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3:00 AM
@Borgleader Awww yeah.
 
Killzone looked really nice (visually). Cloth simulation :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Awww Watch Dogs. Really cool visuals.
 
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Q: Should we update the "not constructive" closure explanation to point out that SO is not for "mentoring"?

Lightness Races in OrbitThe "not constructive" close message reads as follows: I'd like to propose a wording change that I feel better explains what Stack Overflow is not: This question is not a good fit to our Q&A format. We expect answers to generally involve facts, references, or specific expertise; this q...

@Mysticial i'm not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Be prepared to be floored when you see it.
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A: Why aren't programs written in Assembly more often?

ssgHellŠ¾, I am a compiler. I just scanned thousands of lines of code while you were reading this sentence. I browsed through millions of possibilities of optimizing a single line of yours using hundreds of different optimization techniques based on a vast amount of academic research that you would ...

 
@Mysticial That answer is bloody brilliant.
 
3:08 AM
@Borgleader 1400 upvotes in 6 hours. The mods (temporarily) locked it probably to keep it from getting out of hand.
 
It deserves all of them.
 
That's a separate issue...
 
it doesn't even answer the question
what nonsense
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree.
 
lol -1 a community wiki
 
3:11 AM
Lightness would -1 a community wiki.
-1 his comment +1 question, karma balance.
 
I don't give a fuck if it's chicken soup
It's a bad answer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why?
 
because it doesn't even attempt to answer the question
 
Too much fun for Tomalak and Stack Exchange
 
it's just some nonsensical rambling about pretending you're a compiler doing some optimisations
the worst part is that it's not even remotely funny
1,851 people are stupid
 
3:12 AM
I would, but I can't... Others can copy it, code involves solving an assignment. — evening 22 mins ago
 
It's a great, creative answer that succintly explains why you'll never be able to beat today's compilers.
 
I found it funny. But I didn't vote up or down on it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My god, remove that stick from your ass and grab another beer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Er, because the post is not funny? Dude
@ThePhD That's a stance I hadn't considered
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. I thought you did.
I mean, I thought it was obvious.
I read the answer as "Your question is stupid because a compiler writes better asm than a human".
 
3:14 AM
Yeah that PS made it beyond obvious.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I read it as it's 3am and it didn't even mention assembly in any substantial way
I still don't think it's all that good but at least I guess I see the purpose now
It's still not funny
 
It's not classic comedy dude.
Who cares.
 
No, because classic comedy is funny
 
@Rapptz He's British.
 
@Rapptz Um, me? And... well, over 1,850 people.
 
3:15 AM
:)
 
Well 1850 people have a different sense of humour than you. What a shocker.
 
@ScottW Not really punk'd. I'm proud of where I'm from, thank you very much.
 
@Rapptz 1850 people give me hope in the future of the world. :P
 
@Rapptz No, 1850 people have no sense of humour whatsoever. You're right that it's barely a surprise, though
 
Nobody outside of England understands British humor.
:)
 
3:16 AM
@Mysticial That's why it's funny.
 
@ScottW so you're one of those people
 
I keep passing out for a short period of time.
 
@ThePhD You should sleep.
 
@ScottW So what? I'm immensely proud of my sister; doesn't mean I had any substantial hand in her creation. You gonna say that's wrong?
 
Thankfully, it took away the choice of having to go to the Game Development Gala.
 
3:17 AM
@ThePhD the what
 
@evening I'm sorry, but I can't help you without seeing the code. I don't have mind reading powers. Nobody here does. — Etienne de Martel 1 min ago
 
a Game Development Gala by a bunch of 'Industry Professionals'.
 
Sometimes, my copy-and-paste skills suck balls.
 
@ScottW And thanks for leading me to my best counter to that that I've ever been able to come up with ;)
@ScottW Yes, loads of things. She is an excellent human being with a string of impressive accomplishments.
 
3:18 AM
she did me :D
not really
 
That makes it worse.
 
TMI
 
@Mysticial you think that's bad?
 
@Rapptz lol
 
and on that bombshell, it's time for us to end the show. thank you very much for watching; good night!
 
3:19 AM
god damn does it make me mad to include an entire header for just one function
 
omg a whole header
bye
 
I wish it was like C# where inclusion was just a matter of being in the same namespace and being compiled in the same project.
 
@ThePhD You already know how I want it done.
 
@Rapptz Do I? .... DO I?!
 
from std.iostream import std.cout!
 
3:22 AM
Oh then I guess I do.
 
@Rapptz Opal was similar to that. You could even import specific numbers from Nat, lol.
 
