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8:00 PM
I'm still waiting for @DaveRandom to do my awesome Code Intel on github idea :)
 
An Awaitable is just a promise but with only one callback and an associated task, really.
 
hahahahaha
 
@rdlowrey you can never forget your time in that boyband now, we'll never let you
I should write my own PHP interpreter in PHP
Like PHPPHP but written by me
Or, or, I could write something useful
 
@AndreaFaulds feel free to work on actual PHPPHP
or just wait a little while for my next project to be released :-D
 
8:10 PM
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@ircmaxell PHP JIT in PHP?
 
Bad shoop was bad, star this one for great justice!
 
shhh
 
@AndreaFaulds something to do with PHP. And speed.
 
@ircmaxell PHP minifier?
ducks
 
8:11 PM
get her !!!
 
@AndreaFaulds yup
 
@ircmaxell wait what
PHP-to-PHP transpiler?
 
@AndreaFaulds well, there is a PHP backend for it (to generate PHP code out the back)
 
@rdlowrey We know your secret.
 
JS to PHP compiler? :P
 
8:12 PM
@AndreaFaulds Isn't that already Haxe?
 
@DanLugg Haxe can't compile from JS, though?
 
Oh, I dunno, I thought it could go from any to IR to another
Or I might be getting it confused with something else.
 
@ircmaxell LLVM PHP backend?
 
wait and see
 
8:15 PM
@AndreaFaulds you're only going to get cryptic answers ...
do the wait and see thing ...
 
Oh I know, does it replace all PHP files in a project with empty files? That would make PHP fast...
 
composer is on that one I think ...
 
Anyone heard of aws.amazon.com/kinesis ?
 
> at any scale
marketing speak ...
I saw an article where zend were calling something "unlimited" today too ... must be something in the air ...
wtf is wrong with me, been awake for an hour, having slept all of last night and today .. and already yawning ....
 
8:19 PM
Overtired.
 
@JoeWatkins Isn't yawning just your body trying to absorb more oxygen? Go for a brisk walk.
 
@Jimbo , I finally read that question of yours. Am I correct in thinking that what you are interacting with is actually a REST-ish API?
 
Do some squats
 
@Fabien that would only deplete the oxygen even more
 
I only meant like 10
 
8:23 PM
I fail to see how the number would make a difference
 
Gets heart rate up pumping more oxygen round your system
 
heart does not produce the oxygen .. I am trying to make you see the mistake in your assumption
 
it's an aerobic level. You'd take in more oxygen as a correlation by causation.
 
I give up
 
Well as a slight clarification I was advising more on the basis of his being tired than yawning.
 
8:33 PM
When you're tired your oxygen intake (inhalation volume) is typically limited IIRC. An increase of activity forces your body to respire at a normal rate/volume.
 
@Fabien depends on the cause of the hypoxia. If it's volumetric or due to reduced oxygenation of red blood cells, then increasing heart rate will increase overall perfusion. If it's for other reasons, it will decrease perfusion since you're using more oxygen to actually increase the heart rate
 
Or hypoventilate, I suppose.
 
hi
hi every one
 
But... squats are awesome :(
 
is there anyway to get an email address associated with the fax number using that fax number
?
 
8:41 PM
False assumption: all fax numbers have an accompanying email address.
 
@humphrey Google search the fax number, find an associated voice line, call it and ask for the email.
 
MySQL_* Functions are depricated because?
 
@MikeM. Because I got 99 problems and mysql_* ain't one.
 
No just seriously.
 
I do not know but there is this fax to email . I wanted to do a code where by if I put a fax number in the text box , then I get that email address
 
8:44 PM
@MikeM. Because everyone should have switched to mysqli and PDO when they were introduced over a decade ago and only now is the language enforcing this.
 
why is it depricated from PHP
some people saying it's SQL Injection Vulnerable the other says it's not it has the same security it's just how you use it...
 
@MikeM. Don't worry about why, just don't use them any more and use PDO with prepared statements instead.
 
