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2:00 PM
> @Everybody: Thanks very much for your kind words. Had I known that retiring from C++ would have led to so many nice comments, I'd have done it years ago :-)
lol
> Those of you hoping for Effective [Language of Choice] may get what you're looking for, but it won't come from me. I'm languaged-out, at least for a while.
 
sbi
@Morwenn I guess a had a few good lecturers when I studied. If you want something to gauge my level of intolerance, watch that talk of some Italian called Gigante about FP in C++ from last year's MeetingC++. I considered this quite awful.
 
How many Effective Language books are there?
I'm aware of C++ and Java only.
 
TIL: tagarrush What a relieve to know it's actually a well known phenomenon. #cultural #enrichment
 
Ven
@fredoverflow omg, he forgot the semicolon to the class!
 
@sbi I have zero tolerance for videos of talks. I only read slides.
 
2:01 PM
How do you know it belongs to a class?
 
@Magisch lol, not me, but this is the Lounge, and you need to be careful in what you post:)
 
meh
 
@fredoverflow Effective STL
 
> than
 
@Morwenn STL is not a language.
 
2:02 PM
attract attention --> people get curious about your posts --> people read your posts --> people vote
 
sbi
@fredoverflow Oh, we have switched years ago. For tests on Windows, that is. Unfortunately, our hardware vendor is behind updating to VxWorks7 (was scheduled for Q4/15, still not arrived), and updating the C++ compiler is something they have mentioned as "maybe after that, but no promise".
 
He did say though that they are shit
Im curious as to why
without the why information I have no way of knowing what about my posts is wrong
 
@fredoverflow You never asked about languages :p
 
well I need to go to work I don't have time to look at your post history
 
@Magisch What are we talking about? Any specific links you want me to review?
 
sbi
2:03 PM
@fredoverflow C#, I think. An XML one, too. And maybe some more.
 
2 mins ago, by fredoverflow
How many Effective Language books are there?
 
-2
A: Violating static function in C

MagischYou could create a function pointer to the static function, then call it using that pointer. Then again, why make a function static to begin with if you want to violate the static part in it. Like you can violate a static variable with the pointer, so can you a function. In both cases, that is...

 
@fredoverflow ITT I can't read.
 
Eww.... VxWorks:(
 
@fredoverflow Of course is it. Spartan Tempestuous Language. What did you think STL stood for?
 
2:03 PM
@ElimGarak Called my posts shit
I would like to know a) which and b) why
 
@JerryCoffin Stephan T. Lavavej?
 
so I can learn
 
@JerryCoffin Stupidly Truncated Library
 
Im a first year apprentice ofcourse my posts aren't professional level
 
lol I'm gonna call him Stephan <T> Lavavej from now on :)
 
Ven
2:04 PM
@Magisch y u no indent function bodies?
 
sbi
@Morwenn Then do not go to conferences. And when you go to some UG, make sure you miss the talk, and only arrive for the chatting afterwards. :)
 
@Magisch a) who cares, b) 'cos Lounge
 
@Ven writing them for SO my normal automatic indentation doesn't work D:
 
> so can you a function
That's really weird Denglish.
@Morwenn Can you upload a video of you reading slides?
 
@Magisch write elsewhere, copy/paste into post
 
2:05 PM
@Magisch It's the Lounge - everyone's posts are shit, except maybe Mysticial, whose posts are merely below average.
2
 
@fredoverflow Yeah, in my head.
 
I though he was talking about my answers
which I dont want to be shit
 
@Magisch Use spaces instead of tabs.
 
@MartinJames How can everybody be below the average?
 
@fredoverflow Lounge warp
 
2:06 PM
@AlexanderChrisS Investigating now, but no indicators. Can you give more info? Location, ISP?
 
sbi
@Morwenn I think this is mostly a thing because this guy (Jens Weller, he is also the one behind MeetingC++) is lobbying so hard for it. And, of course, isocpp.org is not unhappy about this and he gets support from them.
 
:<
I probably poked the wrong bear by posting here
 
@sbi Yeah, it makes sense.
 
@sbi I don't see any harm in going to conferences and having human interactions. But then, I've never been to conference myself, so...
 
