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5:00 PM
Make a Kickstarter and run away with the money
 
@Xeo would they be able to earn enough to cover for that in other ways?
 
@CatPlusPlus Best plan ever
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Those 25k (after paying back loan and debts) would be enough to cover the monthly differences, I think.
 
@Xeo Is October 2016 when the lease and/or contract expires?
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin The lease
 
5:02 PM
Convince the contractors that they'll lose less money if they let you back out of the deals
 
is this true though?
 
@CatPlusPlus ... at gunpoint!
 
It has to be convincing not true
:v
 
ugh seriously C++ constructors are a fucking cancer
 
Xeo
That lease is fucking cancer.
 
5:04 PM
that too
 
Xeo
k, so
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
Get a second opinion on that too
 
Xeo
If worst comes to worst, I guess taking the credit on myself would work out better than being a guarantor.
 
@Puppy code duplication reaching two-digit ratios
 
5:05 PM
what do constructors have to do with that?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Delegating ctor?
 
@Puppy I'm repeating shit in them duh
@Xeo doesn't help
 
It sucks that in my third party country only web developers are needed :(
 
neither does constructor inheritance before you say that
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see how "I'm repeating code" has anything to do with that code being in a constructor.
 
5:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what does your code look like?
 
@AndyProwl Shit
 
I saw that coming
 
I want reflection for autogeneration of constructors
 
@Xeo I believe the way most banks look at things is that if you get the loan directly (without anybody else to cosign for it) they look only at your income/expenses to figure out whether you qualify for the loan. If your parents apply and you cosign it, the bank basically looks at both their income/expenses and yours to decide whether you qualify. Under the circumstances, it sounds like there's a better chance for qualifying if you apply alone.
 
Xeo
Man, I fucking hate credits.
There's a reason why I paid for the renovations in one go
 
5:07 PM
I still don't see what being in a constructor has to do with it.
 
Xeo
Because I like being able to reason about the money on my bank account
 
One other point: if you get the loan and pay it back on time, it improves your credit rating.
 
Xeo
and not having to take into account the monthly rates
 
@Puppy probably the fact I am not using descriptor structs for initialization
and I use parameters like a fucking animal
 
how do I add a paypal donation option
 
5:08 PM
so what?
 
grawfh function parameters in C++ are such a fucking hack
 
@Xeo Most programmers seem to think that way (and save until they can afford things rather than buying them on credit).
 
@Puppy I have to specify them explicitely each time
 
I think you're just doing it incorrectly.
 
5:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like your constructor has 35 arguments
 
there is nothing specific about constructors.
 
@Puppy I think you're a butt
@AndyProwl 4 is enough to trigger that reaction
 
why don't you show some code and then it's vaguely possible for other people to offer more informed opinions
although any uninformedness would be strictly your own fault in this matter
 
CannyFeatureExtractorBase::CannyFeatureExtractorBase(
    int thresholdMin,
    int thresholdMax,
    int kernelSize
)
    : thresholdMin(thresholdMin)
    , thresholdMax(thresholdMax)
    , kernelSize(kernelSize) {
}

}

CannyFeatureExtractor::CannyFeatureExtractor(
    FaceNormalizer *normalizer,
    int thresholdMin,
    int thresholdMax,
    int kernelSize
)
    : FeatureExtractor(normalizer)
    , CannyFeatureExtractorBase(thresholdMin, thresholdMax, kernelSize)
{
}
 
@BartekBanachewicz I see. So the problem is in initializing member variables and having to explicitly write that in constructors for each member?
 
5:09 PM
ITT Bartek sucks at... function arguments!?
 
here
@AndyProwl yep
 
@JerryCoffin I like to think this is a better financial strategy :v
 
no logic involved
 
Commercial loans are expensive as fuck also
 
but I still write this hectolitres of code
It's like Java
I write lines and lines of code that do absolutely nothing
 
5:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Dude! Write SOLID code!
(Yes, I know)
 
meh
 
lol
 
just pass it as a variadic pack.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Iunno, it just seems like a stupid idea to do otherwise.
 
@CatPlusPlus So do I--before I was married, essentially the only things I'd bought no credit were my house and car.
 
