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8:00 PM
@thecoshman thought so
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno, but damn good looking. Would you do him?
 
@AndyProwl first the constexpr bitset proposal and all the arcane constexpr limitations that it exposes
 
@TemplateRex btw is the bitset<0> specialization even meaningful?
 
@Loopunroller dno man
 
I mean, do you have to provide an implementation for that too?
 
8:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Im not a man
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit going to forget all about it, but you know, sort of might of actually done it
 
@AndyProwl beats me, but in generic code, you never know. std::array<T, 0> is also supposed to be well-formed
 
15 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
why allow bitset<0> to be instantiated/
@thecoshman i don't mind :)
 
13
Q: Why is std::array< T, 0 > not empty?

Daniel FreyGiven any std::array< T, 0 >, why is it not empty? I mean "empty" as in: std::is_empty< std::array< int, 0 > >::value returning false and #include <iostream> #include <tuple> #include <array> struct Empty {}; int main() { std::cout << sizeof(std::tuple<int>) << std::endl; s...

 
@Loopunroller i don't care
 
8:01 PM
@TemplateRex true, but does the same apply to bitset?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You don't, though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit kera.name
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit only 15 mins late! not bad
 
@AndyProwl it does in libstdc++
 
i'm improving
 
8:02 PM
I just wanted to be backward compatible
 
@TemplateRex like, the library explicitly offers the guarantee that it makes sense as an extension?
 
@TemplateRex I know why. GCC decides to do (size? size : 1) inside the definition
 
@Loopunroller that's mandated by the standard though
(at least I seem to recall that)
I'm quite rusty
 
@AndyProwl Lemme check that.
 
standard doesn't say
@nightcracker interesting
 
8:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seems so, yes. It does provide the array member for exposition only, that doesn't indicate anything though
 
but even so, from a set perspective, empty sets should be perfectly okay as long as you don't try to access set members (which aren't there)
 
@AndyProwl §23.3.2.8
 
@Loopunroller right, I was just about to get there
 
@AndyProwl yup, that's pretty clear.
 
it only says that N is size_t, so I guess you have to support N=0
 
8:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit §23.3.2.8
 
hmm, this is strange: the source says " /**
* Base class, specialization for no storage (zero-length %bitset).
*
* See documentation for bitset.
*/
template<>
struct _Base_bitset<0>"
 
> array shall provide support for the special case N == 0
 
@Loopunroller array != bitset
 
but the docs are silent about zero storage special case
 
@AndyProwl array != bitset
 
8:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Are you using N3797?
 
@lightness does and array equal a bitset?
 
actually I'm using n3337 because I'm AFK and my C++11 PDF on this laptop got corrupted :(
but so what? array still != bitset
so I don't see why you're quoting array rules
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Are we talking about bitsets?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ok, thought you were talking about array when you wrote "standard doesn't say"
 
@Loopunroller yes...
 
8:08 PM
and std::bitset is basically a std::array<unsigned long long, N/64>
 
@AndyProwl I later edited that message to explain better, but my mobile internet cut out for those vital 2 minutes :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No. I originally replied to chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/19059267#19059267
 
@Loopunroller and that was posted as part of a discussion about bitset
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, sorry for that,
 
the entire discussion is about a constexpr implementation of bitset
try to keep up
 
8:09 PM
Then you were unfavourably posting stuff between my and Andys discussion
 
@TemplateRex in some implementation perhaps
@Loopunroller oh sorry I must have accidentally invented the notion that this is a FREE AND OPEN CHAT ROOM
 
I spent 3 days working on Problem 447 on Project Euler
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, but no problem hon
 
And I'm getting many steps closer to finding something ;_;
 
is Loopunroller Cicada or something
 
8:10 PM
@AndyProwl N3652 has some words on why static is disallowed, basically because it is in a separate init-phase
 
Aaaaand error again
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, but i updated my profile picture.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, QoI but everyone does it like this (maybe different word size)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do i look older than 17? I do, don't i?
 
user1804599
8:11 PM
No.
 
