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11:00 PM
@sehe what! XD
 
@Cicada Pretty cool stuff
 
@sehe Allow me to be skeptical and/or too stupid to understand it.
 
@Borgleader Permission Granted
 
@Borgleader Basically it means they use the MMU to compute stuff
 
@Cicada Specificly, the fault trap mechanisms there! It's turing complete. @Borgleader this is akin to people discovering C++ templates were Turing Complete.
 
11:02 PM
@Borgleader Basically, they prove that Intel's memory managing hardware is a distinct Turing-Complete CPU in it's own right.
 
Ohhhh
why didn't they just say that!?
 
they did
you just can't read it :P
 
ow
 
what
 
What I think is: Meet the Bin.
 
11:06 PM
when I see "see full text" I know something bad is about to happen
 
try programmers.se
 
Lol. Sorry if that question is too large for this kind of format. I'll try programmers.se
Any other sites you'd reccommend?
 
fuckshittles.
I recreated my original code, and it just worked first time.
Main() {
    Help() << "Hello, World!";
}
Help() {
    return cpp("<iostream>").std.cout;
}
 
Whoa except the site is down, and is in Swedish
2
 
.____________.
 
11:09 PM
@MWGriffin When we write something.se, we actually mean something.stackexchange.com
 
Haha. Sorry for my ignorance!
 
 
@DeadMG You kicked the nove list out?! People who write books are awesome.
 
np, good luck
 
I was hoping there was a Stack Exchange for that kind of question! Awesome!
Thanks again!
 
11:10 PM
10 points for MWGriffindor
 
You're welcome!
 
Haha. I don't get that too often
 
Ell
256gb SSD for £99? How are the specs? Need quick advice if possible
 
Ugh.
 
11:12 PM
@Ell WHATHEFUCK
 
I've spent the last 60 some hours wrangling with C++.
I'm gonna break.
 
I want one too
 
One what?
 
Seems like an ok deal, I don't know anything about the brand though
 
An SSD?
 
11:13 PM
@Ell google is quite helpful there
 
@Ell It's not the fastest, but still probably about three times or more faster than a mechanical hard drive.
the storage is extremely cheap, though.
 
Mine is 128Gb, cost me ~80 EUR
 
~500/400 MB/s seems up-to-date
 
also
I've never heard of that brand, so be careful
@sehe Wrong. It's a SATA-2 interface.
 
@kbok Same here
 
11:14 PM
the most you'll get is 300MB/s read, or maybe it's 250?
 
It was a life changer for me :)
 
or maybe the item specifics are just wrong.
it gives two different specifications
 
anyway, it's a lot of storage, but the brand is a no-name, so I'd be careful if I were you
 
Interface Serial ATA 6Gb/s compatible with SATA 3Gb/s and SATA 1.5G/s this page
 
Ell
11:15 PM
Hmm
 
Am I looking at the wrong thing?
 
no, it just gives two different specifications.
 
@DeadMG FWIW, LiteOn has made a lot of CD-ROM/DVD-ROM (and probably BD-ROM) drives for quite a while.
 
Ell
Apparently Dell use them
 
The 512Gb is slower?
 
Ell
11:16 PM
my bro says
 
@JerryCoffin It's a big leap from there to SSD.
anyway
it's very cheap storage, and even relatively bad SSDs are still much faster than mech drives.
so if you have spare money and feel like it, then get it.
 
@DeadMG No doubt -- their optical drives are decent (at least the ones I've used) but I know nothing about their SSDs.
 
@DeadMG Mmm. I agree, something is smelly there.
And the saying is "If it looks too good to be true ... .there'll be no warranty" /cc @Ell
 
Xeo
Gawd, I hate implementing copy / move constructors.
 
@DeadMG ...but only from some place with a good return policy.
 
11:18 PM
@DeadMG IOmega has started doing SSDs too, IIRC. Pretty decent ones, according to a review site
 
@JerryCoffin This one seems to have a "we'll answer in up to 48 hour" return policy and only if it's unopened, lol.
 
@Rapptz That's easy! Don't open it (no user-servicable parts anyway :))
 
@Xeo What I now feel I need to do for generic things like optional.
 
@sehe They are the major consumer item now.
one of the vendors, I think it was OCZ, even dropped out of the RAM market altogether, because SSDs are where the money is.
 
@DeadMG SSD, I presume, not IOmega :)
 
Xeo
11:19 PM
@LucDanton I'll tell you my opinion as soon as that site loads. :|
 
@sehe Yeah.
 