Xeo
5:10 PM
Basically, with those 25k of loan, I'll have the 500eur/month rate for over 4 years.
And the thought alone is making me angry.
Because fuck credits.
 
It's like an extra rent.
 
@Puppy propose static reflection to the committee before I get completely insane
 
@BartekBanachewicz (btw if I can be a dick, FaceNormalizer *normalizer hurts my eyes)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes My rent is 400/month
 
@AndyProwl what about it? it's a pointer.
 
5:11 PM
@Xeo So, it's like an extra rent...
 
@BartekBanachewicz I haven't lost a second to those guys in years and I'm not starting now.
 
Xeo
It's worse, is what I'm trying to say.
 
@Xeo Well..man I think you should try to invest money into something that could give you some income. then depending on success you would probably wouldn't need to deal with debts :P
 
@Xeo It is mostly--but most people too impatient to wait until they can really afford things before they get them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I am used to place the * next to the type name
 
5:11 PM
An extra rent that essentially gets you no value back
 
@ProblemSolver Amazing.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Also, I don't have a credit card. And I don't think my account allows overcharging.
 
@AndyProwl ah that. I've gotten to the point where I don't really care I think.
 
@Xeo High five
 
wait that implies I ever really cared
 
5:12 PM
Also I recommend budgeting
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Put the normalizer as a nulled default argument at the end?!
 
@BartekBanachewicz heh, well I understand it's annoying to write boilerplate code, on the other hand I don't think it's such a waste of time in absolute terms
 
@Xeo I have both of those things and I wish I didn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes More details.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus ?
 
5:13 PM
@Xeo it's not a nulled default argument in the first case
 
I mean, your codebase is likely not going to be 90% constructors
 
@Xeo When I was single, I didn't either.
 
@Xeo Planning expenses forward!
 
Xeo
Oh
 
@Xeo He can also pass the other arguments as a variadic pack, which may be preferable.
 
Xeo
5:13 PM
Yeah, I should prolly do that
 
@AndyProwl nah, I know I'm just ranting pointlessly as always
 
Xeo
So far, I haven't fared too bad without
 
I used to do budgeting back when I was in Portugal.
 
@Xeo I always found it pretty easy, AAMOF.
 
Xeo
I am under 1k on my bank account this month, though
 
5:14 PM
class C {
constructor:
   int x;
   int y;
};
 
I haven't fared bad either, but I started saving money after being able to exactly see what I was spending money on and how much
 
Xeo
mainly due to moving shit from Berlin to here
damn 1.4k
 
Worked great, and I managed to live with a small income and save enough to bootstrap myself here in Berlin.
 
I would really like that though.
 
my principle problem was not having any income
I never had large outgoings
 
5:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I get the point but don't really like the syntax...
 
I could and should have worked a little more when I was well and first started university
 
I like YNAB
 
That looks like a label for goto
 
@AndyProwl [constructor] then?
@AndyProwl so does public: :P
 
5:14 PM
(evil reflink alert)
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Tony does too, he's playing it all the time!
 
But now I don't care anymore. My savings keep growing, so I'm fine.
 
@BartekBanachewicz true
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Foiled your plan, I just copied the first part
 
@Xeo lol
 
5:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz this forces the order in which you declare variables though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eh, it's not that much effort, and gives you much better insight into your finances
You should do it regardless!
 
Knowing I can live for over a year without a job and without changing lifestyle makes me too lazy for that.
 
@AndyProwl -Wreorder whistles
 
What if I don't want a variable to be initialized by a constructor (e.g. it has in-class initializer)?
 
@AndyProwl Meh invalid states
 
5:16 PM
Why invalid?
It's just initialized implicitly
with in-class initializer
 
> in-class initializer
 
hey, what happened to Chechzzz/eye-talian andy?
 
But I need to tell the compiler not to put a corresponding parameter in the constructor parameter list
 
He's here?
 
5:17 PM
Oh I think you mean something else than I thought
 
I'd like to thank someone who has just sent me an invitation to careers!
 
lol
 
@thecoshman no good things :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0 I thought that andy had just a mandala pattern?
 
