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Ell
7:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz 5 <-- here :D
 
@Ell scroll up a bit. I've posted the actual macro.
actually, there's more to it
 
@BartekBanachewicz ew
 
awwww
how fecking cute...
 
@thecoshman that's why I said that mixing it with templates is a bad idea
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Perforce.
 
7:02 PM
@Xeo I've used that at first job long time ago.
 
You'd probably have to bind each and every of them, and that's just not worth it
 
Ell
Yeah. I'll just manually write destructor
I'm not sure of the semantics of a shader... I guess it wouldn't be copyable?
 
I liked the idea of a client-spec.
 
@Ell it depends. It could, if you wanted it too.
 
Ell
Assuming destructing it does glDeleteShader
 
7:03 PM
@Xeo Uh, centralised
 
Ell
but then in the tutorial, he deletes them once they are in a Program
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Yea
 
I think you shouldn't wrap it until you've tried them, you know?
It takes a while to get used to how all this crap works
 
Ell
Yeah. I have tried a little, but I just hate all this C everywhere >.< it seems so simple to wrap haha
 
And bad wrapper is even worse than raw C
 
Ell
7:04 PM
I will carry on trying :)
 
11 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
And bad wrapper is even worse than raw C
Are you reading Jason's tutorial?
 
Ell
trying the raw c, I mean
 
Ell
arcsynthesis.org <-- this guy
 
Well, just ask me if you don't know something
 
Ell
7:05 PM
the modern graphics programming one
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz sure thing :) help is appreciated muchly :)
 
Why the fuck are you bashing C
 
@Cicada I am not bashing C. I've just said it can be better than bad C++
 
...
 
7:06 PM
C's annoying to write.
 
@Ell I've wasted countless hours on this, no need for you to waste all that time again
 
@BartekBanachewicz hey, I once heard that Intel employees can get a limited amount CPUs quite cheap each year. Is that true?
 
@Cicada hey, what's up?
@bamboon haha, where'd ya hear this?
 
@BartekBanachewicz well obviously
 
That freebox thing is the bee's knees.
 
7:07 PM
At work I'm in a small team and we're still using svn. Daily routine is simply checkout, commit, update and occasional merge. However, I wonder what the daily routine would be when using a DVCS.
 
@StackedCrooked DVCS FTFY. SVN is a VCS
 
@CatPlusPlus oooh, thanks
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, been a while, it was on XS (xtremesystems) I think.
 
@bamboon I've never heard about such a thing, to be honest :P
 
7:08 PM
@ThePhD I could try to help out
I don't have much time though
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks. Silly mistake.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I just reinstalled windows on my obsolescing but valiant laptop!
 
@Cicada waaa! is it faster?
 
valiant
 
But how would DVCS work in my team? I "commit" (submit a pull request) and then wait for a colleage to pull it in the main branch? Or do I do both steps myself?
 
7:09 PM
I was wondering where did you go
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, ok. thanks anyway.
 
if a 'symbol is a different size in shared object' and rebuilding doesn't fix it... what should I try?
 
@bamboon The only thing I'm getting from there is the secret news :P
 
@StackedCrooked There are several collaboration models to try
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Either you make a pull request, or you just push.
 
7:10 PM
@StackedCrooked it's one way
 
The simplest possible is just using it like a centralised VCS, only with much better offline capability
 
Where does the benefit of dvcs come in?
 
user142019
Is std::array<T, N> layout guaranteed to be same as T[N] layout?
 
@StackedCrooked coding when offline, mostly
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, local commits. That's nice indeed.
 
Xeo
7:10 PM
@StackedCrooked Local commits.
 
@StackedCrooked you commit versions, or swap to any other, with out having access to the central server
 
Not just commits, entire history analysis
Also versioning WIP work
 
@BartekBanachewicz haha, that's probably even better
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think yes
 
Ell
If I wanted to start making a game, instead of writing an engine, what would you recommend? if it's to sell/not open source
 
7:11 PM
@Ell UDK or Unity maybe
 
@Cicada also, today nobody is peeking into my screen. I can surely use some rest from her :P
@Ell C++?
 
