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6:00 AM
I dunno
 
@HubertApplebaum you can combine the two techniques to achieve longer compilation times while still paying dispatching costs
 
inb4 "am I helping"
"yes"
 
I do this because I like puzzles like this and because I can make something without insane amounts of money invested in tools
what's fantastic is that beyond a certain level, I fucking hate puzzles
here's hoping I never encounter that in software development
 
(btw that's why I was checking the devirtualization capabilities of gcc earlier)
 
so have you accepted templates into your heart yet
 
6:04 AM
I need to get off the template ride
it's an addiction at this point
 
@LucDanton Tell me how you do
I wouldn't really mind doing a full-header app I guess
 
but ~compile time~
 
but no vcalls
amirite
 
@HubertApplebaum how I do what
 
I angsted about variadic templates in C# today and got partway through making 15 templates with 1-16 arguments each before realizing I could solve my problem without them
 
6:09 AM
:B
Nice one.
Also, quick question about the lock in this code from Bjarne's book:
 
when I'm feeling bored I open up coliru and make something with variadics
someone help me
 
@jaggedSpire Don't you have knitting to do?
 
@ThePhD done for the night
actually I need to go to bed
like thirty minutes ago
 
Well, I know, but like
if you're doing variadics you might as well knit or draw
 
but they're so fun
and I neeeeeeed them
 
6:11 AM
Then enjoy i- err... that sounds like an addiction now actually. ;;
 
I could be working on something productive right now, I think to myself, but maybe messing around with fold expressions for a little bit wouldn't hurt.
just a little
I'd say the required "I can quit at any time, I just don't want to" but this exceeds my capacity for self-delusion
 
@ThePhD Where is the question?
 
I distracted him with the preciouses
 
@wilx Wooops, got distracted.
 
@LucDanton write testable code
 
6:16 AM
@HubertApplebaum I don’t really take any particular steps :( most of the testing is on the spot
that’s actually been a problem for ranges
 
Uh. The question is, is that code going to hit a deadlock? From what it looks like, you can run into a case where you lock the mutex in the producer, push a value, notify the consumer, and the the consumer picks up, and then attempts to call lck.unlock();
 
cus e.g. filter(pred, xs) expect an actual range for xs, so that’s exactly the situation you’re lamenting
 
The idea is that the time between mcond.notify_one() in the producer and it releasing the mutex lock could happen AFTER mqueue.front();, mqueue.pop();, and lck.unlock(); happens in the consumer.
 
for that case I actually have written models which sole purpose is to be used in tests :/ they’re actually redundant with some of the other stuff and I had to be careful when writing them, cus if you get it wrong then well the testing becomes pointless
all in all reeeaally not ideal and yeah it annoys me a lot, too
 
There's also the case where the mutex gets locked by the consumer thread, then waits for mcond() to push, but that's BEFORE the producer() gets called, and thus producer is waiting for consumer() to let go while consumer is waiting for the procuder to signal mcond.
I don't fucking know, it's just weird.
 
6:20 AM
night all
 
night jaggy <3
 
@LucDanton idgi
are you drowning in template code
 
@ThePhD: The only thing I find suspect is the second line of the consumer loop: while (mcond.wait(lck)) /* do nothing */;
@ThePhD You are forgetting that mcond.wait(lck) releases the mutex.
 
@HubertApplebaum it’s a lot of fairly generic stuff, e.g. for testing complement(pred) (produces a predicate that’s a negation of the original) I can just use a lambda expression. I also decided to take e.g. tuples and variants for granted because they come up a lot
is that what you’re wondering about?
 
@ThePhD There is a single mutex only, there cannot be a deadlock on it, IMHO.
 
