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5:00 PM
@Jeremy Nudge #1 registered.
 
@KendallFrey thanks
 
dammit now I'm hungry for fudge
 
user47589
I want some fudge.
 
fudge sounds good
 
!!/help
 
5:00 PM
@EricWu Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
god damn it iis
work
 
oh i fucked it up, time to read the docs
!!nudge remove 1
 
@Jeremy I looked for nudge #1, but all I found was this goat.
 
lol
lmao that made me laugh more than it should have
why a goat?
 
@Jeremy Nudge #2 registered.
 
there we go
will trump be elected president, or will he be fired from the race? will hommiestevieg have to move to australia or even canada? find out next time on dragonball z!
 
flashes a gang sign
 
shoots steve
flashes opposing gang sign
 
dies
you ever notice, that when i start talking, everybody else stops talking
i think i should take a hint
 
5:05 PM
@SteveG no, it's me. @mikeTheLiar wants me banned. :^)
 
*Only if you're Muslim or Mexican // this is a sarcastic comment*
 
hey
no
we're not doing that
 
@SteveG I tried to convince my wife to leave the country
She "wants to wait and see how bad it gets"
 
@Jeremy That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
5:09 PM
!!zalgo TRUMP
 
@Jeremy Ť̺̬̪̭̬͔̐R̦̤̘͕̝̼̔̏͛̄̇̇ͦ́Ư̻̎ͮͬ͐M͎̺̈̇̒́P͈̜͕̠̟̦̳͌͟
 
@Jeremy what? Sorry, you've almost completely lost me
 
@mikeTheLiar something something size of hands something pun
 
You seem to have inferred some sentiment that's not there
 
user47589
5:10 PM
most people who say they'll leave the country when so-and-so gets elected never do. Rush Limbaugh said he'd leave if Obama was elected, and he's still here, unfortunately.
 
My hands are so good. I have the best hands.
 
@TomW Ok, then I'm lost too. Let's just forget about it.
 
user47589
no no, keep up the pointless internet fight. i've got money riding on the outcome
 
@Jeremy I was grumbling about the general behaviour and hypocrisy of people we tend to face in this business
 
@Amy is "the outcome" an MLP thing?
 
5:11 PM
Of which the person you were quoting I assumed was an example
 
@Amy I don't want to get all ranty so I won't go into it but I kinda want to leave the country anyway. I'm pretty fed up with the US pretending to be a big-boy country
 
user47589
no, it's a gambling thing.
 
user47589
same, @mikeTheLiar
 
@TomW ah... yeah, she's just a friend, not in the industry.
 
@Amy how do you feel about NZ? We could all be roommates
 
5:12 PM
i refuse to believe, that anybody in here honestly likes trump, other than for trolling purposes
 
Unfortunately it's just a trope at this point
 
it's just that insane
 
user47589
NZ is nice, that's where the rings of power were forged.
 
See: the IT crowd
one ring to bind them
 
According to a friend of mine who's from NZ it's supposedly really easy to emigrate
 
5:13 PM
something something
NZ has brain drain like crazy IIRC
 
He seems to think that developers would have a particularly easy time
Does NZ have the same internet problems that Australia does?
 
@mikeTheLiar Probably true. Brain drain and all. And yes, NZ has the same crazy internet problems last I checked.
 
Blech
 
@Jeremy and the people who think that's the norm should take a look at the wacky behavioural issues that 'extroverts' sometimes have
 
user47589
what's the norm?
 
5:17 PM
the IT crowd
as actual people who actually work in IT
 
something something normies something something reeeeeee something autism something
 
Am I not word good this evening, or is it everyone else? I'm really not sure. But all of a sudden nothing I say seems to make sense to anyone
 
user47589
IT Crowd made fun of IT stereotypes
 
@TomW Hm, yeah, maybe. People are tricky sometimes, and carry a lot of baggage. Extroverts are the ones "playing the game", so they're better with people on average, but because they are more often the ones in social situations, they also unearth their own shares of social issues.
 
logic defies so many people
 
5:19 PM
It's easy being an armchair quarterback. It's different when you're on the field.
 
HA. I've just realised what Jeremy's userpic is. It's a slow-exposure shot of Amy in a washing machine.
 
user47589
lol
 
rofl
secret's out guys, i'm just a sentient washing machine.
 
but i have internet access and i'm paired with your phone/google account/whatever
so i have that going for me, which is nice.
 
5:22 PM
 
are you the prototype of iWash?
 
@tweray don't know what that is
@CharlieBrown have you ever worked in an industry and left it with a more positive impression than when you entered it?
 
not once
 
i suspected that
 
hvac, craft beer, big paper, restaraunts, firetrucks, defense, insurance, banks, etc.
All suck hard.
 
5:28 PM
@CharlieBrown craft beer sucks hard? that's a surprise.
didn't even think there was an "industry", since at least all the owners/brewmasters seem super friendly and open to everyone, even "competitors"
since they see themselves more as artisans, i guess.
 
depends on the level, but the industry pay-wise is peanuts
beer doesnt make much money, its a volume industry. the more you produce at once, the more money per ounce
 
Supposedly being a brew master isn't even that good of a gig
 
once you get as big as sam adams, your just another big business at that point
 
what? the defense department is even worse than it appears?
 
tbh i think @Codeman is in the right industry, making products for other developers
 
5:30 PM
my biggest problem in all industries is incompetent managers (see: peter principal), and red tape/overhead
 
@CharlieBrown sounds right.
 
