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user142019
9:02 AM
It's a syntax error to leave out the braces around an if-body in Go.
 
It's a syntax error to write programs in Zoidlang.
 
@Ell don't even start
 
That reminds me, I had a dream that I discovered documentation that Google had licensed your language. It wasn't called Zoidlang in the dream, but I think the word was -- subconsciously -- supposed to be a cross between Zoidlang and Wide.
 
are you calling him fat?
 
user142019
Zwidelang
 
9:03 AM
also auto x = [=]{ if (bool_cond) return a(); else return b(); }(); @thecoshman that's much better than ?:, innit?
 
user142019
@thecoshman Go lacks a conditional operator. You must love it.
 
My current whimp is to have a baby crocodile as pet, then when it is half grown, flush it down the toilet, and hope it grows into a monster in the sewage
 
oh wait I forgot braces because ~easier to read~
 
> On May 19, 2007, Kalinin allegedly identified a vulnerability in a password-reminder page of the Nasdaq website. Five days later, prosecutors said, he fashioned a text string that injected SQL programming code that allowed him to obtain cryptographically hashed login credentials from the page. He then shared the string with Gonzalez.
 
auto x = [=]{ if (bool_cond) {return a();} else {return b();}}(); @thecoshman much better with braces
 
9:05 AM
omg l33t haxx yo, sql injection innit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit text strings should really be made illegal, this shit is getting out of hand
 
@StackedCrooked mm
 
I don't see how obtaining cryptographically hashed login credentials is useful.
 
ITT everyone hates every language feature
@StackedCrooked you can guess their password, hash your guess, and see if it matches
And with a modern computer with a beefy GPU, you can typically make a lot of guesses very quickly. :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, what an idiot, you should only share the info with your super computer at home which is linked to your bank account >_<
 
9:09 AM
@jalf lol
that's like saying UE4 renders by simulating balls bouncing of walls, except the balls are of size of the photons and there's 5 millions of them.
 
it's still true :)
 
@TonyTheLion Interesting. What I find surprising is how is it possible that the hackers are not protecting themselves from getting eavesdropped on? The article cites some IM messages. I would have hoped hackers would know better to communicate over encrypted channels or even using things like OTR.
 
@StackedCrooked If they're MD5..
 
@jalf I'm gonna be totally obsessed with voxels for a next couple days, you gotta excuse me.
 
cool
 
9:14 AM
also, speaking of geek girls.
Hedy Lamarr (; 9 November 1913 – 19 January 2000) was an Austro-American actress and mathematician, celebrated for her great beauty, who was a contract star of MGM's "Golden Age." Mathematically talented, she and composer George Antheil invented an early technique for spread spectrum communications and frequency hopping, necessary for wireless communication from the pre-computer age to the present day. When Lamarr worked with Max Reinhardt in Berlin, he called her the "most beautiful woman in Europe" due to her "strikingly dark exotic looks", a sentiment widely shared by her audiences ...
 
@StackedCrooked: You can AFAIK correlate them with other known passwords from other sites as well.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wasn't that the name of the guy's pet headcrab in HL2?
 
...if the hashes are not salted.
 
@jalf that would explain the name, wouldn't it? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Interesting.
 
9:16 AM
Bonjour atout
 
@wilx but even if they are salted, that just means you have to guess each password independently, which is pretty doable these days, at least for sloppy sites which use the wrong hashing algorithms
 
Yeah.
 
Phew.
 
Not least because each password you manage to guess is input into your dictionary of "what passwords typically look like", so you can make better guesses and require fewer tries with the next one
 
Okay, I feel a lot better.
I guess the outside air is very good here.
 
9:19 AM
also I have just realized that with Lundi it would be perfectly ok to write lua["glVertex"] = &glVertex;
 
Is that bad?
 
@ThePhD what's up?
 
@ThePhD I don't think it's useful, but it's kinda funny, innit?
 
@jalf I felt sick and had a really bad night where I felt like I was in the throes of a fever. I thought I was sick but upon checking temperature, apparently not -- and after going outside, I feel a whole lot better. :D
 
Also @ThePhD @EtiennedeMartel since Epic made their Elemental demo on DX11, I should totally recreate it with GL4 with better results :)
 
9:22 AM
@BartekBanachewicz lol @ "The authenticity of passion was attained by the film director's off-screen manipulation of a safety pin strategically poking her bottom."
 
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Q: Linker error in C++ function call

Andrea FI created a C++ Class called Blue and a function within that class called void drawblueline() I'm new to programming but thought I would call this in my command line by writing int main( ) { Blue blue; blue.drawblueline(); } I'm getting two linker errors on blue.draw.. if there's nothing ...

 
@BartekBanachewicz lua["varub"] = (unsigned long long)(void*)&null; // <3 <3 <3
 
@ThePhD won't work
@wilx lol :D
 
@ThePhD hidden camera ready?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Eh?
 