@TemplateRex where is that?
 
take the asl someplace else
 
I reduced the algorithm for counting retractions from O(n^3) to O(n log n log n) ;-;
which isn't that bad, right? ;-;
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Counting retractions?
 
8:13 PM
remember people, on the internet - especially technical fora/discussion places - someone is male until proven otherwise
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Well done
 
@Loopunroller It's still too slow though
I need it to be O(1)
 
@TemplateRex I mean, where in that document?
 
Because it's just not very feasible, even in O(n)
 
8:14 PM
I have it open but can't find the rationale
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Is it possible to get it in a closed formula?
 
I have no idea, I've been searching for patterns for hours
 
@AndyProwl ariables with static storage duration (3.7.1) or thread storage duration (3.7.2) shall be zero-initialized (8.5) before any other initialization takes place.
 
@TemplateRex how does that represent a problem?
 
user1804599
@MohammadAliBaydoun It's still O(n^3)!
 
8:15 PM
maybe that imposes undue burden on implementers to do constexpr (which is basically local constant folding, at least it initialily was in C++11)
 
I have no focus today
 
Just me, a few markers and 2 boards, lots of powerful computers in my uni's lab, and days of my time
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun have you solved 446?
 
@rightfold Yeah, but that isn't important
 
user1804599
You aren't important.
 
8:15 PM
Richard Smith had a few words on std-proposals the other day, saying that Clang set up some extra infrastructure to do C++11 constexpr, which allowed them to go much faster on C++14 constexpr (which he proposed btw).
 
@rightfold You're even less important.
 
What do you make of this?
The set for n = 14 has the following retractions:
{(1,0); (7,0); (7,2); (7,4); (7,6); (7,8); (7,10); (7,12); (8,0); (8,7)}
 
@nightcracker the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are undercover FBI-agents
 
Notice how the second part of the pair is part of some arithmetic sequence
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Might be just a coincidence.
 
8:17 PM
I tested it for big numbers
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Maybe 7 = 14/2 is relevant here seeing how often it comes up?
 
Well, not very big
From 2 to 1000, I went through a bunch of random ones
I see that the pairs are ALWAYS arithmetic progressions
 
from the way the problem is phrased
it seems like you need to use dynamic programming
 
One other thing,
F(10N) ~ 100F(N)
 
2
Q: How to say "So, yeah..." in German?

DerPolyglott33How do you say "So, yeah" in German? E.g.: So, yeah I need to get going. Here's my attempt: Also, muss ich verlassen.

ugh look at this americentricism
 
8:20 PM
when N is around 10^12, the error is a few parts per billion
 
OP doesn't even fucking bother to explain what his shitty American idiom means
because we must all already know, right?
because this is AMERICA
ON GERMAN.STACKEXCHANGE.COM
FUCKING FUCK ME
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Everyone knows what it means.
 
Wow
 
The problem is driving me crazy ;-;
I stayed at my labs from 3PM till 10:30PM the other day just trying to figure it all out
 
user1804599
8:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So yeah uh wtf like.
 
I just want to cry
I need a mathematician to hug me
and tell me it's all going to be okay ;-;
 
allauth succeeded in populating a completely empty user even though my django model explicitly states blank = False in few fields.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Try a simpler one.
 
I don't know if I'm more disappointed in allauth or django.
 
