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4:00 PM
Gonna be perfectly honest, kinda bored in this class. .-.
I think the Lounge taught me better than Bjarne.
 
Fling shit at him saying "Love from Lounge<C++>" or something
 
hijack the projector and display sparkly bjarne
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@ThePhD What class?
 
"Language Library Design: C++"
The good news is there's supposed to be fun Programming Projects.
 
@ThePhD Consider the fact that the class is probably leveled down for the other students.
@ThePhD Show him cpp-sort.
 
4:03 PM
ok, I swear I've been to a site that calcs ELOs for SO, but I can't find it.
 
Another day another critical bug in OpenSSL
 
@Morwenn I wish the stdlib had projection support :D
 
Was it a data explorer query?
 
@melak47 Don't worry, it will come with ranges.
 
@Morwenn yeah, that'll make that easy
 
4:04 PM
@melak47 Projection support?
 
Still, my lib is better :D
 
@ThePhD sort by X::foo
 
@Nooble :D
 
Ell
lol I just found a job email
 
@melak47 Isn't that what functors/lambdas into these functions are for?
 
Ell
4:05 PM
> What are our cloudy perks?
> A top spec laptop. You want a Macbook, not a ThinkPad right?
> Unique ‘cloudy’ culture where we keep our feet on the ground and our heads in the Clouds - this year’s project is building a Quadcopter on our 3D printer
 
@CatPlusPlus It's called Open for a reason
 
@ThePhD hmm, i'll look at it over lunch, i thought you were talking about foo getX() &; vs foo getX() &&;
 
Ell
> You want a Macbook, not a ThinkPad right?
 
@ThePhD sure, but [](const auto& lhs, const auto& rhs) { return lhs.foo < rhs.foo; } is verbose and annoying. (sure you can wrap some boilerplate stuff with a custom functor or something)
 
@Borgleader I haven't pushed the changes yet, but that is what I was talking about, yes.
 
4:06 PM
Even though with ranges you'll have to write std::sort(collection, std::less<>{}, &X::foo);, but still.
 
@Morwenn There's probably a way to do that... though it won't look pretty.
 
compare_by([](const auto& x) -> decltype(auto) { return x.foo; }) or something?
 
@Morwenn std::sort( collection, comparator<&X::foo, std::less<>>() )
 
@ThePhD IME that never works.
 
You can default the second argument to std::less<> to make that simpler.
 
4:08 PM
cppsort::sort(collection, &X::foo);
 
comparator<&X::foo>
 
you always have to spell out the type of &X::foo to be able to take it as a template argument, right?
 
Xeo
sort_with(collection, [].foo); :D
(_with is the projection form)
 
@Xeo Shakes fist Push your paper through, damnit.
 
@ThePhD oh, i see. i'm not sure why you need the proxy in this case, but eh, i havent looked at the code enough (idk what coretable stuff is, or key, or well anything really :P)
 
4:09 PM
@melak47 yes (unless you happen to be expecting a particular type and it magically matches)
 
@LucDanton so something like comparator<decltype(&X::foo), &X::foo>{} :S
 
Never mind, I spoke too soon.
 
@melak47 Ooh, you're right. That's gnarly.
 
you can choose to give up and use a macro to eat up the repetition
 
4:11 PM
yay celebratory pizza
 
Having projections baked into the standard algorithms is easier for users.
 
@AlexM. what are we celebrating :D
 
or you can choose to give up and not use a non-type parameter
 
@melak47 me not getting a painful treatment to my health problems
 
std::sort_with( collection, comparator( &X::foo ) );
 
4:11 PM
@AlexM. omg stahp, im hungry T_T
 
That would allow for deducation and all.
 
> deducation
 
is that a new type of education?
 
Whan a deduction and an education love each other very much...
 