@MikeM. It's easy to misuse anything. It's just easier to misuse some things.
 
@MikeM. because mysql_ apis are crap, and haven't gotten newer features in over a decade, so they are being removed for the better APIs that exist
@MikeM. and no, it's not vulnerable to SQL Injection any more than PDO is...
 
Oki thanks
 
8:46 PM
@ircmaxell Well, it doesn't really provide user-friendly facilities to mitigate it...
 
@DanLugg oh no doubt, but it's not vulnerable... But there are better APIs
 
True.
 
ThW
Hi
 
that's actually a good sign
 
8:53 PM
Ignoring FIG is nice.
 
ening
Pierre is trolling again, I see
 
@NikiC what did I miss?
 
look at the 64 bit thread
 
I don't consider that trolling
> Why should we follow different rules than other RFCs? Bigint is a work in progress, there is no vote, there is not even a discussion on this list about it. Asking us to hang on again for yet another rfc is really not something I can live with.
 
@ircmaxell I consider "After waiting a few months to merge this, we cannot wait even a single day to discuss naming issues, we must merge this right away!!!!"
@ircmaxell Nobody is asking that of them
 
8:56 PM
@NikiC Oh, waiting a day is definitely much (meaning that not being able to wait is insane)
 
was the PSR6 the one about service locators ?
 
@tereško Caching, apparently.
 
oh ... seems like that I care about it even less
 
I mean, I totally get that Pierre is pissed, but that's no excuse to precipitate a valid discussion point (that was already quite controversial in the past)
 
@NikiC your argument is the first sane one in that thread though. The rest have been either "I don't like it" or "it makes my wip less pretty"
yours is actually a reason not to do it that isn't biased
 
8:59 PM
@ircmaxell I think (though I probably need to write it down to make my thoughts clear) that the fig guys keep confusing "making things interoperable" with "this is the one true way of doing things everywhere". The caching PSR in particular seem to be skipping making stuff be usable between different libraries nicely, with trying to make a perfect solution for all projects
 
(Not sure if "precipitate" was the right word there... what does that even mean?)
 
@NikiC it's not the right word, precipitate means "to make fall out of", but the point you're making is clear
 
/me lets out tiny w00t ... /cc @ircmaxell
 
@JoeWatkins ?
 
@ircmaxell What would be a good word?
 
9:01 PM
@ircmaxell "piss" being slang for "precipitate" ;-) -- "[...] no excuse to piss on a valid discussion point [...]"
 
Number of tests :   34                34
Tests skipped   :    0 (  0.0%) --------
Tests warned    :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Tests failed    :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Expected fail   :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Tests passed    :   34 (100.0%) (100.0%)
 
@NikiC ignore?
berate?
berate may be appropriate
@JoeWatkins Which test was added?
 
array stuff
 
oh yeah?
awesome sauce!
 
will commit shortly ...
 
9:04 PM
wait, my build has 36 tests...
 
@NikiC I think the word you wanted is "perpetuate"
 
Number of tests :   36                36
Tests skipped   :    0 (  0.0%) --------
Tests warned    :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Tests failed    :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Expected fail   :    0 (  0.0%) (  0.0%)
Tests passed    :   36 (100.0%) (100.0%)
@LeviMorrison opposite. Pierre is trying to shut down conversation, rather than actually discuss it
 
@LeviMorrison nah, that doesn't fit there
 
Something meaning continue talking in a negative sense?
 
However "perpetuate" is a good word to describe most other internals discussions :D
 
9:05 PM
slander perhaps?
 
:-)
 
I just skimmed the discussion and missed the context :D
"stagnate"
 
@Fabien trying to stop continuation of talking
 
prolong?
 