@Loopunroller so yeah that's totally not the point
 
8:22 PM
I'll just go drink something.
 
also well done for polling "everyone"
 
@AndyProwl OK, const_cast on static constexpr class variable: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/99b3898e6bef3a43
 
and also for erasing my memory of the event afterwards
 
@Loopunroller The simple ones are boring ;_;. I just write some lines in Haskell and my answer pops up ;-;
 
I must say, I'm curious as to why you've just assumed an American audience who don't need any exposition regarding this American idiom. Stack Exchange is an international community and I'd have thought it's self-evident that German.SE most certainly has an international flavour. That means you shall identify_/_explain your localised idioms when asking about them, instead of bringing this offensive Americentricism to the table. Thanks. — Lightness Races in Orbit 38 secs ago
;)
 
8:23 PM
@AndyProwl does const_cast yield UB?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun does an undergraduate CS student count?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So you complain about someone not explaining something for which an explanation isn't necessary? Damn
 
@TemplateRex Never.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ugh jeeze
 
> [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol
I don't even
 
user1804599
8:23 PM
@TemplateRex only when dereferencing non-const alias that was declared const initially.
 
@TemplateRex It shouldn't
 
@nightcracker Sure ;_;
 
@TemplateRex why do you need the const_cast?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun hug you're fucked
 
@Loopunroller How do you know it's not necessary? This is the language-site equivalent of not posting a testcase. Because, hey, everyone can just guess my code yeah/
 
user1804599
8:24 PM
Like int const x = 1; int* y = const_cast<int*>(&x); *y; /* this is UB */
 
@AndyProwl to return non-const ref?
 
I'm out.
 
@TemplateRex no wait
constexpr does not mean const
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun also wolfram alpha made the same observation as you did: wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28a+*+%28%28a*x+%2B+b%29+%25+n%29+%2B+b%29‌​+%25+n++%3D+%28a*x+%2B+b%29+%25+n
 
8:24 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm german and i can easily deduce what he means. But maybe you're right.
 
@AndyProwl for variables it does
 
It's clear from the question that the OP hasn't even considered the possibility that his local slang may not be used the same everywhere in the five-mile square section of Earth that speaks English
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun fixed link
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stop wanking now, what's the deal?
 
@Loopunroller You think you can. Ultimately, you cannot actually be sure, and that is a crucial flaw in the question for a translation request.
 
8:25 PM
@TemplateRex ah. But then why does this compile?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT TO YOU?
 
I hope to teach this OP so that he doesn't make this mistake on questions where it really does matter.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're so responsible to the internet.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun although I have to say I'm fucking puzzled where the 100 comes from
 
Ok.So can you please give a best/safe way to serialize a vector or possibly a resource to know more about this.That will be helpful. — bhushanblaster 4 mins ago
ugh
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
@thecoshman nice loop
 
user1804599
Also, nice loop.
 
@AndyProwl hmm, but how could you ever modify through that ref?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun there's no reason it should be 100 as far as I can see, as none of the modulo, multiply or add operators care about base-10
 
@TemplateRex I thought constexpr on a member variable meant that it can be initialized at compile time, but is not const
(haven't thought much about static to be honest)
 
@TemplateRex Expecting dynamic allocation to work in constexpr is your issue. There's no reason why it should work IMO.
 
8:28 PM
nah
 
@Rapptz that was in jest (partially, though)
 
every language feature and library feature should work in constexpr unless there's a solid reason not to; like breaking a sandbox with I/O or something.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why do you think "so, yeah" is american btw?
 
@Ell because it is
 
@Puppy exactly, everything without observable side-effects should succeed
 
8:29 PM
@Puppy you should see dynamic memory allocation as I/O
 
@nightcracker It isn't.
 
user1804599
No.
 
even just the leading "so" is demonstrably yankish and I'm not going to spend an hour taking you through the history of it now
 
user1804599
That would be immensely stupid.
 
go take a linguistics course or something
:)
 
8:29 PM
@TemplateRex You can't? auto is deduced as const, isn't it?`
 
Ell
I say "so, yeah" all the time :P
 
Feb 12 '11 at 13:27, by DeadMG
pure is a useless idea
 
Ell
I'm not a yank
 
user1804599
@Loopunroller Never.
 
@Puppy for all intents and purposes in C++ it is
 
8:29 PM
The idiom still comes from there
there are NFL fans in the UK y'know
they're morons, but they exist
 
@nightcracker Which is broken and the fact that it's broken is the issue under discussion.
 
