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11:00 AM
@thecoshman Sigh what is confusing you now?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I gathered, mine wasn't.
 
@thecoshman you're just continuing the argument you were trying to shut down now... :p
 
@thecoshman yes I know.....
you're pretty slow today
 
@jalf putting someone in the position I put him was pretty douchey and definitely counterproductive. By calling his opinion BS directly instead of challenging it, I have effectively shut off any option of reasonable debate, I see that now.
 
I want Puppy back :(
 
Ell
11:00 AM
Calm down tomalak
 
ok, I'll just come back in 30 mins
 
guise!! behave yourselves
 
@jalf ¬_¬ I know a solution.
 
or you'll all have to go sit in the corner for a few hours
 
What?!?!?! I'm calm! I'm having fun!
 
11:01 AM
@chmod711telkitty I'm sure many women want both of them, as do men (since prostitution is illegal for both sexes). Most people however only want to have sex with those they like. You generally don't get paid for that. Sex you get paid for is usually with someone you wouldn't want to have sex with.
 
@thecoshman plonk
 
Gees you lot honestly
 
Ell
Calm down tony
Calm down pirate
Calm down puppy
Calm down everyone
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit us lot? What about you?
 
@TonyTheLion What about me? I'm trying to have a nice conversation about living for hundreds of years...
 
11:02 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sure, you could have been more diplomatic, and perhaps if you really went out of your way to accomodate his sensibilities you'd have gotten somewhere, but you really weren't unreasonable
 
@TonyTheLion lunch :D
 
@chmod711telkitty That's beside the point anyway. The countries that ban prostitution are not banning them to stop "prostitute entrepreneurs". Prostitution is big business and the money goes to someone other than the prostitute. The bans are usually to stop trafficking. Those women hardly make any money at all.
 
Xeo
Fuck you Adobe.
 
@Xeo Don't remind us about that
 
@TonyTheLion What's your problem?
 
11:02 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You
 
@TonyTheLion don't mention ze war!
 
you're my problem
 
@TonyTheLion ....
 
top kek
 
Ell
I think prostitution is fine
 
11:02 AM
Well why don't you just stfu and plonk me then instead of continuing it?
 
ahahahaha
 
@Xeo What's the latest?
 
Xeo
If I send a certain command to the server through our debug window, Adobe Scout says the memory usage is skyrocketing. If I do it through the proper ingame button, it doesn't. In reality, both cases don't let the memusage skyrocket.
 
@jalf if I said X, and someone said "X is BS" in reply, especially if "X is BS" is backed up, that leaves very little room for me to continue discussing the topic. I'd have to swallow my pride in the process which is pretty hard. Putting people in that position is dangerous and we have way too many on that anyway, especially in programming.
 
Xeo
FFS Adobe
fuck you so hard.
 
11:03 AM
not about Adobe
 
Ell
I haven't read the transcript BTW :P
 
@jalf tl;dr; - being right doesn't give me right to be a douche about it.
 
@Ell oh you
 
you're still claiming to be absolutely right I see
even after all that :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wasn't talking to you there :P
 
11:04 AM
doesn't really matter who you were talking to does it!
right now listen
 
Ell
Let's count to ten
1
 
boiled potatoes, or fried fritters?
 
this is with chicken pies btw
 
user3010322
11:04 AM
@Rapptz Fun fact: MSVC can't logically process the following:
 
Ell
Now we have to start again.
1
 
Why does ConcurrentBag in .NET not have Remove function
 
oh sorry, thought I was Microsoft for a moment there
 
11:05 AM
why why why
 
user3010322
template<typename First, typename Second,
typename R = expression_t<constant, First, add>,
typename = enable_t<tmp_and<is_symbol<First>, std::is_arithmetic<Second>>> = 0>
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Reasonable people can admit it when they get called on their BS. Heck, even I can do that on a good day. :p And it was obviously BS. You weren't out of line. But I agree, being extra diplomatic is always good and productive. I'm not disputing that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Ell
@lightness haha
 
user3010322
It chokes on tmp_and, which is a meta-programming And.
 
user3010322
11:05 AM
But, it works if you manually expand the tmp_and to....
 
Ell
ConcurrentRucksack
 
@TonyTheLion because of how it works, doing .Remove wouldn't make a lot of sense for it. Whenever I needed a Remove I should have used a ConcurrentDictionary. Although ymmv.
 
ah, that's better. this plonk list is really growing :(
 
user3010322
template<typename First, typename Second,
typename R = expression_t<First, Second, add>,
enable_t<std::integral_constant<bool, is_symbol<First>::value && is_symbol<Second>::value>> = 0>
 
ugh, dear software companies, if you have a SDK, put it on your friggin' website so people can use it!
 
user3010322
11:06 AM
It's really fucking bad.
 