I can put a very manly pic you know
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz anything
 
And pretend i'm some gay wrestler
 
Unity has flat license payment but no royalties AFAIR
 
7:11 PM
So that she won't bother you
 
I am afraid that won't work
 
UDK had royalties after certain threshold and dunno about other licensing options
 
Ell
I'll look into it. Not that I will ever make a game xD
I need artists
 
I think it's over 1 million dollars revenue or something
 
"Yea, it's all coding and cubes, and poof, suddenly her pants are down" <- actual quote
2
 
7:12 PM
Or was that the license
@BartekBanachewicz are you actually serious
 
@Cicada she was joking that time, of course :P but yeah, the quote is real
 
Okay tell her I'm actually lesbian
 
@BartekBanachewicz I laughed
 
Yeah like that ever happens
 
@kbok I laughed too
@Cicada but you aren't.
 
7:13 PM
Who cares
 
It would be a lie
 
How do you know?
 
Ell
The cake is a lie
 
I may totally be a guy dwelling in his mom's basement
For all you know
So whatever
 
@Cicada umm... it's less probable than just having a bf
 
7:14 PM
For all we know @Cicada is @DeadMG's alternate account
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah that's a good excuse
 
@StackedCrooked There are other, more complicated models
 
@kbok litb, actually
 
umm, a guy in a basement would be eve more probable I guess <scratches head>
 
You might want to maximise use of cheap branching
 
7:15 PM
@Cicada Yeah that makes more sense.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz is an opengl "program" comparable to a "material"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think yes
 
@CatPlusPlus Versioning WIP, what does that mean?
 
You might want to give every developer their own fork plugged into CI
And then set up a code review procedure like we had in Kyro
 
@BartekBanachewicz And he took the pic of one of his facebook friends.
 
7:15 PM
@Ell yes and no. Program is a lineup of shaders and the values of uniforms
 
@CatPlusPlus So that nobody commits anything, ever?
 
@Cicada Too bad I have all these google satellites photos :/
 
lol
 
My hands are shaking like mad I can't use chopsticks
 
@Cicada I don't buy it -- there's no faking your level of femininity. Oh, the right guy could probably manage it for an hour or two, maybe even close to a week -- but months on end? I'm going with "no chance".
 
7:16 PM
@StackedCrooked Feature branches and stuff
 
@kbok I got banned too! That's happening more and more, actually
 
Prejudice on french people I'm sure
 
Ell
God I wish I had a new face :(
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not sure what you mean by "that level of feminity" SHOULD I FEEL OFFENDED
 
Ell
a new, clean, unblemished face
 
7:17 PM
why?
 
inb4 "feminity = bitching"
 
@Cicada A feminine reaction would be to feel offended, yes.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz cos mine is covering in scars everywhere!
 
@Cicada it's your translation
 
I wish I had a new bank account; full of money
 
Xeo
7:17 PM
@Zoidberg Btw.
 
Ell
Ohh you were talking to someone but not me xD
 
@Cicada Also, if bitching was a female trait, I'd have bigger boobs than you
 
@Cicada I can't imagine why you should, unless you're sexist enough to think feminine = bad, or something equally silly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's not difficult ;;
 
@BartekBanachewicz bigger boobs != more feminine
 
7:18 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm just being silly (that's original)
 
Manboobs
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked: This should be an interesting read.
 
@Cicada inb4 fishing for compliments.
 
@Cicada also, pic or didn't happen
 
7:19 PM
It's too complicated in places but has some nice ideas in it
 
@Cicada Still bigger than everyone else in this room (I hope)
 
@kbok I can't compete against @sbi
 
WHAT
 
k, I'm going to play LoL, so switching to read-only
 
7:20 PM
oh yeah btw
I'm back into gaming
@BartekBanachewicz care to give me your lol handle?
 
HoTS? :>
@kbok bananu7
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks. I'm nireshar or something
 
"Lol" is a fitting name for that game~
 
I am playing a steampunk chick in a top hat; now say that LoL isn't cool
 
I play the dude that keeps growing
 
7:22 PM
that's Cho'Gath
lol
 
yeah :) it's been a long time
 
I play real MOBAs
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I have a feeling I know who you mean.
 
@Cicada that being?
 
DotA 2
 
7:22 PM
btw @Cicada, listening to madeon, downloaded everything, awesome.
 
@kbok I'm glad you like it!
 