@Magisch Nah - keep it up. Teh Lounge is da bomb
 
2:07 PM
@Magisch nah, sehe's the nice one
 
At least it shows that people are still interested in the language even though its death is still being predicted several times a year.
 
sbi
@fredoverflow You just lack imagination.
 
I got more DVs in 5 minutes here then the rest of the year combined
 
Nobody is downvoting you here. That requires effort and you're not that important.
 
@sbi I would have accepted "integer overflow".
 
2:08 PM
@Magisch you know new people only come to lounge to get smacked right?
we are the lounge<smack the newb++> room
 
@Magisch OK, time to stop trying to remember the downvotes and invest in a proper database for them.
 
@Magisch You don't mean the starboard, do you? Those aren't downvotes.
 
@ElimGarak they're downvoting him on the main site, instead. Obvs, they can't do it here. :P
 
sbi
@fredoverflow You should go to some conference. IMO, it's really good to be there, listen to talks, meet people, and chat with them about programming.
 
@sbi ...maybe even give a talk myself? :)
 
2:09 PM
@fredoverflow No, shortly after I posted here I got 3 DVs on 3 random questions of mine on SO
 
those are stars and we use them to make things visible
 
puppy isn't even here, strange ...
 
All within a minute
 
* private
** protected
*** public
 
sbi
@fredoverflow Yeah, if you're with a university, this might be the only way for them to pay for (what's left of) the expenses.
 
2:10 PM
so I presume its the same user, as I dont have enough answers or points to generate that kind of up/down traffick usually
 
amazing isn't it, we can all downvote here, so maybe if you don't want more downvotes, you should leave? I have not used any downvote at all today FYI ...
 
@sbi Oh.. you meant a REAL conference, with talks and chat, and sobriety.
 
@sbi Any particular conferences you would recommend?
 
Lol, sobriety.
 
sbi
@MartinJames I am not so sure about sobriety.
 
2:10 PM
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper you're in fine form today, telkitty
 
sbi
@fredoverflow Well, MeetingC++ is just a short hop to Berlin.
 
user406009
@fredoverflow The problem is that the post quality distribution is skewed right. So the average post is greater than the median. And the majority of posts are below average.
 
@jaggedSpire I don't downvote usually ... coz ... ~effort~
 
@sbi I like the talk about segmented iterators. A few interesting things about parallelism too.
 
@Lalaland Still, at least one person would have to be above average.
 
2:11 PM
@Lalaland on SO?
 
sbi
@Magisch Actually, this was after you bragged about memorizing every single fucking downvote. That does require a lot of mental exercise, so I thought I'd help you get some of it, and make sure you'll remember me.
 
Xeo
@sehe why?
 
dude
I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO SLEEP
WTF AM I DOING
 
@fredoverflow maybe the benchmark isn't an average lounger? ~shrug~
 
@Xeo arrows maybe?
 
2:12 PM
@sbi Are there already plans for a MeetingCpp2016?
 
Xeo
@sehe The invite to the C++ room
 
@sbi I got excited for a second that you were going to provide critique to help me learn with it, as people usually do when they DV my stuff
 
sbi
@Morwenn Yes, there was some pretty amazing stuff on this at last year's mcpp.
 
guess not
 
@Xeo It's a thing that happens. Sigh. I thought you how SE Chat works
 
Xeo
2:13 PM
@sbi Especially on Saturday evening. :D
 
@fredoverflow Well, there's the Polish Pissup
 
@Magisch I will. And then you'll get my downvote too
 
Xeo
@sehe Oh yeah, moving.
 
user406009
@Morwenn Do you happen to remember the name of the good parallelism talk?
 
sbi
@Xeo Uh oh.
 
2:13 PM
Is it just me or are templates looking more sane as I think "PARAMETERIZATION" loudly to myself
 
@Xeo :D It would be nice if there was a link to the move announcement. I get it now
 
Xeo
I only ever see that invite with "Bin" so I was confused :D
 
@sehe feel free to have a go at some of my posts
they are all pure C though so I warn you
7
 
"pure C" lol
 
as in, not c++
 
2:14 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^ dis guy
 
@Magisch It's not "having a go". livecoding.tv/sehe
 
@Lalaland The one about the landscape of parallelism by Wong wasn't bad IIRC.
 
sbi
@fredoverflow Yes, of course. He had mentioned to me thinking about a bigger venue, but at the end unveiled that he rather will get more space at the same hotel. I suppose he has booked that already.
 
