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2:00 PM
@LucDanton What kind of bugs?
 
@Rapptz Incomplete instantiation stack with GCC, compare Clang.
i.e. diagnose<NotEqualTo… doesn’t appear.
 
Arg, steady_clock::now() + nanoseconds() fails on some of our build servers.
 
lol, how?
MSVC?
 
Apparently one of them has a gcc which uses microseconds for steady_clock::duration.
So it's a narrowing conversion.
 
that shouldn't matter
at least I don't think so
Should I handle empty list cases?
 
2:05 PM
@StackedCrooked No?
 
like pop_back<empty_list> should return empty_list
 
Should work just fine, because the ratios are compatible.
 
@Rapptz For partial functions such as head and so on?
 
It doesn't work on MSVC because broken.
 
@LucDanton yeah
 
2:06 PM
I tend to go with ‘partial means SFINAE’, because you can recover totality—although it’s not always convenient to do so.
 
@StackedCrooked It's the other way around. It widens the micros into nanos.
 
In fact you can see me doing it in that ConceptsLite stuff: I have well_formed_requirements as a query and the Diagnose and Check aliases uses it twice to safe-guard potentially failing computations. It’s nasty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it would need to widen the time_point. so op+ would return a new time_point type which can no longer be assigned to steady_clock::time_point. (let me check)
 
@StackedCrooked Ah, so it's not the addition that fails.
 
yeh, the error pointed to something like foo(clock::now() + ns);
so I assumed the addition failed
 
user1804599
2:11 PM
 
@Rapptz And I have this for the sake of making this chain of computations nicer to write.
So… I actually don’t have any particular advice :|
 
django-tinymce is very fucking useful
No server-side filtering hook whatsoever
Good job idiots
Also lol snack overflow
> Q: Prevent the creation of certain tags in TinyMCE on the server and user side
> A: One may specify exactly which HTML tags and related attributes are allowed using 'valid_elements' configuration setting: http://www.tinymce.com/wiki.php/Configuration:valid_elements
Yes setting them on a fucking client-side widget is very fucking useful
Morons everywhere
kill me
 
@LucDanton I'm just going to special case for it. I don't think it's too hard and I feel like there are no cons in doing so.
Pun not intended.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: You snaked my comment! Well, sort of, anyway.
 
Call it a spoiler :P
 
2:15 PM
I see you do #include "full/directory/stuff.hpp" too :(
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't
 
@Rapptz If you intend to allow e.g. mapping over the typelist you’ll have to make a stand for failed computations.
@Rapptz I’ve moved pieces around before and I might do it again in the future. Being hierarchical is nice.
 
I have a maximum and minimum thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, fair enough.
 
using x = list<int, float, char, double, long double>;
static_assert(maximum<x, std::alignment_of>::value == alignof(long double), "...");
static_assert(minimum<x, std::alignment_of>::value == alignof(char), "...");
 
I removed mine and upvoted yours.
 
2:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You really didn't need to do that.
 
@Rapptz Those are folds.
 
a specialisation of a fold
 
@JerryCoffin No peer pressure involved. It just felt redundant given yours.
 
@Rapptz So what happens if a computation fails? Hard error?
 
I do not give a fuck if you down vote this of -100000000000000. Who cares about stupid down votes? — cell 13 secs ago
 
2:19 PM
yeah
 
@JerryCoffin that is 2 years of deferring what should be known at the start. — Preet Kukreti 20 secs ago
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what a nice chap.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yay, nipped it before deletion :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gone already
 
@LucDanton I can't imagine what would be a valid return value for minimum<list<>, std::alignment_of>::value.
 
2:20 PM
@Rapptz Honestly I’m not sure what you mean by that. Obviously I need the correct path for the include to work :)
 
It was gone when I clicked through back to it from here.
 
It's an pre-requirement that the list is non-empty.
 
@Rapptz By computation I meant a use of the higher-order (meta)function, so the other argument.
 
Oh.
 
woah, party down that man's throat
 
2:21 PM
@Rapptz That’s fine. Folds over non-empty lists are a thing.
 