@Cicada NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :< why. I mean, I would totally switch for dota to play with you, have you said earlier
 
I tried LoL and pwned everyone without doing anything, using 1 hero only, until rank 10 after which I stopped.
 
Ell
I have Dota2
 
7:24 PM
@Cicada why don't you play with us? with full team it's a lot more fun
 
You're probably bad
 
@Cicada :*
 
Well, I suck at video games, so I play LoL and Halo.
 
^ see
 
Ell
I don't find dota 2 entertainign :3
 
7:24 PM
I am out. my team is raging
 
Ell
I play tf2
 
@kbok Awh Deadmau5 + Madeon :3
 
But I pwn everyone at M.A.X. -- too bad no one actually plays this game except me
 
@CatPlusPlus YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA‌​AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
You won't regret it~
My code may be a little sore to look at but I think this can work out great~
 
^ Avantages en nature
 
7:27 PM
@Cicada Icarus is my favorite Madeon song.
 
My favorite is his remix of a Yelle song
 
Never heard of it.
Linkylinky?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Do you actually use that?
 
This one. It's in French so you won't understand the lyrics, but they are awesome.
 
7:28 PM
@Xeo In entirety? No
But there'll probably be some overlaps between my workflow and this one
 
@Cicada I listen to mostly instrumental stuff and I almost never pay attention to the lyrics of any song ever.
 
The girl basically sings "you have horses and ponies so let's make babies"
 
Xeo
Dammit, I want my 50mbit/s already, it sucks to not be able to watch yt vids. :s
 
It's why I could listen to Death Metal for a long time, until I started listening to the lyrics, which went something like:
"Killing all the 50 virgins andr aping their corpses."
 
@Xeo I want to post my net speed to make you cringe
 
7:29 PM
And then I was more careful about the Death Metal I listened to. =[
 
omg the lyrics ><
 
Xeo
@Cicada 150mbit?
 
More like 95
And 75 up
 
Wow that's fast.
 
ahahahahahaha
 
Xeo
7:29 PM
Eh, if I was living next door, I could've gotten 150mbit. :|
But just this house isn't connected to Unity Media.
 
@Xeo Tunnel down and hijack their wires.
 
^ my e-vagina just got wider
 
Death metal is music? And it has lyrics? I usually only get out "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr heavy guitar in the background" out of it
 
Xeo
@Cicada The uprate is impressive.
 
Faster than 99% of france.
 
Xeo
7:30 PM
@Cicada Baggy?
 
It looks like ping got worse though.
 
Oh no 2 ms worse!
 
@Cicada Is that really a good thing?
 
How will you ever play all those online games.
 
@ThePhD 7ms worse
@kbok I can store stuff!
 
Xeo
7:31 PM
lol
 
blerg
 
....
My head is terrible.
I thought of that thing I heard about called "Pocket Pussy" when she said store stuff.
I need help. ._.
 
Xeo
@Cicada How the fuck do you get those?
@ThePhD Not here.
 
We all need help
 
Xeo
Even Unity Media 150mbit down only got like 7.5mbit up, to ACK all the requests if it's going at full speed.
 
7:32 PM
@Xeo Renater is the provider of most (if not all) scientific labs / universities. Since I live in a student residence I am connected to my school's provider.
 
 
Xeo
And I only got 10mbit up with VDSL.
@Cicada Oh. Nice.
 
hahaha 0.11mb
 
Xeo
@Cicada > mlpchan
 
7:33 PM
> umadbra
 
probably googled for it
 
yeah
 
@Cicada Downloading like hell, also wireless networking in the big P -> bad idea
 
I don't go to mlpchan. Only the normal 4chan. On \B\
(Actually no)
 
@kbok Ouch.
 
7:34 PM
backlashes?
 
@kbok Yep.
 
I'm wiring ethernet everyone in my apartment, bathroom included :P
(No I'm not really doing that)
So, the thing with my modem is: you give it a magnet link and it downloads it and stores it in the built-in NAS. Then the other box, which is a media player, can play it as soon as it's ready on your tv.
 
@Rapptz forward lashes
Fluffylashes
 
@kbok That's nice
When I'm a grow up I'll have an awesome house too
 
Oh look a typo, you actually meant to write "fucking awesome" did you?
 
7:37 PM
@Cicada lol
 
With ssh and all
 
You still live in the uni campus?
 
