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4:00 AM
3 hours, are you kidding me?
 
I couldn't get into it properly with one alarm clock
I'm waiting for a longer time I'll be able to keep it to try again with more.
The body's pretty good at adapting when things are consistent enough.
 
Doctors says an adult needs at least 6-7 continuous hours of sleep per day. 3 is hardly half of that average.
 
This isn't continuous, it's polyphaisic.
I suppose I could try making it a 3.5h one, too.
But it shouldn't make a huge difference when just starting though, which is the hard part.
 
Who directed you into this?
 
starting is the worst
 
4:11 AM
what are you talking about?
 
Me?
 
yup
 
starting the sleep schedule posted, to train yourself to only sleep for short periods of time that are almost entirely REM
 
you heard of this too?
 
It's bigger than you think.
My friend did the Uberman and then switched to Everyman some other year.
I decided the last Summer before university was a good opportunity to try.
 
4:14 AM
Is that supported by some kind of scientific facts?
 
@chris That's what she said too (after I told her I was "about average").
 
Considering that 20h day appeals to me a lot.
 
yes, it's pretty well known I thought
 
@JerryCoffin Not again :p
 
@JerryCoffin xD
 
4:14 AM
@Jeffrey There's a lot behind the procedure.
 
@chris You can't honestly expect me to pass it up when the minute I show up, there's an opening that obvious, can you?
 
@chris That doesn't answer the question though.
 
My schedule was nice for not colliding with things, but I don't think it was optimal in terms of getting the most out of it.
 
Alright, so, Equestria Girls isn't half bad.
 
@Jeffrey I've seen research this and science that when researching it.
I didn't look for official papers or anything.
 
4:16 AM
@chris What if it messes you whole sleep internal clock up?
 
@Jeffrey It's not hard to revert.
Especially when you fail at adjusting to it in the first place.
 
Did it make you any good?
 
I still can't believe the sudden jump in lucid dream progress I was getting even with that failure, though.
@Jeffrey I didn't usually feel that tired much throughout the day or staying up until 4, but it's not like I felt any more active yet, which apparently happens when you're adjusted.
And being able to get to sleep in a couple minutes.
When the opportunity arises again, I'll try harder.
 
@chris yeah, changing your sleeping scheduled is actually suggested to get a lucid dream, isn't it?
 
And hopefully have more than one Summer of it to look forward to.
@Jeffrey I saw people saying they had more with it, but it was amazing.
 
4:21 AM
@chris I can only imagine
 
A week into trying (and sleeping more than 3h for the core) and I actually got some.
A couple of them were more that I knew I was dreaming, but I was too set on one goal.
But one gave me a bit of control.
 
@chris and...?
Actually don't tell me. I know what you did.
:P
 
@Jeffrey Well, I logically deduced why I was dreaming, actually seeing the situation as not normal and not convincing myself it was.
But I was able to hover and climb through a closed window.
Then when I tried to fly, I went more into a third person view and lost it.
Hover, levitate while standing, same thing.
Flying is the absolute first on my priority list.
 
@chris yeah, my first and only time I just tried to jump and I jumped too high and lost it.
Pretty sucky first time :(
 
@Jeffrey I had one before I discovered lucid dreaming where I could jump around really high.
I knew of my ability, but had no real control over the events of the dream. It was still pretty fun.
 
4:27 AM
@chris jumping high is pretty recurring in dreams IIRC. It's actually one of the tests isn't it?
 
Not so much as counting your fingers, reading something twice, or plugging your nose.
And it feels kind of weird trying to convince yourself that you might be dreaming when you know you're awake, but it actually does help, which I can say from experience now.
 
plugging your nose? never heard of it. Along with gravity I heard that also mirrors and clocks (not digital ones) are very messed up in dreams
 
Granted I only did so after realizing I wouldn't be lying on the cellar floor with my grandpa standing there normally. It was a good check to ensure it was a dream, though, seeing fingertips coming all over my fingers.
@Jeffrey You can almost always breathe perfectly while holding your nose.
It seems to be the most effective one.
 