"hinder"
 
9:06 PM
hinder is the right word, but not aggressive enough
 
object
 
suppress?
 
refute
 
$dict[array_rand($dict)] (Also: array_rand usage is clumsy)
 
contest ?
 
user895378
9:10 PM
obstruct?
 
wtf, php doesn't link anymore
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
That's a damn useful error message
 
lol
 
define: Impede
 
Room 11 is a natural thesaurus.
 
seriously, wtf
 
9:16 PM
== English == === Etymology === From Latin impedire (“to shackle”), from pes (“foot”) (compare pedestrian). First attested use as a verb was in William Shakespeare's Macbeth. === Verb === impede (third-person singular simple present impedes, present participle impeding, simple past and past participle impeded) to get in the way of; to hinder ==== Synonyms ==== See also Wikisaurus:hinder ==== Antonyms ==== assist, help expede (obsolete) expedite ==== Related terms ==== expede, expedite impediment ===== Translations ===== == Portuguese == === Verb === impede third-person sing...
 
seriously, wtf is this
I am repeating myself
 
no error message further up the output?
 
Why would the linker suddenly just stop working, without throwing any errors?
I already did a make clean
 
try vcsclean && builconf? Perhaps a makefile is corrupted?
 
just did a buildconf --force and rebuilding...
okay, now it works
probably was as you said
 
9:23 PM
I think I want to check out C++ again
especially seeing some of the stuff coming in C++14
 
I don't, C++ is just this heap of stuff and they keep adding stuff.
 
mornings
 
@DaveRandom morning
 
@NullPoiиteя Hey man, long time no see :-)
How you doing?
 
i am good ... how are you ?
 
9:32 PM
@Fabien ?
@NullPoiиteя Not bad, just plodding along, life n stuff
 
i got some projects so working on them :)
 
@DanLugg I actually lol'd
@NullPoiиteя Are you gainfully employed atm?
 
@DaveRandom i don't want to work as a employee so working on contract base (i am the boss :D) and it will get me some money
 
From what people tell me, working for a company in your area of the world sucks both for you and the customer anyway (as a dev)
 
i work for my lots of uncle (also developer). they give me work ...idk how and from where they got work :) but they pay me good
 
9:44 PM
@NullPoiиteя Have you looked at remote freelancing for western companies? I have a friend who does a lot of remote freelancing, does pretty well out of it and he lives in the UK where everything costs (relatively) a lot
 
@DaveRandom evening
 
@AndreaFaulds UGT or gtfo
:-P
 
@DaveRandom yet i haven't ... since i also do some other business .....but thinking to try after 5-6 months
 
Well if you have enough work and money then there's no reason to I suppose
> The patch breaks one test on 32-bit Linux: ext/date... and I stopped listening
 
user895378
@DaveRandom dang, zero tolerance ;)
 
user895378
9:51 PM
Yeah, when I see ext/date my eyes glaze over and I start thinking about something else.
 
Yeh that wasn't supposed to be quite as aggressive as it reads, in retrospect
 
@rdlowrey The next song for your boy band group?
 
@DaveRandom i easily earn 400 pound/month by working 3-4hours/day... and i dont even spend 100 ponds ....xD
 
i.stack.imgur.com/rcITW.jpg is one of the funniest things I have ever seen in this room
 
user895378
♫ Baby I can't concentrate / You got me hypnotized / Just like Derrick's ext/date ♫
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9:53 PM
instastar
@NullPoiиteя This is annoying, since I could spend £400 in a night if I tried
I have definitely spent £300 in a night before
Don't get me wrong, it was a good night...
 
user895378
@DaveRandom lol how did I not see that!?!
 
@DanLugg strikes again
 
E_INSUFFICIENT_ORANGE
 
Turn down the blue in your colour balance, it'll be fine
Or change the clock so f.lux makes your screen orange-er
 
9:57 PM
night guys its now 3.27AM here .... later :)
 
user895378
@NullPoiиteя later
 
They really need to to pull their finger out for Android
@NullPoiиteя nite
 
@DaveRandom I'm already at 2500k - not sure I can get much oranger
 
user895378
Said @rdlowrey's spray-tan technician.
 
user895378
Now I'm making jokes about myself that aren't even true because I'm pasty.
 
10:00 PM
To the Mexicomobile!
 