Yeah
 
@ThePhD Those are backslashes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backslash
 
@Rapptz I know, but you had a spelling derp.
:3c
 
7:38 PM
ah. Damn it.
 
Muaahahaa it's immortalized in the chat for allll eteerniiity.
@CatPlusPlus So ready to see all my bad code? :3c
 
Yeah sure, I'm not awake today though
 
inb4 claws
 
It's all Visual Studio stuff, so if you don't have 2012 and November CTP you're all kinds of fucked.
 
@Cicada still squatting at your parents?
 
user142019
7:40 PM
So I just did my SQL homework.
 
I have 2012
 
2 mins ago, by kbok
You still live in the uni campus?
 
user142019
And other people from my class started with it an hour ago and are still not finished.
 
user142019
Noobz.
 
@CatPlusPlus you ever are?
 
7:40 PM
@Zoidberg Ohhh... SQL homework. Yummy.
 
@thecoshman No, I live hundreds of kms away from them, in a student appartment.
 
@kbok I still consider that squatting at home
 
I reached a breaking point and my brain times out
 
what
 
@kbok Makes perfect sense
 
7:41 PM
I had more alcohol this week than food
 
@CatPlusPlus was it about <age> years ago?
 
With this logic I'm squatting at home too
 
Sticks head above parapet... Is the flag-fight over now?
 
I think yes
That was fucking annoying
 
7:42 PM
@Cicada flag flag flag!
 
Also Tomalak is a baby
 
you guys flag the word fuck when used as emphasis?
 
I didn't dare post anything in case I caught something.
 
Really? Don't get all PHP ok.
(runs back to js room)
 
user142019
@MartinJames it's boring.
 
7:43 PM
@rlemon you don't say
we had 1 idiot flag some posts
then it cascaded to all other rooms
as usual
 
Um. Hm.
 
@Cicada was 'it' the only one?
 
because the flag system is BROKEN and meta won't do anything about it
 
I'm wondering how I should structure my final asset layout...
 
Xeo
@rlemon No, we don't.
 
7:44 PM
@thecoshman No but he started so whatever
 
Should it be "Data/Models" for all models and "Data/Textures" for all textures (even if they're used in the models?)
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Pfft, 'final'.
 
@ThePhD For you, is the type of a model the same as a texture?
 
@Cicada that's good enough for me < innocent face>
 
@Xeo Somewhat sensible final layout that I can deviate from massively as I get more frantic to make things work.
 
7:44 PM
It's not because they're related that they represent the same stuff
 
Not being a 10K + users I don't see flags - I do see the repercussions of said flags.. horribly broken system if you ask me
 
@Cicada Um. Your wording has lost me a bit.
 
@ThePhD depends really
 
..Though, thinking about it now.
I should really just have a flat directory tree.
"Data/{Everything}"
 
@ThePhD :O
 
7:46 PM
For specific characters, "Data/{Character Name}/{Everything}"
 
@Zoidberg Of couse it's boring. I only know one skilled SQL developer. He works for Visa during the week ,then drinks to forget. He's about 150 kg and can drink anyone else at our club under the table.
 
@ThePhD A model is not a texture and a texture is not a model.
 
damn
I need to turn up my warning level
 
@DeadMG /W4 is a nightmare.
 
user142019
@MartinJames I don't care.
 
7:46 PM
just had a crashing bug because I had a different initializer list order to member declaration order.
 
@DeadMG all the warnings, all the time
 
Xeo
@ThePhD No
 
yay. we won!
 
Xeo
/W4 is awesome, you just need to get rid of the silly warnings. :)
 
How do you do that? ;~;
 
Xeo
7:47 PM
Also, /Wx
 
I don't want to be warned about when something is being inlined. q_q
 
So @Cicada if you feel like playing Dota OR LoL, please lemme know :)
 
@MartinJames 150kg! That's suicide
 
Xeo
@ThePhD C/C++ options -> advanced -> Disable specific warnings: NNNN; NNNN; ...
 
@Xeo #pragma warning (disable: xxxx)
 
7:47 PM
Hm.
 
You mean Dota 2? I dropped Dota years ago when I moved to HoN (and dropped HoN months ago). And I don't have LoL (that's like having PHP)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That's not project-wide.
 
