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06:00
@AndrewL. Indentation is essential in python. That's one thing that makes that language so silly for me.
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If you really want to start with something other than basic es5, use jQuery. Once you have a handle on jQuery, figure out how to do everything without jQuery
I come from classic OOP
nah
@πάνταῥεῖ see my comment on the q... I also think it's weird to depend on the user for correct formatting. Depending on the user/writer is never a good idea
@Drew OOP ES5 n' 6!
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06:01
ECMAScript is very object oriented. Everything in ECMAScript is an object, even numbers
es2015 whatever that maps to
@AndrewL. Followed you.
IMO, TypeScript is meh.
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^^ That
class Drew extends Dog { }
06:02
lol
morning
Hello
changed profile pic back?
@AlexanderO'Mara Anything that has script in it is Meh!
Did I miss drama last night? I saw something in the tavern suggesting things were not looking good here
06:02
Bable is designed to match the future ES specs.
@πάνταῥεῖ Indentation is essential in every language. Python (and some other languages) just eliminate the curly braces.
@Magisch things are awesome
@TigerhawkT3 But letting it being part of the language is just silly.
@TigerhawkT3 agreed but Python uses it especially for it's blocks which I find modern but not dependable
@πάνταῥεῖ Pfft, JavaScript > Java
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06:04
^ that 10000 times over
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And it is a hell of a lot better than Python /runs away
Uh oh
@Magisch Much of. I've been banned forever almost.
I don't see why it's silly or unreliable. You'd write code with proper indentation anyway, whatever language you chose, right?
self.is_angry = True
06:05
I used to regularly write scripts in Python... now I find myself writing more and more of them in JavaScript. The async nature makes many of them more efficient with less effort.
@TigerhawkT3 But I feel like depending on the user to write good formatted code is a bit silly. I like python as a whole though
@AndrewL. greybeard.is_grumpy = "Yes";
Why a string @πάνταῥεῖ ?
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Because strings tie things together
^ More or less
06:07
I need just one or two more things to answer for JS tag
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> How I do selected brackety thingy from page?
@AndrewL. I'm a programmer, not a psychologist.
The user already needs to put the braces in the right place. Eliminating the braces and relying on indentation just makes those determinations result in properly-formatted code.
Huh?
@TigerhawkT3 I guess - although I like my braces :)
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@AndrewL. you wanted a JS question to answer
06:08
I only just got up and I'm nearly repcapped for the day on the workplace again
I had braces for more than long enough as a kid to be okay with getting rid of (most of) them. :P
@AndrewL. I think of JS and PHP are mental diseases more than programming languages.
Every day I try really hard to repcap
The longest streak was 2 days. I haven't done so in 4 days because school
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@πάνταῥεῖ No that's PHP, JavaScript is just so easy to run that it is bound to attract low quality programmers
06:10
@πάνταῥεῖ ES3 was nasty, but I've found ES6+ to be plain awesome.
@AlexanderO'Mara ES6!
Lot's of spam tonight ehh?
Holy crap would you look at the time
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not really
I better get to bed all. Bye o/
@TinyGiant Stuff like emscripten makes me shudder.
Later @AndrewL. o/
06:12
@AndrewL. N8
@AndrewL. my advice, find one tag. And stay there
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@πάνταῥεῖ that's just bad
then in a year, get the heck away from it !
@TinyGiant Its even worse!
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That's not spam, it's just off-topic
06:14
@πάνταῥεῖ Really though?
Feels more like a misplaced off topic question
In any case, I'm not spam nuking someone trying to help the homeless
I'm heartless, but not that heartless
@Magisch Good intention may be, but certainly not on topic in any way.
@Magisch My heart was made of granite.
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@πάνταῥεῖ not on-topic, but not spam
@πάνταῥεῖ my kitchen top is made of granite.
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You could argue that it is offensive, but I don't think that argument would go very far
Lets hope I'll never get homeless :)
06:20
Morning @Yvette
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Hi agk
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Afk on phone
@Yvette - So you are with your phone but away from its keyboard / Keypad ?
bluetooth TLM
@Magisch You also lost that bet with kyll? Regarding your recent avatar changes?
06:42
What are you talking about ?
@Weedoze I think @kyll, @Magisch and @yvette know well.
@Weedoze if you mean avatar bets, this sort of thing chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=32720144#32720144
if you mean more broadly, socvr.org has a FAQ
@ivarni silly typo, shame to have spent so much time on what is otherwise a rather exemplary question
What exactly is exemplary about a question with a simple typo?
How will that help anyone else, ever?
How little time can you spend on trying to solve a problem when you overlook that you spell the exact same variable differently on two lines that are next to each other?
