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Bon
10:00 PM
A web application which uses a SOA/CQRS approach for data access, I suppose would be one.
Presentation - Middleware - Caching - Data Access, the way I'd see it
Add another tier maybe if you're talking about separate servers for content and auth token generation
 
user47589
MVVVVVVVVVVVVVVM
 
Why is caching separate?
 
amy u craycray
 
lol
 
user47589
its view layers all the way down (till the model)
 
10:06 PM
what?
 
Yeah!
 
user47589
MVVVVVVVVVVVVVVM
 
time for google... view should be all in one layer
 
@Amy You like the V don't you
 
user47589
shortened to MV*M by industry experts.
 
user47589
10:07 PM
i'm just trolling.
 
I thought it was shorten to MV*
lol I know
 
mv*
even shorter
 
haha
Guys how weird would it be to volunteer to work on company website as well as current role?
It's very crappy
 
more than 3 tiers
 
user47589
10:08 PM
why would it be weird?
 
I want!
fourth day in and I want to work on their website
 
Anybody else got an idea for why this Application_Error method isn't getting hit? I'm pretty sure I'm just missing something obvious
 
user47589
bring it up to your boss
 
I don't know if I'm the best person but everyone else is too busy to work on it
 
Is there a project in progress to overhaul the website?
 
10:09 PM
@KalaJ "This is a shit-tier website"
 
Oh yeah, startup.
 
haha yeah
 
In which case if something needs doing it gets done if someone is prepared to, I guess
 
user47589
"Boss, I can double the amount of ponies on our website."
 
He also mentioned getting paid for blog entries
so I can manage the blog :P
as extra cash lol
 
Bon
10:10 PM
Caching when done in a more precise manner than just standard hash based, or time/user based caching usually has to have its own logic processing that makes it convenient to place it between data access and the service/message bus from my experience
 
user47589
I wouldn't consider caching as a layer of an n-tier architecture.
 
@Amy Cap really needs to include cornify.js
 
I've been meaning to re-read about CQRS and event sourcing, I've never used them in practice
 
Bon
if it is a dumb cache, yeah, for sure, just integrate with data access or short circuit the bus before sending the query back
 
user47589
Though I suppose you could.
 
Bon
10:12 PM
where you put the cache depends on if you have a distributed or replicated persistence and if the queries need to prevent segmentation between servers or regions
 
lets be honest, if your still talking about building applications in layers, your stuck in 2001
s/layers/tiers
 
MVC?
 
s/your/you're
:)
 
s/you're/yous
 
Bon
Oh, is Big Ball of Mud back in fashion?
 
user47589
10:18 PM
i love the big ball of mud!
 
Big Ball of JS
 
Big Ball of Job Security?
2
 
Bob's Big Ball of Bullshit Bonanza
 
user47589
I had the best mud.
 
I prefer "shantytown"
 
10:19 PM
@Amy did you see this? It's painful. english.stackexchange.com/q/311381/51331
 
user47589
@mikeTheLiar yesssss
 
user47589
saw it earlier in the Hot Questions sidebar
 
user47589
> Trump’s thoughts are poorly organized, but he does a remarkably good job of remembering where he was before each self-interruption. In computer science terms, he commits no stack overflow errors.
 
@CharlieBrown that is a suspiciously neat shantytown
 
Bon
That is amazing. The indenting structure they did really highlights how insane it sounds. Like a ranting street person.
 
10:21 PM
He's apparently reversed his position on waterboarding which I just find hilarious.
"I'm going to bring back waterboarding!"
"Psst - that's a war crime."
"I've changed my mind."
 
user47589
I thought he was going to bring back worse than waterboarding?
 
@Amy omitted for succinctness but yeah
 
@TomW yeah, on the surface looks awesome.
 
user47589
I'm not surprised he reversed a position. He's a demagogue.
 
wait...that's not...oh hell
 
user47589
10:24 PM
I doubt he believes in much besides making money and his own greatness.
 
He has the best money.
Am I missing something fundamental here? msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/24395wz3.aspx
CustomErrors is off
And I have a method protected void Application_Error(object sender, EventArgs e) in Global.asax.cs
But that method isn't getting hit
 
Bon
Is the app OWIN?
 
user47589
the exception is getting caught somewhere
 
protected void....
 
@Amy it's definitely not. VS breaks on the exception because it's "unhandled"
 
10:29 PM
I guess [mumble] finds the method by reflection, but...executing a protected method would change the bindings you'd need to use for reflecting on it, I'd think
 
Bon
In OWIN in your HttpConfiguration during startup you have to add a new IExceptionLogger
 
@Bon I don't know but I don't think so
 
Bon
Do you have a Startup.cs somewhere in there
 
user47589
if its global.asax, it isn't OWIN
 
Bon
Amy, global.asax exists in default OWIN apps
 
10:30 PM
No startup.cs.
 
^
 
user47589
i'm aware it does, @bon
 
Bon
Yeah, no idea then, if it was OWIN it would explain why you're missing catching it. But since not, no clue.
 
@mikeTheLiar take off the protected
 
Roger wilco
 
10:31 PM
just a guess
 
It's worth a shot
Still no joy
 
hrmph
@mikeTheLiar this help?
 
Like, I'm not missing anything obvious here, right? You just stick the method in the class and it's supposed to automagically work, right?
@TomW yeah, that's like one of 9001 tabs I have open on the topic now. Skimmed it
 
hrm
 
user47589
i can't find anywhere in ILSpy where that method is called.
 
10:34 PM
It didn't immediately solve my problem and required some actual thought so I moved on hoping to find something that did
 
Bon
Good night, everyone. Have a nice weekend.
 
I'm still in the "blindly copy and paste shit from the internet and hope it works" stage. I'll wait until Monday for the "try to understand the actual problem" stage.
 
Bon
Nice meeting you.
 
user47589
Maybe it only catches exceptions sent from aspx pages
 
10:36 PM
Well, part of the reason that I'm confused is that there a protected void Application_Start() method in there as well and that does get hit
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
just add in using System.Web; and everything you need is in there ;)
 
using System.Web.Configuration.JustFuckingWorkPlease;
 
It was a joke :(
The whole point of OWIN was to get rid of System.Web
OWIN's goal was to make it more Node.js-esque. Bare bones. Anything you need is to be added in the form of a module.
 
I'm looking into this OWIN thing and it seems pretty cool
Owin is a pretty cool guy, makes websites and doesn't afraid of anything
 
If you need routing, sessions, auth, roles, global filters, light caching, application caching, and rendering engines, then you need asp.net mvc.
Trying to do all of that from OWIN is just making life harder on yourself.
You can do it, but it is going to be needlessly complex.
 
11:10 PM
hey guys
 
11:35 PM
@Amy I only catch paninos.
 

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