5:18 PM
wtf is a mandala pattern
 
ok ok I'll google it
 
@AndyProwl A swastika.
 
oh
nope
 
5:19 PM
is that not what they are called?
 
"lolno" means "I'm laughing and shaking my head".
 
lol
 
Xeo
I could use some of that mead we're planning to consume on the weekend, now.
 
I googled it. I don't have any mandala patterns and I don't have any swastikas
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz implement it in clang as an extension and then you'll be fine :P
 
Xeo
5:20 PM
@AndyProwl He meant the auto-generated gravatar, I guess
 
Ell
or make it a preprocessor thing
 
@Xeo oh? how's it going?
 
@Xeo Is it safely stored in your bridge, by chance?
 
@Xeo yes I did realize that, with proper delay
 
FTR, they're called "identicons".
 
5:21 PM
Mandala (Sanskrit: मण्डल Maṇḍala, 'circle') is a spiritual and ritual symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, representing the Universe. The basic form of most mandalas is a square with four gates containing a circle with a center point. Each gate is in the general shape of a T. Mandalas often exhibit radial balance. The term is of Sanskrit origin. It appears in the Rig Veda as the name of the sections of the work, but is also used in other particularly Buddhism. In various spiritual traditions, mandalas may be employed for focusing attention of practitioners and adepts, as a spiritual guidance tool,...
plebs
 
user1804599
Nelson Mandala
 
@thecoshman Sometimes they looks like that, sometimes they looks like swastikas.
 
emoticons, identicons, icons, favicons, ...
fuck all the -cons
just call them drawings
 
user1804599
lolicons
 
Ell
what about pros & cons?
 
5:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes true :P
 
Ell
I guess it would be nice to forget the cons
 
user1804599
@Ell Fuck the cons.
 
Ell's is clearly a swastika.
 
user1804599
But cons is a nice and useful function!
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes but a hand made one!
 
5:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes well... his sort isn't liked in Berlin too much these days...
 
Xeo
39 mins ago, by Xeo
Got some more infos now.
Start there
@R.MartinhoFernandes What bridge?
 
Xeo
(And no, it's at my friend's place, since he's the one that ordered it.)
 
user1804599
If you place the beepers in a certain pattern you get Swastikarel the Robot.
 
That's a terrible typo.
 
5:23 PM
How do I make a paypal donation button on my About Me page
 
Can't really explain it with keyboard.
 
@Xeo no tl;dr?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman No
 
@Chantola first I'd suggest doing something worth a donation :)
 
Xeo
Well, actually
TL;DR: Situation fucked. (Also, fuck the lease.)
 
5:24 PM
@Xeo fine :P
 
user1804599
SNAFU
 
@AndyProwl dum dum DUM
 
What to eat
 
@AndyProwl check my about page
 
hard problems
 
5:26 PM
it got cold out of a sudden yesterday
 
I can't go to work without some warm blouse + jacket
 
> learn everything
 
on top of the usual tshirt
 
you sound almost like my crypto tutor
@AlexM. true
 
5:26 PM
@Chantola ok, what should I be looking at exactly?
 
Sometimes I think of putting such a button on my about page, but then I remember I don't want to.
 
time for my top hat!
 
my stackoverflow about page
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have too much money anyway
 
@Xeo re: guarantor. You do not pay a bean, until they stop paying, then it's YOUR problem.
 
5:27 PM
ok
 
Donation buttons means dealing with taxes
:effort:
 
updated my "about me"
@CatPlusPlus lolnope
 
@Chantola yes, and what should I focus on once I'm on your stackoverflow about page?
 
I just want to copy forms I get from company tia
 
@AndyProwl giving me money
@AndyProwl and lots of it
 
5:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lolyupe if you get continued donations they might be considered an income and also require you to register a company
 
@Chantola but for what reason?
 
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean "lolnope"? Yes, it does. FTR "fuck it" is also a strategy for dealing with taxes (whether it's a good one or not is another matter).
 
> continued donations
:D
Nah I know about it
 
I'm a thirteen year-old programmer taking college courses and textbooks are expensive! If you
would like to donate so I can continue learning and answering your questions on StackOverflow
is that a bad reason?
should I modify it>
 
Yes?
 
