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12:00 AM
Both are allowed so why not. Mix it up a little when you feel like it. Be creative. :D
 
@DeadMG I should now say how useful Wide is
 
@Pawnguy7 Uh, no?
 
Spice up your life with dem .jpgs.
 
Extensions are not very important.
 
I think I got it from mostly doing .png's, and for some reason, the same length seemed more... not sure. Rhythmic?
 
12:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz fucking lost it
 
@Pawnguy7 really dude don't you have better things to worry about?
 
@Pawnguy7 OCD? :P
 
I think I could rebase my API over OGL+ over the weekend
 
@BartekBanachewicz not that I want to debug right now
 
but considering that Cat might be right WRT my time plans
still, pretty short time.
 
Ell
12:02 AM
Interactive rebase is neat
 
I'm always right.
 
:lol:
 
Ell
But I still haven't got the hang of git
 
@CatPlusPlus oi, you, you doing anything interesting this weekend?
 
Sleep, mostly, probably.
 
12:03 AM
you could help me with this a bit and then we'd certainly fit under 2 days.
and that could be like worlds first actually usable GL wrapper
imagine your name praised by indie devs all over the world using it
 
I'm not writing C++ sorry.
 
y'know, Cat temples all over the place
 
Ahaha.
 
@CatPlusPlus come on, you still know how to.
 
I don't want to.
 
Ell
12:04 AM
snigger cos' he can't!
 
I tend to agree
 
@CatPlusPlus well, in that case I'm better off to sleep if I am to tackle this alone
@DeadMG with what
 
Ell's assessment
 
@BartekBanachewicz what do you propose I should worry about?
 
12:05 AM
I have no patience for C++ left.
 
@Pawnguy7 OpenGL 5 incorporating all DSA calls
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know what either of those are
 
@CatPlusPlus too bad there's no language that can really replace it on the market
each and every of "better C++" language is fucked up for some reason
 
@CatPlusPlus So which language do you mostly program in or like?
 
like, Wide is developed by Puppy
:)
 
12:07 AM
I have plenty of better tools and couldn't care less about C++ being on the market or not.
 
Better tools for different things
 
Better tools.
 
and yet still there are places where C++ is best despite being amazingly bad
like effing renderers
 
Don't care.
 
yeah, I forgot, you write in Java
~better tools~
 
12:08 AM
Yup, and getting paid for that.
 
they better pay you plenty
for all the brain cells dying every day
 
I might consider C++ if I got paid.
But as it stands, don't care.
 
making call_with_range_of (std::vector<int> {1, 2, 3}, 10) (std::accumulate) yield 16.. implementation -> coliru paste. there must be a cleaner way of doing this?
 
Barring Eclipse, Java's tooling is way less infuriating than C++'s, so I'm fine with Java.
 
@refp Not going to happen.
 
12:09 AM
@DeadMG what is "not going to happen"?
it sure is "happening"..
 
LOL
 
@CatPlusPlus specially for you ^
 
@refp Is that a complicated fold?
 
Maybe I'll write a chat prototype IN CSHARPPE I don't know.
Mar 19 '11 at 15:58, by PiotrLegnica
Since MSVC2003 there's really no reason to bother with GCC on Windows. I'm just hoping clang will replace GCC on Linux in the coming years.
Okay I'm not always right.
13
 
12:13 AM
@BartekBanachewicz VB has semicolons?
 
@Rapptz nhaa, it's a fucked up way of being able to pass template functions (such as std::accumulate as "function-pointers" without having to explicitly specifiy the argument types
 
I don't like it but it's okay.
 
@CatPlusPlus sure, do something constructive. It should help you with your over-negativity to everything
 
@CatPlusPlus Hahahaha WHAT. You said that?!
 
Because I don't want to touch C++? :v:
 
12:15 AM
it's a bit UB at the moment, if container is about to go out of scope we need to move it to keep it alive a bit longer.. but it's not the important thing of the implementation. the generation of a callback matching the templated-function passed is what is.. kinda ugly
 
@CatPlusPlus C++ doesn't want to touch you either
 
Ell
@catplusplus be sure to use http!
Else you'll end up with a non functional home made TCP thing
 
Nice quip that is completely not relevant to anything. But good effort.
 
