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10:00 PM
Night all
 
Apparently that Preet guy is quitting SO.
RIP
You shall be missed.
 
user1804599
On a scale from me to H2CO3, how stupid is SOA?
 
SOA?
 
Depends on what you mean by it
 
user1804599
10:03 PM
I have a vague idea of what it is.
 
In common sense talk it's loose coupling with possibly remote interfaces
 
user1804599
Requires lots of serialization I think.
 
@Rapptz Preet?
 
Pretty much all of the negative piling against me has been in favour of a sentiment to reduce the bug-ridden crap primitive code which is associated to raw memory management, but I never said it was a good thing to do (I dont think it is); All I said was that even though it's messy, it is still important to understand. I think SO has become a very negative place :(. No more contributions from me. Congratulations! have fun downvoting! — Preet Kukreti 3 hours ago
 
10:04 PM
@Rapptz Service-oriented architecture
 
user1804599
And reminds me of Erlang.
 
@rightfold Maybe. It has advantages in that you really can't couple anything without having a well-defined interface, if you go with remoting
 
Oh.
 
Amazon is entirely SOA
 
Shit On Arrival
 
10:06 PM
lol
 
right well I'm not going to get any work done tonight, clearly
so I might as well get to bed early and wake up early and try to do it before the others get in
:(
 
Xeo
You're still working?
 
@Xeo I've had a mega procrastination two days and have fallen behind so yeah I was gonna catch up this evening
 
Xeo
also, yay, remembered to do my exercises today \o/
 
I want to use Thrift for something
 
10:08 PM
The idea is that I've always been much more productive at night, to the extent that it was fairly common for me to work into the late hours for Initech
 
Xeo
I need to stretch my left leg more
 
Though lately I've decided to do no more than my contracted hours.
 
Xeo
that thing's stiff as hell because of my herniated disc thingy back in January :<
 
This week is special though because I've been so shit
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yay for keeping time
I've got 1.5h overtime this week \o/
 
10:10 PM
Well we don't get paid overtime any more, which sucks when you're consistently doing around 20 hours of it each week
 
Xeo
which is nice for lunches and the Qi Gong lesson on Tuesday
 
Are you working in gamedev now or what
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus looks cool
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I also don't have paid overtime, which is why I keep it to a minimum
 
10:10 PM
I rarely hit 40h/week
 
Xeo
I'm usually slightly over
unless I remember to leave early on Fridays
 
@CatPlusPlus Lazy cat
 
I'm workin on it okay
 
Are they?
are they
 
10:12 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't assume those are the accounts.
 
plausible deniability
 
well, they are the accounts, so..
 
I'll fix it someday
maybe
 
including a link to the Lounge is a bit weird
that's not an account you own
 
10:13 PM
Says you
 
I'm the Lounge
 
ok
well, then, we're all in you. how does that make you feel?
 
Xeo
No, you're the Wohnzimmer.
 
This is the point where I remove the Cat from the owner list.
 
10:14 PM
heh
 
I'd fix it but then I'd have to resign the page
and im lazy
 
you'd have to what
 
redesign the entire website to change one word?
impressive
 
Resign you butte
 
:3
 
10:15 PM
you're doing web wrong
 
Did I even install GPG yet
yes
 
why does your website even use analytics
 
Why not
 
I want to query LOC/dev in TFS, gonna google it tomorrow
 
TFS is shit
 
10:17 PM
yes
 
I'm sad I have to deal with it so often
gonna move to SVN soon, I hope
 
same here
 
Sven the SVN client.
 
10:17 PM
I'm not sure if I prefer SVN or TFS
 
I should make a client called Sven.
 
I had to use issue tracking part of TFS
 
@JohanLarsson why? LOC is meaningless
 
What a piece of crap
 
oh yea issue tracking, we don't have that :(
 
10:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just want to confirm my hunch on 100 : 1
 
we gonna put it in
if time allows
 
how will you track the work you perform on that task, Tony?
and how much time is remaining in it
 
Do you scribble things on postit notes or what
 
10:19 PM
will you have time to track your time
 
no one does
you do what you do and move on
deliver the thing asked for
 
very different to my last job, where every minute was accounted for in task tracking software
 
I have seen many project management schemes worse than postit notes & whiteboard.
 
What’s a good name for an alias to typename std::conditional_t<Cond::value, Then, Else>::type?
 
10:20 PM
email
 
I don't even know why I have that page
 
that's our task tracking
> where you at?
about as much task tracking I get
 
Use Trello
Or something
 
@LucDanton criteria? (Without knowing anything about that code)
 
@LucDanton iif
 
10:22 PM
@JohanLarsson template<typename Cond, typename Then, typename Else> using alias = typename std::conditional_t<Cond::value, Then, Else>::type;
@CatPlusPlus Thank you for trying.
 
That's what I'd use vOv
 
iif
You’d use ‘iif’
 
@LucDanton lazy_if
 
It's fairly standard name for function version of conditional ternary so yeah
 
@Rapptz I have LazyConditional but the conditional itself isn’t lazy.
@CatPlusPlus It’s an alias to typename std::conditional<Cond::value, Then, Else>::type::type.
 
10:25 PM
lazy_eval_if
 
iif is a common abbreviation for if and only if, so [This form of ending a sentence is considered yankerish by lightning. Let's hope this freaks her out.]
 
eval_if seems on the mark tbh; well eval_if_t what’s with the trend
 
I called mine lazy_if
and I called my other one if_ :'(
alternative names for that would be appreciated
 
@LucDanton So that's not a conditional? dunno c++ line noise
 
@Rapptz I recommend iif.
 
user1804599
10:26 PM
iff
 
@Loopunroller That form of ending a sentence I have never even seen before. What's it supposed to be?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ending a sentence with "so"?
 
if and only if?
why
 
@Loopunroller Who ends a sentence with "so"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yankerish people.
 