@ivarni I certainly close voted, but abstained from downvoting because the OP had clearly put in some time and thought
notice the "otherwise"
06:58
@Yvette I responded to gnat in that chat room
Morning
Now thats just wonderful
I make an appointment for a meeting with someone and prepare my stuff, and when I get there "I don't have time atm, come back some hours later"
Well nice that I set up an appointment exactly to avoid just that
you prepare your stuff? That sounds kinky
@πάνταῥεῖ =D
07:15
@Yvette It looks like I missed the best parts but if I see flagging, kick me requests and Shog9 coming in I don't expect much good happened. :( Kidz ...
hey
good morning all
@rene we got Tiger back. It all worked out fine
tbh though I'm tired of how nuclear everybody goes over discussions here sometimes
That ^
should we have a separate chat room for "I'm not insensitive, they are over-sensitive" discussions? It sucks to have that here again
07:23
Maybe I'll take a few months off from chat other then charcoal HQ
@tripleee All that discussion does is lead to shouting and pissed off people. Reason isn't in this debate because its an emotionally charged topic. There is no point to discuss if you both know from the beginning that all that will happen is that you get annoyed at each other.
I think we can agree on that we are all different in many aspects. Both parties should deal with that but convincing each other isn't part of that.
Easy said, rene
but in this particular debate, its easy to see anything but your own opinion as entirely unreasonable
Like I said, its an emotionally charged topic. There is no "agree to disagree" there. Both sides of this debate are thinking the other side is a huge detriment to society. Its too much of a flashpoint to go by without drama
good morning
@Magisch which topic are you referring to
anyway let's not start again
07:27
the sexism debate
there are others
oh that topic. Glad I missed that one
@Magisch what I'm interested in is establishing a better guideline than "be nice" because it clearly isn't working in this case
right
(or rather, it seems that "nice but pointedly politically incorrect" is a common interpretation)
@rene I'm at a loss for how to deal with it here
Every time I've been in charge of a community we worked around that issue by just mercilessly permanently removing anyone who started such a debate
07:32
I want rene to do something about it. Cuz I don't find the topic very funny
I just ban that topic from now on
3
@rene thanks
it's a start, at least
danke
do we flag chat messages which violate the ban or how do we deal with it in the absence of a RO or mod?
@rene Only works if there is a RO on at all times
07:35
@Magisch not necessarily, we just need a procedure
@TimCastelijns see above
He is repairable but I am getting tired of:
flagging stuff is out of the question
@ColdFire didn't see, I don't usually sit in this room
@TimCastelijns oh ok
@TimCastelijns good news for you rep recalc has happen
07:38
rip
bad news is the new system is worse then both the old one and no rep at all
Now the only incentive is to add # in characters en masse
Which means you're encouraged to clutter up stuff unnecessarily
yeah char count isnt going to do a lot good
they are trying. Your idea?
there is a slot for a meta answer. Give one.
And I'm pretty pissed that the one edit where I actually went ahead and spent over 2 hours entirely rewriting a previously garbage example doesn't even mark me as a minor contributor
If you want to say Wonderful just change it to supercalifragilisticexpialidocious thats the trick.
07:40
@Drew Wasn't my idea to try and make community wiki work for rep
the whole concept is flawed
@Drew one of the perceptive answers on meta already analyzed the problem pretty well. The introduction pulled in low-rep users hunting for more rep, not high-rep users striving to produce quality content. Now what we have is going to be tough to repair
@tripleee The new incentive system means even less incentive for high rep users to participate
@Magisch agree
If I spend hours tediously rewriting and correcting an example I could get absolutely nothing
Yet someone who adds a useless paragraph gets everything
Thats sort of like insult to injury, even worse then no rep at all
well, high-rep users typically don't care too much about rep any more
07:42
Not getting anything would be fine
but not getting anything and people making examples worse getting stuff for my work? No
Anyways, the entire thing was already very hard to use due to how large the examples are. Thats only going to get worse
I am just glad I am glad I am a major contributer to stackoverflow.com/documentation/contributors/example/15082
anyway, the lofty goal to produce documentation for stuff which is otherwise poorly documented is clearly not working; instead, you are getting poor paraphrases of already well-documented systems by the cubic kilometer, or outright plagiarism
plus, you can't tell when doco is stale (not a problem now, but it will be) whereas straight old Q&A has a date on each answer to at least help you guess
I think Docs out to be its own baby own rep system. Also selfish though and we have more close voters. I mean we market to them @tripleee
@Drew huh?
Unicorn points. What, you lose a job to that guy that has no tag points?
@tripleee we pull them in as close voters
07:48
@Drew the rep hunters? I don't think so
well we have them in this room now
and other rooms. We pull them in
These questions don't close themselves. I say the bigger pool the better
@Drew no, if the bad pool grows faster, we lose
we train them
find the next completely awful link. They are a part of closing them.
