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11:00 AM
@Xeo hehe
@StackedCrooked Overpopulation is a problem that tends to solve itself.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked "stop medicine"
 
I'll document it when I release it :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, that TED talk?
 
user142019
TED, TALK!
 
@StackedCrooked No idea.
But it's rather obvious.
 
Xeo
11:01 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't help but read all-capslock messages in that voice now :(
 
> CPLUS_DO_FINALLY
hehe
 
Overpopulation feeds back negatively into itself.
 
Yesterday I saw a TED talk by David Blaine. I didn't like him before, but now I do.
 
@Xeo I read it in Psycho's outer voice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but if you overpopulate massively and use all the natural resources, you're fucked
 
11:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Presto! No more overpopulation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it can fall to underpopulation
 
@sehe Executes a finally block. (Or looks like it does. There's no way to make one not execute, of course.)
 
@BartekBanachewicz It can now fall to zero. The negative-feedback has a phase-shift introduced by thermonuclear weapons and so has become unstable.
 
@Potatoswatter np
 
@BartekBanachewicz What the hell is that?
 
user142019
11:03 AM
Humanless Earth, you say?
 
user142019
Must be a great planet.
 
@Potatoswatter maybe for the 380 line, nested switch-if-else-if-else monster, yes ;-)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes DEATH
 
That's called extinction.
 
> Posted by Potatoswatter at Thursday, September 08, 2011
 
11:04 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only cockroaches and Java programs will survive.
 
@sehe Yeah, it's bloated up a bit, now. But it's going somewhere… I swear it is…
 
Just think you should know it is that time of the month for me ... but ... move on
 
> P.S: I don't want to use EnvelopedCms.Decrypt(), I know it exists, but I don't want to use it uhoh
 
So if nations become more developed the population may drop.
 
@StackedCrooked Oh. I was merely considering things like famine and shit.
 
11:06 AM
it worries me that dumb/ignorant people tend to have more children
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Strangely, it seems to be a weird time of the month for some of the male Loungers as well.
 
@MartinJames what do you mean?
 
@StackedCrooked Population drops if growth becomes negative. Having "less" kids doesn't mean negative growth, per se
 
Once you have overpopulation (like "too much", not just "a lot"), you cannot feed them all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes famine and shit don't go together
 
11:07 AM
@sehe In the long term it does I think.
 
@StackedCrooked needs citation. "I think" is not really scientific
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 They are wearing female deodorants and merging in showers.
 
@StackedCrooked Developed countries also have lower death rates.
 
this looks awful
I wanted to visit Asia until I saw all that
 
11:08 AM
@sehe Well, if the old people die.
 
@StackedCrooked In developed countries they don't.
 
@MartinJames I heard @ThePhD is hearing your way soon ;)
 
@StackedCrooked Who says that prosperity won't dramatically drop before the population decrease could set in
 
Eventually they do.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm flying out of range.
 
11:08 AM
Well, the famine is the fallback then.
 
@StackedCrooked Also, that's not the point. They need to die faster than the birth rate
 
that's why I said "I think" because I haven't looked closely at the math
 
Dammit. I Browser fail copy/paste
 
well most families in some developing countries are having 3+ kids
 
In underdeveloped countries people have more kids, but they also have a much higher infant mortality rate.
 
11:10 AM
> developing/muslim countries
 
@StackedCrooked wtf
 
the poor a region is ... correlated to lower average education, they more kids they have
 
user142019
inb4 "that's racist!"
 
You cannot carry on a family line with 2 kids if one is going to blow itself up. You need 3+.
4
 
11:13 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 How many of those three or more live to have a family of their own?
 
user142019
Condoms or poverty, their choice.
 
issac newton never had kids, pity ...
 
He was too busy poking his eyes with needles.
When I put it like that, it sounds insane. Wait, that's because it is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dunno, but it doesn't look like their population is decreasing ....
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Infant mortality never amounts to much…
 
11:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's three or more that survive infant mortality, so most of them will have a family
 
Give subsistence farmers who never had enough to eat, or their ancestors in all history, a handout and you will soon see how fast humans are capable of multiplying.
 
@Potatoswatter It gets as high as 10% in many places.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And how much lack of restraint does it take to have 10% more unprotected sex?
 
And dead kids mean less resources needed!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes More trash bags.
 
11:22 AM
@Potatoswatter the thing is that it's not about lack of restraint. It's about having a family that can support you when you're old. And since the kids are going to be poor, you need more kids to support you...
 