6:23 AM
@LucDanton yes
so you're on the b option
 
what, picking templates to begin with?
 
apparently
 
oh it’s more to do with the fact that I’m doing a lot of generic programming and they lend themselves to it
 
you pedant
 
I don’t like the crazy lack of (real) type-checking either, although testing-wise I guess it’s more of a language/ecosystem-wide deficiency
 
6:25 AM
@wilx Oh. Whoopsie.
then nevermind me.
 
Frankly doesn't it shock anyone to be injecting dependencies through virtual interfaces in C++?
I feel like I'm doing something completely dumb and/or wrong
 
People have been doing that for a very long time, I believe... in C++.
Or just relying on an embedded scripting language.
 
templates again?
 
I guess it's because I've been doing C++ mainly on GPU for a long time
No virtual allowed
Templates everywhere
 
I don’t follow
 
6:27 AM
I'll write a coliru
 
@HubertApplebaum The dumbest thing you are doing is using injecting dependencies expression. IMHO, it is a stupid expression (probably) Java coders invented as a job security.
 
Bjarne_case
 
> Tu connais l'histoire du Breton qui a fait graver une grosse pierre avec un message anti-parisien au-dessus de sa tombe ?

C'était un plouc à stèle.
2
 
Maybe it's because I'm cherry picking through the book, but A Tour of C++ doesn't seem to contain all that much new ifnormation...
Was this book intentionally written for beginners and left out many surprising things?
 
6:34 AM
@LucDanton La boucle est bouclée étant donné que "plouc" vient justement du Breton
 
@HubertApplebaum I guess, although in the second case it’s unusual to take pointers
 
@LucDanton Right
Copy/pasted that line
 
> // But now impl has to be in the header and that's annoying!
 
@HubertApplebaum cestçalablague.jpeg
 
very annoying
 
6:35 AM
Deadpool, hasn't Ryan Reynolds played also the Green Lantern? Are these characters in different universes or what?
 
@LucDanton J'explique
 
comme un homme
 
j'allais la faire.rar
@ElimGarak you mean non-ironically?
 
@HubertApplebaum I don’t think it’s crazy to have dependencies, no
 
@LucDanton The problem isn't dependencies it's the alternative between vcalls and in-header impl
Are you pulling my leg now
 
6:36 AM
@HubertApplebaum Yes, I hate that everything templated is stuck in headers.
 
> Un truc qui m'as bien fait rire dans un de mes vieux dicos de patois angevin, la définition du mot Nigousse:

Nigousse: Breton, indigène de la Bretagne. Exemple: Sale comme ein nigousse.
@HubertApplebaum so what? you’d rather not have a choice? a third option?
 
it might sound crazy but yes
 
@ThePhD Do you expect to learn a lot about sub atomic physics on a tour through atomic fission powerplant? :)
 
C++ so thick
 
of all the things to take apart, I don’t think the mere existence of two alternatives deserves even a raised eyebrow
they clearly make for a trade-off
 
6:39 AM
They are both lacking
 
okay
 
@HubertApplebaum what's your problem?
 
there’s something that actually bugs me tons
nobody has a good story for generic programming
 
morning
 
not even the academics
 
6:40 AM
@KhaledKhnifer hi
@LucDanton What do you mean by generic?
 
it’s all so flimsy and/or impractical and/or dumb
@VermillionAzure when the names start scrolling up at the end
 
That breton jokes!
 
@LucDanton Are templates bad?
 
kickstarter.com/projects/carrastasney/… - The boy look more badass than the mother ..LOL
 
What exactly are you disatisfied with?
 
6:42 AM
@LucDanton A story? What story? Why is the C++ standard library, e.g., its containers not good enough for a story?
 
@wilx Good point. But... maybe a little bit, no?
 
@VermillionAzure yes, their hearts are black and filled with greed and lust
2 mins ago, by Luc Danton
nobody has a good story for generic programming
 
WTF is a "story?"
Like, what do you want?
 
fuck off cinch
 
@ThePhD Well, you probably already know more than for whom is the book then? :)
 
6:43 AM
gawd, what do you mean a story, are you trying to be daft
 
@ElimGarak What's up?
 
