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4:00 PM
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 28 minutes.
 
you're just an opinion
 
Poor guy. Here we are swearing at and insulting each other, and he gets suspended for posting a photo of a beautiful woman.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Who that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @ProblemSolver
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yaay
 
4:01 PM
4 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
I flagged that one.
 
@ThePhD Great success
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Everything is kept when moving to other rooms, including pins.
I can pin stuff on any room by pinning it here and then moving.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahaha
 
(Meaning anyone with room creation privilege can pin anywhere, but don't do that or I'll mod-flag your ass)
 
4:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2 late
 
in PHP, 2 days ago, by PeeHaa
Incoming "PHP sucks" pinned message in 3....
 
meh I already told them that PHP sucks so they're informed
 
that PHP sucks should be the first thing any programmer learns
from there they can move on to Java....
 
@TonyTheLion to say that Java sucks?
 
hm... seems like Windows has only blocking shutdown or not
 
4:10 PM
You're bad at TCP
 
@TonyTheLion Not sure. I think it should be second thing, right after 'FP compares can be unreliable because of binary representation of decimal numbers'.
 
We need to compile a list of 10 things every new programmer should be aware of
 
@Abyx Well, the docs do say something about guaranteeing portability.
I got aware of it because my boss told me it's Windows that "has some 'special' behaviour", but he doesn't remember what.
 
msdn is great: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/… says "Note The shutdown function does not block regardless of the SO_LINGER setting on the socket." and then "Note When issuing a blocking Winsock call such as shutdown, Winsock may need to wait for a network event before the call can complete."
 
Xeo
k, guess it's time to call my parents.
 
4:13 PM
I know number 3, low level programming is for savages
 
@Abyx lol
@TonyTheLion Savages are people too! (Assuming they were at the unconference)
 
10) Don't waste your time in Lounge<C++> if you ever want a carreer
5
in other news, threading is doing my head in
I've got a bug somewhere, and I can't find it
 
Xeo
Throw out threading, bug solved.
 
@Xeo do tell after you're done.
 
@Xeo you know, I did try that, and the bug stops showing itself, but the desired behavior is incomplete :(
 
4:16 PM
@TonyTheLion braket stop fanboying haskell already
mutability is a cool thing
 
I'm having anxiety
why
 
I'm having threading issues, why
 
oh yeah, it's django, that's why
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. I just thought it was funny.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I recall you doing that before
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... as does, evidently, PeeHaa.
 
Xeo
I'm having not-my-money problems, why
 
4:19 PM
lolz
@Xeo cos you're a nice guy
@Xeo and because your parents can't count
hth
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That was his reply after I demoed it to them.
 
inb4 yes i know mum and her boyfriend
@R.MartinhoFernandes didn't you do it like three months ago?
 
Nah. That was just a Feeds message.
 
The pinned message I moved was this:
in PHP, 2 days ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
This is just a test. Don't panic. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239680/stars-and-pins-are-retained-when-‌​chat-messages-are-moved
 
Xeo
4:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It wasn't pinned
 
Quite harmless and self-explanatory.
 
@Xeo oh, pins. lulz
 
2014: django still doesn't include email verification utilities in contrib.auth
 
contrib.auth needs to die not expand
 
django-allauth on the other hand looks great
 
4:23 PM
afair it's shitty
 
:allauth:
 
@CatPlusPlus why?
 
I don't have a list of issues I found, I just remember discarding it
 
hmm I wonder if I got enough cash for my flat repairs to not get in debt myself
I'd need to make some cuts here and there
but ultimately I wouldn't be in debt a single penny
 
Aren't you leasing a flat?
 
4:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus I inherited (~, longer story) one.
 
user1804599
Yay, bounded synchronised channels with coroutines! ideone.com/tbbqOG
 
@CatPlusPlus But I want/need to kill the bathroom with fire and make it all over
and all the furniture in the kitchen
 
Is it falling apart or what
 
it's shitty, in short.
 
And yeah, old to the point where it's either falling apart or literally rotting
Also it has terrible floors in the kitchen and the corridor
I'd need to repaint all the rooms too, but that's a minor discomfort compared to what the utility rooms need.
I just don't know if I should take a loan and do it once and really well or wait it out a while, just getting it to sorta inhabitable state
 
Stretching it out in time is p annoying
 
1) FP compares can be unreliable because of binary representation of decimal numbers.

2) PHP $is $an $apallingly $bad $language.

3) C does not have a string type. It has a nasty bodge instead - something invented to please early Unix developers who thought that computers executed text files only.

3) strlen( ) is not magic, it needs a null terminator and, in network code, nearly always screws up your app.

4) Difficult-to-understand expressions should be split up so that either you can understand and debug them, or recognise them as moronic, (i++ + ++i).
 