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Was it succesful?
 
@ArneMertz Then how do you explain absent fathers?
 
are there no laws about that?
 
@Potatoswatter Rather slow! It takes at least a decade for a generation to mature! Imagine how many mice you can get in that decade!
 
11:25 AM
@arne more kid to support poverty :P
 
anyone ever listen to a song on loop for like four hours and by that time realize you haven't changed the song?
 
@Potatoswatter okay, maybe I did not follow the conversation completely - thought it was about developing countries in general. The absent fathers are a problem more in the urban regions AFAIK
 
@crowz I did ...for 3 hour
 
DING DING DING
Change of topic. We shall now discuss floral arrangement in western culture, and asian cultures on the other hand.
 
11:28 AM
I don't have any strong opinion on wetsern culture
 
In Medieval Europe, they used to use flowers at weddings simply because everyone smelled awful
3
 
how do I remove the widget part :L
 
@FlorisVelleman Wow, that's nuts. Are you a good florist?
 
This song. THIS GODDAMN SONG. My friend was playing it in the car and now I can't get it out of my head youtube.com/watch?v=9vOkpOKpy6Y
 
11:29 AM
@Crowz They still do that in the USA.
5
 
@croz lol ..
 
@sehe uhm. gotta phone my fiance, I don't know a scrap about all that green stuff
 
@FlorisVelleman Dickwad.
 
@sehe That worked great :>
 
Indeed it did
 
user142019
11:34 AM
@Potatoswatter dat pun.
 
@Crowz maybe I should switch songs, too.. it's been some hours now
 
user142019
I'm so tired.
 
@Crowz Only four hours? You suck.
 
user142019
@Crowz Use a shuffle playlist, you noob.
 
I think it's annoying how the song "Get Out Of My Head" by Combichrist gets stuck in my head and I listen to it on loop just wanting it to... get out of my head
 
user142019
11:48 AM
iTunes' play next feature is fucking great.
 
@Crowz I did for days :S
 
BIG NEWS
 
little news ._.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're pregnant?
 
Android 4.3 with OpenGL ES 3.0 came out
 
11:51 AM
that's not big news at all.
I'd suggest that for virtually all of us, it's basically irrelevant.
 
Bartek came out
 
even for those of us with an Android phone, it's probably just another OS update
 
ES3.0 is going to finally get utilized!
 
@DeadMG I'd suggest that for at least the next 5 years, applications will have to target older versions of Android
 
11:52 AM
Hackers use Android 'master key' -- BBC News -- 13 minutes ago -- Symantec says it has detected two Chinese health apps containing a recently discovered exploit that allows hackers to take control of Android
 
@BartekBanachewicz by who?
 
@jalf by Android AAA devs
 
@BartekBanachewicz Show me one who actually requires the latest version of Android
 
Anyway, wasn't Android 4.3 released, like, two days ago?
 
(hint: they do not exist because Android is fragmented as fuck, and all your users are stuck on older versions)
 
Ell
11:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Awesome!
 
see?! Ell does care!
 
so unless your target audience is basically "myself", you won't be able to use recent features like that
 
@jalf everyone who wants to use ES3
 
@BartekBanachewicz I care too. I think it's cool. I'm just pointing out that it's not useful at all in the near future
 
Ell
Anyone with a nexus device will be able to use it probably
 
11:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ... and who are willing to make the tradeoff of not having any users
 
user142019
Android is unusable.
They won't be able to use it.
 
@jalf it applies to a lot of devices already on the market
 
@BartekBanachewicz what does?
 
@jalf not really. GPUs in phones and tablets already supported ES3, just android didn't
@jalf ES3, I don't care about other features
 
@BartekBanachewicz But how does that help someone who is writing software to run on Android?
 
11:55 AM
and ES3 is a very big step forward compared to ES2 which was an extension hell
@jalf if you are writing a game, ES3 is much better than ES2, that's obvious
 
@BartekBanachewicz I agree, but you are completely missing the point
it doesn't matter how nice it is to code
 
it packs all the stuff that required special handling in ES2 into one spec
 
You cannot write an Android app targeting the latest version of the OS and expect people to use it because virtually everyone are stuck on older OS versions
 
thus you can now simply check if the device requires ES3, and if it does, it's way easier
@jalf if you are writing a high end game you are targetting people with modern phones anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz not really
If you are writing a high end game, you are targeting a broad enough user base to pay for your high end development
 
11:57 AM
that's like saying that Epic Games cannot write UE4 because how many people has Kepler cards already
I mean they cannot write it
virtually everyone is stuck with a GF 9xxx
 
@BartekBanachewicz Irrelevant
That's a matter of performance, not of the OS hiding the features you need
 
@jalf Yeah, it's catching up, but the amount of people on 2.3 is still quite significant.
 