@rightfold I am so gonna disprove you. inb4 Oh you were right
 
user1804599
I was right.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm sure there are lots of english speakers that use "so, yeah" then :)
 
@Puppy fair enough
 
8:30 PM
@nightcracker yes
@Ell yes, I'm sure there are
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun did that help you any?
 
@TemplateRex but there are 'observable side effects' to dynamic allocation. It can throw std::bad_alloc if there isn't enough memory or the OS doesn't want to give you any
 
@Loopunroller owww, that's a serious misunderstanding on my part. I thought auto& was like regular ref
 
throwing an exception is not an observable side effect.
 
8:31 PM
@Rapptz only if you throw
common path should be compilable, when you throw, abort compilation
 
@nightcracker I tried solving it that way several times
 
and how does it know it'll throw without requesting memory at runtime?
 
@nightcracker The conclusion I reached is based on the fact that integer division is not actually closed on the integers
 
user1804599
It will request memory.
 
user1804599
If that fails, and the exception is not caught, compilation failed.
 
8:32 PM
it requests memory at compiletime.
 
@nightcracker We had to assure that (x - ax + b)/n is an integer
 
if I want to store a dynamic-length data structure at compiletime then I'll need compiletime memory requests.
 
For all x in [0..n-1]
 
user1804599
TBH I don't see why I/O shouldn't be allowed at compile-time, either.
 
@Puppy and that is how D does it. just full language at your disposal
 
8:33 PM
@rightfold You're totally wrong.
 
Xeo
Welp, being a guarantor also doesn't work after all.
Well well well
 
user1804599
@Loopunroller auto& is not auto
 
@TemplateRex Also how Wide does it.
 
Ell
@TemplateRex you can do anything at compile time in D?
 
but
 
Xeo
8:33 PM
The next 4 years have just turned really shitty, it seems
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun well of course division isn't closed on the integers
 
@rightfold I was obviously on about the auto& part
 
It's a good thing to note that all numbers have the retraction (1,0)
 
user1804599
@Loopunroller auto& is not auto
 
R(n) = 1 + stuff
 
8:34 PM
@Ell basically, yes, even use string mixins from compiled code, mix that in place like a macro, and recompile that
 
user1804599
Try harder next time.
 
@Xeo Only if you've resigned yourself to putting yourself in a "shitty" situation. If you know it'd be so, why do it?
 
@TemplateRex ewwww strings...
 
Ell
so D has templates and more basically
 
I observed that R(p^k1 * q^k2) = p^k1 + q^k2 + 1 when you have 2 primes p and q
I wasn't able to find anything when your number had 3 distinct prime factors
 
Xeo
8:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Family.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun wait, is the inner modulo in (a * ((a*x + b) % n) + b) % n = (a*x + b) % n a no-op?
 
user1804599
Poor Xeo.
 
@Xeo That's absurd. You have no obligation to family such that you must expose yourself to €25,000 of new debt with slim repayment prospects.
 
@nightcracker It does something
 
@rightfold As auto i meant the auto in auto&, well thats of course stupid to say
 
8:36 PM
I fully respect that you've considered it as much as you have: I think that's admirable. But you must remember that "no" must be a valid option here.
I can't stress that enough.
 
Xeo
It is. I even told my mother that I really don't want a credit.
Still
 
I mean, if b is close to n, and x is like 1, even for a pretty small a, the mod will do something
 
Xeo
I have no idea how they're going to live if I don't do this, tbh.
 
@Xeo What is this about if i may ask?
 
user1804599
The mod will ban you.
 
8:37 PM
Well, I'll let this go after one final warning: it sounds like you are being massively pressured into a HUGE investment, with very low probability of pay-out, which multiple organisations with a tremendous experience in such things have already clearly decided is a bad idea. Please consider carefully.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not being pressured. Not by external forces, anyways.
 
