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16:00
@Shahzaib dude wheres my car
user47589
hehe
@Amy it is a picture of a booth at some convention that says "Cloud Over IP (CoIP)"
I would be more impressed if it was CoIPoAC
16:00
because I have just stored 86000001 in the cell
Also don't google Chuck Tingle at work.
Cloud Over Internet Tunneling UDP Services
You still have to purchase a car, duh
c-o-i-t oh I get it!
@Shahzaib my friend I have no idea what your trying to do..... its either a value or alot of chars / digits
user47589
16:01
Nope! Not Chuck Testa!
I want to store a biginteger a=86001 in a cell
thats it
biginteger is a sql server term no?
16:03
excel?
Yes I do, thanks.
@Ggalla1779 no
I had to use it to calculate mod so I would say No
ok so..forgive me if I have this wrong your trying to use a c# big integer push this into a excel cell that can only hold -32k to +32k
excel uses shorts?
16:05
Too cold for shorts these days
user47589
excel can hold huge values in cells.
user47589
hyuuuge
yuuuuuuge values.
Excel has the best values
@Amy Yes, Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugeee
Like, your-mum levels of huge.
16:06
@Ggalla1779 yes
guys, so I want to get better at .NET stuff
@KalaJ code harder!
@Squiggle s/your/kendall's
I'm looking at the code base right now and there are several Tasks or Async actions in the controller
user47589
you need to level up
16:06
which is pretty cool but I've never done MVC like that before
Once you get a bunch of experience you can unlock new achievements
You need XP
Any advice or side project idea to work with ASync actions for MVC?
Go down to the sewers to kill rats, then spend your XP on .Net.
4
There are tasks everywhere!
16:06
i honestly think if you want to be better at .net you should stop doing .net
what mish?
never!
I love .NET too much!
You'll need to downgrade your OS
8
Q: How to show long numbers in Excel?

GoldI have to build a C# program that makes CSV files and puts long numbers (as string in my program). The problem is, when I open this CSV file in Excel the numbers appear like this: 1234E+ or 1234560000000 (the end of the number is 0) How I retain the formatting of the numbers? If I open the fi...

user47589
there's some truth to that. knowledge of other languages can help you be a better programmer
inb4 Kendall says "learn Haskell"
I know... I might doo some bleh python bleh on my free time
Haskell.
but I want to do well in my current job
user47589
Python is a fine language.
16:07
Learn Haskell. It's fun and easy.
Python taught me a lot.
Oh Haskell sounds cool
@KalaJ you could play around with Iron Python. At least that's still .NET
yeah I want to functional like F# or Haskell
lol I dont get python
using idents as semi colons
16:08
"Iron Haskell" sounds like a Marvel super hero.
what is going on
Indents are not semicolons..
user47589
Even bad languages can help you be a better programmer, because you learn how to not do things.
@misha130 you don't get python unless you got buns, hun
actually, time for me to ask noob question
16:08
Did you understand my question?
I aint got the buns for it
@MikeEdenfield I'd go watch.
Batpython vs. SuperHaskell
why do we need to use async actions on a Web page?
I thought that's what ajax was for?
I feel the need to defend Python on my wife's behalf so GAIZ PYTHON IS SUPER GRATE AND DOES ALL THE THINGS
user47589
16:09
async is server-side
@Shahzaib yes you have a truck you want to fit in a model car parking space
@KalaJ because scaling
@KalaJ ajax is asynchronous on the client, but the server thread still blocks while the action method is doing I/O or whatever
What exactly needs to be async on the server side... I mean from a web standpoint. Just want to look at the bigger and smaller picture
example wise
everything not cpu-bound would benefit from async
16:10
If I want to get records from db, that needs to be async?
e.g. querying the database
its not so much as async but more of a processing thing
am off have good weekend guys
async on the server side allows you to have more active worker threads at once.
since much of the time is probably spent waiting for DB or file access.
user47589
it doesn't need to be async, @KalaJ, but it can be
16:10
and more requests in parallel w/o exhausting your RAM like a motherfucker
I did also notice for the first time ever that Visual Studio is slow on my machine :S
I think it's because I'm working on a huge project now
B L O A T E D
Is it normally slow to build the project?
Hah, that's because you're a newbie. Visual Studio is always slow on my machine.
last job, I never had a project so big that it would take a while for VS to load and build
16:11
@Ggalla1779 No, I have a value that is 86001 stored in a variable whose datatype is big integer and I need to store that variable in excel... simple
@KalaJ I could go for coffee and builds are still not done
wow really?
@KalaJ depends what you're building. Talk a look at NopCommerce project source.
user47589
@RoelvanUden are you counting unit testing time in that?