@thecoshman ...
best invite Abyx
he loves being in men's throats
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, not to toot my own horn, but I did think the "Java hangover" part was better wording than I'd expect from myself when I'm still barely even awake.
 
@LucDanton I do the evil #include "../stuff.hpp" :p
I'm thinking of switching though.
Will probably do it later.
 
I do that FTTT
 
I think its either language lawyers or someone is trying to spread bad vibes. I'm curious to know what caused such a strong downvote streak — Preet Kukreti 1 min ago
 
2:23 PM
It seems Intel revoked its "Free compilers for non-commercial Linux" idea.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit never mind
 
HOLY SHIT RUN ITS LANGUAGE LAWYERS
 
@Rapptz That would send me out the repo.
 
@JerryCoffin toot toot
 
Hahah one of them got it
 
2:25 PM
@LucDanton lol
 
I’m serious.
 
Its not advanced knowledge at all. There has been a new wave of propaganda for modern C++ that is trying to sell c++11 to java etc programmers that dictates this. Frankly, in some situations if you follow this, you are often paying for things you dont need. There are many situations where you can use static arrays + pointers instead of heap memory. — Preet Kukreti 1 min ago
 
Super serious.
 
Keeps delivering
 
Xeo
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
THIS MAKES NO SENSE AAAAAHHH
 
2:26 PM
Ahahhaha
> Game Development, High Performance, Algorithms, 3D, User Interfaces, C++, Python, Web
of course it's gamedev
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Yeah I would use a std::vector but what if you are unable to include anything in your code? [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
This is fucking top thread of the week
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit before I delete, you want me to (try to) explain why the standard forbids such a definition ?
(I just try to see if I can improve my answer)
 
@quantdev Yes, because that is the question!
:P
 
@Xeo Are you still torturing yourself dealing with AS3?
 
It applies equally to AS3 and all of those comments
 
@CatPlusPlus what a nob
 
2:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus That too, now that you mention it.
 
@PreetKukreti if you think preferring std::vector is a C++11 thing or a "modern C++" thing you are at least 13 years late to this game. This is more like "classical C++", as opposed to "pre-historical C++" which is the one where you're supposed to use new everywhere. — R. Martinho Fernandes 5 mins ago
Robor <3
 
@CatPlusPlus It was inevitable. Seeing the sort of twits who claim to do game dev, I'm left flabbergasted that even a single game has ever developed to the point of running (sort of close to) successfully.
 
@EtiennedeMartel haha that was good
 
@AaronKyleKilleen TIL that women are actually a hive mind who should all share the same opinion.
 
2:39 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen Those are two separate people.
 
gamers.txt
 
Only a sexist would think that all women look alike.
 
Also no context comprehension whatsoever
0/10
 
@EtiennedeMartel Those synchronised periods are no joke man.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz +1 (or -1 for the situation?).
 
2:39 PM
Let me just check my Feminist Agenda https://vine.co/v/Oa7jWTl5Fgq
 
anyone knows how to write a portable function than given an integer/floating point type will return the type as a string? depending on platform i get ambiguities like int is not one of either int8,int16,int32,int64 or things like unsigned int and uint32 are the same type and the same function is declared twice...
 
user3010322
I live with three sisters and when they all get together one period takes over everyone else's.
 
This tweet made me laugh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit right but they're both part of the same movement
 
user3010322
And they get MASSIVELY cranky.
 
2:40 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen You seem to show a complete misunderstanding of what feminism is.
 
user3010322
When I live with my brothers, my balls don't suddenly cramp up and we have to community ejaculate.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Please stop talking. Life is too short for that drivel
 
@EtiennedeMartel Did you even look at who it is
 
@AaronKyleKilleen ... what?!?!
 
@gnzlbg Why does int16, etc, matter?
Just overload for the fundamental types.
 
2:41 PM
You're all making the mistake of engaging in discussion with that guy again
 
@CatPlusPlus No? Should it matter?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen the movement that says "people, regardless of gender, should treat women with the same respect that men get"? Yes, what an absurd movement.
 
user3010322
I thought std::to_string covered this.
 