@melak47 It comes from Python
My example anyway
 
IMPORT Nat ONLY nat ! 0 1 2 - + > =
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sleeeep is for scrubs.
@EtiennedeMartel Plus I never got to talk to Cat.
Not that I want to or anything because I know the answer he's going to give me to all my questions.
 
"you suck" ? :D
 
3:30 AM
"You're terrible~"
Condemning me to death, doom, and destruction with that squiggle of his and one of many of his :emo:ticons. =[
 
Am I stupid or is boost::spirit only good for being used for lexical analysis and not syntax analysis?
I don't really feel like implementing my own Top-Down parser (or some other kind)
 
@ThePhD He didn't come online today.
Weird.
@ThePhD What is up with that quitter talk?
 
3:50 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Not espousing enough Rainbow and Optimism for you? D:
It's just not the best confidence booster when you want to recruit someone for a game whose core mechanics and gameplay style someone said they hated. =[
 
o.O
Are you talking about cat's Tetris game?
 
man whenever I code
I get the worst case of semantic satiation
drives me insane
 
what the fuck is semantic satiation...
 
Semantic satiation (also semantic saturation) is a psychological phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener, who then processes the speech as repeated meaningless sounds. History and Research The phrase "semantic satiation" was coined by Leon Jakobovits James in his doctoral dissertation at McGill University, Montreal, Canada awarded in 1962. Prior to that, the expression "verbal satiation" had been used along with terms that express the idea of mental fatigue. The dissertation listed many of the names others had used for the phen...
 
Huh...
 
3:55 AM
@Rapptz I frequently experience those...
 
@Borgleader For example, I'm coding right now and I'm using the word "Color" a lot.
After a while of constantly reading the word Color -- it looks completely strange to me
As if it's some new word and I feel like I'm misspelling it or something
So I have to stop for like 30 seconds or so.
 
Oh I see
 
I'm feeling it as if it's a completely alien word. Sometimes I tend focus at the words' syllables and find them weird.
 
Also I usually spell it Colour but SFML spells it Color..
 
Time to boot up my sandbox server and install steam to get that TF2 Linux item.
 
4:01 AM
"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically valid sentence in the English language, used as an example of how homonyms and homophones can be used to create complicated linguistic constructs. It has been discussed in literature since 1972 when the sentence was used by William J. Rapaport, an associate professor at the University at Buffalo. It was posted to Linguist List by Rapaport in 1992. It was also featured in Steven Pinker's 1994 book The Language Instinct as an example of a sentence that is "seemingly nonsensical" but grammatical. Pinker n...
^ lol
 
Fuck, there's no 64-bit steam for Linux.
 
Just get 32-bit..
 
The 32-bit won't install on 64-bit linux.
I'm gonna see if it'll work on my VM.
Otherwise, I'm gonna have to swap out an HD from my server and put 32-bit Linux on it.
I'm not gonna risk fucking up grub like I did before...
fuck, I need to upgrade to libc6...
shit...
shit, it's not gonna work in a VM
 
4:17 AM
why can't you install 32 bit steam on a 64bit linux? ._.
 
It gave me an error, "wrong architecture".
But now I'm installing the x86 packages on the machine.
Hopefully that'll work.
I didn't have any of the x86 libraries installed.
 
user1357851
@MarkGarcia your avatar reminds me of this:
 
user1357851
 
@Telkitty That mom did a pretty poor job.
 
user1357851
@EtiennedeMartel what could she do?
 
4:23 AM
@Telkitty Try to prevent the fact.
I don't know, I'm not a duck.
 
@Telkitty That made firefox hang...
 
@MarkGarcia I blame Firefox.
Oh wait.
 
user1357851
@MarkGarcia copy & paste the link into a browser? It is about a duckling getting eaten by a fish
 
user1357851
in clear water
 
@Telkitty I saw it. Only that...
Anyway, I once saw a duck peck at its egg. The duck's been doing that since then.
^ lol. I forgot to add an "s" to "egg". ~A funny interpretation is formed.~
 
4:30 AM
whoo
my button works.
sure it's shitty but it works.
 
@Rapptz Self-crafted GUI?
 
yes
though at the moment it's literally a rectangle lol
I'm making it for SFML
 
@Rapptz I once created a custom GUI for SFML. I had so far created widgets buttons and check boxes. Funny thing is that they're layouts are imitate that of win98.
 
#include "DUI/Button.hpp"
#include <SFML/Graphics.hpp>
#include <iostream>

int main() {
    sf::RenderWindow window(sf::VideoMode(800, 600), "SFML window", sf::Style::Close);
    dui::Button button;
    button.setSize(100,100);
    button.setPosition(40,60);
    button.setFillColor(sf::Color::Blue);
    button.onClick([](){std::cout << "Hello World!\n";});
    while(window.isOpen()) {
        sf::Event event;
        while (window.pollEvent(event)) {
            if (event.type == sf::Event::Closed)
is how I made it look
 
@Rapptz Damn. C++ Query.
 