You been there every year so far?
 
@Magisch yeah... that's enough to keep me away. I have a huge Damoclean pile of C hanging over my head ATM. It smells terrible.
 
sbi
2:15 PM
@fredoverflow Nah, just the last one and the one before that.
 
@Magisch Why in the world are you using C?
 
@MartinJames You'll probably stone me for this, but I only do C, VBA and VB6 professionally
 
sbi
It'd be a waste to not to go to a good C++ conference in your hometown, after all.
 
IT at a small company
 
Wait you can use function pointers to static functions in C even if they're outside the compilation unit?
 
Ven
2:16 PM
oh, now I know what @sehe looks like.
 
@Magisch I only use C 'cos legacy crap I'm forced to support:(
 
user406009
@Morwenn Thanks.
 
Same for me with VB6
 
So I can do fileB.func_ptr = &(fileA.func1) ???
 
we have this monstrosity of an app for vb6 and the other monstrosity, the company database, which runs on access 2003
company access database is like 1.2m lines of code
its ridiculous
 
2:17 PM
@Magisch You don't happen to work for FAST, do you?
 
sbi
@sehe Good to hear she's back up again. Now that you mentioned you're looking ISTR asking you about moving to Berlin a while ago. (Or was that several years ago?) Why did you quit? And what are you working on now?
 
@Magisch Ohh.. shit. I thought I was badly off:( VB and Access ... :((
 
@VermillionAzure No, small company.
 
@Magisch ...And you're using Visual Basic?
In a startup?
 
@AlexanderChrisS Likely something localised, possibly transit congestion. Let us know if it happens again.
 
2:17 PM
What field?
 
@MartinJames And I have to support everything I write from windows 95' to windows 10
 
Small company is hell bent on staying small.
 
@VermillionAzure Not a software company
we are 3 people in IT of the 125 person company
 
> Small company
 
@VermillionAzure Whatever the field it, I'm sure it's growing well - it's liberally covered in shit.
 
2:18 PM
Wait is that considered small?
 
user406009
@VermillionAzure Yes.
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure A Startup doing VB? More like a Shutdown, really.
12
 
@Lalaland Really?
I've been around very small companies with <10 people so I consider that as small
 
Not a startup, and IT is not the focus
we do auxillary it like automating stuff and process auditing
 
Well let me guess you guys are a gov't contractor
 
2:19 PM
@Ven eeeek. I don't cover mental health expenses
 
not in the US
 
@Magisch lol W95. I don't even support XP now, (though my apps do still run on it).
 
We have some machines with inbuilt PCs that run on unupgradeable win95
 
Ven
@sehe broke coliru live
 
2:20 PM
@StackedCrooked alert:
> mkdir: cannot create directory `/root/coliru/Web/../CompileArchive': Permission denied
 
these are paid off and used to be very expensive.
 
Welp, I'd like to announce the news that my R software's manuscript has just been submitted for review for a journal!
Hopefully I'll have a paper published
 
so naturally they will run them until they break
 
and I guess people will get to know my real name
 
user406009
@Magisch Is there some special hardware attached?
 
2:21 PM
So, you do C and VB, and you came to the C++ room?
 
user406009
Or are you just using them as plain servers?
 
@Lalaland yes
Its a machine
as in a machine programming chips and mounted chips
with an inbuilt computer
 
@Magisch Yeah - I've had that, boxes embedded in 19" racks, controlling stuff, no incentive to change 'cos expense.
 
user406009
@Magisch A cheap, modern computer would probably be like 10 or 20 times faster.
 
@MartinJames That depends on the computational load, right?
 
2:22 PM
So im forced to maintain this 600mb abomination against the lord that is our database
 
user406009
But I guess, don't fix what what isn't broken.
 
@StackedCrooked problem went away /cc @набиячлэвэлиь
 
> mkdir: cannot create directory `/root/coliru/Web/../CompileArchive': Permission denied
/cc @StackedCrooked
@sehe Wait, is that the one I just discovered?
 
@Magisch aaaaand this is why I will never learn visual basic.
 
Corilu full?
 
2:23 PM
@Columbo So it's intermittent /cc @StackedCrooked
 
@VermillionAzure Drivers - nobody wants to risk any kind of change.
 