:/tmp% touch 'C++'
:/tmp% stat 'C++'
  File: ‘C++’
  Size: 0         	Blocks: 0          IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 1eh/30d	Inode: 27051       Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 1000/    refp)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2013-07-27 02:16:44.931433057 +0200
Modify: 2013-07-27 02:16:44.931433057 +0200
Change: 2013-07-27 02:16:44.931433057 +0200
 Birth: -
oh my gawd, c++ hasn't got a birth day..
ops (didn't copy+paste the entire terminal output..)
 
@BartekBanachewicz The problem with this project is that even if I make something, nobody will move, nothing will change and eh, I find it hard to muster :effort:
 
12:21 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, I just feel kinda down about it right now, since I don't really get much interest. I could implement quite a few more features in a short time if I was motivated to.
 
Ell
Wide? I've been meaning to compile it on Linux.
 
yeah
 
Mar 29 '11 at 13:08, by cyberrog
you never heard about oscilating pointers??
 
Ell
I just did hg pull on the source repository
Is that the right one?
I got no changes, but I can't remember when I last pulled
 
er, I don't think so (unless you want a version of Wide from a billion years ago)
I forked Wide into it's own repo
 
Ell
12:24 AM
Right I'll get that
 
I should rename that repo.
 
Ell
Linky? :3 or, you're on bit bucket right?
Nvm igot it
 
the main issue is that building LLVM and Clang from source takes a really long time, and it's not very practical to offer pre-built
 
Why are you building them from source?
 
how could I offer them pre-built? the debug LLVM and Clang libs you would need to work on Wide are gigabytes in size
and that's just for x86 Windows, let alone pre-built for other architectures
 
12:28 AM
Also, do you even have a Linux build system, or am I looking at wrong repo
 
premake can generate makefiles, in theory
 
> Website/img/Daisy/IMG_0018.JPG
Nice hgignore.
 
one of the reasons I wanted to ask someone to build on Linux is that I have never tested it.
@CatPlusPlus Eh, that's definitely the wrong repo.
 
I don't see a Premake file here.
 
Ell
I guess I'll need to write some ad hoc build files
 
12:29 AM
What's the right one?
 
well, unless I screwed something up, there should definitely be a Premake file there.
 
@DeadMG so boot a VM and test it
 
@MooingDuck That hasn't worked well for me in the past.
@CatPlusPlus Huh, you're right. Give me a sec.
 
Do most languages have XML supporting libraries?
 
Ell
12:31 AM
Yah
 
@CatPlusPlus I see that I uploaded the Premake version for Windows, so it seems that I just forgot to sync my latest commit, is all.
seems like Bitbucket is still processing the mammoth commit
 
an email I just got from Meetup.com: "new group for you: Middle Eastern Lesbians of Boston" :I
 
Ell
What version of clang do I need?
 
12:48 AM
The llvm-path thing is too hardcoded.
On Linux, it's more likely to be in /usr or /usr/local rather than somewhere else with the original tree structure.
 
user142019
Just search recursively in / and you'll always be right. :3
 
/usr/include is no good to me if it only has the public include headers in it.
 
Same for Boost, don't depend on stage/lib.
 
@Ell 3.3
 
TIL about this. I have no idea what it is, but I like cacti.
 
12:51 AM
Not passing -std=c++11 w/ gcc.
 
Copyright 2008.
AKA Old as fuck
 
Also you should generate debug symbols regardless of optimisations.
Also cp doesn't have /Y switch.
 
@CatPlusPlus What, they still don't have that shit as default?
 
vOv
Doesn't work with my 4.8.1.
 
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@DeadMG Of course not.
 
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12:54 AM
It could break old crap.
 
Is there a prebuilt version for boost for Linux? I can't build it on my VPS. (Last time I tried it was still busy after 12 hours.)
 
Install from the repo?
Or build it somewhere else.
 
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@StackedCrooked inb4 you only need header-only libraries
 
Oh, wait, I recently receive a Linux laptop at work.
 
@rightfold Well, there are only a very few breaking changes, and most of them could easily be delayed, like permitting the old const char* -> char* for literals behaviour.
 
12:56 AM
@rightfold boost_system is often required
 
user142019
But they're there.
 
user142019
I want pizza.
 