@chris Oh actually I did heard of it. I didn't immediately connected to that.
 
I need 7.5 - 8 hours sleep every night, sometimes I can do 5 if I oversleep the previous two nights. Otherwise I need 7 hours in order to function properly.
 
4:31 AM
That was stupid
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 That's not polyphaisically, though.
 
@chris I once had a dream where I was in a Quake 3 arena game, and I realized it was a dream. Oh man... fun was had after that.
 
It makes a difference in adapting to get the good sleep right away.
 
@chris, I know I'd stay here for at least 2 more hours talking about this but my head if starting to hurt and I should really sleep. See you tomorrow :)
Night everybody... for good now.
 
@Borgleader Exactly what makes lucid dreams so desirable to me. I had one a long time ago and only found out there were methods to getting them recently.
@Jeffrey Yeah, sorry about that.
 
4:34 AM
@chris It can go wrong though, if you have a lucid nightmare... oh god
 
@Borgleader Being lucid can help to overcome a nightmare, too.
If you realize it's a dream, you might be able to control what happens, or wake up.
 
Yeah... might
that's what Im afraid of
 
Have you heard of Teen Titans?
 
4:36 AM
Well, there's this one person with psychic powers on there, and I was more or less her in my lucid dream a long time ago.
It was pretty close to flying for some of it. I could also do other things.
I've never had a better dream ever.
 
Oh Ive had a few... not in recent memory though
 
That's exactly why I was so shocked and happy to come across lucid dreaming techniques.
Now that I'm back to not doing that other cycle, I might as well try some WBTB.
Sleep for 4.5 or 6 hours, do quiet stuff for an hour, go back to bed and try to have one.
Seems fairly effective for beginners even.
And I don't know how I did it, but I managed to wake up once and lay perfectly still without opening my eyes, but I was too excited that I was doing it to get back to sleep right away.
 
@JerryCoffin I saw this and it reminded me of that conversation you had with @sehe
 
@Borgleader No resemblance at all -- I said 18 to 23! :-)
Oh, and I'm quite certain I never asked for "innocent" either!
 
Not nearly as many questions as last night.
 
4:45 AM
Though, come to that, innocent looking isn't necessarily bad...
 
But that means no horrible ones so I'm good.
 
@chris Not nearly as bad of question as last night either...
 
@JerryCoffin I know I know, I was just thinking it was a funny sketch
 
@Borgleader Okay, I guess I'll let you by with sacrificing only one virgin woman this time.
 
does MSVC2013 support expression SFINAE yet?
 
4:48 AM
@JerryCoffin what about 2 kittens?
you wiling to negotiate?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Not for kittens, no.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Only if they're wrapped in bacon.
Which reminds me
I want to try bacon fries just once.
 
@JerryCoffin baby goats?
In 2006, in the Sudanese goat marriage incident, a Christian South Sudanese man was forced to "marry" a goat with which he was caught having sex in the Hai Malakal suburb of Juba, South Sudan. The goat's owner reported that, "They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife." The perpetrator was thus ordered to "marry" the goat, pay the cost of the goat and pay a dowry of 15,000 dinar (equating to US$50 in 2006, the GDP per capita was US$1,522 for 2008), with half of the dowry up front. The goat apparently acquired the...
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 My negotiation is limited to things like hair color and weight, not species.
 
Oh, I found the best news.
Apparently none of my math courses will let anyone use a calculator for the tests/exams.
 
4:51 AM
@JerryCoffin racist! goats need love too :'(
 
I've got Code::Blocks on Ubuntu. I'm trying to locate the examples of wxWidgets but can't seem to find it. According to the docs, I'm supposed to find it in the samples folder
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Not racist, just speciesist.
 
Meaning either the problems aren't unnecessarily complicated with terrible numbers or that we're going to need a lot of paper.
 