9:23 AM
@ThePhD how is that different from lua["varub"] = 0u;?
 
this evening, remember?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's the address of where null is. :3c
 
@ThePhD oh wait I've read nullptr. But it's still a number for Lundi, so, um, well... dunno what's special about it. It's not like it can access this memory.
 
@TonyTheLion Does leaving at 14:00 to the next place from Paddington sound like a good idea?
 
Also I don't think we accept long long
Lua sandbox is very hard to break, even with stuff like that.
 
9:27 AM
Alright,
SHOWA TIME.
Also fuck Clang. =[
 
@jalf Performance!
 
user142019
PBKDF2
 
user142019
500 billion iterations.
 
This guy still doesn't get it.
15k and he doesn't know the basics.
 
user142019
9:29 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Doesn't MSVC have linker pragmas or something?
 
user142019
They could be in headers. :P
 
@ThePhD poor tony ... hope his in the shape for this >_<
 
seriously look at his face
 
does he look like a guy that "gets it"?
 
9:32 AM
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: It doesn't matter what the duplicate question means. It matters whether or not the answer to this question is found in the linked question, which applies. The meaning of "duplicate" was changed. It's also the reason why you can't close against a duplicate with no upvoted answers. — Madara Uchiha 2 mins ago
halp
 
Do you look like a guy that gets it?
Do I? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz haha
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Bullshit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz as I wouldn't leave it on the one line, yes, braces are much better.
 
user142019
9:33 AM
Always surround if-bodies with braces.
 
user142019
Always.
 
@rightfold I know. Help me to tell him that please!
Some dickwad upvoted the wrong comment
 
Wait, String([1,2,[3,4],17.5]) is "1,2,3,4,17.5" in JavaScript?
 
@thecoshman the whole point of that was to put it in one line :F
 
user142019
@MadaraUchiha Bullshit. — rightfold 7 secs ago
 
user142019
9:34 AM
That was easy. :>
 
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 why would you do that though? it is easier to read if you use white space.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really? I expected it to be [NaN, "{hello: \"world\"}"].
 
@thecoshman because if I want to do, say, 8 statements in one function, I don't want to spend 50 lines on it
 
The amount of incompetence poured into the design of some languages never ceases to amaze me.
 
user142019
var x T
if boolCond {
    x = a()
} else {
    x = b()
}
 
user142019
9:36 AM
Woop.
 
now repeat it for 8 variables.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... but white space makes each of them easier to read. And unless you are using a terrible editor, you can 'fold' them away so that you do not have to see them.
 
user142019
There's this thing called functions. They let you reuse code. It's wonderful.
 
@thecoshman aha, so I am writing ~better~ code to hide it from sight?
Yes, I agree that this code is easier to read when it's hidden.
 
@BartekBanachewicz if you are not looking at a section of code, why look at it?
 
9:38 AM
@rightfold there's a function for it already
@thecoshman the section is assignment of 8 variables.
 
user142019
Then what's the problem?
 
^ that's one hell of a beautiful prime number
 
@rightfold he refuses to use it
 
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Death. Problem solved.
 
9:39 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes C++? PHP?
 
user142019
+H+
 
@thecoshman I know that perhaps in Java world writing code that's unnecessary long is considered ok. But from my own experience, shorter code means less places to fuck up.
 
@BartekBanachewicz in my experience, explicate code code means less chances to fuck up.
it means easier to see fuck ups too
 
@thecoshman I can't fit all of those 8 assignments on my screen
I mean I could use a tiny font. Should I use a tiny font?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Man. Don't you feel shame at saying funny stuff like that.
@BartekBanachewicz You should
 
9:42 AM
@sehe I am joking, obviously.
@sehe Do java devs use tiny fonts?
 
I know, obviously. "Funny"
 
@BartekBanachewicz why do you need to see one whilst writing another?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Depends on the browser. Ba-dum-tishhh
 
Fuck
 
@thecoshman because they describe 8 possible quadtree traversions, and I need to see all of them.
 
9:42 AM
also, that thing you said about 'stop using bullshit and opinion', yeah, stop using bullshit and opinion
 
Fucking kerberos
 
@thecoshman "code that is unnecessarily long is bad" is not an opinion
it's a goddamn fact.
 
not just a fact, but a goddamn one. Those are the most factual ones
 
yeah. science bitch.
 
SO FACTUAL IT CAN DAMN A GOD
 
user142019
9:43 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Then why don't you write obscure Perl code?
 
:D
 
user142019
It's short as fuck!
 
ITT jalf driven to madness by kerberos. Again.
 
user142019
s/ by kerberos//
 
@rightfold because we are not talking about Perl?
 
user142019
9:44 AM
We were talking about code length.
 