@Xeo Had the same issue.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG OCZ has mad drives, though.
 
@LucDanton Didn't have a problem here.
 
or here
 
11:20 PM
Bid Bouquet is a tad Sleeeeuow
 
I hit F5 like a madman.
 
Xeo
As in, fucking fast.
 
@Xeo Yeah, but more generally, there's no money in RAM or DVD drives or anything like that.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Aye, DDR3 is cheap. Compared to DDR2, anyways...
 
RAM: yes, but not the hotspot. Optical drives: hahahahaha. Last century :)
 
11:21 PM
@Xeo ...and DDR2 was cheap compared to DDR, which was dirt cheap compared to...
 
Whisky
 
@Xeo Why get DDR2 now a days?
 
27 mins ago, by Zoidberg
@sehe You'll still talk here for half an hour.
 
IIRC we're going to get DDR4 soon too.
 
^ @Zoidberg can I be excused now? :)
 
Xeo
11:23 PM
@LucDanton I don't quite see what it is that you're doing. Lemme check special_members...
 
@sehe Optical drives have been killed by the price of optical media. A 100 GB BDXL disc costs $61 -- about the price of a 500 GB hard drive...
 
500 GB? lol
A 1 TB is about $80
 
It will cost more to disable the rest of the capacity :)
 
@Rapptz Right -- I was actually picking an HD that was actually a bit cheaper than the BDXL disc. In any case, the price differential in favor of hard drives is huge.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton: If only MSVC had = default and = delete. :| Also, maybe I should've just gotten myself a value_ptr, because the unique_ptr for the stupid multi_array is the only reason I need a special copy ctor.
Seriously, fuck this shit. All of that for a little dev-command ~_~
 
11:28 PM
With movies getting smaller in file size while retaining quality, which in turn makes it easier to download HD movies, I see no point in Blu-ray discs anymore. The main advantage I had in my head was the fact that it was physical and could store large movies that couldn't be downloaded easily.
 
Xeo
Atleast it works properly. Narf.
 
I wanna get the populist badge :(
 
Xeo
Hmm.. I could actually use Expected<void> right now. Narf.
 
oh a discussion about Expected<T>! I missed the last one apparently
@Xeo what's up?
 
Xeo
@refp Internal function that may fail due to bad user input, but that should only throw when called from certain other functions.
 
11:35 PM
@refp I have one of those. I counted up once -- I'd have more than twice as many gold badges if fewer of my answers were accepted...
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin woa
 
@JerryCoffin Those motherfuckers. How dare they accept your answers!
 
Xeo
std::exception_ptr was in <exception> or <stdexcept>?
 
12
A: C++: Why can't I use float value as a template parameter?

refpTHE SIMPLE ANSWER The standard doesn't allow floating points as non-type template-arguments, which can be read about in the following section of the C++11 standard. 14.3.2/1      Template non-type arguments      [temp.arg.nontype] A template-argum...

this is my best bet, and that's not even a good answer
 
@Xeo It did seem a bit odd (to me, anyway).
 
11:37 PM
(just that the accepted answer is 10, which "only" requires 20 votes on my part)
 
Xeo
@refp 21
 
it's hard to write a good answer that doesn't get accepted :/ (unless the question is mad old)
@Xeo oh, it's literally > A*2 where A is the score of accepted?
 
Xeo
More than double, yep.
 
@refp But it's easy to write a bad answer that doesn't get accepted and gets the Populist badge.
:)
 
Guise
 
11:38 PM
11 / 23 is the bare minimum
 
@Xeo it's in <exception>
@Mysticial I didn't say that :/
 
Is there a GreaseMonkey or similar script for shortening the user list and other stuff on the right side so I can see more stars?
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Oh right.
 
More than 10, and more than double. Hence 11 / 23
 
@Mysticial meh, damn it.. then I'm not even close
 
Xeo
11:38 PM
@ThePhD Ask Cat for his CSS.
45
A: How many elements will be in the array?

Xeo6, with proof by Ideone (look at the errors). Edit: Actually, the example looked like this at first: #include <iostream> template<class T, int N> int length_of(T (&arr)[N]){ return N; } int main(){ char a [] = "EFG\r\n" ; std::cout << length_of(a) << std::e...

The accepted answer was a tough opponent.
 
@Xeo but you won, wiho!
 
Xeo
I think the other answer where I got this is already deleted.
I got populist and reversal on that.
 
@Xeo oh my god
 
I have his CSS for making shiny upboat and poopdown icons on voting.
 
