is nice and cheap.
 
@Danack I definitely plan to. The problem is I need to find a place to do it as I live in NYC
 
Who's the lady @webarto?
 
wifey
 
5:08 PM
Nice job.
 
@webarto Errr... that's what she said?
 
In Albania they kill for that.
 
@Danack I have a Samyang for my Sony, and to be honest, even tho it's cheap, the one I have is absolute garbage. Enough to turn me off to the brand entirely...
 
HINT: I'm from Albania.
 
@webarto What, for having an 8mm member? A little harsh, it's not like they're likely to breed...
 
5:12 PM
Grow up Dave :P
 
You know damn well that will never happen
 
This is your typical debian developer :D
 
At least he's not wearing socks.
 
@Danack are you about?
 
It's aboot, not about.
 
5:17 PM
@DaveRandom Possibly?
 
@Danack ImageMagick extn - is it possible to load in a PDF and convert it to a PNG?
I know it's possible at the command line, not sure about the extn
 
@DaveRandom Yep - should do.
Think there may be tricks involved in getting it to render the page you want - but it should work.
 
OK great, let me have a go and I might come and pick your brains in a bit
 
cool.
 
:-)
 
5:23 PM
@ircmaxell IMHO, it's better to shoot more pics with sharp lens than use wide.
That way you can e.g. have 100mpx picture.
 
@webarto I can do both ;-)
 
Can't imagine how, but I trust you :)
 
take 2 pictures...
or 2 sets
one with a wide lens, and compose one with a narrower lens...
 
Ah, but you would need two cameras? :-)
I changed lens very often and it really started to show signs of abuse.
 
@webarto Well, I have 2 cameras ;-)
but why can't I change lenses?
I normally carry 2-3 lenses with me... And on that trip to Argentina I will likely carry 4...
 
5:33 PM
You can of course, if you have time, etc.
Yes, on a trip, it is very fine.
I once dropped 50mm, it rolled like a bomb.
 
Well, it's a night sky, it's not like it's going to disappear ;-)
 
It appears you can modify 20D to make it infrared sensitive (or something) for astrophotography.
 
nice
 
@ircmaxell have you tried posting some to 500px.com, etc.?
 
@webarto Canon released a 60D astronomer version - it's protective glass plate in front of the sensor that's changed. Standard one cuts out IR, the astro version lets IR through.
 
5:42 PM
That's basically "night vision enabled". Couldn't you remove the filter from other cameras too?
 
Yep - though it's a bit fiddly.
Though it also kind of lets you see through clothes - sex.omg-facts.com/Sex+Facts/…
 
> The mere act of removing the sensor from within the camera could potentially ruin the original factory calibration and render your camera completely incapable of achieving proper focus
Not worth it :)
 
@webarto nope
 
Better exposure :P
 
I may in the future
 
5:46 PM
Whenever I'm sad I don't have any likes on facebook, I post to instagram and I'm insta happy.
@Danack Yeah, so that when I searched for IR floodlight, it's trickier to acquire good IR sensitive camera.
 
@webarto is that an anime guy who came alive?
 
Maybe, his name is h01ger :D
So, what's up?
 
6:20 PM
@webarto been busy, tryin to finish stuff
will be moving to a new company in 2 weeks. :)
btw, "Sorry level: ASIAN"
 
6:45 PM
Hello every one
Does this group still about php and programming ??
 
No. It's about unicorns, ponies and kitties.
 
@Leri damn it's been a long time
 
@Leri =p
 
http://www.aznewage.com/aznewage.org/unicor1.jpg
unicorns
 
7:02 PM
 
what is real life application of graph data structure??
 
@sabsab No, that's the elusive derpicorn.
 
@DanLugg which one
 
@sabsab The one in the picture?
 
@DanLugg I hope my question is not elusive as well
 
7:13 PM
@sabsab No, but an object graph is pretty ubiquitous; you'd need to give some context.
 
@DanLugg its my homework for datastructure class
 
@sabsab Well, for one, you can start here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_(abstract_data_type)
And then move onto en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_traversal for a list of some applications of it.
 
@DanLugg I have read that and I know how to implement graph using C++ but now I need to implement it in real life
 
@sabsab So, write a maze-generator.
 
@DanLugg the homework is to implement any data structure in real life so I choosed graphs cuz I loved it
what is maze generator
 
7:17 PM
Maze generation algorithms are automated methods for the creation of mazes. Graph theory based methods A maze can be generated by starting with a predetermined arrangement of cells (most commonly a rectangular grid but other arrangements are possible) with wall sites between them. This predetermined arrangement can be considered as a connected graph with the edges representing possible wall sites and the nodes representing cells. The purpose of the maze generation algorithm can then be considered to be making a subgraph where it is challenging to find a route between two particular no...
 
@DanLugg sounds awesone .. and maze :D
@DanLugg and how to do that
 
@sabsab How to write a maze-generator?
 
@DanLugg just a hint
 
Here's a hint: study and do your homework.
 
@DanLugg I mean what language what platform at lest, because we study data structure in console applications
 
7:24 PM
@sabsab I dunno, Franz Lisp on a DEC PDP-10
 
hmm ...
I have always thought that the best way was just the generate the "non-crossing paths" and then add walls around them
then again , I have never bothered to research it
on a different note:
> Sony Xperia Z2 'high demand' pushes general sale date into May
T.T
I have been waiting for it since january
 
7:43 PM
@tereško I always thought that too, generate the solution, and only after generate all the dead-ends.
 
7:55 PM
@tereško O_o Isn't that, like, expensive?
 
€600
got enough saved from my first salary in the current job
and, since I my current phone has served me at least 4 years, I think this is an adequate investment
 
If that's what you wish, do it #YOLO ... this happened to friend yesterday.
 
you usually can simply change the glass overlay
 

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