Just sitting here twiddling my thumbs now, waiting for them to get back to me
 
Ell
@thephd you forgot a value I think?
 
user3010322
@jalf If you're anything like Adobe, they'll send you the spec after you sign in blood 20 NDAs.
 
Ell
Tmp_and<...>::value == 0
 
int(52) here use mine
 
Xeo
11:07 AM
Sigh. Everything today is terrible
Good thing that it's Friday
3
 
@Xeo How is the situation avec tes parents?
 
user3010322
template<typename Lhs, typename Rhs>
using tmp_and = std::integral_constant<bool, Lhs::value && Rhs::value>;
 
user3010322
@Ell ^
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Though using a Dictionary would be weird in my case here
bwaaaaaaaaaa
 
@TonyTheLion what is your use case?
 
11:08 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I want to store a list of strings that can be accessed by multiple threads
the strings come from a UI
which gets updated by a user, so I need to be able to add/remove elements
 
Ell
@thephd do you not still need a ::value to compare it to an integer?
I'm nub at templates
 
user3010322
We're not comparing
 
user3010322
We're setting it equal to
 
@TonyTheLion and they're identified by an integer index?
 
user3010322
It works like this:
 
user3010322
11:09 AM
template<typename Trait>
using enable_t = type<std::enable_if<Trait::value, int>>;
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum no, they're just a list of string
 
user3010322
So what we're saying here is that the last parameter is a template int and we're setting it equal to 0, as a default template parameter.
 
Ell
Man I can't read all those nested angles :L
 
but I guess I could make it a kv pair
 
11:10 AM
dat pun
 
@TonyTheLion how do you identify individual elements? Sorry if I'm being daft here.
 
Ell
Poor milk
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum compare the strings to each other
maybe a dictionary is a better way
considering all the add remove operations I do
 
Ell
@tony just lock a mutex for it and hope there are no deadlocks :P
 
11:12 AM
@TonyTheLion yeah, if you're comparing them to each other a dictionary or a set sound good.
 
user3010322
There's a ConcurrentDictionary
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea, seems like
@ThePhD yep, was considering that one
 
where did everybody go
 
Ell
We're here
 
well it seems that now we have so many people on the SO chat that some random flaggots can come in and flag the first FUCK word they can find.
 
user3010322
11:16 AM
error C3203: 'tmp_and' : unspecialized alias template can't be used as a template argument for template parameter 'T', expected a real type
 
user3010322
It is a real type you fucking massive dingbat of a compiler
 
user3010322
Whoever's on the VC++ tea just needs to roll over and die. ._.
 
@ThePhD maybe they already did
that would explain a lot about the state of the compiler
 
user3010322
It would.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're so impressive - first you say "I heard of some evidence on the issue", then when someone actually has some first-hand knowledge on it you say "I won't show you any evidence, piss off"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's sexist.
 
Ell
11:22 AM
@thephd try sticking an ::integral_constant on the end? :P
Idk
 
@Abyx I think that's pretty much the point
 
Ell
I'll be quiet
 
user3010322
Nah.
 
user3010322
It's fine.
 
user3010322
VC++ is just dumb.
 
user3010322
11:23 AM
I really need to finish getting into MinGW and fully finish OpenGL support.
 
user3010322
So I can ditch DirectX and VC++ forever.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum isn't that what the government does when they charge you with a REDACTED crime with REDACTED evidence?
 
@Mgetz I'm not sure what you expect me to reply to that with :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not sure you can without getting arrested and held indefinitely without access to a lawyer for REDACTED ;p
 
@rightfold yes
 
user1804599
11:31 AM
ok
 
@Abyx Er, at no stage did Benjamin ever present any evidence of his own. That's the startling hypocrisy of it all.
"I have experience in this" is as far as either of us went.
@Abyx What's sexist?
oh that
 
trust me im an engineer
 
yes but sexism will be acceptable within 200 years in Europe
i'm just ahead of my time
 
user3010322
... It still won't work.
 
user3010322
;~~~~~~~~~~~~;
 
user3010322
11:33 AM
Mai steakz
 
@ThePhD Well, black people are renowned for their inability to work
 
user3010322
But we can run.
 
user3010322
typename std::enable_if<std::integral_constant<bool, is_symbol<First>::value && std::is_arithmetic<Second>::value>::value, int>::type = 0
 
user3010322
RIP readability.
 