16:12
hmm that's why I want to stay at current job. Never done web services before, async actions
user47589
i've worked with Nop. its hyuuge
@RoelvanUden did you forget to push the 'overclock' button to force your machine up to 66MHz?
this is really cool stuff I never did before
user47589
hahaha i remember those overclock buttons
@Squiggle ~_~
16:12
What is nop?
user47589
NopCommerce
@Amy nop is scary
Why should I look at it? lol
@Squiggle I used to be a C# programmer like you, then I took a Ruby to the knee.
We use Code Contracts. So when I pull out a new version of some software I need to talk to the API of, it will do a fresh compile with at least +2s per code contract anaysis/module. With ~30 modules. Not counting the normal build times. Sooooo slow.
16:13
turbo buttons you mean
@KalaJ if you want nightmares
user47589
i use Code Contracts
user47589
The static analyzer can take a long time.
It's okay when the cache is primed but if it's not.. good god.
user47589
It helps to use the SQL cache.
16:14
@KalaJ or if you want to see an example of a project where there's no chance you can conceptually hold all of it in your head at once
user47589
yeah
Btw my job is hiring Android Developer
Anyway look at the time guys. It's fuck-this-shit-o'-clock. Later!
but mostly probably Xamarin in C#
It's in NYC but you can work remotely
Anyone want in?
user47589
you can't leave @RoelvanUden!
16:15
I get a referral bonus lol
user47589
i won't let you!
I'll be back. I don't have a life anyway. Later!
user47589
How do you kill that which has no life?
what is code contract?
:S
user47589
!!google code contracts
Also for the first time, I get a free resharper license from company
but I have no idea what to do with resharper LOL
@KalaJ the refactor menu is good
and the test runner is much faster than mstest
But in general ReSharper is good for wasting RAM and CPU and that's it
@KalaJ See if you can make working software with just your arrow keys and "alt+enter"
but thats just like opinions
16:18
I'm an R# fanboy, the refactorings are just too good
user47589
i use resharper mostly for code generation and navigation. its fantastic.
oh yeah and the nav
user47589
CTRL-T
so I should just google shortcuts
and learn them
"oh oops, this VM property can now change and needs to implement INPC... and it was readonly before..." np, resharper got your back - alt+enter -> "To property with change notification"
that's seriously it
switch sides of ==? yeah, alt+enter
user47589
16:20
ALT-INS, ALT-BACKTICK too
is PEX still a thing?
user47589
yes, we have PEX tubing in our house.
pushing 30+ members down into another class? Yeah, that'd be a long, error-prone thing in non-R# land, but there are some buttons you can push for that in R#.
It makes refactoring so much cheaper and safer it's ridiculous.
user47589
yea
I'm sure it's saved my company a disgusting amount of time and money since I ponied up and bought a license
user47589
16:21
ponies?
the best ponies
user47589
yay
eventually they'll release c# ide
might aswell switch completly to it
@misha130 I'm tied to VS for many other reasons
but i'm still excited to try it
webstorm is nice though
16:23
VSCode!
So Visual Studio crashes and restarts sometimes when attempting to move control-flow arrows in SSIS. Any thoughts? My googling is going nowhere fast
@Codeman do you work with VS dev builds often? how close is it to feature parity with 2015 + R#?
@mikeTheLiar using vs2008?
Nah, 2012. We upgraded from 2008 about six months ago
never seen that, my guess is the solution or project file in vs2008 ssis package the brought something vs2012 don't like but don't know how to deal with
i would try recreate a new ssis project, and recopy all those elements in package into the new project
16:28
Ugh. No me gusta. Can I just stop using SSIS instead?
of course, as long as paystub doesn't complain
Hmm. Stop using SSIS or stop receiving a paycheck. Decisions, decisions.
Frankly a compelling argument could be made for both sides.
think about bright part, at least it's not dts
i got like 50 dts packages in our legacy datawarehouse that i have no idea how to deal with
@tweray the flames will cleanse
user47589
use one of those bomb robots.
user47589
16:32
that way you can use dts from a safe distance, behind a blast shield.
when it's on dev, it's not yours anymore
user47589
It belongs to the cloud.
All hail The Cloud
[makes hand gesture]
Guys, I'm writing up rejection for other company. Here's what I wrote, should I send it or revise it? pastebin.com/5GvcxNyJ
user47589
16:38
"I would have really loved to accept this offer but I accepted another offer."
no
why?
user47589
just say you've accepted another offer
but that part shows interest in the future
user5981182
add "U mad ?" before your signature
^
can confirm good choice
user47589
16:39
Then say you appreciate the offer and the opportunity it represents, but you have opted to accept another offer.
lol guys
user47589
"I would have really loved to" just sounds weird and unprofessional.
Thanks Amy, I'm revising it
posted on March 04, 2016 by ericlippert

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user47589
I worship at the altar of Eric Lippert.