@jalf The older GPUs also lacked features FYI, it's not only about performance
Cutting Edge == Some people won't run it
and that's so painfully obvious I dunno why I have to spell it out
 
@BartekBanachewicz So? Tell me, given the tiny user base who have kepler cards, how many resources do you think Epic pours into Kepler-only functionality?
 
It's about 35% 2.3, 35% 4.2, 20% 4.0.
 
11:59 AM
@jalf a lot
Because it's "Kepler and newer", not "Kepler specific"
 
rolls eyes
 
the whole Samaritan and Elemental demos are their showcase
they have UE3 on the market making money for them, so now they're making another cutting edge stuff
but they say upfront "this will require biggest gunz your pc store has" (at least right now)
 
So we're back to what I said 15 minutes ago: this version of Android is irrelevant for at least the next 5 years
 
and every PC gamer knows that.
@jalf no, not at all. The same principle applies.
 
Meaning that yes, ES3.0 support is great for developers working on something that'll be launched 5 years from now, but completely and utterly irrelevant to anyone delivering a product in the near future
 
12:01 PM
no, if it's going to be a cutting edge product that targets people with newest phones
 
@BartekBanachewicz that "principle" being? "ES3.0 is way nicer to code and therefore it is relevant"?
 
@jalf Not if you have stockpiled food for five years, like in your nuclear shelter or something.
 
I think you are seriously overestimating the "newest phones" thing
 
I think you fail to see that I am not concerned with mainstream shit at all.
I know that angry birds will target android 1. So what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think you fail to see that we are not talking about focusing on the top 5% of the market
 
12:03 PM
@jalf I am talking about exactly that, and I don't know why you ever thought otherwise
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cool. Wake me up when 5% of the Android user base has Android 4.3
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't. My point is that the top 5% of the market are not going to have support for this any time soon
 
@jalf considering phones are shipped with new versions, and the typical lifetime of a phone is about 2 years...
 
You appear to be operating under the misconception that Android is like Windows where people are actually able to upgrade
 
@BartekBanachewicz "considering phones are shipped with new versions" hahaha
 
@jalf people are actually able to upgrade android.
 
12:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz how many?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... and considering that most people don't buy the absolute newest phones, and that often, even the newest phones ship with versions of Android which aren't the latests
 
@BartekBanachewicz If they are, they don't.
 
@BartekBanachewicz most aren't
 
seriously, it's a matter of pressing "update" button
 
I don't know which planet you're inhabiting, but their Android is clearly radically different from ours
 
12:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It isn't.
 
I dunno, maybe I live under the nexus rock
 
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@BartekBanachewicz No, it is a matter of your telco pushing the update to your phone, which they don't
 
^ so cute
 
if you're lucky and you have a phone for which an upgrade is available and you have a telco who actually bothers to release that update, then sure you can upgrade. But most phones get at most one or two OS updates in their lifetime
and those are rarely to the newest version
 
12:06 PM
 
Because android is fucked and phone companies are fucked
 
> Successful Software Projects
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz You seem to.
 
Nevertheless, yes, it is nice that Android now has ES3.0. That certainly brings us closer to the day where you'll be able to use it and still target a user base broader than "me and 8 other people"
 
12:07 PM
8 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's about 35% 2.3, 35% 4.2, 20% 4.0.
Current distribution of versions used by people that use the Google Play Store.
 
Android sucks.
2
 
Go back a few months and <=2.3 was an absolute majority.
 
okey, nevermind then. The world is fucked.
 
fucked is fucked
 
12:08 PM
I will port minicraft to ES3 anyway shrugs
 
and that as a whole is really FUCKED
so essentially, we can reduce everything to doom and fuckedness.
Also, I'm talking out of my ass
 
I like how 3.2 almost doesn't exist, but 2.3 actually still has a relative majority.
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it does.
 
@BartekBanachewicz true
 
Ell
I want an android 3d game engine :O
 
12:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Cool. :)
 
Ell
try {
	Thread.sleep(15);
} catch (Exception e) {
	// No need for this...
}
lol
 
+1 for the the nice line above! — Amogh Dikshit 1 min ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because a lot of 3.x phones were compatible with 4.x upgrades, while 2.x weren't?
 