What are you doing
And why are you doing whatever you're doing
 
user3010322
11:37 AM
I'm doing what I'm doing for Maximum Kek
 
@ThePhD I'd extract condition to a separate metafunction
 
user3010322
@Abyx I did that, and MSVC choked.
 
user3010322
(Well, it was a using alias.)
 
oh, msvc
 
user3010322
Yeah.
 
user3010322
11:39 AM
I wonder if clang-cl properly handles DirectX.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader HEY do you know how much of DirectX clang-cl supports?
 
I so wish this was true
 
@ThePhD it probably does, but no exceptions and no debug info
 
user3010322
@Abyx They recently added exceptions.
 
user3010322
So those work.
 
user3010322
11:41 AM
But no-debug will kill me.
 
user3010322
printf nopls
 
user3010322
Allt hese programming fixes in Japanese
 
user3010322
I wish I could read Japanese gud.
 
user3010322
I wish I had a senpai. ;~;
 
@ThePhD I wish they'd learn English
 
11:50 AM
David Cameron: IS evil pure and simple - #c4news - watch live - http://bit.ly/1BzrMTR
 
> David Cameron, why do people in your own party hate you?
lol
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is IS an organization or are they saying he IS evil pure and simple?
 
Have you been living under a rock too?
 
user3010322
M... Maybe...
 
11:54 AM
You never heard of IS? ISIS? ISIL?
 
There are bugs under rocks
Who'd want to live there
 
user3010322
Oh, that. I've heard of those.
 
Gross
 
ISIL is what USA and EU raised to fight against the "non-democratic" regime in Syria.
 
@Abyx now that's a conspiracy theory I'd like you to give evidence of
 
12:00 PM
Illuminati did it
 
Xeo
That's the "IL" part
 
It all makes sense!
 
Anyone has a hold on a recent GCC 5 snapshot?
 
@ThePhD Nope, all I know is it compiles a hello world, but not ogonek. That is the extent of my tests ;)
 
@Mgetz uhm... and how did they appear then?
 
user3010322
12:04 PM
@Borgleader q_q
 
@LucDanton What's changing so much they're bumping major version?
 
@Abyx they are an offshoot of Al Qiada in Iraq
 
@Mgetz nope
 
Or is it just dumb decimal version bullshit and they're going from 4.9 to 5.0 because numbers
 
@CatPlusPlus explanations
$ g++-trunk --version
g++-trunk (GCC) 4.10.0 20140425 (experimental)
 
12:05 PM
@Abyx so you're calling bullshit on EVERY major news organization, government and even Al Qaida itself?
because I'm calling bullshit on you
 
@Mgetz Only Russian media are reliable
 
@CatPlusPlus clearly only the state sponsored propaganda machines of the former eastern bloc are reliable yes
 
@CatPlusPlus the russianer the better
 
Worst thing about Windows 10 being the next version, having to put up with the endless comments about why they skipped 9.
 
SSH works, but pip install git+ssh doesn't what the fuck
 
@thecoshman Call them nerds and move on
 
@CatPlusPlus I was here first :(
and lazy
 
@thecoshman because 7 ate 9
 
> You Have a Mathaversary Tomorrow!
> Tomorrow is One day. (1 days)
wut
@Mgetz Eh? I heard IS are an Al-Qaeda offshoot, too
17 mins ago, by Abyx
ISIL is what USA and EU raised to fight against the "non-democratic" regime in Syria.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Set your birth date to not today.
 
12:15 PM
This is not far from the truth.
Two years ago Assad was calling rebels "terrorists", and all the Western media reported his words using those quotation marks, because they didn't believe him. He was right.
 
@Ell He's been compromised.
 
@Mgetz ok, it's al-Qaeda from Iraq. what did they do in Syria then?
 
@Abyx Terrorist exchange program.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what terrorists? it's "fighters for democracy!"
 
Bah, SSH is too stupid to have two keys for one server
Should've seen that coming
 
12:25 PM
@CatPlusPlus that's not a SSH limitation though... is it?
implementation problem
 
I wanted to have a tools key that can access common repos and project key that can access only the project
I'll have to move that to the server-side beh
And remember to grant all tools to the project key
 
@CatPlusPlus huh. AFAICT it just tries all keys in ~/.ssh/ (that are not world writable)
 
0
Q: `std::string` allocations are my current bottleneck - how can I optimize with a custom allocator?

Vittorio RomeoI'm writing a C++14 JSON library as an exercise and to use it in my personal projects. By using callgrind I've discovered that the current bottleneck during a continuous value creation from string stress test is an std::string dynamic memory allocation. Precisely, the bottleneck is the call to ...