@tereško Yep, but unfortunately it's not a standard api, and requires different information for the same endpoint
I'm trying to provide a nice interface for talking to this
 
I would go out and get some sun, but it seems that winter has come early to England - bbc.co.uk/weather/2654675
 
@DaveRandom Oh no, people are enforcing it runs
 
gonna go sleep, before tomorrow comes ... today was a failure ... nite chaps ...
 
goodnight @JoeWatkins
 
10:04 PM
@Danack You call that winter? I don't see a single negative value anywhere on it
That's just the UK standard perpetual autumn
 
@Danack Yea, I failed on the orange.
 
Most of my SO rep is from wrong answers
:P
 
@ircmaxell I committed but still failures ... I can't stay awake ... I'll have another go tomorrow ...
 
@JoeWatkins Think of it as differently successful
 
@DaveRandom Can you use your glorious room ownership to unstar the shitty shoop (the one with 4 stars)
 
10:11 PM
Apparently not without accidentally closing Chrome first, but yes
 
@DaveRandom lol, thank you kind sir.
 
@Danack And not just to England ;)
 
@TomášAresakMalčánek Can't tell if understands
 
♫ ...and I think it's going to be a long, long time / 'til touchdown brings me round again to find / I'm not the man they think I am at home, oh no no no / I'm a rocket man / rocket man / burnin' on a fuse out there alone ♫
@DanLugg lol
 
10:16 PM
@DanLugg he basically is "sleepy". So his eyes are almost closed of tiredness
I guess...
 
I will now apply my face firmly to my palm.
 
StackOverflow is all about guessing what the OP really meant :D
 
> If anyone wants to tell me what's going on here, I'll be in the lounge
I seem to have ended up creating a huge playlist of almost exclusively Elton John
There's a possibility I have had too much wine
 
Send some this way, I'm getting parched.
 
Or did you mean wine?
:-P
 
10:21 PM
I dunno, I'll try getting drunk on Elton John.
He ferments, right?
 
Like a fine wine.
I think I'm going to name this playlist "80's/Gay Club"
 
@DaveRandom what's this image?
 
good friday morning :)
 
Because that face somehow looks like @rdlowrey …
 
10:33 PM
 
oh.
oops
 
@bwoebi hey, have time for a quick php-src qn? :D
 
just ask.
 
Does this patch seem sane to you? I'm getting the feeling that I should also Z_UNSET_ISREF_P there.
It aims to fix this behaviour in <= 5.6
 
@Ja͢ck Hey, did debug_zval_dump() become useful again?
 
10:42 PM
Or, now that I think of, use INIT_ZVAL macro.
@DaveRandom Did it? Meh, it's there, it's being used but I hardly rely on it.
 
Although what I really want is var_get_refcount()
 
Yeah, but that won't be accurate I believe.
not sure, there's always this thing about "the refcount is one higher than it really is, except xyz cases"
 
What are the xyz cases?
 
Exactly.
 
To me it would take the var by ref and return zval->refcount - 1
 
10:44 PM
After your change, run the test through valgrind
 
PHP sucks.
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I was going to do that actually :)
Other precedents explicitly set ref count -> 1 and is_ref -> 0.
 
I'm pretty sure that the code is the way it is due to some obscure issue with __toString and stack zvals being added to the gc buffer
 
1 message moved from Lounge<C++>
 
much obliged :) @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
10:46 PM
whistles
 
@Ja͢ck for copying, you can use either MAKE_ZVAL_COPY or ZVAL_ZVAL
 
nothing to see here
 
Also, I finally had my victory over bison
I ended up giving in and adding a type annotation for every single nonterminal
 
@NikiC are you wearing its hide now? :)
 
nope
but I do have a parse exception now. one that doesn't leak
with that in, someone can write the ast ext
 
10:48 PM
@NikiC Isn't MAKE_COPY_ZVAL for when you're working with heap allocated zval * ?
 