@sehe Let's just ping him again for good measure /cc @StackedCrooked
 
@sehe the livecoding.tv link you posted, I can't view it right now
 
@MartinJames mm.
 
what is that
I'll be home in an hour and a half
then I can view it
 
2:24 PM
@Magisch sehe does live coding stuff
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure Congrats!
 
@Magisch Too bad - I just realized that it was too short to create a recorded session from. So, it's gone. Here's the result though:
 
@sbi I'd show you guys the stuff I've been doing for the past... 8 or so months but I should wait until it's all published
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure That's OK as long as it is not the same people as those who know you under your other monikers.
 
Have you tried this, @Magisch? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/3e688928bb9e0e87 It can't work. — sehe 42 secs ago
 
user406009
2:26 PM
@VermillionAzure Nice
 
Yeah nvm I suck
 
@sehe I see
 
Cinch writing papers because tutorials are too mainstream.
 
@Magisch (Note that there were obvious glaring bugs besides the remaining error shown. I figure that's less important but it does show the sloppiness of the answer)
 
@ElimGarak If it makes you feel better I'm writing documentation and tutorials for the tool
 
sbi
2:27 PM
@VermillionAzure Huh?
 
@sehe Looking at it now (that was 4 or so months ago) I have no clue wtf I was thinking
 
@sbi Once I decide to put my name out there I'll want to have an online presense
I'm not so sure how I want to go about that...
A lot of the academic professionals, of course, use their own name and stuff
 
You should use "Cinch"
 
Perhaps a more serious blog
 
And let the Lounge endorse you
 
2:29 PM
@Magisch That's a sure fire way to get downvotes. I can look at more (I promise I'll be fair. Also, I will upvote an "ok" answer if only because you have the guts to ask for feedback!)
 
@ElimGarak Ooh but that'll lead them to my B-grade music and 100s of accounts on random games like Wurm Online
So um it's 4:30am and I just finished my hw
I don't think it's worth much going to sleep
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure Um. I was referring to the obviously deleted message which pinged me, but which I do not know the content of.
 
Which leads me to a table of sizes for the binary representation how? — Qwertie Apr 11 '11 at 15:28
 
@sbi Yeah I was talking about the way I have presented myself online and I was thinking, "Why do I need to change anything?" And then I looked into the past, looked in the eyes of my Cinchness and I shuddered and whispered: "No."
 
@VermillionAzure Wurm Online = Snake?
 
2:32 PM
@fredoverflow uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wurm Online is this sandbox game that's still going
Probably is the really only MMORPG that has a real organic sandbox community
 
@VermillionAzure Organic sandbox with wurms in it.
 
@ElimGarak don't make me sqwurm
Welp I guess I should do something
I guess I'll try work on that parser stuff
 
Write a tutorial about parsers
 
@ElimGarak I need to find one
 
Write one by hand for C++.
 
sbi
2:35 PM
Well well, wouldn't you know it. A mail came just in and it looks like I'll be going to spend 3 or 4 days teaching C++ to a bunch of embedded C programmers again this spring.
Here comes the hard question: What shall I charge them per day?
 
@sbi How much do they make and who's paying for it
 
Not too much, otherwise the board might burn.
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure It's their company that's hiring me.
 
@sbi Should be per hour.
 
@sbi Why do they want to hire?
@MarkGarcia i totally agree
 
sbi
2:37 PM
@MarkGarcia Shrug. I'll be teaching 6hrs/day, plus I'll have the people around me for lunch and all coffee breaks. If you want, you're free to divide the daily rate by 6, but what would that buy me?
@VermillionAzure I do not know whether they hire in general. All I know is that they want to hire me again to teach C++ there, because they think I did a good job last time.
 
@sbi What I mean is what are they gonna be using this for or what are you teaching them
There's C++ and then there's C++ and then there's C++
 
@sbi lol C++ to non-OO C devs. Did you HAVE to accept the job? :)
 
user406009
@MartinJames They theoretically could be using OO C.
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure They are an embedded hardware vendor doing their own software as a layer over VxWorks, IIRC. They are sticking to C++03 for the time being, so it's one of the few teaching jobs I can take in good conscious.
 
user406009
You just have to believe!
 
2:40 PM
@Lalaland They may be genetically-altered giraffes.
 