Thanks, that works, but we are not using C++0x. — user2233706 8 mins ago
WHAT YEAR IS THIS
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I have a hard time seeing it, can you find a counterexample?
(even a trivial one)
 
@Griwes Many people still work with VS2010 or less
 
user1804599
@Griwes It's the year 0x.
 
8:38 PM
@nightcracker For n = 3, a = 2, x = 1, b = 2
 
@Xeo Bankruptcy and your equivalent of unemployment benefit until they find new jobs.
With your help of course
 
a*x + b = 2*1 + 2 = 4
With mod n, it would be 1
 
But then that aid can be on your terms, not the terms of a failing business
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Right. If only the lease wasn't so shitty, they could at least get away from that.
 
On the other hand, you can afford this, and it's family, and maybe it'll be really successful :)
@Xeo What's the penalty?
 
8:40 PM
ah yes
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They have to pay, until October '16
Even a lawyer saw no way out of that lease.
 
@Xeo I'm asking, what's the penalty for not doing so?
 
user1804599
Programming in C forever.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Honestly, I'm not too sure except for the "owing a buttload of money"
 
8:41 PM
@Xeo The precise amount is kinda important....
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun maybe I'm boring you with trivial observations, but have you tried millersville.edu/~bikenaga/number-theory/linear-congruences/…?
 
If it's less than €10k then they should do it
 
@Xeo I think 25K can help support them for a while much better than trying to help them get into serious debt over the next two years.
 
Xeo
The rent is somewhere around 2k / month
so, just calculate based on that.
it's 2 more years
 
Okay before you go any further, please find a way to ensure that your mother is never allowed near a contract or business plan ever again? Thanks.
@thecoshman this
 
8:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah now, to be fair it could have just been bad luck. Catering is a really hard nut to crack.
 
24 * 2 = 48k
 
@thecoshman who signs a lease like that
and who gets into a position - of unlimited liability, no less - whereby they are rejected for all loans and needs a bailout from their son
 
Someone really bad at business plans :v
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It was originally meant to be a 3-person business, but one bailed out. But yeah.
Signing that lease was really bad.
 
the one was wise
 
8:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, not the smartest move.
 
I'd take that as another sign!
someone having jumped ship is a HUGE indicator for you here
 
Xeo
@Puppy Plus the loan from the brewery, and contract penalty for not purchasing more booze when they stop.
 
by all means help your family out but I really wouldn't invest in this situation
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He left right in the beginning, really. Iunno what drove him to that decision.
 
@Xeo you said €500*12*~4. that's €24,000
@Xeo sanity? business sense? a general desire to continue eating?
 
8:45 PM
Maybe he saw business plans drawn in crayon
 
@Xeo yeah, fairly sure if the file for bankruptcy, they can call a stop to that. It should prevent the companies from getting money, and call and end to what your parents owe. Sure it'll screw their ratings, almost never get credit again, but in the long run.
 
@nightcracker Nah, I like having more mathematics tabs in my browser ;_;
 
lol i'm being a bit harsh now
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's with them continuing the business, and just covering the differences with that.
 
is the restaurant nice?
i feel bad for it
 
Xeo
8:46 PM
Ask everyone that went to the unconference :P
 
@nightcracker I've decided that it's best to put the problem aside for now. I'm going to start solving them in order. That leaves me at Problem 32
 
@Xeo I see
@Xeo just did
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun haha
 
@Xeo to be fair, we didn't really experince it.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman True, I guess
 
8:46 PM
see even your customers are bailing on you
 
Xeo
We mostly sat outside
 
It seemed like a nice enough spot, and what food I did eat was very nice.
 
But I've no idea about the location.
 
user1804599
I want to attend unconference.
 
8:47 PM
I've no idea if it's on a nice busy area or, as I suspect, the asshole of nowhere.
 
Xeo
Well, I can tell from personal experience (wrt other customers) that they were very pleased.
 
@rightfold June 13th brother.
 