If you can then doing everything in one go is better
 
4:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus this time could be a few years though
at that point I might not even need a loan
 
user1804599
@MartinJames You don't want to know how to use debuggers.
 
If you stretch it out too much you'll have one thing starting to fall apart as you finish another one
 
uh.
Yeah that doesn't sound nice.
I'm just not earning enough at this point to make saving up for that in short time really viable.
 
Flat being in a constant state of renovation is an annoying thing
 
4:29 PM
@rightfold It's too late for me, I already know how.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If only there were ways to make a really quick buck, like, say, robbing a bank.
 
Hungry again:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes or codementoring :P
 
Tomorrow in the news: "Pole robs bank, says Robot made him do it"
 
user1804599
YOU RACIST
 
4:30 PM
(Before @Lightness mentions it, the comma abuse is for effect; that's how news outlets would do it)
 
user1804599
Oh I borked up scenario 1. :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's ok
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm sorry for being in a busy office.. It might be a bit difficult to breath there :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i mean, it's not, but it is
 
'Pole dances through bank security'
4
 
4:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're amazing
 
@ProblemSolver Just be sorry for posting a photo of a morbidly obese bitch with one leg, and we'll call it apology accepted.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Correction: one and a half legs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh THAT comma abuse
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you insulted that woman by kicking me :P
 
yeah also fine
I style my blog post titles that way
 
4:33 PM
@ProblemSolver no, he insulted her by calling her a bitch
 
probably some of my SO questions too
 
Wait. You got kicked and flag-suspended?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, So I'm suggesting to flag him :D
 
You must accept an answer if it helped — Cool Guy 7 mins ago
 
ok no. but i would!
 
4:34 PM
@ProblemSolver do you miss your suspension already?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I quoted the text that indicated he was suspended. You then asked who it was and I told you.
 
Also can that comment be flagged?
 
As for the kick, KICK AUDITS PLZKTHX
 
Is that an abuse?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No
 
4:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, but I don't know about the kick because no audits :(
 
user1804599
I think I will just make it possible to import modules written in Lua if they are under std.
 
I'll be a politician now, and promise to announce it every time I kick someone.
Right now, kicking @rightfold, just because.
 
1 min ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
As for the kick, KICK AUDITS PLZKTHX
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
> (Text between parentheses is not normative.)

The first paragraph of this rule does not apply to itself.
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4:36 PM
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Q: PI number to 10000 digits

honzixI'm trying to write a program showing 10000 digits of PI number, easy, huh? Well, there's a catch, the file is limited to 5000 Bytes. I tried doing things like changing "11" to a to make the code shorter, but it was about 9000 and that's too much for me. Any ideas or tips? And I can't use any oth...

/cc @Mysticial
 
> 343. This rule does not apply to itself.
 
Bad Admins, expect my revenge once I become one of you :P
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
I like these colours.
 
Yeah that won't happen
 
4:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ugh
@R.MartinhoFernandes UGH
@ProblemSolver You have even less chance of becoming a room owner than I do, mate.
(inb4 "no he doesn't" fu)
 
As tempting as it is
 
Huh, does Mysticial really hold the world record for Pi computation?
 
> (Text between parentheses is not normative.)

The third paragraph of this rule does not apply to itself.

The first paragraph of this rule does not apply to itself.
HELP.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gth hth
 
4:39 PM
I trapped myself in my own mind again.
 
robots don't have minds
2
 
seriously allauth seems awesome
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then it's even worse! I'm trapped nonetheless.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes innit
 
4:40 PM
What are the difference between single-dimensional arrays and multi-dimensional arrays, and how do they differ from regular arrays
Does anyone know?
 
Single-dimensional arrays have a single dimension while multi-dimensional arrays have multiple dimensions
hth
 
@Chantola someone probably does
 
the only thing I don't understand is why they don't use django-social-auth for the "social accounts" thingy.
 
@CatPlusPlus -_-
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah yes - found the "paper" and I remember it now
 
4:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus +1 this should be the accepted answer
 
you guys suck
 
Xeo
k, so.
Got some more infos now.
 
@Chantola you don't have to be there HTH
@Xeo shoot
 
@Chantola Seriously, what were you expecting?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nothing more.
 
4:43 PM
@Xeo Whatever you do, don't shoot your parents. Bartek is certifiably insane.
 
@Chantola C programmers only get UB when using single-dimensional arrays and so often get to deliver their bad apps.. When they try to use multi-dimensional arrays, they screw up, get continual segfaults and post on SO.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes certifiably?
 
