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12:00 AM
@Ell Easier option: develop anosmia to that particular smell range
 
@Ell I doubt it
 
Attach an air freshener to it
 
...
lua_geti doesn't exist in older versions
 
Ah. Air fresheners!
The torture devices designed to remind one that, however foul a stench, there's always a more penetrant scent to be found!
2
 
12:02 AM
Gggggggg.
 
So, you copy the implementation
 
@ThePhD How much older
 
@jaggedSpire Here is the little bugger I think its the only picture I still have of him.
 
2spooky
 
@CatPlusPlus .1 versions older (Lua 5.1/5.2 do not have, lua 5.3 does.)
 
12:04 AM
@ThePhD That doesn't answer my question
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
less than a year.
 
@TonyTheLion 3spoopy5me
 
9 months
 
> Lua 5.2 was released on 16 Dec 2011.
 
12:05 AM
@ThePhD Babby-time, as we call it
 
> The last release is Lua 5.2.4, released on 07 Mar 2015. Lua 5.1. Lua 5.1 was released on 21 Feb 2006
 
Bugfix releases are not very important
 
vOv
Integers have been keys in lua since its inception.
 
Year after a 3 year old feature release got replaced should be enouf
I'd just drop the old version
 
Impossible to do.
LuaJIT is 5.1 ABI compatible and its creator (Mike Pall) has personal issues against Lua not-5.1.
 
12:06 AM
lol
 
Shoot him, you're in the US of A, right?
 
So everyone and their mother uses Lua 5.1. Literally, the entire industry.
 
Jan 26 at 0:06, by Cat Plus Plus
@ThePhD Make your own VM, with LLVM and hookers
 
@CatPlusPlus sob
 
Lua users are dumb then
 
12:08 AM
I agree with you.
 
What the actual fuck is wrong with Mike Pall and why are you worshipping him
 
Esp that Lua 5.3 is the first version to include integers :lol:
 
Main changes

integers (64-bit by default)
official support for 32-bit numbers
bitwise operators
basic utf-8 support
functions for packing and unpacking values
 
Ell
I can't believe it doesn't have integers before 5.3
What is so terrible about integers?
 
12:09 AM
Why? jabbascript still doesn't have them
 
What Cat said.
 
5.1 is from 200fucking6
 
Mike Pall is the creator of LuaJIT, a runtime for Lua so optimized you can gain several orders of magnitude performance just by switching to it. The fact that when it was created (Lua 5.0), it remained ABI-compatible (literally, you build against vanilla lua headers and swap out the lua 5.0/5.1 library and everything would run perfectly).
 
And apparently it took 9 years to implement basic UTF-8 support
 
@CatPlusPlus Lua community is full of psychos who write all kinds of libraries on top of it.
Kind of like C.
 