@DeadMG implicit move constructors were a breaking change, that's a little trickier situation
 
in theory, yes
but in reality, the number of classes affected is vanishingly small
 
@rightfold I just had some.
 
user142019
 
the much more restricted implicit move generation that was eventually accepted into C++11 can only break an existing C++03 class that works under some exceedingly limited circumstances
 
@rightfold Blocked on copyright grounds.
 
user142019
@ThePhD proxy
 
2lazy.
 
It's an ad.
 
12:59 AM
I wish std::lock_guard was more flexible :<
 
I need to make my own extension.
So that when I do proxy.[countrycode].[regular website name.com/co.uk/gov] it automatically puts me through a proxy for the given country code.
 
@StackedCrooked this code was killed when I hit compile, but not killed on share?
 
Share = compile + copy results to archive. So your code got compiled again and it succeeded.
 
Ell
Ugh it can't find my c++ standard library
 
@rightfold lol that was a nice ad
 
1:01 AM
@StackedCrooked so no ideas why it was killed the first time?
 
@Ell Linux ?
 
user142019
@A.H. I wish C++ had finally or D's scope/Go's defer. :<
 
Ell
Yewah
 
@rightfold You suck.
 
user142019
std::lock_guard is an ugly RAII hack.
 
1:02 AM
@Ell mine is /usr/include/c++
 
@MooingDuck Timeout is only trigger for killing a process.
 
@Ell headers that is
 
@rightfold It's better than finally { mutex.unlock(); }
 
user142019
And you have to give it a fucking name.
 
@StackedCrooked apperently not. Wish I'd written it down
 
1:03 AM
Alright guys
 
Oh, and exceeding stdout limit also stops it.
 
Now that Tony's asleep,
3
I'm going to make a surprise for Tony. <3
 
uh... oh
 
i just want lock_guard that can be copied and moved (thread safe) and with the ability to hold variable amount of mutexes
 
Uh what for
 
1:04 AM
@A.H. So basically you want lock_guard to magically do everything for you with no problems or downsides.
 
not everything
 
How is Coliru - or other similar online compilers - sandboxed?
 
I will give it the mutexes
 
With lots of sand.
 
user142019
Concurrent queues ftw.
 
1:05 AM
well I implemented my own , now I just need to verify it works
 
CVS is a source control, right?
 
user142019
CVS is source shredder.
 
man
I should stop ignoring recruiters who try to contact me in response to job applications.
 
user142019
Me too.
 
I thought you already had a job
 
1:07 AM
That might be a good idea when you have no job.
 
@MooingDuck Each compilation is saved as a directory in /tmp. This folder gets purged from time to time. But it's probably still there.
 
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@DeadMG Doesn't mean I can't upgrade. :D
 
I should try and find some recruiters
 
no, no
avoid recruiters whenever possible
they are worthless fucks.
 
Btw @StackedCrooked install Mono and maybe make the link hashes shorter. :v:
 
user142019
1:08 AM
I get a Careers message on occasion.
 
@ThePhD Did you end up meeting him ?
 
@Borgleader They're sleeping together right now
 
user142019
> Email inquiries from employers
 
user142019
> Email injuries from employers
 
@DeadMG good to know
 
1:08 AM
@DeadMG OIC
 
@CatPlusPlus The lengths are just fine.
 
No, @Tony is sleeping and @ThePhD is watching like a creepy vampire.
@StackedCrooked You don't need two hashes.
 
Actually I need three.
 
@StackedCrooked why?
 
Because the environment is also a parameter.
 
1:09 AM
You need indirection.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked concat them and hash the result.
 
cmd-env-source
And probably cpp output as well.
 
user142019
Use a proper DBMS and use auto-incremented integers in the URL.
 
Ell
Okay, clang build has commenced
 
Do what git does.
 
1:10 AM
@Ell 9 hours later...
 
Make cmd-env-source its own addressable object.
 
user142019
Use Git for storage. :D
 
And then just use its hash in the URL.
Also you could use short hashes when they're unique.
And everyone's happy!
 
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@CatPlusPlus Except StackedCrooked because he has to do work!
 
Ell
Good job its 2 in the morning and I used screen :D
 
1:13 AM
I see.
 
Content-addressed filesystems are pretty cool.
 
@CatPlusPlus or not use hashes at all and use a counter
 
Not sure if identification by hashing was a good idea.
 