@LucDanton You seem to disagree
 
Well there are sound examples in Alexandrescu's book IIRC
 
@HubertApplebaum sorry that was the start of my sort of tangent (very related though)
i.e. if you consider generic programming across all languages, I put it to you to that templates… aren’t all that bad
but that should say more about generic programming that it does about templates
 
Okay but that doesn't really help me choose between the lesser evil :p
 
6:45 AM
I don't care about its story, as much as what it is now <-- this goes for humans too
 
@LucDanton Shouldn't traits solve that then?
 
@HubertApplebaum well you’re the one getting paid so don’t expect me to do your job
 
If we want to talk generics, a model based on set theory could be useful
 
ah yes the no free lunch policy
not asking for anyone to do my job though
 
@HubertApplebaum i maek joek
 
6:46 AM
(is there a programming language that can operate on the code itself to determine characteristics about it?)
 
yes there are set theory-based languages cinch
look up ATL and others
they are v e r y a n n o y i n g
@LucDanton unheard of
 
@HubertApplebaum bby, in spaced words, spaces need spaces too
 
@HubertApplebaum I don’t think I can help, I think you have things well in hand. You know the trade-offs, you also know most how it applies to your precise needs
 
@LucDanton what kind of precise needs are we talking about here?
 
@KhaledKhnifer a sandwich and a coke
 
6:49 AM
@HubertApplebaum The Microsoft one, right?
 
Gawd, Khaled, ProblemSlover and Cinch are giving me a headache. You guys have fun, new episodes of Blacklist and Elementary are out. Much love to regulars, enjoy your sandwich and coke. <3
 
hello nerds
it is me
Rapptz
 
@ElimGarak Lucy Liu is so bad at acting
 
@ElimGarak I like Elementary
 
@Rapptz Hi
 
6:51 AM
Praise be, our Lord & Savoir Rapptz has descended from the High Heavens to grace us with his glory.
 
@KhaledKhnifer i <3 Sherlock
@Rapptz Do you use Jupyter
 
no
 
no
 
matlab?
 
6:52 AM
Gee I thought Rapptz was in bio or something
:|
 
> Votre firme met un poêle à la disposition des employés de bureau. Le charbon et le bois devront être enfermés dans le coffre destiné à cet effet. Afin qu’ils puissent se chauffer, il est recommandé à chaque membre du personnel d’apporter chaque jour quatre livres de charbon, durant la saison froide.
that seems like a lot of coal
> La soif de tabac, de vin, ou d’alcool est une faiblesse humaine et, comme telle, est interdite à tous les membres du personnel.
no thirst allowed
 
@ElimGarak ooh, thanks the heads up :D
 
@LucDanton I cri now
@VermillionAzure He's 15 jfc
 
@HubertApplebaum ...
I have no idea wtf to believe anymore
 
just search the transcript it's been mentioned multiple times
no free lunch
(A term coined by Peter Sommerlad)
 
Also I'm trying to figure out which one you are
But whatever.
 
@LucDanton wow
is it real?
also I didn't know coal shipped in books
 
@HubertApplebaum was posted as a retort to someone posting a link to a 'we’ve never been so overworked!!' documentary of some sort
@HubertApplebaum if it’s not, I can’t find someone to debunk it
j’ai juste à google 'vinaigrerie dessaux pipeau' c’est ça
 
I'm checking
semble légitime
 
l’histoire de l’appel de la nature c’est tu fais caca sur la grille et ça tombe dans le jardin ou bien
ça m’intrigue beaucoup
 
c’est un scandale cette loi les usines vont perdre tellement d’argent
@HubertApplebaum solution : virer les gosses au 8è anniversaire
 
> Loi de 1906 instituant la semaine de six jours (jour de repos hebdomadaire)
wow that's very recent
@LucDanton lol
 