Ell
12:11 AM
yeah I don't understand why javascript doesn't have integers either
 
@Ell It has numbers
 
Because it's designed by people who shouldn't be designing languages
 
LuaJIT is hand-crafted assembly that gets ported to each individual platform that it runs on, going as far as back as IIRC PS...1 or 2.
The fact that all they do is JIT and it gets that much faster is pretty impressive, considering that the VM's garbage collector they made is similar to lua's (and lua's GC is shitty compared to current-gen tech.)
 
~~~purrformance~~~
 
Being easy to integrate is like the only thing Lua has going for it
Everything else is so bad
 
12:14 AM
If they were to implement a proper GC for it (an arena-based, quad-color incremental, generational, non-copying GC), LuaJIT would probably smoke just about every other lua implementation by neckbreaking amounts.
But that's probably almost never going to happen without herculean effort, because literally assembly code for 10+ platforms buahahahahahaha.
 
Don't see any assembly in its source tree tbh
 
It's generated by a custom program called buildvm, the source for it should be in there.
Mostof the stuff for makign the buildvm exec is in the... dynasm folder?
 
Oh it's in .desc stuff
dasc
whatever
 
well firefox is chewing through ~650 MB of RAM somehow
 
user1804599
geodesic
 
12:20 AM
@jaggedSpire That is not in any way unusual
 
@CatPlusPlus usually it's around 400 MB for me
 
Ell
lol
look at the like/dislike ratio
178 to 9,390
absolutely #rekt
 
Guess where I took this photo
 
on the surface of your mom
 
ayyy
 
12:35 AM
@LucDanton Indeed
> OK now I'm 100% positive I'm voting for Trump after watching this trainwreck
Sure. Vote for the one candidate that would actually fund a clip like this for his own campaign
That said, I hate that clip. It's just a VeryBadIdea(TM) to stoop to the level of your opponent
 
Ell
yeah I think it's awful
 
user1804599
TIL octonion multiplication isn't associative.
 
user1804599
@sehe outside
 
Ell
What are octonions useful for?
 
@MadameElyse It is indeed ooooooooooutside planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/3-moon/2016/…
 
user1804599
@sehe Is it on the Moon?
 
user1804599
You didn't take a picture on the Moon.
 
I took it from the site
@Ell It's a bad move to play. It plays right into the hands of people that are known to undervalue rational arguments:
> Proof that leftists are mentally ill.
So, it's leveling the playing field. Now they can say the non-Trump camp looks just a looney
 
user1804599
> I know YouTube is the home of rational and informed debate.
 
12:43 AM
@TonyTheLion Oh my <3
 
@Borgleader :D
 
user1804599
@sehe IRTA "CPAN"
 
https://t.co/UXfeUB31vQ
this movie :D
 
> Radical empathy. Progressive feminist. Game Designer, @craterhouse Cofounder, Twitch streamer!
Please wait while I proceed to poke my eyes out.
 
12:53 AM
Nvidia sent me a newletter with nothing in it
gj
 
You're blocking images probably
@ElimGarak hi
 
@sehe Thats actually very interesting.
thanks for that
 
I'm gamedebbing
Also third beer rip although the other two were like 6 hours ago
 
user1804599
lol the view count of the video youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI
 
user1804599
I guess they special-cased this video's view count.
 
1:04 AM
@sehe Yes, but I was not only born, but remember the related thread on comp.std.c. Mostly it was the reminder that this happened in 1992 that made me feel old. If you'd asked me before I looked at the date, I'd have said this must have happened 8, maybe 10 years ago. Seeing that it was well over 20 years ago instead was just a tad surprising (and yes, a bit distressing).
 
> iPhone 7
> EXPECTED FEATURES
> - No headphone jack
lolple
 
@JerryCoffin I only hope I'd remember stuff so far back :)
 
@CatPlusPlus iPhone cycle: remove features, up the price.
 
@Borgleader Hey, it worked for them for years with FileMaker Pro. Why not continue?
 
oh, gawd, Apple is ~~innovating~~ again :(
6
 
1:11 AM
iPhone 8 will be thinner than paper but require iEyes(r)(tm) to see what's displayed on the screen
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus We wireless, we future now
Next they cut the lightning port
also, why am I still awake
 
@MadameElyse I don't know what you think is called chin, but he has a rather prominent one
 
@MadameElyse At some points he shows a double-chin pretty clearly.
 
user1804599
(defn sum [xs]
  (if (empty? xs)
    0
    (+ (head xs) (sum (tail xs)))))
 
user1804599
1:26 AM
(defn sum [xs]
  (match xs
    [] 0
    [x & xs] (+ x (sum xs))))
 
user1804599
Hmmm.
 
user1804599
Extremely interesting.
 
vlinder?
 
user1804599
No :P Clojure
 
user1804599
I want to program in Haskell again.
 
1:31 AM
rip
 
user1804599
Haskell is so awesome.
 
@MadameElyse Go for APL: /+xs
 
Apply for Go
 
Ell
I wonder why the gimp logo has a penis on it
 
user1804599
Go is also awesome.
 
1:34 AM
@Xeo Yes, yeees....
Let the wakefulness consume you.
 
@Ell Because you like to imagine benises
 
@Xeo Sleep is a disease caused by caffeine deficiency.
 