I just wanted someone to point me in the right direction, not post obvious content.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you already have a certificate, I'll s/ably/ed/ :P
 
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@Chantola this is right
hth
 
4:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz the same can be said for you
 
@Chantola Well, your question had obvious comment in it.
..in that multidimentional arrays require multiple indices to get at individual elements.
..arrays of arrays of arrays...
 
bbiab hotel time
 
Xeo
So, the problems:
- Loan from the brewery (from the start of the whole gastronomy thing)
- Small debts to various people, apparently.
- If they decide to quit early:
- - contractual penalty from the brewery due to not purchasing beer etc anymore
- - the lease on the tavern doesn't allow quitting early in any way (checked by a lawyer)
 
LRiO has knocked off, time for me to unplug the phone.
 
@Chantola except I've been here for the past few years, and you just came here and told us we suck.
 
4:47 PM
@Xeo Good lease terms there
 
@Xeo Leasing deals are all bad. They all suck.
 
@Xeo so basically this 25k is to make them vegetate until those time out
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, basically. Pay the debts to the brewery and various people, and continue the tavern until Oct '16 (aka 2 more years).
 
Does that mean the tavern is operating at loss?
 
Xeo
(Or not-continue, and just live in the damn thing, as to reduce electricity and gas costs)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
4:49 PM
Ow.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Converting a brewery loan into bank loan worked well for us at the club. We could get beer cheaper from wherever we wanted and the interest was lower. Paid it off and we're free of debt:))
 
This won't end well
 
Xeo
Not enough events, not enough people, too many monthly costs
 
Work on marketing? :v
 
Hire strippers.
 
4:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Hold more unconferences:)
 
Xeo
Also, they got an additional payment request from the electricity people for 3k euro last month, which they haven't managed to pay, so they might get their electricity for the restaurant-part of the tavern cut.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The paintwork and wallpaper is fine.
 
Taking another loan to cover these debts is a Bad Idea and if you go that road this whole thing will bring you down with it
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus That's what I fear.
 
@CatPlusPlus you could show some compassion at least
 
4:51 PM
Is my professional assessment
 
@BartekBanachewicz What.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why? - the banks certainly won't.
 
Being honest > compassion.
 
Xeo
So, all-in-all a pretty fucked up situation.
 
4:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I think giving honest and rational advice is more useful
 
seriously guys I am the one here who speaks what he thinks
 
It's a failing business that is likely to get eaten by that stupid lease
 
I think we all do
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sort of. He wrote the software that was used to set the record. The actual computation was carried out by Shigeru Kondo. The most recent record wasn't nearly as bad, but the 10-trillion digit record took quite a bit of baby-sitting (mostly required disks to be replaced as it used them nearly continuously for months on end).
 
Xeo
I got a question though: How is being the guarantor different to actually just getting the loan myself and having them pay for it?
 
4:52 PM
but playing LoL has taught me enough about negative thoughts effect on others
@Xeo you aren't concerned as long as they're paying in time
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, even bankruptcy won't help there.
 
@Xeo You only need to pay if they fail to do so
 
@Xeo If they default, you're screwed. If they don't, you're clean.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes For which of the two? Being a guarantor?
 
Xeo
4:54 PM
In that case, getting the loan myself would actually work out better, since I can pay every month in that worst case.
 
taking the loan for someone is beneficial in that it boosts your credit history
 
Xeo
(As long as I have this/a job, obviously. Though that shouldn't be a problem.)
 
but yeah, you have to calculate the fact that you'll be paying that
@Xeo Loans suck.
 
Xeo
Ye. And stupid contracts too.
 
Calm Down Guys, Don't hit me please :P
 
Xeo
4:56 PM
The lease that can't be cancelled, and the contract from the brewery about monthly purchases
 
Translationwreck?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Great. Except I don't plan to take a credit, ever.
 
well those are shitty.
 
Oh, missing "neither", I guess.
 
@Xeo you'll change your mind when buying a house
 
4:57 PM
Cue "I don't want to buy a house".
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. Maybe s/,/;/ though, dunno
 
It's the simple, and obvious solution to that problem.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes that
 
Why do people add paypal donate links on their profile?
 
Xeo
4:57 PM
I don't like the idea of being constrained to one place
 
@Chantola They look fancy.
 
@Xeo <rightfold>buy multiple houses!</rightfold>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do they actually get anything?
 
Xeo
Yesnomaybe
 
@Chantola yeah, quite a lot actually.
ask @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
4:58 PM
Dunno. I don't donate to random SOers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz seriously??? like how much do you get with it?
 
@Xeo Only a good idea if there's good reason to believe that by then it'll be profitable (e.g., they use the money to do improvements, there's nearby construction that's reducing traffic that will be done before then, etc.)
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin The other option is quitting early, which the lease and brewery contract effectively don't allow (since they have those costs anyways)
The only thing they'd reduce with quitting (and just living in the tavern due to the lease) would be gas and electricity
 

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