To be clear, I want the restaurant to succeed and I really hope it does. I'm only being so negative because I'm concerned about your situation.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun the first problem I haven't solved is 86
 
user1804599
Maybe I look slightly feminine by then.
 
8:47 PM
@rightfold sorry only friends who have been here for years. not randoms
 
@Xeo how long they had it so far?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun 206 is the highest I solved
 
Xeo
2 or 3 years, IIRC
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've been here for longer than you, faggot.
 
actually this account is relatively old
 
8:48 PM
@nightcracker quoting JSONx - encode json as XML- Lightness would be so happy...
 
how did you manage that
not still deleting and making new accounts every few months then. kinda ruins my joke
 
@Xeo and still only just breaking even at best?
 
@Xeo Bad marketing then?
 
@nightcracker Highest for me is 135
 
@Chantola nice callback
 
Xeo
8:48 PM
@thecoshman Ye. The location itself was a huge costsink, with all kinds of renovations needed :s
I'll be honest, starting that business was the worst decision ever.
 
@nightcracker I'm still laughing at the people on Twitter who started logging their progress
 
@rightfold Are you transitioning?
 
@Xeo usually,a brewerey faced with a failing business, will be open to debt renegotiations. In case of bankruptcy (if your parents are at least in a corporation), they get nothing, so getting 60 cents on the euro is a good deal
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :P
 
Xeo
The location and the landlords are shit.
 
8:49 PM
@nightcracker Mainly because they all bragged about solving problems 1 and 2
 
@nightcracker For me its 473
 
and nothing more
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun fizzbuzz AND fibonnaci? wow
 
@Xeo No research before buying into that lease?
 
@Xeo Then you should say "I'll loan you money to help you survive after you pay all the penalties, but I can't help you with the business." (IANAB)
shame though :(
 
Xeo
8:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not much, I guess.
 
@Xeo thing is though, your parents need to avoid thinking that if they sink just a bit more money, tough it out just a bit longer that it'll turn around.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman They don't.
 
^
that's what gamblers do
 
Yeah don't put money into a failing business, this sounds like a "go into damage control and minimize losses" situation
 
Xeo
They plan to quit in October '16, and only because of the lease. They'd quit right now if they could.
 
8:51 PM
@Xeo What does make them thing it'll turn around, then?
Oh, right ok
 
Maybe you can find someone willing to take over the lease
 
That makes them sound a little more reasonable
 
@CatPlusPlus To take over a shit lease?
 
@CatPlusPlus Likely no-one in this room :P
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Apparently the landlord would still want the money, as per contract.
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I still have to tell mom :v
 
@Xeo Uh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, gamblers think "they've come this far" "I'm in this dep"
 
Xeo
I asked that earlier.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In what countries is it reversible if you sign a contract drunk?
 
@nightcracker fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)
 
8:52 PM
If you'd find someone then you'd renegotiate the contract
 
@Xeo Bankruptcy should sort that right out
 
Unless the landlord is a complete idiot??
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I'll have to talk to her about that again.
 
This is still the coolest fibonnaci implementation ever
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus He is. And an asshole.
 
8:52 PM
Aye, from what I know, bankruptcy is looking smart.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not if it becomes a personal bankruptcy, that will eat into your non-business assets
 
I mean who wouldn't want to get rid of bankrupt tenant in lieu of one that can actually pay the rent
 
Ell
I don't understand bankruptcy? or defaulting. They make no sense to me :S
 
THAT MAKES NO SENSE
 
why don't we just have the unconference in Berlin again, assassinate the landlord, and install someone new to do the job who's cool and nice
 
8:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol no. To be honest, it sounds like he's getting great money for that spot. If I was him, I'd probably be just as much as dick.
 