@Cicada HoN's community is the most corrosive community I've ever seen ever. o_O;
Dota 2 is a bit friendlier. LoL friendlier still.
 
@ThePhD It's dota's community.
 
@Cicada LoL isn't a bad game. You could give it a try
 
7:48 PM
Actually, Dota 2 and LoL's communitys are about even now.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I told you, I gave it a try
 
fuck, fuck, fuck.
why is it that everything I do keeps working easily?
there's gotta be some catch here.
 
@Cicada o_0 it means nothing to me
 
@Cicada i mean, level 10 and "omg I pwn everyone" isn't really trying
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah well the game is slow
 
Xeo
7:49 PM
@DeadMG Only as a developer do you know that fear, heh.
 
These people are usually newbies. You had other MOBA experience
 
The game is horribly slow
 
@Cicada it's as fast as Dota
 
What no
 
LOL
 
7:50 PM
just on higher skill levels
 
League is the SLOWEST MOBA ever.
 
In dota a mistakes kills you in a matter of seconds
In LoL you can cross half the map
 
well, you do watch tournaments, of course?
It's just the skill level
On low skill, it's slower
 
do you look at PHP files for fun?
 
7:50 PM
@Cicada Not even. Half-seconds. In HoN, where everything is more OP, you die in a a matter of blinks.
 
pros play fast like hell
 
sigh... I need to install all the openGL shit again ¬_¬
 
@ThePhD Yes. I know.
 
I forgot about that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well just look at HoN/Dota. I find hon faster than dota
 
7:51 PM
I've never played HoN, so I don't know
I was comparing Dota/Dota 2 to LoL
in which I have hundreds of hours of gameplay
 
So yeah. I think I'm gonna go with the more flat-folder structure for final assets.
 
and I am telling you, lvl 10 in LoL doesn't reflect the game at all
 
@ThePhD ¬_¬ you'r not much of a listener are you
 
@thecoshman o_O Did I miss something?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I believe you
 
7:53 PM
@ThePhD yes
 
Xeo
@ThePhD icculus.org/physfs -- haven't used it yet, but it seemed nice.
 
But I still find the game slow, and of low quality
 
@Cicada it has significantly improved over the past year
so are you referring to the state from a year ago, or current?
 
Have you even tried decompiling it?
 
It uses Lua.
 
7:54 PM
Look at the C++ classes
look
 
When I'm gaming, I'm not coding sigh
 
There's boost::fancy_stuff everywhere
 
I'd invite you over for beer and watching some tournaments, but I guess that ain't an option.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ha! Your workflow is clearly broken
I don't like beer :<
 
Then the drink of your choice, lol
 
Xeo
7:55 PM
@Cicada How is that a problem?
 
Also your gf is gonna get real mad
 
user142019
I only like Coca-Cola and cow milk.
 
We watched the world championship on a 50" TV
 
@Xeo yes
 
@Cicada I like to get her angry time to time :)
 
7:56 PM
0
Q: C strings deletion in C++

Aurélien OomsWhat's good and what's wrong? In which case do I have to call delete in order to prevent memory leak? Also, is the behaviour exactly the same in C and C++? Are there any differences? const char* a = "blahblah"; ... delete a; char b* = new char('a'); ... delete b; char c[100] = "blahblah"; ... ...

 
@Xeo That's actually something like I wanna do.
 
And my friends are my friends, and her opinion doesn't matter in that topic
 
Xeo
@Cicada <3
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, you like the angry sex huh?
 
hot steamy angry winter polish sex
 
7:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
let's maybe not get into details, shall we?
 
@Cicada sounds less appealing
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg, did you see the _VARIADIC_EXPAND_0X example I linked?
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's relatively highlevel
 
user142019
0
A: C strings deletion in C++

Zoidberg In which case do I have to call delete in order to prevent memory leak? Never; you must use std::string instead. std::string a("blahblah"); // Memory freed when a goes out of scope.

 
7:57 PM
@Cicada we're getting close to sucking.
 
user142019
@Xeo yes.
 
this sounds so dirty out of context
 
I'm calling miss Bananachewicz right now
 
I guess it's been a long day
 
@Rapptz 2 hours of sleep will do that to you.
 
7:58 PM
@ThePhD shush :(
 
Hint: it's you
 
@Rapptz <3
 

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