4:35 AM
Callbacks! std::function made them a lot easier.
 
@Rapptz I'm planning to create a simple GUI system using OpenGL 3+. std::function could really make my life easier.
 
I wanted to make a game but I think UI would be more fun
 
WPF for C++ kthx
 
hey man, that button is beautiful
 
screenie please :)
 
4:42 AM
not look wise though :(
I just wanted to make it work
 
5:18 AM
C++ GUI's focus a lot on making actual graphics appear on the screen.
Which while GUIs are visual, most people should realize that you should abstract away the visual part completely and just focus on making good 2D and 3D hit-testing and a system to register buttons and other things to.
 
@ThePhD Remember my idea of making a "template class" that everyone inherits from?
 
o_O
Oh mah GAWD
 
what :(
 
q_q
 
shh.
 
5:24 AM
it just has all this stuff.
I mean, what if I didn't want to draw with a texture?
 
You don't have to.
It's null otherwise
 
What about all that other stuff?!
 
what stuff? o.o
 
The "visual" part of a GUI widget is simply a material, anyway.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm starting to write a renderer now,
Because... uh. Well, yeah. Because I can.
DEAL WID IT.
 
5:26 AM
 
negative stars.
 
Negative stars?
ā˜†
^ negative star
 
5:51 AM
Hm.
I wonder if I should have nested namespaces in my actual game classes and stuff.
Like whether CelShader and CelRenderer should go in Game::Graphics::Shading and Game::Graphics respecitively, or if it should just all be toplevel to the game.
@EtiennedeMartel Do you namespace your toplevel game stuff?
 
@ThePhD Yes.
I namespace everything.
 
Ah.
Well, hokay.
 
Usually, namespaces mirror the directory structure.
 
Mine too!
Yay, I feel special~
 
Etienne uses C++?
TIL
Sometimes it feels like no one uses C++ in the Lounge<C++>
 
5:54 AM
@Rapptz I use C# at work, but C++ for that side project I'm on.
(Well, C++ and C#)
 
I wonder how I can make pretty colours with this :(
 
I use C++ >.>
 
I do too.
 
Do you really?!
 
yes
I wanna figure out how to improve the Aesthetics of my GUI
 
6:04 AM
Anyway, time to sleep.
SEE Y'ALL
 
bye
 
Bye.
 
std::is_constructible and all other traits that depend on it also check for destructability, what's up with that.
 
I should facelift my Shader class.
@LucDanton To be stack-compatible?
I mean, if something is constructible you'd probably also want it to be descrutible.
Otherwise you'd break the ability to create it on the stack and have it cleaned up.
 
but that isn't what it's supposed to check
it's not std::is_destructable
 
6:06 AM
Shrug.
 
what the hell is this trying to say here? "Test every function in a program in which every other function in that program has already been fully tested and debugged.
"
so where testing bugged functions in a none bugged code
 
Meh.
I don't write the rules.
C++ is weird.
@Rapptz Furrovine::Graphics::Shading <--- Should I merge all the Shading stuff into just Furrovine::Graphics ?
 
I don't see why.
 
Hokay.
 
6:10 AM
HOLY CRAP
 
who starred that
what the hell?
 
who flagged that?
what the hell?
 
flagged what?
 
the message that got starred
 
not me
it doesn't say the user in the flags?
That's kind of weird.
 
6:12 AM
seriously, who the hell is throwing around flags.
 
o_O
What the fuck is going on?
 
lol
 
o_O
 
WHOOA pretty blue color!
 
6:14 AM
ima get flagged
 
How u do dis?
 
What's the appropriate modus operandi again? Flag a a flagged message for moderator attention?
 
@LucDanton nah, do we have any mods we can ping in right now?
 
@Mysticial lol
 
Way too tired to deal with this.
 
6:15 AM
your message is flagged
 
How.. do you see flags in the first place?
 
10k
 
Anyway, it's that time again: let's name things! is class foo: disable_move_constructor_unless<std::is_foo<T>::value> {}; insane or what?
Right now I have class foo: special_members::move_constructor<is_foo<T>::value> {}; but I feel like the non-inverted logic gives the wrong idea.
 
who is flagging message ..? please do not flag until message is offensive, abusive, or hate speech
 
I wonder if mods can see who flagged.
Someone is seriously trolling...
 