@MooingDuck Needs atomic transactions.
 
@CatPlusPlus meh
 
Ell
1:14 AM
I want to be able to tag files as well as store hierarchically
Files belong to more than one category sometimes :o
 
user142019
UUID.
 
@Ell That's hierarchy sucks.
 
@Borgleader I'm sleeping on the floor and Tony is sleeping in his bedroom.
I plan on setting up a surprise for him.
 
So what did you guys do today?
 
For 1, I'm going to clean his whole house. Well, everything except his bedroom where he is, anyways.
 
1:16 AM
Play videogames and masturbate together?
 
:lol:
 
@ThePhD you're strange
 
I don't know where a broom is, though, so the floor's gonna stay horrible.
 
Ell
Circlejerk
 
I vote you do what @StackedCrooked said
 
Ell
1:17 AM
Who uses a broom indoors
 
Then, I'm going to make him a fruit salad and put it in the Fridge.
 
Ell
Oh wait
 
user142019
A witch.
 
Ell
@thephd aww that's cute
 
@StackedCrooked We might as well have masturbated together, after watching Crank 2: High Voltage
The whole thing was basically TITS TITS TITS TITS BOOBIES (Assssssssssss) TITS
 
Ell
1:17 AM
Write him a note which says "I love you" with little hearts for O's
He can read it when he's alone
 
Oh and then BLOOD GUNZ BLOOD GUNZ YEAAAH ZANY CRAZY HAHA
 
I learned recently that VS2008 slows to an absolute crawl if you send too much information to OutputDebugString. Like, debugging pauses for ~3 minutes before resuming on my brand new machine
 
@ThePhD Is your C++11 code representative of your non-programming related creations?
@ThePhD :D
 
@StackedCrooked I hope not.
 
Ah, ok then :)
 
1:19 AM
The weird thing is, I heard that Crank was originally a really great Movie.
But Crank2 was just WTF AM I DOING HERE JESUS CHRIST THIS IS HORRIBLE
 
it was ok
 
@ThePhD Then, when you finally fall asleep, he shall wake and put everything back
 
Cleaning his house and making a fruit salad.
 
@MooingDuck I'm hoping direly that I wake up before him.
 
Is your offer for marriage still open?
 
1:20 AM
To facilitate this I have an open window blowing somewhat cold air on me
 
@ThePhD well if you do like 8 hours of chores while he sleeps that seems unlikely.
 
@ThePhD put alarm on cellphone, sleep with one earbud.
also, cold air during sleep -> recipe to catch a cold
 
It'll seriously disrupt my ability to sleep and thus make me get up at some ridiculous time, like 9:00 AM
 
Be careful to not cause shit water flood when cleaning.
 
user142019
I'm bored.
 
1:21 AM
@StackedCrooked =[ That wasn't my fault, okay? D:
 
lol
I know.
 
Ell
@rightfold finish the postduif spec
 
user142019
LOL
 
I have this playing in the background. It's kinda nice, even if I'm not watching or paying attention to it.
 
see you all in ~64 hours
 
Ell
1:23 AM
@mooing have fun wherever you're going :)
 
@MooingDuck Have fun!
 
@MooingDuck Bye.
 
@Ell weekend, but I think I miscalculated. I'm pretty sure the real number is <48
 
@ThePhD By the way, can we change the meet time?
 
To...?
 
1:25 AM
how about 1:45?
 
Uh. Sure? I'm not the one driving though.
 
hmm, good point.
 
Are you gonna bring your dog?
 
you know, never mind, I actually managed to add a whole bunch of time with that route, I'd need to leave at practically the same time.
 
Ell
Hmm I had a thiught
I have a week of home alone.
 
1:28 AM
my parents just left and won't be back for two weeks
@StackedCrooked Are you shitting me?
 
Ell
Are you guys going to get pissed?
 
what the fuck would Daisy do on a train for three hours to Bristol and back, and for the intervening hours sitting in a pub?
 
@StackedCrooked most boring sport ever
 
Hahahahahah xD
 
1:29 AM
@DeadMG my mom does that, the train ride and stuff. except for the pub part.
 