5:29 PM
I should prolly do the taxes on the cash from my code mentoring too
 
Yes :v
 
but seriously the amounts are so negligible
 
what would be a good reason?
 
@Chantola yes
 
and how do I include the paypal button?
 
5:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why evade taxes, then?
:P
 
@Chantola "I wrote this and this awesome contributions on Stack Overflow"
(just don't make it sound like that)
 
but you must have done something concrete
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because I don't even know where to start on telling them I made some money that way
 
How about don't solicit money if you're underage :derp:
 
5:30 PM
I recently nuked my about page down to two sentences.
 
Also it's gonna be on the next fiscal year so yeah
 
@AndyProwl I did nothing awesome on stackoverflow.
:P
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz that's a much better reason
 
@Chantola That's the point ;) Don't ask for money on StackOverflow then
 
user1804599
> 90 billion transactions per day
 
5:30 PM
@AndyProwl :(
 
user1804599
Wee that were another million. And another million. And another million.
 
Ell
I wish I earned enough to pay taxes :P
 
Esp that no intermediate allows underage people to even register let alone get money
 
If Bartek does it I deserve to do it too
 
What's the minimum SO age? 13 or 14?
 
5:31 PM
13
 
@Chantola by what right? I think I'm doing a little bit more on this site than you so far.
@R.MartinhoFernandes 13
 
It's COPPA shit, it's universal in US shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't tell me its 14... then im screwed
 
I need to expand my vocabulary
 
@BartekBanachewicz a tad
 
user1804599
5:31 PM
COPRA shit
 
@Chantola Why did you ask about multi-dimensional arrays? Do you have a specific problem? This question has an answer specifically about different flavors of multi-dimensional arrays:
 
user1804599
dat pun
 
235
Q: How do I use arrays in C++?

FredOverflowC++ inherited arrays from C where they are used virtually everywhere. C++ provides abstractions that are easier to use and less error-prone (std::vector<T> since C++98 and std::array<T, n> since C++11), so the need for arrays does not arise quite as often as it does in C. However, when you read l...

 
@Chantola why? also, no
 
@CatPlusPlus meh
 
5:32 PM
Ask your parents for money
 
@Chantola ITT Bartek sets a bad example.
:P
 
@FredOverflow cause I'm taking an oral recitation on wednesday for it.
at my college.
so I better be prepared.
 
In Bartek's case "Want me to keep posting quality stuff?" should be "Want me to stop posting?"
 
I hope "oral recitation" is a translation artifcat.
 
lol
 
5:33 PM
@Chantola Your colleague is going oral on you?
 
@FredOverflow he's 13
 
(Fuck it, "artifcat" is a translation artifact)
 
:artificat:
 
@FredOverflow ITT Fred innuendos a minor.
 
5:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
@Chantola there, I removed that dumb link.
 
Woah, you did?
WTF
 
Yeah, I did.
 
@thecoshman Btw, regardless of where, I'm getting us T-shirts next year.
 
A joke stops being a joke when it stops being funny.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah we really should have done that
 
5:35 PM
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, thought twas series.
 
@BartekBanachewicz meh, not that I love those links, but no reason to remove it in your case
 
Tax office is onto him
 
Honestly though it was taking the space of more important stuff.
Like actual "about me"
 
Ell
5:37 PM
screw taxes man
theft
 
#ell #fuckthepolice
 
There are no taxes over theft.
Stop complaining.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless you live in Ankh-Morpork
 
user1804599
There are taxies used for theft.
 
(Actually, the US taxes fraud)
 
5:38 PM
lol
 
Rapptz projects build that's unfair :(
 
are you fucking kidding me
JSONx - encode json as XML
10
 
@nightcracker I don't even.
 
5:39 PM
that's just disgusting :(
 
Coming up next: JSONxON.
 
corpocode in a nutshell
 
Oh god
thats terrible
 
would you prefer this?
 