@sehe Dikshit strikes again
 
12:12 PM
Hmmmm
I'm thinking maybe I should just rent a large room in London
cause really, I don't need that much space.
also, that would mean I could save some monies
 
renting rooms sucks.
rent a small flat.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think so (sadly, compatibility rarely enters into the picture. Most phones could be updated, if the update was made available, but it isn't)
 
why does it suck?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Rooms can't rent, silly.
 
@TonyTheLion are you taking the job in London?
 
12:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz More or less that idea, but s/phones/manufacturer's whims/
 
@jalf yes :)
 
Cool :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @jalf well if you forbid the official update, you force people to get newer phones, basically, which equals $$$
 
cpx
I will use UML in Visual Paradigm to get just an overview of workings of a C++ project.
 
World never said Hello back ;_;
 
12:15 PM
@cpx you're fucked
@Magtheridon96 :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz yup
 
cpx
@BartekBanachewicz It's better than just using pen and paper.
 
cpx
And throwing it away.
 
JBL
12:16 PM
Don't throw it away > better.
 
user142019
@cpx Nah.
 
cpx
I mean unless you mean drawing UML on paper.
 
@Xeo do you know any Berlinerisch?
 
lol, we're making our own TV here at work
@cpx no, I simply mean that UML is useless for C++
 
cpx
Why not just print the UML diagram after it's done instead of using a pencil?
 
12:18 PM
@cpx because a box and a few lines is worth as much as that piece of crap diagram
i also draw on my iPad, but it's really irrelevant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you? :p
 
@melak47 No.
 
Phew. I hoped that'd not be something they teach you at a German class.
 
I have only met one person that spoke like that so far.
 
Berlinerisch seems to be more popular in Brandenburg than in Berlin
 
12:23 PM
Lol, this answer was actually accepted by the asker :D
 
cpx
I think UML isn't a complete tool for any kind of language but still it's nice to have an overview or plan things out before we start writing code.
 
@melak47 lol
 
Hm.
 
@cpx then don't use UML. Create an overview diagram, but don't use UML for that.
 
I have just watched some ABC News bit on the George Zimmerman case and skimmed through Wikipedia article about it.
It seems to me, basically, that while he has killed the kid, the prosecution has fucked up.
Am I right?
 
12:25 PM
I also should write OpenGL|ES like that because it looks cool
 
They charged him with murder instead of lesser crime.
 
rightfold created repository hexapoda  39 minutes ago
rightfold created repository cowmemo  40 minutes ago
 
And the jury was completely correct in their decision.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh no
 
cpx
Honestly, I feel the need of UML because I haven't written code in C++ for a couple of months. So, it seems like I'm forgetting and I need UML to support me to get a better picture.
 
12:27 PM
@wilx it's kind of hard to see what the prosecution could've done, given that they have a law basically saying it's ok to chase an unarmed person down and shoot him
 
@cpx Not sure you'll get much support for your UML arguments here.
 
:)
 
Monaco, where have you been all my life o-o
 
@jalf: It seems to me that the evidence is clear enough to show he killed the guy with his own gun. But the evidence is not enough to convict him of a murder (deliberate). The prosecution should have use manslaughter or killing or whatever is the right term (non-deliberate).
 
@wilx I'm not sure that would've helped. Because really, as long as he felt threatened, it was legal to gun the kid down. So it wouldn't have been manslaughter either
 
12:29 PM
The jury was apparently constrained by prosecution's choices.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
 
user142019
I'm already working on the latter.
 
user142019
I'm open-sourcing it.
 
@jalf It also seems to me that the only real evidence is that there was a struggle and Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. I'm not sure what evidence actually supports either side of the story.
 
@rightfold what's cowmemo? memo app using nothing but cowboy_cast?
 
12:30 PM
@DeadMG I think that might be where the "racial" stuff comes into it. He gets the benefit of the doubt: he said he felt threatened, and we can't prove otherwise, so he probably was
 
user142019
@melak47 lol
 
@jalf: I think the "stand your ground" law is not about that...
Dunno.
 
@jalf I don't think so. There would be no difference if Trayvon was white; as long as we can't prove non-aggression on his part, then Zimmerman would have to walk.
 
@wilx It doesn't matter what it is "about". What matters is what it applies to. which is pretty much any situation where you feel threatened by someone else. You can shoot them and it'll be self-defense
 
@wilx well how's he supposed to stand his ground if the other guy runs away :)
 
cpx
12:31 PM
@TonyTheLion I think so too. I just need to stop mourning and get back to what I was doing.
 