You know what's really short? +v for v.begin().
 
that depends on language idioms.
 
user142019
Seriously if it's readable I don't care whether it's one line or five.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes stop it already.
 
@BartekBanachewicz explicate is better then short
 
9:45 AM
@thecoshman I don't see how "?:" is not explicit explicative
 
Yuck! unsigned start = line.find(';'); if (start == string::npos) continue;
what's wrong with that?
 
user142019
@ArneMertz Lack of auto, braces around if-body and newlines.
 
^ so charming
 
@ArneMertz unsigned?
 
@sehe :)
 
9:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see how "?:" is not expletive!
 
@sehe shush. I am not the one using "explicate" as an adjective
 
user142019
readable ? ok : gtfo
2
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey. Don't dismiss my brilliantly apt puns!
 
Is cppreference.com down?
 
@ArneMertz continue if line.find(';') == std::string::npos;
 
user142019
9:47 AM
No.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. It looks cheerful from here
 
user142019
It's just being slow as a fucking turtle, as always.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 In shape for what? D:
 
ok, let me rephrase that, copy/pasted the wron stuff
auto start = line.find(';');
if (start == string::npos)  {
  continue;
}
 
user142019
Syntax error.
 
9:48 AM
@sehe lol ok. That's your fault for using cryptic words
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Check it yourself you lazy bastard.
 
@rightfold is brace at newline a syntax error in Gear?
 
@ArneMertz There's not reason for the start variable.
 
ITT "EXPLETIVE" is cryptic. Fuck that
 
24 mins ago, by ThePhD
@TonyTheLion Does leaving at 14:00 to the next place from Paddington sound like a good idea?
 
9:49 AM
@StackedCrooked I need it later
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
user142019
But tabs are.
 
@ThePhD seeing I am only done at five, you'll have to wait like 2hrs at the other end
you could for a stroll around there, because there's lots close by, if you fancy that
otherwise take a later train
 
@StackedCrooked unless it's being used later. Otherwise, there's no reason for the .find(';')
 
Ookay. :D
 
9:50 AM
:)
 
The problem: my fucking compiler doesn't know C++11 - and that shit compiles!
 
It compiles fucking?
 
user142019
@ArneMertz It probably assumes int since you only specified the storage duration.
 
Does it tokenize to smut?
 
@rightfold yes, it only emits a little warning about signed/unsigned comparison.
 
user142019
9:52 AM
IOW use a decent compiler and enable -Wall -Werror -pedantic-errors.
 
but shouldnt that be an error, since implicit int died ages ago?
 
@ThePhD Come on
@rightfold Error -pedantic-errors not pedantic enough
 
I'd like a compiler called "Fucking", and the language would be "smut." :D
 
user142019
@sehe -fpedant-level=tomalak
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sadly, the incompetence in one language tends to spread and infect others. Delphi now has locks on all objects instead of simply providing synchro classes - a 'feature' that leaked in from another bad language. C# has had 'Thread.IsAlive' diffused into it from another bad language. "Hey J*** has these things!", "Yeah, but one wastes space and adds overhead, the other returns stale data", "Oh yeah, they're crap, but developers are using them - we'd better incorporate them anyway".
 
9:53 AM
@rightfold decent compiler: I pretty much would like that. Really. Need some more years to disentangle the code from the compiler vendor's propietary libraries...
 
cpx
How do I use UML for C++? Do I need to like draw every line that in write in code? Books don't have any examples..
 
user142019
You don't.
 
cpx
I would like to see a real example of a project..
 
UML sucks, throw it out the window.
 
user142019
UML is only applicable to Java.
 
9:54 AM
@rightfold -Werror: not before we eliminated the 2000+ warnings in that mud of legacy code...
 
@rightfold indeed
 
user142019
It maps directly to Java's features.
 
user142019
Other languages have features that UML lacks.
 
cpx
I thought UML was language agnostic.
 
:)
 
user142019
9:55 AM
@cpx In theory.
 
@cpx You thought <buzzzzzzz>
 
user142019
It's agnostic when "agnostic" means "all languages of which the feature set is a subset of Java's".
 
user142019
Flow charts are agnostic.
 
user142019
But not class diagrams.
 
@rightfold It's not to bad if you keep it really abstract (no property's/functions)
 
9:56 AM
"agnostic" means it does not know about languages (other than Java) so it has no means to describe features it (Java) does not know...
 
@MartinJames I think IsAlive is actually deprecated now.
 
@MartinJames C# has the lock thing too, ftr :)
 
cpx
What kind of modelling tool do you use for C++ if UML isn't applicable?
 
but yeah, it is the dumbest idea ever
 
Wait, it isn't. I was confusing with something else.
 
9:58 AM
@cpx Prototypes
 
@jalf Fucking J***
 
cpx
@sehe Oh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was gonna say, I couldn't find it in 1.3, 1.4.2, 1.5.0, java 6 or java 7
 

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