@Drew reach out and preach
the problem is how do you reach the ones who need it the most
some of us are no strangers to reach out
remember that python crew we had? We had 200 questions closed on some days. More than java
and python was at 90 % stay open prior
07:57
@Magisch there were but we are not a collective mind, some of us make different calls in the same situation.
How do you view the list of contributors in any given topic?
I have a dozen people in each tag to blast a message to. The problem is that it get boring after a while when the big dog goes away. Like BR @tripleee
and tuna is spread so thin
So apparently you need to add at least 350 characters to an example to be considered a major contributor now
tuna becomes a minor on java arrays
Im baffled as to why #characters added was ever considered as a metric
08:10
I am baffled as to why they even have Docs
@Drew BR?
python gold
morning
I'm dangerously close to earning bronze in
@Drew If tuna is spread too thinly, open a new can?
08:13
is there a way I can opt out from that?
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@Magisch you didn't see what was being written and flagged. So I recommend you don't comment like that. It's hurtful. As I was the person offended and others agreed, as the comments were removed. some stuff is not acceptable, no matter what people say and it's not a debate on sexism. It's an expectation of behaviour.
I am dangerously near a silver in PHP and want to opt out
@Yvette just stop it will you? Please? and that goes for everyone, including @Magisch
hey, I could get gold in , 809/1000
@rene I haven't even said anything, but if I'm accused like that, I reserve the right to respond to that. If you don't want that, I'd suggest you trash the accusing message, too.
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08:16
@rene I've invited you into a separate room.
Plop!
ohh not again
Oh hey Yvette is back to her old self
blob @Kyll
Oh yeah @Yvette you missed some gender-centric drama on Meta
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08:19
@Kyll I answered it
meh, only finding off-topic posts in there
@Kyll you are behind by long
apart from the stuff which is clearly over my head
@Kyll She dove in, head-first. I'm pretty sure she landed in the right thread :P
'kay, reading. @rene Do ask for this conversation to be moved to the Ministry if you want (or like, don't even ask. Y'know.)
08:20
tbh I've had quite enough of having the gender debate shoved into everywhere. There are lots of places to have that debate, SO is not one of them, as evidenced by what a crapfest it spawns every time its brought up. I think we really do need a very strict "Don't bring social issues in here" rule for this room
agreed
@Magisch message = message.replace('room', 'site')
@Cerbrus s/site/internet?
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I just want to say. There was behaviour in this room today that is unacceptable. I'm tired of the wheels falling off when there's no responsible RO around. I especially don't like it when comments are flagged and the RO in the room then proceeds to embark on making more wise cracks and further alienating any uncomfortable people in the room. This has nothing to do with gender. It's what's acceptable. And I have had no chance to speak to @rene about this.
@Kyll sure, you all take it here
08:22
Did I miss something, this night?
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What can be done to keep this room on track when @rene and the other strong ROs are not here?
@Yvette stop it!
Moving to the Ministry, folks.
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@rene I'm trying to tell you it's uncomfortable at certain times of the day in here. What can we do about it?
@Yvette Not the time nor the place for that debate I think
08:23
And rene is telling you to drop it.
rene will deal with it. You have a room to discuss it
@tripleee "that topic" being?
(As in, how broad is the ban?)
@Cerbrus scroll back from where the link lands for a few messages
but I guess some clarification from @rene would be welcome
A pinned message, maybe
Ah, found it.
08:28
@Cerbrus we used to have a nice pin on socvr.org so the details should probably simply go there
yay got 4k rep \o/
onwards to 10k
Congrats ankit =D
even @Cerbrus has 3.5k rep
Only 96 rep to go for a round number
i am ahead of him
08:30
@ColdFire 35
@Kyll you mean binary?
Cerbrus has like 8 times your rep xD
@Cerbrus just kidding :)
Used to be 37 before the docs nerf, I think
Magisch lost half his rep over that haha
08:31
little less then half
@Kyll its like 8.7 times
but yeah
@Cerbrus you did docs not good -_-
@ColdFire I disagree.
But meh, who cares about rep when you pass 10k
@AndrewL. cerb is our JS gold I did a brainfart on that one
08:32
@Cerbrus yes after 10k who cares i disagree to agree with you
@Cerbrus current predictions say that'll happen in 2-3 years for me
@Drew what brainfart?
Andrew asked if we had a JS gold
I also have a gold badge, by the way :D
08:33
@Drew And you forgot me? How dare you!
ikr
i remember cer getting a -4 answer on meta
@Drew That's some good news. Unfortunately I am away because of a reason, I'll try to help as much as possible. But, again, I can't guarantee it. Sorry.
@tripleee that is BR
@ColdFire I have a -36 one
08:34
@BhargavRao heard about my cousin very sad
@BhargavRao sorry to hear
@BhargavRao btw how it happened?
@Cerbrus aah would want to see that
Thanks for your condolences guys. It helps a lot during these times.
