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2:14 AM
And then there's also custom ROM. Well, at least that's almost guaranteed for Pixel.
 
 
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6:01 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine But why, then, are they unable to pay engineers? They ought to be making massive profits off advertising. Think about it. If they made even 1 cent per ad displayed, with ~6 million viewers of SO alone per day, that adds up to a lot of money.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine When was the last time you watched a compiler? Sounds like JS developer envy to me.
@Andreasdetestscensorship Wow, yeah, that's almost as good as C and C++, which can run on any platform that someone has written a compiler or even just a backend code-gen for! (Java's historic and current boasts of being "cross-platform" continue to be completely lost on me.)
@RyanM Oh no!! You mean you'd have to have separate versions of the app for two completely different architectures? Wow, that'd be so bad! And the only benefits you'd get from it would be massive efficiency improvements and almost no extra work because the build would be completely automated!
@Andreasdetestscensorship What's wrong with includes?
@ZoestandswithUkraine You know, here I was, thinking that I didn't really need any more features in C++ to be content, and then I suddenly started running into several things that are apparently planned for C++23 that I really want today. To be fair, they're basically all about marking standard library functions as constexpr, which isn't a big change, but why wasn't that done in C++20 already?
@RyanM Get that down to 4 MB and then we can talk. :-)
@ZoestandswithUkraine Isn't it mindboggling that a mere viewer for a streaming service would require hundreds of megabytes of code?
@RyanM Unclear why you exclude "no-name junk". Not saying it's a great purchase decision, but it's what the vast majority of people I know who use the Android OS have as hardware. If they had money to buy halfway decent phones, they'd have bought an iPhone...
@Andreasdetestscensorship I've never owned an Android phone; why would I want to buy it?
@ZoestandswithUkraine Arguing that Apple is bad while implying that Google is good is pretty similarly ridiculous. Just saying.
@Feeds Didn't Homestar Runner discover the jorb a long time ago? Like two decades ago?
 
6:54 AM
@CodyGray Well, because it runs Java! But perhaps you’d want a Huawei these days?
@ZoestandswithUkraine Remind me to continue this discussion in a few days, when I have extended time to spend on it.
@Andreasdetestscensorship Actually, did you buy the 11 Pro?
@CodyGray In all seriousness, Java’s cross-platform capabilities are its OS- and platform-independent libraries, and to compile and package it only once, and then make the package available for any platform whatsoever. Of course, that doesn’t work in practice, especially not nowadays.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship No. I still have a 6S.
 
You still have that? So the 11 Plus was too big?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Right. Plenty of other languages, including C++, have platform-independent libraries. The only difference is that you have to compile/package the code separately for each target platform. I do not see how that is a major inconvenience. I have also yet to see a non-trivial Java application that can truly run on any platform.
 
You have changed the battery at least once, right?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I did not have sufficient time or ability to pursue making a decision, so I did nothing. No, I've never changed the battery.
 
7:06 AM
@CodyGray It is a major inconvenience for the end-user, if they want your application to run on their platform, but you haven’t compiled for it. But considering that modern applications need quite a bit more than just a generic jar file, distributing a simple jar is not convenient either.
 
Right. The inconvenience for the user is identical: users can't package their own applications, and even Java applications need packaging. It might have worked with the original "webapplets" model, but it doesn't work for actual applications.
 
@CodyGray That’s strange. I’d assume your battery would’ve stopped working by now. The reason I switched from my iPhone 6, is because the battery turned crazy, so I needed either a new phone, or a battery change. The battery change was expensive, and the phone was getting old, so I chose to get a new one.
 
Why would it stop working? It's definitely lost a lot of capacity, compared to what it could originally do. It used to be able to get me through a whole day of regular use. Now, it doesn't do that, obviously. But since I work from home, it doesn't matter. I don't need the battery to last all day without the need to charge it.
 
@CodyGray Well, you can’t blame the initial Java developers for predicting the wrong future. Packaging the same application for every platform does seem like a good idea.
 
I don't blame the initial developers. I blame the current advocates. :-)
It doesn't. It seems like a terrible idea.
 
7:10 AM
@CodyGray Mine got to a point where it lasted for 20 minutes, and if I charged it above 90%, it suddenly emptied itself completely. It also randomly turned itself off every now and then, even while connected to the charger.
 
Hmm, that's weird.
Yeah, you definitely had a battery failure then. Mine hasn't failed, just gotten weaker over time.
 