@thecoshman Yeah no it doesn't make sense
 
@CatPlusPlus they are not bankrupt untill they are.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's not up to them
 
I mean the landlord
 
Bankruptcy is a legal tool, not social engineering
 
8:53 PM
ghci> let fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)
ghci> fibs !! 1000000
<interactive>: out of memory
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I'll probably do all eulers at some point
 
And offloading the lease to someone else, assuming there would be a willing party
 
Xeo
@TemplateRex I think my mother said something about personal bankruptcy not being an option.
 
@CatPlusPlus it does, he has them locked into paying money. If they file bankruptcy, his ride is over, but he'll sucka someone else in.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun right now I'm too busy optimizing sorting algorithms :P
 
user1804599
8:54 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun whaha fibonacci in not O(1) space.
 
@thecoshman Are you even reading god
 
@Xeo is their business with limited liability?
 
@thecoshman and you wouldn't even have to form sentences!!
 
@Xeo it would be a 'personal' business right?
 
Xeo
@TemplateRex I don't know about that. I'll have to gather some more information.
 
8:54 PM
soo confused
 
@Xeo I doubt it.
 
soo very utterly confused
 
@Xeo From what you've told me I've assumed not
 
They're fucked if it's not an Ltd
 
@rightfold Implement Fibonacci in O(1) ;-;
 
8:55 PM
if their business is limited liability then just screw it, bankrupt their company and job done
 
user1804599
Space not time you fool.
 
if it was though, it's easy cake. They are just working for a limited company, they just stop, more or less.
 
no need for you
 
So that'd be nice to have
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I also assume it's not.
 
8:55 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun O(1) space
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun That's actually possible
 
however the fact that this is a problem indicates otherwise
 
@Xeo you should find a bankruptcy lawyer, figure out your maximum amount that you can payoff right now, and offer the brewery a decent return on their debt (say 50-70%) under the threat of bankruptcy
 
user1804599
Although time is perfectly possible as well if you're willing to restrict the input size. :P
 
8:55 PM
Lounge<Law>
 
O(1) space-time
 
@Loopunroller if you mean space, yes, time, no
 
Xeo
@TemplateRex Right now? 0.
 
@rightfold you can't restrict size when talking about O notation
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit totes
 
8:56 PM
We're expert business running people
You can trust us
 
user1804599
@nightcracker You can, it will just be O(1).
 
Taking on a poor business plan with an awful lock-in lease and no limited liability. And you think the banks wouldn't lend to them again because it's a restaurant? Lol.
 
A restaurant IN HELL
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hey now, I didn't know most of that this morning!
 
@rightfold No.
 
8:56 PM
@Xeo you can propose them a payoff schedule. With 50% return, the brewerey makes a profit if they can install a new business in that same place within one year
 
because you give back the lease with basically one year pay
 
well, I'm glad to accompany you on this journey
 
:19060400 exponentiation by n in constant time? write a paper son
 
Just y'know don't go bankrupt yourself
 
8:57 PM
@Xeo also, look to get some time of work, you don't need to be working under this stress.
 
and if I win €120m this weekend on the EuroMillions I'll buy the restaurant! and employ them!
 
the brewerey is way better off with a high-turnover business that trying to squeeze your familiy
 
Make an Ltd for bailing out your parents
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@CatPlusPlus that can get a bit sticky. but in principle it shouldn't be off the table
 
8:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit probably some bullshit preventing that :S
 
protip
go to an actual adviser
 
@thecoshman what, buying a restaurant?
 
rather than Lounge<ShittyAdvice>
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, buying their problem
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
We're expert business running people
 
8:58 PM
@nightcracker to be fair, all this advice has been pretty good
@thecoshman so, buying a failing restaurant?
 
Lol chat ate LRIO's message
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Great way to burn vacation days :(
 
don't see why the law should care
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit self certified :P
 
@CatPlusPlus lots ;( it's a fight atm
@thecoshman LRiO-certified
 
Xeo
8:59 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How would that work?
 
I've never seen a situation where it'd show an empty message box for a second
 
@Xeo talk to your boss, maybe get a few days that can be put down as 'stress related'
 

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