> la réduction du temps de travail obéit d'abord à des préoccupations hygiénistes
clair c’est dégueu les gamins
 
> Décret du 2 mars 18482 limitant la journée de travail des adultes à dix heures à Paris et à onze en province
classique
 
??
ptin c’est gros, ils se voilent même pas
 
7:05 AM
Ces parigos qui branlent rien /cc @slap @Rerito @Ven
@LucDanton islam pas encore arrivé
 
ah oui
n’empêche j’ai toujours rêvé que mon vinaigre ait le goût de la piété
bon j’y vais parce que j’ai piscine les 8 à 10 prochaines heures
allez on va faire rond et dire 12
 
voilà des conditions de natation que je qualifierai d'utopiques
j'hésite sur la conjugaison de qualifierai là
drame
DOUTE&ANGOISSE
 
7:25 AM
Conditionnel présent la wesh
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum ah bah.
 
Alright, finshed reading "A Tour of C++"
Now I'm never going to touch it again fro as long as I live.
Woof.
 
@ThePhD Someone's gonna take that literally and bury you with a copy of it
 
RIP me.
 
7:46 AM
The equation editor in MS Word is actually pretty decent, for something that's not as flexible as Latex
Lookit that. It's all shiny 'n' stuff.
 
@ThePhD red squigglies are best squigglies
 
7:59 AM
I don't think I want to take "Advanced Software Engineering".
I want another project course for next semester.
I might throw that course out for something more fun.
 
@Rapptz Is that you, Alex?
 
8:15 AM
@ElimGarak bby please don't leave us <3
@Borgleader that looks cozy :)
 
is there an unicode symbol that can be used to represent a mirror?
or a beacon
 
what are you actually trying to represent :D
 
8:31 AM
registration-based introspection
struct xyz { MIRRORED(int x); MIRRORED(std::vector<char> buf); }; etc
 
and you want to use a unicode char for the macro? :D
sorry, I got nothing :(
 
possibly :D
 
how about ☢
 
that would work, lol
☢ void * ptr;
 
> error: [Errno 28] No space left on device
god just kill me already
 
8:39 AM
Nov 5 '15 at 2:18, by Cat Plus Plus
One day they'll look up and shout 'save us' and I'll whisper 'error 28: no space left on device'
 
Shitty AC
I'm sweating af... and with the cold I'm gonna get sicker
 
@HubertApplebaum lmao
this is so relevant it hurts
:'(
error: [Errno 28] No space left on device
root@rapptz:~# df -i /
Filesystem       Inodes IUsed    IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/simfs     13107200 60902 13046298    1% /
which god did I upset for this to happen to me
 
simfs?
 
a filesystem for sims?
 
8:43 AM
shitty VPS
 
hey you guys you know what might be cool
 
no
 
writing like a kinda big header with lots of unicode defines so that we can write c++ entirely out of individual unicode symbols
 
@slaphappy all kinds of fun unicode warning signs you could use :D
 
@melak47 The compiler would spit out aubergines to tell you to fuck off :D
 
8:45 AM
not MSVC :D
 
Yeah, MSVC would swallow them
 
@Rapptz it seems no one is gonna pick it up
 
for instance
ℤ ♔ ☓
♲ ☃ ☠
 
@Rapptz Only 1% is used?
 
Ven
The Latte makes me late
 
8:49 AM
would be int main () { std::cout << "☃" << std::endl }
 
Ven
@slaphappy learn APL bruv
 
@StackedCrooked yeah
 
I don't grok inodes. df -h is more my cup of tea
 
9%
 
@slaphappy shouldn't the file encoding be compatible, and the string has to be like L".." or something?
 