So this answer talks about VLAs and their lack of existence in C++ more than the reason why the code needs to be expressed a certain way. It goes straight to an alternative and avoids the background entirely. But I'm gonna upvote it because SO is like a giant bandwagon <3 — Preet Kukreti 47 secs ago
 
@CatPlusPlus this isn't meant to be an academic critique it's a meme ffs
 
2:41 PM
rude
 
Memes are dumb hth
 
Those are guaranteed distinct and should cover all options except extended integer types, which are not portable anyway.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen oh, I guess we're not allowed to criticize it then. Our bad
 
Also this is probably unironic gamer "feminists heh :smugdog:" bullshit
 
@jalf The problem is that some people assume "feminism" is equivalent to "anti-male". And some extremists who call themselves feminists kinda give that impression to the uninformed.
 
2:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes but depending on platform e.g. unsigned long might not be a 64bit long but a 32bit one and someone might specifically give me a uint64_t...
 
I guess statements of opinion are sacrosanct as long as they're overlaid on a jpg. Because that makes tehm memes
 
But that's like saying all muslims are terrorists because IS exists.
 
@CatPlusPlus yup, they're meatto be fun, something you are too anal retentive to understand
 
@gnzlbg How does it matter? uint64_t will be one of those types.
 
@jalf Egalitarianism.
 
2:42 PM
lol fun
 
@Rapptz That's a true gem :-p
 
Just overload for them and you're covered.
 
user3010322
Clearly, if I don't have ridiculous jiggle physics for my breasts, THERE CAN BE NO FUN IN THIS GAME.
 
Write the stringizing code in a generic manner.
 
@Rapptz Same thing.
 
2:43 PM
Or tag dispatch on sizeof if you really want.
 
Not really.
 
@EtiennedeMartel it's quite close to the truth, actually.
 
Slapping text on a picture is peak internet comedy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the problem is if i define a unit64_t overload and for whatever reason unsigned long is defined as the same type as uint64_t then the same function is defined twice
 
@CatPlusPlus Good point.
 
2:43 PM
@gnzlbg Don't define a uint64_t overload.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen In this Lounge you must provide a full suite of evidence for every statement you make!
 
Egalitarianism doesn't have any crazies yet.
 
Forget the typedefs.
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Just overload for the fundamental types.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hm, I should really check the wiki more often.
 
user3010322
2:44 PM
> seek medical help in the event of prolonged exposure
 
@EtiennedeMartel To be fair, its name ("feminism") gives a very strong impression of that, too.
 
But its a joke guys really haha ha ha hhha very funny hah aha masters of comedy
 
@Rapptz Egalitarianism: "men and women should be treated equally"; feminism: "women should not be treated worse than men". Those aren't contradictory, and you need the latter in order to achieve the former.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I posted a picture and said lol I didn't make an argument
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The idea is that women are below men in most societies, so in order to make things equal you have to promote women.
 
2:44 PM
@Abyx Flagged for suggesting that "all muslims are terrorists" is "quite close to the truth, actually". You're bordering on massively unwelcome, in my mind.
 
I'm so tired of those idiots jesus christ can we ship them all into the sun already
 
@EtiennedeMartel Right, which is a stupid idea. Especially in those societies where it's not at all true.
 
@jalf I don't think so.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not a stupid idea, it's called fixing an issue.
 
But that's just my opinion.
 
2:45 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen you kind of did, by posting that. What you say reflects on you, as surprising as it may seem
 
You don't fix something by ignoring it.
 
Use the reply arrows, or face the gif.
 
user3010322
Das gief.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... being distracted?
 
@Rapptz The first part is true because that is how the terms are defined. The latter part is true because of logic. You can't have both genders being treated equally, if one is treated worse than the other. So whatever you think, it is true.
 
@ThePhD "Das Gift" (translate it)
 
@Abyx you really are something stagering
 
@jalf The latter could be a result of reaching the former. There is no 'one way' to look at it.
 
@thecoshman you can't ignore a distraction! Then it's not a distraction any more, which is a paradox and and then the universe will implode! Think of the universe, man!
 