 
The EASTL answer :S
 
I have both keys loaded in the agent (ssh itself just tries id_rsa or whatever's defined in ssh-config)
But auth check fails on the server and git doesn't retry
 
12:28 PM
> @sehe is exactly right. There are many ways.
whoa. I didnassithatcoming
 
(it's a race condition of which key from agent gets tried first)
It doesn't work
I need to change it
I wonder how it ever worked
lol
 
regression
 
No, blind luck
The right key must've been tried first during provisioning run
 
user1804599
Do symbolic links within repositories play well with Git?
 
Because then it only clones tools and not project
 
12:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes soooo, what about that?
@CatPlusPlus prove it
@rightfold git understands and versions them. It doesn't follow them
 
@sehe Nobody complained that the tools didn't clone
 
user1804599
@sehe neat :)
 
On windows, I don't know what they do. SVN used to baulk but that was in the stone age
 
Probably break
 
afaik it creates dummy files containing the path the link pointed to, instead of the link
something like that
 
12:31 PM
That's how MSYS/Cygwin do symlinks
Because while NTFS gained symlink capability long ago
 
Cygwin does "handle" them. I'm unaware of /how/, but they work
 
You need to have elevated privileges to make them
 
Aha. My cygwin shell runs elevated (sue me)
 
Regardless of ACLs on source/target
No, Cygwin uses plain text files with Link: target
 
@rightfold depends what you mean :P
 
12:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus Protection against DoS by FS cycles, I presume. Most Windows programs will not anticipate cycles
 
user1804599
Can the link also be an absolute path?
 
obviously. It's just text
 
Oh, no, that was a scheme used by 7z or something
Cygwin uses !<symlink>target
Still the same idea
They're also marked with 'system file' attribute
 
Manly Drinks (a bit of swearing like)
 
> solution: CYGWIN=winsymlinks:native
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A: enable NTFS symbolic links for Cygwin

olibreI finally found, I post here my solution to be useful for others ;) The Cygwin documentation says: Cygwin creates symbolic links potentially in multiple different ways: The default symlinks are plain files containing a magic cookie followed by the path to which the link points. [...]...

 
12:35 PM
1
A: Is it possible to overload functions with extern linkage?

Lightness Races in OrbitThe problem with your source This is cppreference being a little misleading. Declaring the same function twice with different storage-class-specifiers is illegal and causes a build failure. If you look at the source for libstdc++ (GCC's standard library implementation), you'll see that only the...

 
Yeah but native ones are inconvenient
I don't run elevated crap unless I have to
 
you sound like the puppy
 
And esp not for dev work
That's just dumb
 
don't complain about cygwin then. Complain with Win32 privilige requirements
@CatPlusPlus I'm happy to inform you, I am dumb then
 
I'm not complaining about anything I'm explaining how it works????
 
12:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes He gave a talk at cppcon, in case it hasnt been mentioned.
 
0
Q: Is the specification of `bsearch` in C++ defective?

Lightness Races in OrbitFollowing on from my answer to this question, in C++11: [C++11: 25.5/2]: The contents are the same as the Standard C library header <stdlib.h> with the following exceptions: [C++11: 25.5/3]: The function signature: bsearch(const void *, const void *, size_t, size_t, int (*)(cons...

more to the point
 
@CatPlusPlus I misread that as "s/Because/Even though/". It wouldn't be the first time you complained :)
 
I don't really use Cygwin or MSYS or version symlinks
 
12:39 PM
Thanks for continuous editing >o< — ikh 1 min ago
fuck you, OP
 
@EtiennedeMartel they should try some boxing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I really get a lot out of the 4G with my 500MB traffic limit :p
 
@EtiennedeMartel o_0
and back to music :)
 
For the sake of saving time replying to all you UKIP supporters one by one, here's a blanket message: You can all get fucked to fuck. Night!
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Ook! [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
12:50 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he's being nice I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel is there some context to this I'm missing? :p
 
@jalf UKIP are, more or less, just racist.
 
@thecoshman Except they deny it vehemently. Which is always fun to behold.
 
Is @horse_ebooks dead?
 
12:53 PM
@thecoshman Yeah, but I was wondering if it was in relation to some discussion in this room, or something
 
Poor horsie.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes who?
 
The most followed spam account on Twitter.
 
oh...
 
@Horse_ebooks
Horse ebooks
18.8k tweets, 198k followers, following 15.7k users
 
12:56 PM
don't facilitate proxy spam ಠ_ಠ
 
user1804599
@Abyx pedophilia is allowed.
 
oh no not again
 

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