16:41
trust me, nobody is going to read that letter, it's nothing but some HR record, just like your 2 week notice
haha, I wanted to keep the connection, just in case
things go weird here
Yeah, you're worrying about their feelings too much
current company is relatively new startup
21 ppl here
Remember, HR people don't have feelings. Or souls.
haha
16:43
@mikeTheLiar HR would say the same thing about developers, but here we are
I offered the connection on linkedin anyway
@Sippy sorry i went to a meeting for like 2 hours
lol
@Jeremy nah, they'd probably say we lack social awareness or are all autistic or something. Which, to be fair....
"you're not the average developer! you're actually pretty good at understanding people, and that makes you unique!"
wonder how many other developers have heard that before
maybe it's time to acknowledge that we don't actually suck at social shit as a general rule
user47589
I don't have a soul.
16:44
@Jeremy we just hate talking to stupid people
@Amy are you ginger?
user47589
i have brown hair, so not likely.
@TomW oh, well i don't mind that. it's ok tom, you can be our token developer that still sucks at social shit. ;)
@TomW god, you can't just go around asking people if they're a ginger
okay Amy I sent it :O
16:45
My social awareness is fine, I'm just a caustic individual.
You people aren't usually that sharp at turning a snark back on someone. GG.
I am a ~nice guy~ that rly likes ~people~
officially staying at the lower paying job
YOU people???
fml
16:46
@SteveG Tom hates americans :<
@SteveG you know, you people. Developers.
you people human
oh god
urgh please stop Drumpfing
16:47
his face embarrasses me
makes me embarrassed for our country
It's a shame Rubio won't be the nominee. It really would've improved human/cyborg relations in this country.
we should stahp this
@Jeremy honestly on a serious note, someone who says things like that should take a look in the mirror
@mikeTheLiar lol
16:48
we already got like 30 or 40 trump photo streak days
@TomW what do you mean?
i'd rather have a turd you find in an unflushed taco bell toilet be president over donald
Please don't use the words 'Trump' and 'streak' in the same sentence
pucker up for Trump
Would somebody please fucking ban Jeremy already?
user5981182
16:49
You should photoshop this one and add a spaghetti to it
@mikeTheLiar what? why?
are Trump pictures really that hated or what
@Jeremy well, it's lazy stereotyping that's inconsiderate of a person's feelings. The sort of thing that someone 'not very good with people' would say
1 message moved to Trash can
that felt good.
@TomW it was said in confidence i guess
privately
16:50
@Jeremy comedic hyperbole. I guess you're not good with social cues.
@mikeTheLiar nope :<
what is this, pick on jeremy day, what happened
lol
sarcasm is hard on the internet
@Jeremy I don't think that makes it any better. But 'non-developers' do say shit like that, as though they're the 'normal' people
@SteveG people don't like it when i beat on the trump drum
16:51
sarcastic comment
user47589
developers are normal. its everyone else who's weird as shit
@Jeremy people can't be getting this pissy just because you're picking on trump lol
@Amy hey! I resent that!
@Amy exactly!
19 hours ago, by Sippy
You're a weird guy mike.
16:52
no one can stomp the trump guys
stop attempting
I know some really normal people, and they only write SQL and some PowerShell scripts.
of course trump won't win
@Jeremy Missing dimensions, huh
json missing dimensions?
16:53
weird
but ok
user47589
All I need is 4 dimensions, any extras are weird.
all jokes aside trumps gonna win
Washington Post has some Weirdass Hosting Model (TM)
4 dimensions is pretty normal
16:54
trump has the support of 1/3 of the republican party which is itself 1/3 of the voting population, he has nothing
who has the rest of the support
rubio, cruz, that ohio guy with the hard to spell name
and how do republicans ever get elected with 1/3
1/3 is dems, the other 1/3 is independents
@TomW I don't know, I usually try not to have opinions like these where I can afford it, so I don't know what courtesy is. But I know a lot of people will say things like this among friends, and in this case, it was something intended to make me feel good. My reaction is (and was) somewhat the same as yours. I'm sorry this seems to have struck a nerve.
16:56
@SteveG You're telling me 33% of Americans vote for independents?
daily reminder that trump's 33% of all votes is the measurement of the populations stupidity
@KendallFrey no, 1/3 of americans claim to be independent, which means they vote for either republicans or dems
1/3 dems, 1/3 republicans, 1/3 independents. That's all self reported, though. Turns out only a 1/3 (or so) of self-reported independents are actually capable of voting for more than one party.
oh you meant registered
That's the weird thing about Americans. Individually they're lovely, smart people. Collectively... my god.
16:57
"which means" makes it sound like all do
(no source, just hearsay from high school government class)
@Squiggle Individually they're still pretty pissy
@KendallFrey oh yeah, good catch
I tried to explain why capitalism sucks, didn't register
Remind me never to move to the US
@KendallFrey never move to the US
16:59
well, if trump wins, i'm moving to canada or australia lol
i dont want to be around for that crazy shit
@Jeremy That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
ah fk what was the remind me command?
16:59
nudge

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