I don't like discussing semantics like that anyway. It's not in my blood.
 
2:47 PM
oops, forgot to mention that i need to know the size of the types because...
- I use it to dispatch to MPI (and MPI defines integers as hex constants MPI_INT_8)
- I use it for "raw" I/O and want to store as meta data the size of the integer I'm passing

I guess I'll use the short, int, unsigned, long stuff for the interface and then do a sizeof and dispatch on the real size

I also use it to dispatch to MPI, and MPI define integers as hex constants... so basically I
 
@Rapptz Nothing I said contradicted that.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow. German is so mean. :(
 
@jalf but you have fixed the problem of being distracted.
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Or tag dispatch on sizeof if you really want.
Keep two sets of overloads.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, sounds like the best solution. Thanks.
 
2:48 PM
@jalf so what laws are there that give men rights women don't have? and what evidence is there that there are no sexual dimorphisms that would cause disparities in outcomes?
 
Public has only fundamental types. Guaranteed distinct, covers all cases. Then those dispatch to the sized ones.
 
@jalf Your definition of egalitarianism seems to be one that's already been...hijacked by feminists, so to speak. The actual definition is rather simpler: "the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities."
 
I'm just pointing out that feminism is an absolutely essential subset of egalitarianism. Nothing about how to achieve either of the two
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hate writing this stuff. Boilerplate everywhere.
 
2:49 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen could you stop talking, please?
At least until you've stopped being stupid
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, and "cannibals eat human flesh". you can also flag that.
 
No std::abs(std::chrono::duration) :<
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Oh fuck you. You can take your reality distortion field elsewhere.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Write it, then write adl::abs :3c
 
2:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus oh, cool. I guess I can flag him in good conscience then!
 
@jalf you can plonk him.
 
@Abyx I could, but I reserve that for special occasions
 
welcome to fantasy land where there are no sexual dimorphisms and everything is due to patriarchy, not enough CEO's, must be because we tell women they're bossy
 
Eh. You're the one flagging him?
Honestly he's not even being that bad.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Welcome to the real world where none of us said that.
@Rapptz That time, yeah.
 
2:51 PM
I thought he was doing something worse
But nope, just overreactions etc
 
I prefer to have people banned because they're terrible
 
Youtube leaking into Stack Overflow. Why do I even look at the flags?
 
lol of course you agree with him
 
@Abyx If they have a known history of trolling, and they're being willfully ignorant, stupid and obnoxious?
Yes, I want to ban the fuck out of them
 
@AaronKyleKilleen can the crap dude.
 
2:51 PM
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
 
Oh lol, I have the guy plonked.
 
Me too.
 
You're clearly just trying to aggravate people.
 
Owners shouldn't ignore people
6
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Have you considered asking a woman this question? You might be enlightened
 
2:52 PM
I was wondering why all the reply links didn't work when I clicked them.
 
@CatPlusPlus except telkitty
<shudders>
 
@jalf you know, it's very subjective. your position may also look ignorant and stupid to other people.
 
Can we stop talking to the guy? Then my chat history makes sense again... Or kind of at least. As much as the Lounge can make sense.
 
@Abyx hint: you are.
 
@Abyx Yeah, but you're an intelorant asshole.
 
2:53 PM
lol
 
AKK!
 
@Rapptz You don't seem to ever have strong feelings about anything.
 
@EtiennedeMartel do you tolerate pedophilia? who is intolerant?
 
Tell my wife I said hello
 
When I come back from a debugging dive, I'm kicking anyone still on this.
 
2:53 PM
lol
 
@jalf too many women were leaving their kids in dumpsters so we passed safe haven laws allowing them to drop their newborns off at police stations, no questions asked, yet men are frequently forced to pay child support and all we say is, should have worn a condom. How is THAT equal?
 
Might be in two weeks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel just blame it on being american
 
@Abyx "You can be with us, or with the child molesters". A Canadian minister once said that about some public surveillance law.
 