@ElimGarak ITT Bjarne is deprogramming @ThePhD
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4:13 PM
C'mon cppsort::sort(collection, &X::foo) already works, even when the underlying sorter doesn't even handle projections :o
 
@HubertApplebaum I think you went too far when you did your taxes
 
Huff.
@Morwenn It does? It also takes a regular lambda too, right?
@Morwenn But doesn't it also take about 6 SFINAE overloads to make it work right?
 
@ThePhD Yes, and it discriminates between comparisons and projections.
 
@Morwenn but what about member functions. if there's overloads, you're screwed, right? projection lambdas ahoy? :/
 
@ThePhD Lol, more than that.
 
4:15 PM
@Morwenn u.u; That's an implementation nightmare.
Perhaps there's an easier way?
 
@ThePhD You only have to write a sorting algorithm that takes two iterators and a comparison functions and sorter_facade provides every other overload for you, including the ones handling projections and iterables.
Also, it makes sure you can convert the resulting object to any valid function pointer.
 
but is it orthographic or perspective projection
slight wink at Elim
 
And if don't decide to provide other specific overloads that might be optimized, sorter_facade also takes that into account and calls them when needed.
 
@HubertApplebaum lolno
 
I am repeatedly surprised how Morwenn doesn't die of boredom doing that :P
 
4:21 PM
@ElimGarak I sometimes do.
Also, much copy-pasta.
And I hope I won't have a panick attack the day I decide to take sentinels and execution policies into account.
 
I think I'll wait for concepts. For such hacks, they will be game changers.
 
@Morwenn The interfaces I write just deal with iterables and... well, nothing else, really, because I had encoding/error handler policies a well and function calls got super unwieldy.
 
@ThePhD Is Bjarne ok with that? :o
 
Bjarne is too busy growing old waiting for modules & concepts.
 
4:25 PM
@Morwenn He hasn't seen that code (yet).
 
@Magisch ok I thought you were complaining(?) and perhaps you had specific examples in mind where you thought the downvotes were not fair/expected
 
@ThePhD Bjarne is teaching your class? o.O
 
@Borgleader Yes.
@ElimGarak He actually gave a story about how Herb Sutter keeps pushing him back for month after month after month for getting the Rule List for eliminating dangling pointers.
 
@ElimGarak He has written more papers recently, so he's probably waiting for something else to wait for now that we "almost" have concepts and modules.
 
@ElimGarak IIRC his current fight is the universal function call syntax stuff.
 
4:26 PM
Oh yeah, that.
 
let us regale in that partially baldized head
 
look at that million dollar shirt
 
Yeah, he dresses like a pedobear
 
and ditto haircut
 
ok, I finally found the ELO site.
 
4:29 PM
Great success.
 
After a close inspection, I think it is quite flawed.
I get zero points for some big winners.
 
oh that look at that sparkle
 
@AaronHall It appears ELO feels the same about you after its close inspection.
 
It's ignoring recent accepts where I don't have as many votes as the prior top, and answers where my new answers are beating the accepted answers.
 
@ThePhD Oh my... I went to the wrong school :(
 
4:32 PM
Subtle things irk me about debates, where headlines introduce subtle moral or historical false implications: (src)
> Protesters in Cologne demand end to violence against women
It's slightly be essentally misrepresenting things.
In context it should be more like
> Protesters in Cologne resist starting trend of (more) violence against women
 
@ElimGarak For the record, this is the only GIF we allow on the Lounge.
 
It's the start of something unusual. Not the end to something that's been usual
 
For obvious reasons
 
@sehe You and I both know the latter, while more accurate (?) would sell less.
 
I disagree.
 
4:33 PM
@Borgleader get 360 noketchuped skrub
 
I'm absolutely convinced that it sells more to call it what it is. We don't want to import cultural disgrace
That's what it is about.
 
it's funny because the pizza is a circle and it doesn't have ketchup on it
 
Do you read "c++" as "increment c"?
 