I blame the prosecution for Zimmerman going scot-free.
 
@DeadMG there's a gaping hole in that logic though. Given that the other guy is dead, we only get to hear one side of the story. Giving that story the benefit of the doubt seems a bit off
 
@jalf There's nothing else that can be done. The burden of proof is, and always should be, on the prosecution.
 
@DeadMG You don't even need actual non-aggression, afaik. The shooter just had to "feel threatened". (And it was a black kid, some people find that alone to be threatening)
@DeadMG I largely agree. I'm just pointing out that the racial stuff might have had an influence on the trial, because what it basically came down to was "did the white guy feel threatened by this black kid". But the only reason it came down to that question in the first place is that they had a completely fucked up law
 
He did not seem white to me. He is Latino, is he not? (Latent racism in me?)
 
12:35 PM
@wilx I dunno, maybe
 
@jalf what was that about arming teachers? sounds like a great idea combined with this...
 
LoadLibrary doesn't throw any exceptions
 
@TonyTheLion I don't think there is a point
 
yea that's what I thought
I will hereby remove it
 
LoadLibrary throws std::book
If you're unlucky, std::bookshelf
 
12:37 PM
hahaha
 
cpx
@BartekBanachewicz Just curious.. could you say something on why not to use UML?
 
@cpx "It's nice if your diagrams are readable without having to cross-reference everything with The Book Of Rules"
If I have to remember what each of four different types of arrows mean, then your diagram is bad and you should feel bad ;)
@Magtheridon96 what kind of libraries do you visit, where they throw bookshelves?
 
cpx
I intended to make the diagrams readable, and that would be the whole point of UML.
Like this question I asked the other day about arrows:
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Q: Differentiate between various types of sequence diagram messages

cpxI have been using "Visual Paradigm" to model a sequence diagram and I came across various types of messages that you can use such as: Message Send Message Call Message Sequence Message They can be either asynchronous or synchronous but there's no visual difference so, how can you tell from a ...

 
@jalf None, but loading a whole library in one trip is quite a lot of work and you may lose books or whole bookshelves in the process ;_;
 
@cpx Keep it simple. UML keeps it extremely complicated. If you want to draw a diagram of something, then you already have a pretty good idea of what information is relevant and what isn't.
 
12:43 PM
@Magtheridon96 so they're not thrown, they fall off a truck?
 
@melak47 Yes
 
just draw some boxes and squiggles, man!
 
If I see a rectangle with a descriptive name in your architecture diagram, then I can pretty much guess that it represents a component in your architecture. It doesn't matter what kind of horizontal lines go through it, what the arrows pointing to/from it look like, and you probably don't need to list every function that is part of its interface either. And I don't care whether the box has rounded corners or not
@melak47 yes, that, basically
 
@cpx how would you draw CRTP on UML diagram?
Also I don't think that adhering to a strict rules is really helpful
 
@melak47 Luckily cowboy_cast is not an OISC.
 
12:45 PM
Hmm...
 
"a 1-foot pole" or "an 1-foot pole"?
Latter sounds funny.
 
About GNU Make (or any other make), what was the prefix for a command of a rule to use so that when the command fails, it is not fatal?
+?
 
-, I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't think Bartek was that tiny?
 
cpx
@jalf /me nods
But sometimes I'm just curious to know what the other things mean which aren't the part of simplicity.
 
user142019
12:52 PM
@wilx I thought it was @. :v
 
@ is for not echoing the command
 
user142019
Ah.
 
@cpx if it's not simple enough to be understood at a glance it's useless
 
cpx
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oooh, he contributes to DFHack.
 
12:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes mhm
 
@cpx you can cure that just by looking at the size of the books that are written about UML. It should be pretty clear then that "if this is just for describing what diagrams should look like, then clearly something, somewhere, has gone horribly wrong" ;)
 
> A lua powerd tool for "Dwarf fortress" runtime modification.
teehee
lua::state state=lua::glua::Get(); ugh
 
user142019
Looks like Java.
 
lua_function<void,int,int>(&f_fails,"f_fails",state); ugh
 
user142019
I see a lack of type inference.
 
12:59 PM
okey, his library is not a competition (yet another)
 
Today a colleague of mine said discovered that his program execution time could speed up from 8 hours to 40 minutes if he runs his program in release mode without attaching the debugger.
 

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