I am working at the largest insurance company in the US right now. Want to know why your insurance costs so much? We have 75% overhead (non-developer time) on every project.
 
do they provide free insurance btw?
 
if i read about the peter principal is it going to tell me how i am far superior than my management in any way possible?
enlarge my egg threefold
 
AKA the Dilbert Principle
 
5:33 PM
ego*
 
@misha130 no, it's going to tell you that you aren't in management because you're a shitty developer
 
o-oh...
 
lol, i'm joking
 
"Enlarge my egg" I'm dying
 
@misha130 The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by Laurence J. Peter in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."
 
5:34 PM
oh I get it
 
As Scott Adams put it, "incompetent people are moved to the place where they are least likely to cause damage - management"
 
> I wrote The Dilbert Principle around the concept that in many cases the least competent, least smart people are promoted, simply because they’re the ones you don't want doing actual work. You want them ordering the doughnuts and yelling at people for not doing their assignments—you know, the easy work. Your heart surgeons and your computer programmers—your smart people—aren’t in management. That principle was literally happening everywhere.
@Jeremy yes
 
user47589
3 mins ago, by misha130
enlarge my egg threefold
 
user47589
lol
 
5:36 PM
then we can fry your egg and make a nice panini
 
FUCK YEAH PANINI
 
@tweray the insurance still sucks. AND... we get better insurance rates (with the same company) through the company my wife works at. go figure
 
I'd love some paninis
2
lyf is tuff
 
i want to star this so i can see @Squiggle get crazy on Monday
anybody with me?
 
@CharlieBrown every month it feels i get some email about some new hoop i have to jump through to get my shit merged
like... christ it feels like they're just trying to come up with the most reasonable sounding way to slow down quality development
 
5:41 PM
@tweray what are we staring?
 
4 mins ago, by misha130
I'd love some paninis
 
to merge something to the linux kernel you just email the mailing list your stupid patch
 
Is Squiggle anti-panini?
 
no, but he's grammar fascist
 
that's it.
 
user47589
5:43 PM
what's it
 
you're it
 
@Jeremy not like there's a distributed source control system out there or anything. Why would Linux even be aware of such a thing? Oh wait...
!!afk acquiring additional panini
 
!!panini
 
Jan 12 at 16:55, by Markus Werner
to all stupid put all "Panini" in your asshole
 
some people bitch and moan about github's lack of "features" or "tools" but that's the beauty of it
you just submit your stupid PR, and people comment on it
then someone with the keys decides what to do
 
5:44 PM
the only thing that reallllly bugs me about github is, once you open a PR, you can't change it's base
 
^ simplicity trumps complexity
 
and look at all the really sophisticated software that git+github has built!
 
"trumps"
 
s/trumps/sanders
 
make github great again
 
5:46 PM
make github great? again?
 
@SteveG yeah but how often is this actually a problem for you
when do you submit PRs to anything but master?
 
well, if you have a dev branch or a publish branch, often
 
^
 
sounds like two PRs to me
since there are going to be two merges anyway
 
yeah, but when you open a PR from your feature branch to the dev branch, and forget to select the dev branch because you're in the zone and in a rush
then it's base is master, and you can't change it without closing and opening a new PR
 
5:48 PM
Hey guys I'm reading on await/async right now and I am wondering, when would you use a Task that is not async?
 
"when i fuck up", basically
so then you delete the PR and open a new one
costs a small amount of time for an unlikely mistake
 
i shouldn't have to, is my point
do you even github bro? lol
'unlikely'
 
I've just never had this problem
 
stop doing multi branches, start doing continuous delivery
 
we have continuous builds
thats probably not what you meant
 
5:49 PM
multiple branches is basically satan
 
write feature -> checkin -> auto test -> deploy
no need for dem fancy feature branches
 
I want to get an "i do all my testing in production" shirt
 
that works when you're the only one working in a repo, but when you have 5-10 devs doing it
 
we do it with 16
 
you need a better branching strat
so, you do a bunch of work, open a PR to master?
 
5:51 PM
make features small, and dont work on 50 at once
 
large projects require communication with others anyway
then branching can get more complex if it needs to
 
master should always reflect whats on live, so if theres a fire, you can make a fire branch off of master, regardless of any other work going on
 
i have found that feature size seems to be the biggest reason to have multi branches. large features take too long to develop and you end up out of pocket/sync
 
so that means, you should have another branch, that your team merges their changes to, before they go live
this is all subjective of course
my way isn't the only way
 
@SteveG this feels like what tags are for, not branches
 
5:52 PM
automates tests cover your code, so you should not have a "fire". If you do, you rollback.
 
but i think, just using master + feature branches seems dangerous
 
#firstworldproblems, my lunch order is taking an hour so far
 
ah, agree to disagree
 
and I just ordered a salad and a bagel
 
user47589
not a panini? traitor
 
5:54 PM
I am I'm a traitor
decided to get a salad lol
 
I'm getting Blade & Soul flashbacks now
 
probs doing the typical feature branch/release branch/hotfix... i would allow this approach if there were better automated tools in our industry to manage it
 
I should stop playing that game so much
 
let me give an example: you have master, you do 6 months of work and have 6 months of work left to go, Now master has a bunch of changes that aren't in live. Well, suppose there is a fire (or even a stakeholder request to do some work really quick and get it out to live), now what do you do?
 