10:27 PM
It's not Yankerish; it's wankerish.
 
@Loopunroller Yeah that's iff
 
Hold on, ill find the quote.
 
> It is commonly referred to as the conditional operator, inline if (iif), or ternary if.
 
@CatPlusPlus ikr. It’s like std::remove_reference_t<int&> is int, but std::remove_reference<int&> is not. So this is about fetching ::type from the result of a conditional.
 
@Loopunroller You're thinking of starting a sentence with "Ok, so"
 
10:28 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, maybe
 
4 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
It's fairly standard name for function version of conditional ternary so yeah
 
I roughly remember it
 
@LucDanton C++ is great
 
Oh iif not iff
 
So an analog to if(cond, a, b)() if you will. Not just if(cond, a, b).
 
10:29 PM
Mhm
 
@Rapptz if is already iff so it's not even ambiguous!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Btw yankerish should get word of the year. It's awesome.
 
@Loopunroller ok
@LucDanton yeah that's iif for sure
 
Me yankerish, you yankerish, everyone yankerish
 
Another argument against idiotic alias_t I suppose.
 
10:29 PM
yankeriology
 
@LucDanton man, fuck _t
 
~Your code is fuck_t
 
> gpg --verify index.html.asc
gpg: Signature made 10/03/14 00:28:52 Central European Daylight Time using RSA key ID A28890B5
gpg: Good signature from "Cat Plus Plus <piotrlegnica@piotrl.pl>" [ultimate]
see im a nerd
 
Good signature well done
Why do you have to GPG your HTML pages? IDGI
 
@Rapptz But then what? Have just the aliases? I kinda like the struct my_trait: foo<a, b, c> {};; makes for nicer compiler diagnostics, too.
 
10:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because it's ~important~
 
I don't sign every page
 
I don't really like the stupid alias_t garbage :(
 
To me, I'm the nerd
 
can't sign every page
but I love them
and I want them
 
10:31 PM
Is "yanking" an actual verb?
 
Sign my key
 
@Loopunroller yes
 
STL is the one who came up with it too
 
10:31 PM
@Loopunroller You are yanking my chain, now
 
@Loopunroller Y U NO GOOGLE IT?
 
@OMGtechy Haha, lol
 
@Rapptz He must have had one eye closed when he came up with that one
 
user1804599
Gretty Pood Grivacy
 
@TonyTheLion I JUST googled it.
Right after i said it. Kinda pointless.
 
10:32 PM
@Rapptz I’m like right in the middle of renaming everything, I thought you had resigned yourself to the convention lol.
 
Alright, back to renaming.
 
lol renaming because standard said so
 
10:34 PM
I don't feel comfy with if_t and lazy_if_t
@CatPlusPlus Consistency.
 
feels a bit iff_y
 
Consistency in C++ world hmm yes that is a worthwhile goal
 
I'll just use _t on the silly standard aliases. :v
 
Not like every other library has their own naming conventions
 
That's good.
But not relevant.
 
10:36 PM
@CatPlusPlus And I still use the Standard stuff all of the time. Mixing conventions looks kinda ugly.
 
good night C++-ers
 
@LucDanton It does.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz what is curry?
 
I've used Twisted and stopped caring
 
user1804599
What does it mean to "curry functions together?"
 
10:37 PM
things like Map<std::remove_reference, whatever> and so on.
 
'Twisted'?
@rightfold It's not currying, it's just partial application
 
user1804599
Why is it called curry :v
 
Can you append "According to other people" to every sentence including your opinion to transform angriness on you into misanthropy and loss of faith in humanity?
 
@rightfold I didn't have anyone to bikeshed a better shorter name. I felt like bind was taken and would express something else, like e.g. taking placeholders.
 
user1804599
10:38 PM
partial
 
You don't have to append anything to anything to get misanthropy and loss of faith in humanity
 
@rightfold iunno
 
partial is fine
 
user1804599
curry would turn usage f(1, 2, 3) into f(1)(2)(3). :v
 
yeah I know
docs even say it isn't currying :v
 
user1804599
10:40 PM
"Curries functions together. More information on currying can be found here."
 
not really feeling partial
@rightfold really?
I don't remember writing that :/
 
lemme check logs to see when I changed it
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Clojure also calls it partial.
 
10:42 PM
partial it is
lemme finish renaming this first :v
 
Are you breaking everything rapptz?
what about backward compatibility?
 
I'd rather have a Chicken Korma
 
user1804599
I think I can implement bound_function with libffi.
 
this is kinda boring now
night!
 
@Sofffia Don't care about it until later
 
10:50 PM
fucking what
her "usual bill amount" is £300/mo?! This woman needs to learn to control her fucking phone usage!!
 
YEAH!
 
LET'S RIOT
 
Kill all the women!
Oh wait..
 
lol
 
That's not feminist.
 
10:52 PM
Kill all the men!
 
Yeah. That would be appropriate.
 
Wait
 
I'll start with my little brother.
 
user1804599
Wee.
 
10:53 PM
dem include guards
if you are going to support C++11 compilers, I think you can guess they are going to have pragma support
 
I don't like pragma once.
 
Too easy?
 
no
It just feels weird even if supported by everyone
and I think gcc handles header guards better than pragma once still
 
I've had bugs that would have been avoid by using #pragma once, so I always use that.
 
I'm not sure how you mess it up
 
10:57 PM
Very large codebase, two people defined the same thing
 
never happens on my end
gears/functional/partial.hpp -> GEARS_FUNCTIONAL_PARTIAL_HPP
 
How can you define PROJECT_PATH_TO_THE_FILE_HPP twice?
 
abc/def_ghi.hpp and abc/def/ghi.hpp
 

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