The tooltip user card doesn't render images. :(
 
my previous dog, Toffee, woulda been fine with it.
she was a sleeper
Daisy is not a sleeper.
 
xD Oh god I miss this show
 
"On this episode of through the wormhole... Am I really Morgan Freeman?"
 
@CatPlusPlus Installed mono-devel, let me know if extra packages are needed.
 
1:35 AM
How often is assert used?
 
Ell
Night folks
 
@Pawnguy7 10% of the time.
 
@StackedCrooked Yay. Should be enough.
 
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@Ell Fap well.
 
I was just thinking, for some situations - well, it really shouldn't be running if it isn't fixed, bad to try to handle a bug instead of fixing it. So, I figure, it should basically fail fast and loud, in those cases, so it can be fixed. I had planned on using exceptions, but I don't think I have ever used assert.
 
1:38 AM
assert is for assertions on invariants.
 
but does it have a place after development and testing ?
 
Opinions vary.
 
Assertions are removed from release code.
They're for verifying internal interactions.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think that is the case here
 
> Chapter 68. Assert liberally to document internal assumptions and invariants (C++ Coding Standards)
Meanwhile, Google doesn't allow assert. (IIRC)
 
1:41 AM
Don't they also not allow... I forget the term. I feel it isn't automatic parameters.
Default parameters, that is it.
 
I guess.
Default parameters are not even a common source of bugs.
> Only very rarely is multiple implementation inheritance actually useful. We allow multiple inheritance only when at most one of the base classes has an implementation; all other base classes must be pure interface classes tagged with the Interface suffix.
Ugh.
It seems like these were written by a Java guy.
 
In Java, you can implement more than one interface, right?
 
What does one do in Java in such cases where multiple inheritance is good?
 
Composition.
 
1:47 AM
And duplication.
 
Would a central.... cache with several things drawing on it be aggregation?
 
I don't care.
 
That works :D
 
Aggregation is a pretentious term for reference.
 
True.
 
1:50 AM
Grr Toggl didn't stop the timer when I shutdown the desktop client.
 
TCP is kinda hard to implement cleanly. There's a lot of state that you need to keep track off.
 
It's a state machine. vOv
 
Connection establishment is done with boost msm.
 
Why are you implementing TCP.
 
However, flow control, retransmission and congestion avoidance are big part.
I've been assigned this task.
Actually, I've been working on implementing TCP/IP stack over the past year.
 
1:54 AM
So low-level and not fun.
 
But all that is easy compare to TCP.
It's fun because I could start almost from scratch. And mostly because the existing code is a nightmare. And not having to work in that code is good.
 
user142019
It's a solved problem.
 
user142019
Don't do it.
 
@rightfold Don't do my work?
Btw, C++ is good at low-level.
 
user142019
Tell the guy who assigned you this that it's possible to use an existing implementation instead and that it will be cheaper.
 
1:57 AM
he could be doing it for fun
 
Well, then I'd need to stop my project and work with the horrible code again.
 
user142019
xD
 
It's more fun creating something than tracking down bugs in a legacy codebase.
 
user142019
delegacize it.
 
user142019
What kind of software does the company you work for make?
 
2:01 AM
Network traffic analysis and generation.
 
user142019
OIC
 
You mean you DoS people.
 
user142019
You cannot DoS people.
 
user142019
People aren't services.
 
We don't DoS. We sell a product that allows others to DoS.
The current software can send around 300k packets per second. The should be able to do 6 million.
It's basically 10G network card in promiscuous mode.
But it's still work in progress.
 
2:07 AM
Load testing?
 
Yes, load testing, throughput testing, ..
 
user142019
Test it on experts-exchange.com.
 
expert-sexchange.com
 
user142019
brew install dmd :3
 
I'm nearing 20k loc for this project.
 
user142019
2:13 AM
This looks pretty awesome.
 
user142019
Mixins are really awesome for metaprogramming.
 
Like Ruby mixins?
 
like scala traits?
 
user142019
D mixins.
 
user142019
You generate a string at compile-time and the compiler then interprets that as D code and compiles it.
 
user142019
2:23 AM
Such as this thing I wrote a few days ago.
 
IT'S FRIDAY!!!
 
yep
 
I just finished my first stressful week of work. That usually happens when I've figured out how to do something, and then I'm just grinding it.
 
user142019
It's Saturday. :V
 
yeah its saturday now
 

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