@sbi Oh. Well uhhh...
Did you get quotes on other people?
 
Our CDN @CloudFlare is having issues in India at the moment. Apologies whilst they work towards resolving this. https://t.co/MEh1kUmfVd
 
@Feeds trying my best not to make that joke
 
sbi
@MartinJames I have taught C++ to C programmers (and Java programmers) before, and know pretty well how to tackle that and what the hurdles are. Usually I get hired by companies that sell seminars and are lack of a teacher fro some job, and they all hand out evaluation forms at the end of the seminar. I usually get excellent reviews in these, so I guess I cannot be all that bad.
 
@sbi Rather you than me:)
 
2:44 PM
@sbi I'm totally not qualified to give advice, but maybe you should take account what you want out of your relationship with them?
 
user406009
I wish we had the power to customize feeds. Unfollow stackstatus and follow some other Twitter handles instead.
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure I know what I got last time. But then I was hired by some consulting which had a contract with another consulting company which... eventually, someone had a contract with the customer. But I dunno whether everybody in this foodchain got a huge profit, or if they were so desperate to not to break some contract they had already committed to that they paid me more than they got from the customer. :-/
@VermillionAzure Shrug. I am not cheap, and they know this. They want me anyway.
 
@sbi Well I'm afraid you're the one most qualified here to answer that. :)
 
@sbi Consultant role? Buy me some beer/. man
 
sbi
@MarkGarcia Well, I'm not really good at these business things. :-/
@ProblemSlover Huh?
I'll give a seminar.
 
2:49 PM
@ProblemSlover Didn't you leave today?
 
@sbi I mean I believe have got enough money in the bank to buy me some beer :(
@ElimGarak Why should I id you don't leave /:
 
@ProblemSlover Problem Sloving skills: over 9000
 
Hey, birdbrain, learn to write.
 
sbi
@ProblemSlover I am divorced twice, with quite a few kids. When it comes to what I have available after all the bills are paid, I suppose I'm actually quite close to Germany's poverty line.
 
2:52 PM
Wow, divorced twice. I guess grumpy ape is an acquired taste <3
 
sbi
@ElimGarak Nah, my first wife was 19 when she fell in love with me.
:)
 
@sbi How about 300 per day?
 
Does anyone else use a dark theme with SO in Chrome? Is there something that matches nicer in terms of the browser UI itself?
 
@sbi Oh man. Let's team up build something great. and you won't suffer of poverty man ;)
 
@sehe the chat delay is something ridiculous, around 50, if not more. At the time of writing "not yet" you doing that hasn't yet come on-screen for me
 
sbi
2:54 PM
@ProblemSlover It seems you fail to see how this finances-after-divorce thing actually works...
@fredoverflow What? Are you nuts?!
 
Too much or not enough?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Yes. I did it twice. So the fact you noticed me on the second run doesn't mean I didn't before :) No matter, it's working. I understand now why it didn't/couldn't work and how the plugins are different.
 
sbi
@fredoverflow That's lacking a digit!
 
3000 per day sounds a bit much...
 
@набиячлэвэлиь FWIW I agree that text-only config is better
@fredoverflow depends on how many days you can expect to provide your service
 
2:56 PM
@ProblemSlover If he teams up with you, he'll end up on the street.
 
sbi
@fredoverflow You have no idea about this industry.
 
@fredoverflow 1300?
 
300.0?
 
Ven
@MartinJames But their variables names are worse
 
sbi
Actually I'm a programmer and earn my money writing C++. I do this teaching thing once in a while only. More as a hobby, because I happen to like to do it. Preparing several hundred slides for the specific level of knowledge a specific client expects isn't exactly an easy job, though, and it did take me 20 years to acquire the knowledge and experience in the field and in teaching. That's gotta pay for something.
 
2:57 PM
@sbi Huh, so that's why Scott gets to live on consultancy...
 
Okay, that explains the extra digit ;) I only make 300 a day. And I don't prepare a lot of slides.
 
@sbi he's an academic
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth I know.
@MarkGarcia I bet Scott got at least 10k/day + all expenses when working at a client site. ICBWT, I have never asked him.
I might not be able to get 3k per day, but that's certainly within the range I aim for!
 
You should buy a wig and become the next Scott Meyers!
 

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