@chris More importantly: maybe they're going to teach math instead of yet more arithmetic.
 
@JerryCoffin Exactly, teaching methods instead of memorization. Can't do overly much about the discovery and everything, but it's the best I've had so far.
 
4:54 AM
open book exams are generally harder
 
Actually, my Calculus teacher was wonderful.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 And more practical.
 
I'll wait until after the exam before I raise this issue again
 
Unnecessary restrictions are kind of dumb. There's so much available to use if you need something.
 
@chris My calc teacher was a huge let-down. Looking back, I'm not sure whether he was really poor, or just seemed that way because the math teacher I'd had before him was so good (probably some of both).
 
And of course I would expect to not have to do that very often, but the point is that you learn what you ened for your job pretty well.
So no wasting time searching that after a short while of experience.
@JerryCoffin That was my last real Math teacher, so I might feel some of the second this time.
I had Data Management, but Math it was not.
That started off half-decent, but easy, and then just got terrible.
And I can't believe basic Accounting isn't mandatory. That was the most useful course I've taken in the past couple years.
 
4:59 AM
@JerryCoffin I can definitely relate to the latter.
 
my friends used to dub guys with nicknames ... I remember one of my friends back in uni used to call this guy 'calculus' because she had a crush on him and he was in her calculus class.
 
After finishing Calc and went to Calc 2, I felt a bit empty or something.
The guy wasn't bad but he wasn't that great either. My expectations were a bit too high.
 
Well, it should be interesting comparing uni Calc to the high school Calc with the great teacher.
 
then the other friend's crushes are called 'jackfruit' & 'passionfruit'
 
It was really easy to understand and follow everything, and easy to retain it, despite barely ever doing work outside of class.
 
5:01 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 If she truly falls in love, that'll be "mango".
 
And it was an AP class, so we went beyond the curriculum (well beyond due to the extra time).
 
@JerryCoffin lol, her current boyfriend is a kiwi
she moved over, have not seen her for a year
 
whats up with all the fruit
 
And I was a grade below the course, so the fact that it was so easy to go through was great. It felt like we were moving slow, but we went well past what we needed. Best feeling you can have from a class.
 
the first guy's name was Jeff, so Jackfruit, the second was Pascal, so passionfruit
maybe she was fruit obsessed ~shrug~
 
5:04 AM
Speaking of fruit, we had like a grade 7 or something French thing where we had to present a fruit.
And even though she said to use a real one, someone made one up.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 maybe shes nuts
 
But I found one that fit their description perfectly.
Some South American fruit.
 
Can not believe this friend of mine had a crush on this guy for over 10 years, that dedication ...
but he's working in the US a the moment, she's here in Sydney
 
after 10 years i dont think crush fits the description
 
obsession?
 
5:10 AM
My programming course is going to be the most boring thing ever.
Sitting through a class where there's 0 knowledge assumed, learning with C.
 
Ouch
 
Because even in SE, they assume 25% of us have no programming experience.
 
@rightfold isnt here so i can say this, my first programming course in uni was c++
 
At least the books we use for programming seem pretty good.
 
@chris Can't you test out of lower-division classes? I'm almost positive a short demonstration to your professor would qualify you for that
I'd at least ask about it
Otherwise it's a waste of your school years ( + money)
 
5:12 AM
@trojansdestroy I'm not in tune with a lot of that. Do you mean a test to skip it?
 
Yeah. Normally if you're well beyond the content of a course you can arrange to prove it, then get that class requirement waived
 
That did work out well for grade 10 math, but I'd really have to consider it.
And what that time would go toward.
It would still be a good chance to get practice with C.
 
The first programming language I have learnt in uni was this dummy language called 'Blue'
 
Sort of like my Java one last year.
 
You could just start out in second- or third-year programming courses, then fill your resulting free time in your last year with graduate-level courses
 
5:15 AM
I think we switch to mainly C++ and Java after first year, too.
Actually, seeing as how there's a Facebook group of upper year students...
 