@ColdFire Cardiac Arrest. I'll tell you about it later :)
Cya guys, Gotta go.
08:36
@BhargavRao Damn, that's harsh... My condolences.
@Cerbrus My lowest meta answer is at -3
> Be prepared to agree to disagree; there is too much diversity going on, and too many different sub-goals for each individual to be aligned on every thing. Learn to live with that fact.
Hey I like that one.
@Magisch Looks like I beat you in that aspect :D
@Cerbrus You beat me in many aspects. You got a discussion gold badge, for one. And you have around 8x as much rep as I do
And you've been here for 2 3/4 years longer
@Magisch Heh, beat that!
08:42
@BhargavRao ok bye
@Cerbrus lol your answer was very bad
@ColdFire Not bad, just unpopular
@Cerbrus if i were there i would have invited that RO to my room and kicked him till i am satisfied suits him more :P
yikes a bounty on my self answer stackoverflow.com/q/39025524
@Drew congrats
no not really .... attention I dont want
08:47
you can always complain to jarrod for that
@Drew "One or more of the answers is exemplary and worthy of an additional bounty." < I think it's unlikely someone else gets the bounty
@Drew Isn't that more about server administration?
I was getting tired of answering those questions
@Drew Tbh though, if that question didn't have your answer on it, I'd vtc that as too broad
@Drew: mind if I edit that a bit?
08:49
go for it
my questions are bogus. I just want to share crap
@Magisch Q/A answer often are broad since it is no need to put what I have tried in question, I think it's fine to make'em like that
lol
@Magisch you can still do that
@Drew Yeah seems also like useful crap
Asking a Q and Answering it in the same minute ?:) Holy fast @Drew :P
probably will be helpful to someone in future
08:52
@kayess it is part of the Ask Question check box interface peer-person
@ColdFire Yeah nice, but the question seems narrow in this case.
yes you can
@PetterFriberg yeah quite narrow and specific
:32861749 nice work hey ! I'm just trying to tell you that I need at least half an hour to write up something like that in half length sheer-person
@Drew Have a look at the edit :-)
@PetterFriberg i think this is the one of the best answer i have given yet:stackoverflow.com/questions/35238123/…
08:54
I actually love when people do Q/A it often much better content then some blurry question with some answers guessing.
It took me 1 hour to document those steps. I apologize to the community for doing that lol
lol
@PetterFriberg yeah one self answered from tim was also good
better than docs i guess
If docs are used correctly it can be a nice thing to... you can post some stuff that is often a problem but you can't be sure that people have this problem, hence you can comment "Check out this docs"... unfortunately on SO to much stuff is about reppzz and when reppz are more important then content the problem starts..
@Cerbrus I can't see an edit tree on that one
ah an edit on the Answer. Sorry.
09:03
Heh, derp
@Cerbrus thx
@PetterFriberg Its kind of a "You made your bed now lay in it" situation
SO is big because it has rep
The ugly truth is a great many people are in it for rep and badges, and little else
That's true and repz are ok a great idea, the problem is when you only care about reppz.
@TimCastelijns i made a self answered question for all those android N transactiontoolargeException stackoverflow.com/questions/39507250/…
you can suggest some other things :)
@PetterFriberg thanks petter
09:19
leave the answer I was editing that to : )
@ColdFire never heard of tha lol
@TimCastelijns behaviour change it is in android N
I see it's a duplicate
there are going to be tons of questions on that
@TimCastelijns really someone did answered it?
@TimCastelijns nope not duplicate
disagree
09:21
he doesnt add any ways to solve it
btw what is "a Q"?
oops i dont how it got that
@ColdFire that doesn't matter. The question is the same and your question "why does this happen" is answered by the other answer
I suppose you should add your answer to the other Q
@TimCastelijns that question is specific i answered for all general use case :(
09:25
@Queen k
@TimCastelijns i dont agree with you but still you are welcome to close that :)
@ColdFire the problem is the same, no?
@TimCastelijns doesnt matter people will be easily able to find my question
the other one isn't exactly hard to find
binary content
i am not talking about binary content
i am talking any payload large enough to trigger that
09:28
what is the difference?
both sending a lot of data
yes that is the difference user will not search binary data everytime
its a general question the other one is specific
but the problem and the answer is the same
answer is totally different
problem causes are many
the OP just caused one problem
even if you a array of 100 object
it can trigger TTLE
then you will get 100 question of that
isnt it best to have a general question?
@ColdFire maybe you should rephrase "Why does this happen" then, because that is answered by the other answer "The exception in the logcat you posted is caused by packing too much data into the Bundle"
@TimCastelijns ok sure
@TimCastelijns edited
09:42
Looks good. Polished it a bit
maybe we can close the other as a dupe of this, already has 4 votes on it anyway

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