I need to start becoming active on SO again, maybe the chance of getting a gold badge will increase (most def I guess)
 
11:40 PM
Other than that, I dunno.
 
Xeo
Ha, you can go to deleted questions from the badges...
 
@Xeo Oh that one was good.
Double gold badge.
 
Xeo
Aye
 
@Xeo someone asked that?
@Xeo :(
 
@CatPlusPlus Pssst, do you have a GreaseMonkey thingy for shortening the userlist and showing more stars? :O
 
Xeo
11:41 PM
Also, I'm close to another gold badge again. Well, technically, I'm close since a few months. But now it's only 1 vote away!
 
There's a hard limit on displayed stars
 
@Xeo "it should only throw if called from some function", are you sure about that phrasing?
 
If you've got 10 you won't get more
 
@Xeo Link so I can downvote
 
@Xeo I'm jealous.. I don't even have a gold badge
 
Xeo
11:42 PM
@refp "from certain other functions"
 
if I get a gold badge I might find my true SO spirit and get back to getting those 400 rep a day thingies, haven't answered a question in months
 
> You are creating a pointer and putting stuff there without allocating memory. Therefore you will have a memory invasion.
 
Xeo
It should throw if called from the constructor, but not if called from the strong-guarantee public reload() function.
 
Memory invasion? That's a new one.
 
Xeo
11:43 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That was a nice one.
 
@Xeo it isn't "it should only throw if called with the right parameters"? unwinding the stack to see if it should throw or not seems tedious
 
Xeo
@refp Uhh, no, it has no parameters. :)
What I mean is, I return the Expected<void>, and the caller decides whether to throw.
 
that made sense, I misunderstood what you wrote earlier.. as hinted by my previous message
 
Oh, I have no idea how to use these CSS scripts...
WELP no time like the present to learn!
 
Xeo
Hm.. boost::optional<std::exception_ptr> is as good as any Expected<void>, I guess.
 
11:45 PM
gives it two minutes until someone's gonna point out that CSS is in no way scripting
 
Xeo
Wait. I could just return an std::exception_ptr directly, right? Can you test that thing for emptyness?
 
:c
 
good night
 
Xeo
night
Uh... nope, no .empty() member, nvm~
(Why didn't they include that?)
 
@Xeo because std::exception_ptr is a magic piece of bullcrap
 
11:48 PM
> An image macro was created by Something Awful admin “OMGWTFBBQ” featuring a screenshot of Admiral Ackbar with the text overlaid “IT’S A TRAP”.[1] It spread to Fark sometime in 2002 (the earliest Google search results are from August), and was commonly used in photoshop threads as a running joke. It didn’t become associated with transsexuals and crossdressers until later, when it reached 4chan.
 
@Xeo however, you can set it to nullptr, same thing really
 
Xeo
@refp Can I also compare it to nullptr?
 
Wow... I just found out why I had a spike in profile views today...
Google is fast...
 
You keep track of your profile views?
 
@Xeo It's an std::shared_ptr in disguise.
 
11:50 PM
One can keep track of ones profile views?
Hey, 23,431! Cool.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton No .empty(), though! :|
 
@CatPlusPlus No I don't, but I had a big enough spike today for me to notice.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Answered something again?
 
@Xeo nope
^^ Direct link to my profile.
 
I wouldn't notice a spike if it went from 0 to infinity
 
11:51 PM
@Xeo you can just do "if (eptr) ..." or whatever
 
@CatPlusPlus Well then you're an idiot.
 
@Xeo Yeah, just like std::shared_ptr. empty is a container operation.
 
No, I just don't look at my profile unless I'm looking for some comment thread or whatever
And I never look at profile views because why on Earth would I do that for
 
Xeo
@refp Ooh, MSVC had it disguised as safe-bool. That's why I overlooked it.
 
I guess I'm just a bit more observant.
Since I notice all sorts of things.
 
11:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus Because you indent your code with spaces.
@Mysticial s/observant/self-absorbed/
 
{ std::exception_ptr eptr; try {if (rand () & 1) throw 1; } catch (...) {eptr = std::current_exception ();} if (eptr) std::rethrow_exception (eptr); }
@Xeo ^
untested though, just wrote it here because I got nothing better to do
with the above I meant to say that std::exception_ptr is nullptr by default, though if you wanna assign it a nullptr - go ahead.
I'm thinking about getting into D.. anyone gonna yell at me for that?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Huh. For some reason, I thought they had that too.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no idea what that acronym stands for.. care to enlighten me?
nevermind.. google was faster than you
... that #d is dead at FreeNode isn't exactly a good sign I guess
 

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