6:18 AM
@Mysticial They can. Hence why I flagged for moderator attention.
 
is everything getting flagged?
 
Lounge<C++>
 
@Rapptz a lot, but not everything.
 
do you get pinged if someone flags?
 
no, but we get the blue bubble.
 
6:20 AM
oh ping would get annoying quick
 
Test.
Aw. No little blue thingy.
 
@MarkGarcia where ?
 
user1357851
 
user1357851
 
How come you can't specify floating types in temples?
 
6:32 AM
@Rapptz Because temples existed before floating-point types did.
 
O_o that isn't very great logic
(not to mention wrong)
 
Why would it be wrong. Floating-point types haven't even been around for a century.
 
wut?
 
in the computer sense
 
IEEE 754 was published in 1985 though
 
6:34 AM
And temples have been around for thousands of years.
 
am I missing something
oh damn a typo
 
FAIL
 
I didn't even notice it
;_;
TEMPLATES.
fucking keyboard
 
hiya peeeeps! :D
its morning here, so good morning!
 
1:35 AM so good morning to you too
 
6:36 AM
evening
even though it's 12:36 here
 
@Rapptz hehe. I guess you'll be going to sleep soon.
@Mysticial Good evening to you too! :D So, whats up?
 
I sleep at 4 AM, wake up and go to work at 6 AM.
 
@GamesBrainiac not much
 
@Rapptz what are you, a robot? How do you work?
 
You get used to it.
 
6:37 AM
@Mysticial I finally finished making a stack of my own. Now, going to work on a linked list. Do anything interesting recently?
 
nope
 
make it a sorted linked list
 
Make an html parser using regex.
 
@Rapptz Want to do that. It takes time though. Normal stacks are much easier to make
 
huh
 
6:39 AM
@Mysticial I don't think I am good enough to do that yet tbh. Still learning, but fun till now! :D
 
oh.
You're new.
 
@Rapptz : Yup. Mastered lambda functions yesterday
 
I wouldn't say mastered
 
I'll sleep when I'm dead.
Or when I pass out or something.
 
user1357851
If I don't sleep enough I will turn dumb
 
user1357851
6:40 AM
I need my 8 hours
 
8 hours is for scrubs.
 
user1357851
better be a intelligent scrub than a dumb scrub
 
@Rapptz : Nope. I really get them now! :D
@Rapptz Wonderful creations though
 
So you get std::function?
 
Mmm.
 
6:42 AM
@Rapptz yup. For example std::great
std::greater
i mean
 
huh
 
std::function can't hold multiple targets.
So you'd need a wrapper for that.
 
Mmmh, there are 6 special members. I can't really write 2^6 - 1 partial specializations, can I?
 
something like std::greater<int>
 
6:43 AM
@LucDanton But Boost can!
 
I meant <functional>
std::greater<int> is just a functor isn't it
 
yea
but it works as well as a lambda
there isnt that much of a difference tbh
 
I see.
 
i'll need to check reference if its still a functor or if ts become a lambda in c++11
 
Oh god, did I just recommend boost?
What have I become. ;~;
 
6:44 AM
@ThePhD : Yes. You have sinned.
 
Good news, I can reduce that to at least 2^4. It's really about the copy-move special members anyway.
 
@LucDanton : What'cha tryin to do?
 
A CRTP helper that selectively disables special members conditionally.
 
@LucDanton : Sounds complicated
 
It only sounds like it. It's really boring boilerplate, that I want to write once and only once.
 
6:49 AM
I actually got rid of all my old C++ books and got C++ Standard Library by Nikolai
really good book. No bullshit
@LucDanton I hope to get much better at this language. I am slowly starting to get an understanding of it
 
@GamesBrainiac That's more a reference type of book, isn't it?
 
yeah
 
@StackedCrooked : It has good tutorials in it as well. Pretty good at everything really...
 
I prefer online alternatives for references anyway
Easier to search on a computer than on a book.
 
6:56 AM
I don't know if the newest C++11 version is any better but I didn't think the first version was that special outside of the reference
 
I set up Chrome to redirect searches for "cpp something" to "site:en.cppreference.com something". This way I can use it to very quickly find stuff.
 
@Rapptz I heard it's good in introducing STL concepts. Still, if he bought the book, then he should read it.
 
It beats a paper referecence :P
 
@MarkGarcia : I just got it from the library. It has good tutorials in it as well, and really chooses the easiest path to doing things.
@StackedCrooked : cppreference is awesome. I just wish it had more examples.
 
I made an account to make examples
haven't made many.. since I lost interest
 
6:59 AM
@Rapptz : Making an account now. Atleast it does not have errors like cplusplus.com
 

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