Ven
8:53 AM
@HubertApplebaum ton lien é kc
 
works for me
 
"The DN is not in the right order"
Current ticket at work
My product manager wanted me to reverse the RDNs to follow the recommended string representation algorithm in the RFC4514
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum ok, hostgator back up
 
But that's not what OpenSSL is doing, thus all the certificates that were previously created have the "bad order"
So that the string representation gave the expected one (beginning with CN...)
And the dudes from the validation team dont seem to get it... Looks like a good day :')
 
@KhaledKhnifer u8"☃" should work I think
 
8:59 AM
sup nerds
 
think of a new line :p
 
sup \n :D
 
clap, clap
 
Most excellent! What is on today's itinerary?
 
Same as every day.
 
9:01 AM
 
@ElimGarak same as every day, try to take over the world
 
user1804599
> The credit card
 
user1804599
lol
 
Ven
yo @MadameElyse
 
user1804599
HALLO VEN
 
9:07 AM
@ThePhD how to solve the first equation?
 
@KhaledKhnifer mebbe, w/e
 
@ThePhD I understand nothing from that.
 
Ven
ven diagrams of halo games
 
9:32 AM
aaa I have to send some papers from the doc and when I start the pc windows is
I MUST DEFRAGMENT YOUR HARD DISK
RIGHT NOW
NO NOT LATER RIGHT NOW I MUST DO IT
ffff opening a tab takes 10 seconds
 
in what base
 
in base your mom
can someone vouch for poco
 
Ven
Plain Old Crappy Objects
 
lol
well played
 
9:44 AM
Humpbert Applebum
 
I got owned
 
I liked anastasia better
 
She liked you too
 
I vote for Samir Laput as the next persona
 
Alas she got sold by her father for a camel
RIP Camelstasia
 
9:46 AM
I liked gregor macgregor more
 
I think cicada should be a girl
I vote for php ceo as next
I know I just contradicted my self
 
> TIL that in the 19th century scottishman Gregor MacGregor run the largest SCAM scheme ever stealing almost £3.6 billion of today money.
 
Maybe I'm the real php ceo
 
I'ld be in such despair if I had to do some PHP
 
Ven
you'd be writing C, not C++. (although it's C++03)
 
9:47 AM
(run-SCAM)
 
@AlexM. wow, he stole money from the future??
 
Ven
what an asshole; that's why we're poor now. the financial crisis
 
@slaphappy his subsequent personas were just to hide his history
but we're smarter than that
 
Ven
are we
 
Aaaaand hello again
 
9:49 AM
I am
ARE YOU?
 
@slaphappy that's why it was such a brilliant scam
 
I have a question: am I being ignored here because I violated some rule that I was unaware of, or I offended someone, or is it something else?
 
@edition yes
 
Are you craving for attention?
 
@Rerito No.
 
9:53 AM
Looks like you are tho
 
Is your toast buttered properly?
 
J'aime me beurrer la biscotte
 
Ven
@edition ignored? you even got a meme
 
@HubertApplebaum o_0 are you really this dedicated?
 
@edition I have no notion that you're being ignored
 
9:55 AM
how did clojure get so popular hmm
even gamedevs use it woot
 
@thecoshman Look the playlist tab... Hammer time lmao
 
@thecoshman don't know what you're talking about
 
> Be prepared for Halloween if it's a thing in your country. I laid gay ass rocks and bear traps all over my porch, I'll get these meddling kids this year!
 
@thecoshman that's kinda sick.
 
@edition old people say the craziest things
 
9:57 AM
Ah ah!
 
@edition are you being ignored?
 
Ven
Itanium's syntax is so weird. br.ret.sptk.few rp wtf?
 
@slaphappy I feel like I am, at times.
 
maybe if people actually had the time to read your posts
 
@HubertApplebaum such a racist
@edition would it help if we actually ignored you?
 
9:59 AM
Oh I had forgotten about that one
 
Ven
Why is Boost1.60 so broken..
 
My my I shouldn't reuse nicknames
 
@HubertApplebaum of my, you are old indeed‌​, take care on the keyboard
lol, so it's a past you XD
 

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