@Ell it’s actually a brush, go see a doctor
 
Ell
it looks like a biracial penis
I honestly can't see the brush :V
 
@Ell it’s on the regular logo, this one is a goat leg (apparently)
 
1:37 AM
@Ell Try looking at an actual GIMP logo.
 
Ell
Oh a goat leg. That does make sense :V
Yeah this is the unstable one
 
@Ell did you have to recompile your kernel to use it? har har har
 
@CatPlusPlus Its a lie, vacuuming isnt that fun
 
1:45 AM
I never smile when I vacuum
 
Ell
@Borgleader nope but I had to rebuild nvidia driver
No jokes :V
 
@Ell what... why?
 
Ell
GEGL is accelerated by OpenCL
 
oh jeez
 
Ell
1:47 AM
And there was a particular thing I hadn't enabled on my driver
 
why not enable uh... everything from the start?
 
Ell
Nvidia-uvm
 
having a gegle
 
Ell
@Borgleader bcos its fun not to :D
 
@CatPlusPlus wot
 
1:47 AM
we have different definitions of fun mate
 
@CatPlusPlus wut
 
Ell
It's like tuning a car or something, idk
 
@CatPlusPlus interesting with this playing in the background /cc @Morwenn
 
1:49 AM
@Ell If theres no downside/tradeoff to not enabling everything, then its just masochism :P
 
Why do ad redirects exist
Fucking android
 
because there is no god
 
So, I've been replaying Portal 2 this week. And, bloody hell, that game is brilliant. (yet another thing you should play @jaggedSpire if you havent)
you'll have many gegl
 
@milleniumbug Why does Ad redirect sexist
 
why so ad
 
1:51 AM
 
Did AMD release open source drivers yet
Well 'yet'
 
In the past 10 years
:v
 
Linus hasnt publicly told them to fuck off yet, so i doubt it
 
And apparently GCN docs are available without NDA
 
Ell
1:54 AM
@Borgleader you should download random programmes you don't need also then :P
 
I really just hope NVIDIA is left as the only vendor who doesn't have OS drivers and maybe they'll feel stupid
 
Ell
AMD has AMDGPU kernel drivers which are getting better every week
 
Nvidia be ballin'
 
Ell
Linux 4.5 will supper powerplay
Oops
I thought you meant Linux for some reason
Open source AMD matches closed source AMD on a 285 playing BioShock infinite. I think that's their best result so far :P
 
They should open Windows drivers too
 
Ell
Open source nvidia drivers are not looking good though
 
Of course, how can one lie when one is open.
 
Ell
No hardware acceleration support for the 900 series bcos nvidia are being dicks about releasing microcode or firmware or some shit
@ElimGarak did you look at any GPU Open stuff?
Out of interest
 
awh there's another answer to the fun question, and it's similar to the answer I'm working on.
 
@Ell It's a pretty cool kick in Nvidia's balls.
I just hope people embrace it, I have a feeling that the console-first AAA devs just might go for it because of their dependence on GCN.
 
Ell
2:03 AM
But, did you look at any of the code like?
 
I got access to it quite a bit ago, mostly played with TressFX. (The answer to "hairworks")
 
@KeenaReagan wonder what he'd say now. Something very different!
The internet is a power the world can't handle.
 
Ell
I found this just
 
It's giving everyone license to do the fuck he/she wants, because truth doesn't matter anymore.
@Ell that again
You just don't make that shit up
 
I'm dying. help. ahahah
 
Ell
2:12 AM
Oh my balls
I would love one of these
Yorkshire puds are just so amazing
I can't even
 
Fuck you, Ell, now I'm hungry.
 
Ell
I'm always hungry
I have a lecture etiquette question
 
Ell
If the professor has a queue of 4 students at the end waiting to ask him a question, would it be rude of me to join the queue? (he probably won't have enough time to answer everyone's questions)
I was going to wait in the queue today but I felt rude because I wouldn't want him to have to tell me to leave
 
Is he supposed to answer questions?
 
Ell
2:18 AM
He usually does
 
Obviously, just recreate the queue and enqueue yourself.
 
does he have a policy on questions such as e-mails or whatnot?
 
Ell
He says we are allowed to email him and see him in his office
I suppose that would be more appropriate since he hasn't mentioned anything about post lecture questions
 
@Ell that’s nice
 
Ell
It is nice
 
2:26 AM
Good entertainment on the TV here at @IronHorseDC :-D https://t.co/Fuswuhuw2f
/cc @ElimGarak
 
@Borgleader ayyy, I was just watching TNG :D
The Defector episode
 
hmmm. Rival poster says the strategy can't be used on gcc. To correct in comments, or post more accurate answer. :S
sigh
correct in comments it is
apparently my conscience kicks in over internet points.
in between vanishing for days and weeks at a time.
I bet it's on a bender, enjoying itself.
@ThePhD my conscience made a cameo in my life just now. It sucked.
 
stahp you sound like cat
 
@Borgleader everything is shit
No one can imitate Cat. Cat is legend. Cat is Cat.
you know, I don't think I've been evil at all this month. I've got two days to change that :3
 
You can just...
Not be evil
For two more days
Then you get to say you haven't been evilfor a whole month!
Think about how that would look, framed on your mantle above your hell fireplace.
 
2:41 AM
@ThePhD I'd sooner hug a random stranger
 