I read it as "C excrement"
 
I read it as DANGER
 
4:34 PM
it's a shorthand for cinch, its author
 
c plus la peine
 
See pee-pee, but no touch
 
Sieg Pee-Pee
 
steam is rekt for me :<
damnit
 
sour grapes
 
4:37 PM
> [ ] Anime & Beyond Week 2 Response
[ ] Physics Homework 2
[ ] Stats Homework 2
[ ] Monte Carlo Tracer - Java
[ ] ? Monte Carlo Tracer - C++ implementation
 
@Borgleader (ping / did you see my response)
 
anime
 
The list used to be twice as long. ;~;
 
Didn't know the count of Monte Carlo was into ray tracing, what is he, from the 18th century?
 
@CatPlusPlus It's actually "Animation" in general.
 
4:38 PM
that's quite advanced
 
@sehe The cultural disgrace thing?
 
@Borgleader Yup. I'm pretty sure the stronger wordings are a better sell. Especially when warranted
 
But there's pleeenty of Anime.
 
@ThePhD So, what have you learnt?
 
About C++?
 
4:39 PM
About good library design.
 
Nothing so far.
We're going through the very basics of C++.
Like, the very basics.
 
So, SFINAE
 
@Borgleader There's a reason all countries have this "popular" party who thrive on people who just want to "hear it said". If the "politically correct middle" can just reclaim the arena by being basically assertive, there would not be such a market for extremist parties
 
@sehe Well, I havent followed this particular situation much, so I cant really speak about that, my point was just that in general drama and "everything is going to shit" sounding titles tend to sell more. Or maybe its just confirmation bias (?).
 
> Overthink things, then prefix Boost to the name of your library.
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4:40 PM
ayyyy
 
@ElimGarak Not even.
 
Boost.FusionEngine
 
Alternatively prefix Boost to the name of your library then overthink things
 
We're literally just talking about the ideals of C++.
 
I couldn't do that because Boost.Sort was already taken.
 
4:41 PM
Boost.QuantumSort
 
With some basic code examples.
 
Call it Boost.Sort2
 
I want more meat on this course.
 
So I stole the code from Boost.Sort and added it to my library.
Then I submitted issues to fix Boost.Sort.
 
Or Boost.AlsoSort
 
4:42 PM
Boost.OrderThings
 
@Borgleader My point is that "We want an end to XXX" is less strong than "We do not wish to end up in a world where XXX is becoming normal". The latter much more accurately reveals "YYY is going to shits!" so it should sell better.
 
Boost.GrandmasJewelry
 
Boost.Sort2 would be the most idiomatic.
 
Boost.Computer
 
@sehe "B-But muh word count!"
 
4:42 PM
Or I could take a random name like Boost.AstralProjection to go with Spirit, Karma and Phoenix.
 
Boost.CatsCouch @ unconf
 
I figured it out - Stack Rating ignores answers given 3 months after the question. This doesn't work well for me...
 
@HubertApplebaum Boost.Fascism
 
Boost.Sorter, Boost.SorterFacade
 
Boost.Icles
 
user406009
4:44 PM
Boost.TheBetterSortingLibrary
 
Boost.Meme out of mana
 
@ThePhD Oh well, fixable: /cc @Borgleader
> "Our Western values are going to shits" or
> "Stop [importing] immigrant rape culture"
 
Nah, if I had to propose it for Boost, I would need to backport it to C++11 and make it work with MSVC 2013 Update 1 and I don't know which compiler.
 
Boost.ItDoesntMatter
now you hate me.
 
I mean. I'm very much against populism. But if it's clearly at hand, call the evil by its name
 
4:45 PM
alexm, best alex
 
Boost.Robert
 
although 1522 doesn't look too bad compared to the distribution...
 
Boost.IUnknown
 
Boost.YourPerformanceInBed
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Don't you mean: "alexm, best rapptz."
 
4:45 PM
For inbedded platforms.
 
Boost.Purrformance
 
Boost.err
 
Boost.No
 
The badge should provide percentile rankings...
 