So I fucked up an exam or two, because I didn’t have a proper alarm clock, and I couldn’t rely on my phone, so I couldn’t safely sleep the night before.
 
The issue with charging above 90% sounds more like you had a power management controller issue, which was probably a software issue that could have been corrected. But I can totally understand not wanting to hassle with that, because then you'd still have had a very weak battery.
Uh, you know, you can buy a simple alarm clock for like a couple of dollars at a store
Or set your computer to generate an alarm
Or do any of a million other things that are smarter than blowing off exams :-)
 
@CodyGray I didn’t have time. I eventually did that. I also had to buy a physical bus card. I had an active bus ticket at my phone (6 months, 250 USD), but I couldn’t use that either, because my phone refused to work.
@CodyGray Well, the battery in my MBA also started to fuck up… My phone broke down right in the exam period, so I seriously couldn’t get it fixed in time.
Phone broke down, and 2 exams in the next 2 days.
 
You didn't have time to stop by a convenience store and get an alarm clock?
Hmm, yeah, sounds like you could have bought a battery pack.
 
7:15 AM
@CodyGray Actually, no. But it’s been a few years now, so I can’t remember all the details.
 
Has it been a few years? Seems like a couple of months...
Your MBA came with a battery?!
 
@CodyGray You’re funny. :P
 
I'm not even kidding!
 
@CodyGray Macbook Air!
@CodyGray It was in 2019!
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Cody thinks I’m a coral reef, though, and not just a visual bug
 
You don't look anything like a bug!
 
7:27 AM
But I have many legs. And they crawl all over you.
 
Hmm.
I think that is not sufficient criteria for a bug.
 
So a bug is only created when its parents’ protection failed?
 
7:48 AM
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Q: I brought a legitimate concern about an interesting question that was closed for lack of "focus", and I was flamed for it. Why?

StackOverflowUser19983This is not a generic question. I'm curious specifically about my earlier post: Question someone didn't like was closed for no good reason, as per usual. Someone immediately called my post a "rant". I think ranting is warranted where anger is meritable. Anger was meritable. I was not even defendi...

 
@NewPosts didn't last long, probably for good
 
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Or let it, see if I care.
> They will prove me right by closing this post also. (Thanks for proving me right.)
I love this. (You're welcome!)
 
8:05 AM
@CodyGray because they don't practice sustainable hiring
 
I'd believe you if I had any evidence they ever, at any point, over-hired engineers.
 
It's not just about engineers. They had over 500 employees
@CodyGray /shrug. Most of the changes involve stdlib changes though, some times with elementary shit like contains()
 
Let's see... 6 million views per day, assuming 1 ad on the page (a vast underestimate) that pays 1 cent per view... that's 6 million cents per day, which is $60,000 per day, which is $21,900,000. We'll round that to $22 million/year for convenience, and then cut it in half to account for overhead costs (a vast overestimate). That means you can pay each of your 500 employees $22k per year.
Now, that's obviously too low in the US labor market, but we made a lot of assumptions that result in an underestimate, so... I think you get the idea.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yeah, exactly! And std::pow!
Why would you make std::count_if constexpr in C++20, but bypass other similar functions?
 
@CodyGray I'm not arguing that Google is good; I'm arguing that of the two options available in the mobile space, Google is a lesser evil. The mobile space could probably do with more competition, but both apple and Google love suppressing it, soo
 
I'm just not sure I believe the claim that Google is a lesser evil.
 
8:13 AM
@CodyGray you're disregarding other major expenses here
 
The ones that cost more than $11 million/year?
It's certainly not paying content-creators or content-moderators.
 
First off, some estimates claim 30-40% use as blockers, which immediately eliminates a significant portion of the ad revenue
As for the income itself, you're at least one order of magnitude off. International traffic is estimated to around 3-4 USD/500 views, of 0.008 dollars/view. This assumes no special deals though. That cuts an order of magnitude
 
Oh, good feedback. So, the takeaways are that we need to: (1) block adblockers, and (2) block, throttle, or charge international users?
 
Teams had been cited to make up half the revenue as well, and they do have multiple income sources. Figure out how much teams earn, and we can trivially find the full income by multiplying by 2. We're also disregarding expenses, which adds up when you have millions of users. No clue how much were talking though
@CodyGray when I said international traffic, I didn't mean "traffic from outside the US", I meant an average of all traffic, due to some countries having a significantly lower rate because less advertising interest, I guess?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine What's 2 multiplied by 0 again?
 