@SteveG "6 months of work" wtf is that
 
5:55 PM
lol, no doubt
 
what in the world takes that long
 
i've been on the same project since august
 
we make our features less than 3 days of work, we release 2-3 times each sprint (2wk)
if your gonna do waterfall, your stuck with shitty branching
 
nah, we're still agile
 
wagile maybe
but your not releasing agile
 
5:57 PM
you're talking about scrum?
scrum is a subset of agile
 
im talking agile, as in... working software is the measure of progress. if it takes you 6mo to produce working software to your end user...your not making much progress
 
user47589
scrum is scrumptious
 
@CharlieBrown lol but you don't know anything about what I'm doing
 
no doubt
im not saying you have to be agile, im just saying your not doing it
 
in your non-informed view, we're not doing agile
 
5:59 PM
at least, with regards to your current 6mo project
 
@CharlieBrown what would you do if a feature actually took say, 6 weeks to develop?
Still commit regularly, but flip a switch somewhere in prod?
 
I would say, your feature is too large. break it up
 
@CharlieBrown There are some features that just don't work that way.
 
@CharlieBrown it's not a feature, it's a whole system
 
Not many, but some.
 
6:00 PM
Look, im not saying all projects should be done this way.
I'm just saying, an agile development process is one in which you release software often so you can get feedback often.
 
I wonder whats the point of feedback if you release often since you never have time to go back and reflect on this feedback
 
Look, Ive been there. Our legacy code is still on the old cycle, 3month release times. We still do release/hotfix/feature branching. it sucks. its a total pain in the buns.
 
we get feedback weekly from end-users, while the system is being developed
 
@misha130 does not follow. release often and redraw priorities often. if you get feedback that you want to take action on, you decide on it and release it quickly, too.
 
i was just bitter about my personal experience
 
6:13 PM
I just try to follow this where it makes sense agilemanifesto.org/principles.html
 
Guys I'm going to be working on the backend services for this app. Feel free to download and tell me how much you hate it or what needs to be improved, etc: mobisave.com
Yes I did notice in google pay, half the reviews are one star. That means there's a lot of work to do
 
@KalaJ what does it _do_?
1. Buy shit
2. Take picture of receipt proving I bought shit
3. ?????
4. Profit
Step three really needs some explanation
 
i click install
and cant install it
and cant find it on appstore
I mean google play
and well we aren't the correct people to ask. Devs have more patience and understanding
its literally blocked in my country :(
 
This sandwich is amazing. Worth the 30 minute wait.
 
I swear to me mum I'll go make my own personal panini
 
6:27 PM
Agile isn't for frequent releases or nonsense like that, it's for getting your developers to do more work sooner with less requirements :^)
 
@mikeTheLiar it's basically market campaign. as you scan the receipt, company now collects what you bought and thus figure out what kind of ad you might be interested in, and those data can be used to provide more directed page ad while you are visiting yahoo or something
 
So it's google ads but I have to manually share my shopping habits? WTF
 
that's all, and of course, you benefit from it by getting coupons
 
Agile seems to actually be whatever whoever is talking about it wants it to be
 
"money back" = coupons?
 
6:29 PM
Good evening all
 
Google already knows your bad dragon shopping habits
 
@scheien Hi - shouldn't you be drinking beer?
 
@Jeremy I want it to be a panini
 
@misha130 somehow, yes, those can be classed in the same subject. money back/storecredit/coupon
 
@Jeremy: I am.
:)
 
6:29 PM
PSA don't google bad dragon at work
 
marketing tricks :^)
 
for most ppl who don't really care about their shopping privacy, it's actually beneficial. but of course, most of us don't want to be tracked
trick is, read their terms of use, you basically giving up your right of the data collected by using that app, which means, if the company is short of money, they can sell those data to anybody as long as it's legal and price is right
 
Thing is no one is actually going to scan it
 
happened with Radio Shack IIRC
 
the downvotes on it are probably because people are expect actual money back
expecting
 
anyways, forget the darkside, it is legit business, and you know, even google is doing that, so it can't be wrong xD
 
@tweray people still laugh at me for advocating privacy :(
 
well my supermarket sort of made me sign a contract to get discounts
a contract that says that they can give away my data
 
then you sign it with santa claus or something
They don't verify it with your passport do they?
 
:^)
classified
 
6:36 PM
"Rusty Shackleford"
 
zzzz iPad video player crashes if I play 16 videos in sequence on one page
 
Good evening!
 
you didn't play it right!
 
6:57 PM
16 every time, I guess it has a hard limit D:
 

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