I wish my high school had offered programming classes. It really sucks having no experience until second year of college. I've only taken C++ so far... Java next semester.
 
And us I mean. The uppers answer questions.
@trojansdestroy Yeah, I was lucky. My HS's is gone next year I think.
 
Due to funding?
 
All of the technology there is disappearing.
And it's right near UW.
In a tech city.
With technology becoming more and more prominent.
It honestly blows my mind. They wouldn't even let my teacher combine classes anymore, despite it working perfectly fine, and then complained the class sizes were too small.
 
Really? I had the opposite - classrooms were suited for no more than 30 people (and 30 was already cramped). By senior year almost every class had 40-45 kids
 
5:21 AM
Yeah, well, almost everyone in that school is terrible with technology.
 
s/in that school//
 
I just realized, too, that the C course is still only one term, not one year.
 
One of my friends lost a bit money through this lady, she complained about it to me a couple of times. Now this lady came up with another scheme and my friend is going to sign the contract with her again.
 
Me being used to non-semestered thanks to that HS.
 
Ive never had one year courses only one term
 
5:26 AM
I had to caution her about this ... my friendship due diligence.
 
Same. Though occasionally there are "a + b" classes, intended to be taken consecutively
@Telkitty猫咪咪 What are you talking about? What kind of scheme?
@chris You're Canadian, right?
 
@trojansdestroy Eh!
 
My friend was complaining about all the money she lost through this lady due to this lady's terrible project management skills. Now the lady came up with another project want my friend to put money in, another project she's going to project manage on ...
 
@trojansdestroy I think the second class is data structures.
Or that's the closest to learning programming anyway.
 
@chris Lol. What do you Canadians think about the NSA spying revelations?
I just took data structures. It was much more interesting than the intro class
@Telkitty猫咪咪 what are some of the projects? And why does your friend think this one will be different?
 
5:31 AM
I suck at data structures. I need to actually learn them with a resource designed for that.
And I don't know about other people, but I couldn't care less.
But I'm that way about most things.
 
What do you mean?
Nevermind that, I combined your two answers as if they were to one question
 
@trojansdestroy He means he used to be apathetic, but he doesn't care enough to be anymore.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't think I've ever cared about much news most people react to.
 
@trojansdestroy building construction projects
 
Like the royal baby for example.
 
5:36 AM
I don't think my friend is thinking it through
 
All I know is that it hasn't done anything for anyone yet and that it's stealing every TV channel's airtime.
 
@chris I am thinking the same
 
@chris I'd guess most programmers feel similarly. I figure if I need to deal with something, I want to know about other. Otherwise, I'd rather not know. Quite a few people seem to feel a need to be aware, just for the sake of "having the right feelings", even though they're not going to (for example) do a thing to improve things that are bad.
 
@chris the royal baby is getting hilarious amounts of coverage. This is basically how I feel about it
 
I guess the only explanation I can come up with is that most people are born followers
 
5:41 AM
It makes me mad that people spend so much effort and attention on the trivial things, like a baby, when there are much bigger problems that they spend no effort on, yet complain about incessantly
 
so even though I am a loner and a weirdo, I still feel superior than followers .. leaders are just loners who are good at manipulate people which I am not good at :p
 
Wracked by pseudo-fever for the last 5 hours....
You all have some funny conversations in here...
I love you guys.... <3
 
I have nothing against the baby, and I have no spite against people involved in other news stories, but I just don't feel inclined to feel the opposite.
I can't relate to most of what people like.
 
I know the feeling well
 
Sort of the same way every song they play on the radio and that music groups/people that everyone loves have no meaning to me whatsoever.
The songs played in video games have more meaning to me than those. Those remind me of nothing, and don't make me feel nothing.
 