@Ja͢ck ah sorry, ignore me ;)
for stack alloc'd you don't use the refcount/isref at all
so no need to init it, maybe?
wait, no, don't ignore me after all
 
@NikiC Yeah, wasn't 100% sure on that and my earlier mentioned fix works fine on my system ...
 
MAKE_COPY_ZVAL / ZVAL_ZVAL should work fine without heap allocation as well, right?
 
I suppose so ... going through the macros now
Yeah, that does seem it could work .. trying now.
Seems to be work as expected ... running valgrind just to be sure.
Valgrind shows so many issues with tsrm_realpath_r, not sure why =/ ... but otherwise it's a cleaner code than I had before :D
Thanks @NikiC ^^
 
and apart from that no other valgrind warnings?
did you run with USE_ZEND_ALLOC=0 ?
 
10:58 PM
Oh wait .. nope, it's wrong =/
Yeah, I run with zend allocator off .. but i'm on darwin, so there are no real guarantees :)
There's a problem with zval_dtor() later on in that function.
 
11:11 PM
Actually .. for some reason the results only blow up when you run it with valgrind =S
 
switch case with multiple cases on the invalid values is a bad idea. clang wants to optimize it with a jump if above 5 (the invalid values all being higher than 5) first and then only compare for the other cases where only one case is...
 
11:29 PM
@Ja͢ck that's what I expected
43 mins ago, by NikiC
I'm pretty sure that the code is the way it is due to some obscure issue with __toString and stack zvals being added to the gc buffer
Basically: EG(This) is expected to be an allocated, GCable zval
Which is why using a stack-allocated zval with convert_to_string is invalid, if the zval can be an object
Glad that viper pit is fixed in ng...
 
Hmm I see.
So, should I just leave it like this for 5.6?
 
yup
 
gladly :D
Then I'll just fix the test case for master and be done with it.
Oh, somebody did that already .. even better.
 
it should already be fixed
 
:)
 
11:37 PM
:-)
 
Interestingly, the output is doubled when running inside the test case but single when run separately :)
ehh nvm
didn't realise the debug_zval_dump() call was slightly changed as well ...
Down to 7 failing test cases, yeah!
 
Wtf is clang doing here. Is that usual, that clang switches code like this:

if (Z_TYPE_P(arg) == IS_DOUBLE) {
// ..
} else if (Z_TYPE_P(arg) == IS_LONG) {
// ..
}

to

if (Z_TYPE_P(arg) == IS_LONG) {
// ..
} else if (Z_TYPE_P(arg) == IS_DOUBLE) {
// ..
}
 
lol
 
(With -O2)
I have no idea what's happening here, just observing this in llvm_gcc -S here…
 
Maybe it likes to compare with values that are multiples of 2 first?
 
11:52 PM
no idea.
 
I guess if you put EXPECTED() around it, it will stay in place?
 
@bwoebi yes. It attempts to optimize branch prediction
 
@ircmaxell at which it totally failed…
 
did it?
 
or did it? ;-)
 
11:53 PM
@Ja͢ck maybe, I wanted to try that, but I really wondered.
 
why is the order important to you, though?
 
@ircmaxell jup. Just working on my version of fast_zpp. We expect a double, but clang puts the long-branch before the double-branch.
 
there are multiple things at play. It could be trying to optimize for branch prediction. Or perhaps something special about the source ordering of the IR will allow it to represent the flows using fewer jumps or better cache usage
@bwoebi it does in source representation. But did you try disassembling the compiled version to see how it was layed out?
 
definitely not something special, both branches just contain two instructions.
 
compilers and optimizers are a ton of heuristics. It may not seem special to you, but you don't know which algorithms it hit
and I don't even know if the source compiled output respects ordering (it may only be the IR that does)
 
11:57 PM
… and EXPECTED() helped nothing… mhm.
 
heehee
@bwoebi #if (defined (__GNUC__) && __GNUC__ > 2 ) && !defined(DARWIN) && !defined(__hpux) && !defined(_AIX)
But I suppose you had checked that already.
 

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