Oh god not MRA shit
 
2:54 PM
@Abyx You know, if I look stupid to someone else for saying "women deserve as much respect as men", then I really do not give a flying fuck about that person's opinions
 
Can we just ban them both
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sehe will kick you first for warning you'll use owner tools.
 
@CatPlusPlus I am not an MRA
 
Ok? And if you think I am being unreasonable, then I do not give a flying fuck about your opinions either, because you are offensive, stupid and wrong.
 
2:54 PM
@JerryCoffin uhm... why this particular message?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen how are you not?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't see why I should.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm with him. I don't support the red pill/PUA/MRA mentality, but neither do I support the flavor of feminism that calls for depopulating men or mandatory castration. Some kind of middle ground is, in all things, usually the best and most true.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen How is THAT relevant?
 
well that's one gone.
 
2:55 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen If you weren't an idiot then you realise that "there is no equality" is the reason why equality movements exist
 
People are either side of the divide talk past one another, which is too bad because I think even the extremes bear consideration. You have to see where the ends are to find the middle.
 
@Abyx Disagreeing is one thing. Directly attacking is another. Don't do it again.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's called fixing it incorrectly.
 
Are you saying that because of your one anecdotal situation where women get preferential treatment, we should do nothing about all the cases where they don't?
 
2:55 PM
@Chris Nobody here supports the second view. And feminism is that middle ground. Some crazy people hijacked the term.
 
user3010322
You should only have strong feelings for the one you love.
 
You can't increase equality by pandering to one group.
 
user3010322
... Or the one you hate intensely.
 
I have strong feelings for alcohol right now
 
user3010322
Goes either way I guess.
 
2:56 PM
HELLO
 
@CatPlusPlus o/
 
Here's a hint: I think everyone deserves respect and equal rights. Everyone, women and men. That is a stark contrast to you, who think we should do nothing for women until we have eliminated every single instance of women having it better than men.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Love the alcohol, hate the hangover? :b
 
1 message moved to bin
 
I THINK MY SHIFT KEY IS BROKEN
 
2:56 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen First intelligent thing you've said all year ;)
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Please send help! We can't find the reset button! [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
@EtiennedeMartel Abyx will be happy to hear that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. But he's crazy.
 
wait since when is thecoshman a lounge mod?
 
@jalf it's a lot easier to be equally dickish.
 
2:57 PM
was this always the case and am I it just noticing it now?
 
@thecoshman And easier still to be unequally dickish
 
@nightcracker never. I've been an owner for a while now... months...
 
@EtiennedeMartel No no you misunderstood, he said he tolerates that
 
@jalf more fun too
 
guess I only notice the cursive font now
 
2:58 PM
Easiest of all is to be willfully blind to all dickishness
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have a hard time buying this. "Feminism" is, inherently, for females. It's right in the name. There's no way for men to wear the label "masculism" without coming off as an MRA neckbeard. The way I look at it, if you've got to add "ism" onto the things you agree with, you're wandering into the weeds.
 
fuck how am I hungry ALREADY
 
@Chris So women should never have fought for their rights?
 
@Chris "feminism" is a movement striving equality for women
 
@JerryCoffin are you positive that the targets were offended by the messages you binned? because I don't think so
 
2:58 PM
They should have just accepted the way things were?
 
13 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The idea is that women are below men in most societies, so in order to make things equal you have to promote women.
 
propose gallery mode.
 
@jalf What an absolute red herring.
 
@thecoshman Won't change a thing.
 
@CatPlusPlus there is equality under the law
 
2:58 PM
2 messages moved to bin
 
ughughughughughuhguhguhguhgughughughuhgughughughughughughughuhg
 
@EtiennedeMartel kick any who continue to spew shite.
 
@Abyx Their feelings in the matter are irrelevant.
 
@Chris No, it is exactly what you said. Feminism was about eliminating all the inequalities that hurt women. Do you disagree with that cause?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen and the law says crime is illegal, so we've solved crime?
 
2:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel There's little point in repeating yourself over and over again.
@thecoshman Why's that then?
 
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because my point still stands.
 
Fuck you cosh.
 
srs
 

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