5:44 AM
@chris Another point I've noticed about programmers is that we're mostly averse to the notion that one person is more important than another, just based on things like who his parents are. Most people claim to like the idea of basing their opinions on merit, but few really do.
 
@ThePhD It's ScottW fever, were all affected by it
 
@Borgleader s/were/we're/
 
Spot on! I'm about the least culturally in-tune person I know. I just don't think it's a bad thing. Video game soundtracks can be so nostalgic for me sometimes. Medal of Honor: Frontline, probably the best one of all
 
@JerryCoffin like I always say 'herd of humans', then people get mad ...
 
@JerryCoffin that was not an accident, I was too lazy xD
 
5:46 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 sheeple
 
@Borgleader s/,/;/ :-)
 
Yeah, I can't use ; properly. Except in code.
 
@JerryCoffin It's probably that that makes us usually so disconnected from the world We're either gods or looked down upon or just plain weird/nerdy/geeky, though the last one is true and good imo.
@Borgleader I did half my English summative on semicolons.
That helped so much.
 
@chris Would it bother you; if people abused them?
 
Oh wait, I did it on commas lol.
 
5:48 AM
I have to make brief pauses when I see a semicolon
 
I overuse commas in games especially. I use them in place of periods because it's easier than trying to think about it
 
@chris I think it's often a bit the reverse -- most people want to feel connected so badly, they'll jump through any flaming hoop, just to get that feeling. Programmers, by and large, enjoy being connected, but don't feel nearly the compulsion toward it at any cost.
 
@Magtheridon96 so it would bother you;
 
I'm a bit better about it here. And that commas summative actually did help a lot with semicolons. Plus I was never taught about main and subordinate clauses.
 
@JerryCoffin at my college there are two types of people: engineers and non-engineers. And while I can't speak for anybody's IQ, the latter sure do seem ignorant
 
5:51 AM
@JerryCoffin True, though the music thing is one of those things that makes me seem especially weird to society, even though I do know a lot of people enjoy listening to music from games that bring back memories, and I mean more JRPGs than anything.
 
@chris All-time favorite games?
 
the reason I choose to be a loner is that I think I am happier this way. people think I am lonely ... maybe true, maybe not, but hey, if being alone makes me happy then I will be choose to be alone! I think most of my friends who have heaps and heaps of friends feel more miserable than me
 
@trojansdestroy After years of study, I've realized they're not. They're just informed about completely different sorts of things. You (like me) almost certainly just find the subjects about which they choose to inform themselves incredibly trivial, trite and generally stupid.
 
@trojansdestroy I do love my Final Fantasy. My friend got me into Tales of Symphonia, even though he doesn't like FF, and I started Xenoblade not long ago, which I find has really good everything so far.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Friends take up valuable time :p
Seriously, though, we don't go do activities together as often as most people.
My friends and I get enjoyment out of sharing programming-related discussion and everything.
 
@chris true, but I like quality friends. Most of my close friends, I have known them for a really long time (half more than 10 years)
 
5:56 AM
@ScottW I've played games like that and enjoyed them, but not that one.
 
I don't think it's such a bad thing that we don't. I do sometimes get lonely, or feel bad when on a Friday night people are out partying and I just don't want to hang out with them. But I know from many failed experiences that if I do try to be more social I'll hate it
Yup.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I never knew they existed until a few years into high school. They're almost all one year younger. There's really almost no one in mine that like programming or anything.
But a fairly large group in that year >.>
 
@chris probably because I am much older than you :)
@trojansdestroy if you don't enjoy partying, don't go to parties
 
@ScottW Exactly. I have no worries of getting drunk because people say to, or getting high, or partying stupidly all weekend before an important week of classes.
 
That's my problem. I really, really don't like it. @Telkitty猫咪咪, I don't. Lol. But I don't mean only parties, it's just being around more than 4-5 people at once drains me
 
5:59 AM
I didn't like the small amount of beer I had, it's really unhealthy, and even though it seems a lot of programmers live on it, I can do without.
 

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