Now that looks like library design.
 
4:46 PM
Boost.AaronsSORanking
 
A library for overthinking rep and its inability to feed a family of six
ayyyy
 
> One minor project/exercise each week
 
lol
 
Sadface. SADFACE.
 
4:47 PM
1 like = 1 rep
 
I want a REAL programming project, damniiiit.
I'm so fuckin' thirsty for a good programming project and not all these little assignments.
 
@ThePhD Make a SO chat clone with OpenID auth and all the features we have here
 
@ThePhD get a job
instead of wasting time in school 24/24
 
@ThePhD This is the part where you quit uni and get a job
 
@ThePhD You've been in university for how long?
 
4:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel 3 years.
@Shoe I'm not going to undertake a huge outside project while still in school. I want school to give me a good programming project.
 
1522 is at least 90th percentife, I think... actually I can compute... 1-18238/274566 = .933... 93rd percentile.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak The problem is that it seems to indicate that the piece of paper is worth it.
 
user406009
I also want to get out of here ASAP.
 
@ThePhD Make a program that assembles and delivers sandwiches to me then
 
Only greenish paper is worth it, even if it smells funny.
 
4:50 PM
@ThePhD At my university each 2nd semester we had semester long projects (@jaggedSpire knows what theyre called i keep forgetting), anyway those were cool :)
 
make a SO chat clone that has bots that act like regulars .. lol
 
@Borgleader Thesis / Capstone?
 
@ElimGarak Is that what they call it now?
 
@ThePhD repcap
 
@ThePhD capstone prob
 
4:51 PM
@Borgleader newb
 
I'm awarding myself an "A" on stackoverflow.
 
we have yearly projects
 
I think you're missing subtle thing here. We don't all post random stuff.
I understand it could be subtle to spot
 
and all other projects are by default semester projects
 
@Shoe Lucky!
 
Ell
4:52 PM
Is @ScarletAmaranth around? I have a question about idris
 
user406009
@ThePhD Might be a US vs UK sort of thing.
 
@ThePhD Strike!
 
@ThePhD no seriously get a part time job
at the very least the shock won't be as great when you finish school
 
what shock?
 
and you'll learn that nobody cares about how hard you studied after you finish
so there's that
@Shoe nothin~
 
4:55 PM
do they shoot tasers at you?
 
worse
 
@AlexM. I've had 3 internshiips at tech companies, and interned 3 more times before that at Medical Schools / Hospitals doing Computational Biology. I'm not gonna suffer from shellshock, albeit the expectations of intern vs. full-time employee is going to be way different I'm sure.
 
@AlexM. do they... make you write code for hours?
 
@ThePhD That counts.
 
interns are basically "those guys that exist there that work on things that we usually throw away" for most companies I'd imagine
 
4:56 PM
@AlexM. Occasionally: my first tech internship threw away my tool.
 
Even though, your level is often judged on the experience you acquired during internships.
 
My second two are using my work / tools to this day.
 
And I've had some pretty interesting internships.
 
your mum too
 
@ThePhD must've been a contribution to something bigger that might've been altered by regular employees
 
4:57 PM
I can vouch for that
 
that or they LIED D:D:D:D
 
@AlexM. is that a happy or a sad face, I can't tell
 
@KhaledKhnifer it's D:
 
@AlexM. Nah, a year later I came back to Game Studios and saw them using my work. FeltGoodMan
They better have been using it. I didn't eat the dirt with UE4 beta for nothing.
 
then again
you probably won't have trouble when you get a job
I mean you're a straight A student
following instructions is your nature
 
4:59 PM
Once I was told: « ok, we didn't intend to tell that to you, but what you developed was supposed to be throw-away code. However... well, you did far more than expected and now we would ose something if we threw it away ».
 
@AlexM. Actually.... ;;;;;
My GPA is abyssssmaaaalll.
 
what you got an A-
?
 

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