JSONx encoded as JSOIN
 
5:40 PM
{
  "name":"John Smith",
  "address": {
    "streetAddress": "21 2nd Street",
    "city": "New York",
    "state": "NY",
    "postalCode": 10021,
  },
  "phoneNumbers": [
    "212 555-1111",
    "212 555-2222"
  ],
  "additionalInfo": null,
  "remote": false,
  "height": 62.4,
  "ficoScore": " > 640"
}
 
@nightcracker I like how they use "appliance".
 
> In the UK, it doesn't work like that. If I wanted to pay tax on the proceeds of my life of crime, there's nowhere on the tax form to declare it. Can anyoe shed any light on why this might be?
 
holy fuck
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahahhaahahahaha
 
kicks nightcracker for posting inappropriate messages
 
5:41 PM
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<json:object xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.datapower.com/schemas/json jsonx.xsd"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:json="http://www.ibm.com/xmlns/prod/2009/jsonx">
who the fuck
 
@nightcracker please delete this message
 
I don't even
 
fanks
 
I really hope this is a very distateful joke by IBM
 
Oct 19 '13 at 19:36, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Also, oops, my ex-roommate invited me to his flatwarming party, which is today 30 minutes ago.
Dunno why this page was open, but this made me laugh.
Until I realised it was my message.
 
5:43 PM
Message eaten again
 
I was like "Hahah, that is totally something I'd do. Oh wait."
 
you're funny
 
Help, I'm reading US immigration forms.
 
I've done that
 
> [ ] I can read and understand English, and I have read and understand each and every question and instruction on this form, as well as my answer to each question.
 
5:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes good for you
 
TVTropes hasn't been mentioned in a while
Thought I'd mention it, for posterity.
 
> Do you plan to practice polygamy in the United States?
2
That's in the Green Card application form.
> Have you EVER left the United States to avoid being drafted into the U.S. Armed Forces?
That too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lol
 
i thought you had to be a citizen to be drafted?
 
Wait, that last thing would imply you can be drafted without being a US citizen?!
that makes no sense
 
5:50 PM
Don't you lose citizenship if you desert or something?
Maybe they're hinting at that?
 
@TonyTheLion For people who were US citizens, left to avoid the draft, renounced their US citizenship, and (eventually) decided to return to the US.
 
> Do you intend to engage in the United States in:
a. Espionage?
 
@JerryCoffin oh I see
 
> Yes! I'm the best spy around.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's really an IQ test in disguise: "Are you stupid enough to give the obviously wrong answer to any of the following questions?"
 
5:52 PM
that question is just pointless lol
also, am I the only one thinking that it's pretty repressed that polygamy is illegal in many western countries?
 
> NOTE: USCIS requires you to complete the categories below to conduct background checks. (See Form N-400 Instructions for more information)
(...)
3. Ethnicity
[ ] Hispanic or Latino [ ] Not Hispanic or Latino
Wat
Those are the only options.
(Naturalization form now, not Green Card)
 
they don't even disguise the racism lol
 
What the fuck.
 
4. Skin color
 
It's the US what do you expect...
 
5:54 PM
[ ] Black [ ] Not Black
 
Here in Canada the unemployment forms are pretty racist my brother has told me, they assume it's only for coloured people...
 
How the hell do they assume that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's a form invariant
 
For what kind of questions does that matter?
 
I don't even know but i remember my brother telling me.
 
5:56 PM
Ah the classic third-hand information source
known for it's reliability
 
@nightcracker Not entirely pointless. The point is to have one more crime to charge you with if they find something suspicious. In a lot of cases, if you're charged with (say) half a dozen crimes, and the evidence isn't somewhat (but not entirely) convincing, the jury will find you guilty of one relatively minor crime.
 
> 14. Were you ever involved in any way with any of the following:
A. Genocide?
Ow.
 
@JerryCoffin I find the entire summation of crimes system in the USA disgusting and immoral
 
wow, how's that a question
 
@Toppest.Of.Kek well, if you were ever involved in the mass murdering of an ethnic group, then you should answer yes
 
5:58 PM
@nightcracker Yea I know, I just find it strange to be a question...
 
> Blizzard cancels its next-gen MMO Titan after seven years polygon.com/2014/9/23/6833953/…
lol
 
@Toppest.Of.Kek false
 
FWIW, the other parts of the question range from killing someone to preventing them from practicing their religion.
 

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