Well.
I did try.
 
with the arms and the skin and the feeling of being trapped
 
2:53 AM
maybe I could ambush them
 
What're you gonna do, sprinkle catnip on their nose?
 
@ThePhD oooh and then I could just unleash a horde of feral cats on the area
thanks for the idea <3
 
... ;;
What have I done?
 
@ThePhD youve dun goofed mate
 
@Borgleader How do I fix this? ;~;
 
3:01 AM
this car (& this song) <3
The only downside to the mega-fix I’m working on, which deletes 31 source files, is that I can’t ship it in any 2015 Updates. :-/
RIP
 
3:22 AM
nooooo ;_;
 
3:54 AM
@jaggedSpire im melting /cc @TonyTheLion
 
@Borgleader :O their door appears to be an infinite source of corgis
I must locate this corgi-portal
 
@Borgleader :D
 
4:12 AM
Second Chances is such an awesome show.
 
Hi all
 
4:28 AM
Hoi.
 
@ThePhD ioh
 
lol at that mod explaining why he CWed Mysticial
"I WAS GETTING ON A PLANE"
well then
 
link?
 
4:35 AM
thanks
 
@HubertApplebaum Topkek. That backtrack.
Looks like in the end @JerryCoffin's suggestion was implemented.
Is there ever a time when Jerry's actually wrong about something...?
 
@ThePhD He's implied he's slow once or twice. :P
 
@jaggedSpire Yet another mistake, apparently. I thought I'd stated it pretty blatantly.
 
@JerryCoffin nah, I'm probably just misremembering. :P
 
> Startup: We’re hiring people to reinvent and change the world!
> Interviewer: Please shift this char onto this array.
lol
 
4:57 AM
@HubertApplebaum a[i] = c << 0
did I changed the world
 
Rum is too good
 
Mix it with some coke
 
cc @AlexM.
 
@LucDanton Now patent it
 
@ThePhD :3
 
5:00 AM
@CatPlusPlus q_q pls no
 
@HubertApplebaum Proper answer is "im gonna shift this char onto your face'
 
@ThePhD :3
 
@ThePhD :3
 
@Borgleader what was cut was cat eating the dog
 
@CatPlusPlus now how ~~disruptive~~ is that
 
5:03 AM
8
 
still that guy who couldn't invert a binary tree
I mean come on it doesn't take a genius
 
you can invert my tree whenever you want
 
Whatever you do, don't let the existential dread set in.
 
better than the original
 
5:10 AM
Soo... No shortage of meta drama in the past 12 hours.
 
Well done!
 
Gotta keep madarators employed
 
At least they're not actively trying to shut us down.
 
And I see that my inbox has been completely destroyed. YESSSS!!!!!!!
 
More notifications you will never click
 
5:20 AM
@Mysticial Screenshot notifications pls
 
@ElimGarak catchy
@ThePhD are you trying to kill us all
:28453828 :3
 
Nah.
 
I ~saw~ that
 
5:29 AM
I don't know what you're talking about.
Just a bad typo.
 
@ThePhD oh I think we both know you can feel the velvet paws of temptation more strongly every day
 
Question!
 
If you have a variadic template, can you unpack it two by two?
Like
Without doing recursive bullshit nonsense or packing it into a tuple?
 
@ThePhD but the recursive bullshit nonsense is the fun nonsense
 
5:30 AM
@jaggedSpire No. No it's not.
 
you need more variadics in your life if you think that
anyhow, I don't think there's a real way of unpacking in pairs without recursion. Binary fold expressions are based around a single operator, so it's not like you could...oooh
 
Does VC++ even have fold expressions?
 
lolno
 
Are fold expressions C++17 or 14?
 
5:40 AM
> Fold expressions


No


No
Why do I fucking bother with this piece of shit compiler.
 
actually I don't know whether it has them. For advanced features I just assume the answer is either "no" or "yes but broken" when it comes to VC++
@ThePhD because you thrive on frustration
anyway, I wonder what happens when you fold around an operator that returns a secondary type, where the same operation on the secondary type produces the original type
dammit man I was being productive
actually that's a lie
why is this measuring tape on the floor
 
You were trying to measure how much good you could do in the world.
Shrug.
 
@ThePhD and here I was about to say, "oh that's why it's completely wound"
Hm
 
@ThePhD ah well then
 
5:47 AM
Oh god, I have the same tastes as you...
What is happening to me?
 
@ThePhD how is this a surprise? :3
 
Send help.
 
We walk the same path
 
Really?!?! This thing is still on the hot questions list?
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Q: Should we avoid language features that C++ has but Java doesn't to increase maintainability?

amuseSuppose I am limited to use C++ by the environment in the project. Is it good to prevent the use of some language features that C++ has but Java doesn't have (e.g.: multiple inheritance, operator overriding)? I think the reasons are: If Java doesn't provide a feature that C++ has, it means tha...

lol
 
stalked by the black cat of hope, shadowed by desperation
 
5:48 AM
I disappear for 3 days (with the exception of the meta post which forced me back).
Oh and @Shog9. Thanks for cleaning things up around that meta post. I really thought my post was gonna fall on deaf ears.
 
just had some prawn, grilled some fish, now wondering whether to have some watermelon or juice some strawberries ...
 

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