8:25 AM
@CodyGray 20
@CodyGray So cute. :)
 
Without knowing how much they earn, there's not really any way to get close to the truth. And unfortunately, they're US-based, which means no financial transparency, so we can only speculate
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Eumillipes persephone?
 
That said, according to glassdoor.com/Salary/Stack-Overflow-Salaries-E504626.htm, many of the salaries are at least 50k
 
Yes, that's pretty much a minimum reasonable salary in the US for any of the type of work that SE would be hiring people to do.
 
Some random site I've never heard of estimates their revenue at 172 million
 
8:34 AM
I mean, if you read it on the Internet, it has to be correct, right?
 
With the US, you never know
 
@CodyGray Cute. 🥰
 
There's no official source that confirms nor denies, because corporate finances are secret for some reasons?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I know I am.
 
8:36 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine For the same reason that your birthdate is secret by default, unless you choose to share it?
@Andreasdetestscensorship Cute is not the same as soft.
 
@CodyGray The rough numbers for companies are public here
 
@CodyGray You are correct. Some soft things are not cute. But being cute requires a certain level of softness.
 
For individuals, tax records are public
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I told him that 3 years ago.
 
That's crazy. What business is it of anyone else how much money you make?
 
8:41 AM
I also told you that 3 years ago.
And I tried explaining it to Tyler and Kevin a day or two ago.
 
"Hey, buddy, can you lend me $20k to buy a car?" "No, I'm sorry, but I don't have enough money right now to loan you anything." "Bullshit! Liar! I have your tax records right here! You made $NNN last year, so you can totally afford to loan me $20k. You are just a terrible friend who doesn't love me as much as I love you."
 
But Americans have this hard shell of «don’t wanna listen».
 
My problem is more that I don't remember random things people said me to in a chat room 3 years ago?
 
@CodyGray Mostly transparency. That's one of the officially cited reasons
 
That's just begging the question.
"Why should we force the reveal of this private information?" "Transparency."
That's equivalent to "Because we think it's a good idea."
 
8:44 AM
I’m surprised; you learned Norwegian, but not our culture. ;P
 
Again, far more than 3 years ago.
 
@CodyGray or it's our pal, good 'ol cultural differences
Transparency in tax records is meant to support public debates on income and tax, among other things. This is something out society values enough to make it public
That said, what's made public is rough figures, not every single detail about an individual's finances
 
So what you're saying is that you, culturally, prefer more nuanced debates than "no new taxes"?
(Spoiler alert: he raised new taxes.)
 
It includes net income, net fortune (included assets, such as your house, if applicable), and taxes
@CodyGray yeah :p there are debates here too that taxes are too low/too high, but both the right and left support the welfare state, and taxation by extension
 
I completely understand that
 
9:42 AM
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Q: Want to rant about SO? I created a Subreddit

StackOverflowUser19983https://www.reddit.com/r/stackoverflowrants/ Its whole purpose is for ranting about how rude people are here, and I created it, so nobody is going to delete your posts there. I'm the benevolent dictator forever.

 
@NewPosts pfft, so many removed posts even on Reddit...
 
> Downvotes don't need to exist
Sigh, indeed.
Pro-ChatGPT, anti-Stack Overflow. How familiar.
 
> -Rule 2-
> 2) AskReddit is NOT your personal or professional advice platform.
> Any post asking for advice should be generic and not specific to your situation alone. Do not include first person pronouns in your title ("I, "Me", "My" etc.). In AskReddit, your title should always be about the question itself. If the question is focused on your personal story or is only relevant to your experience, it is not suitable for AskReddit.
I think I like this rule...
 
BuT iTs So ToXiC!!!1one
 
10:03 AM
@NewPosts Finally, a subreddit where I can post all the times new askers throw insults at people trying to help them.
 
Does someone have a Reddit account that they can use to report this? It seems to me that "they are rude fuckers who deserve to be burned to death by a volcano" should violate even Reddit's minimum standards for decorum.
(But I somewhat admire the consistency of the message, even down to the specific proposed solutions?)
 
@CodyGray I think I just reported it (dunno, I don't use Reddit much)
 
ZOMG! A post that is part of two Collectives!!
I didn't know that was a thing that was supported, but I guess, in hindsight, why wouldn't it be?
 
@CodyGray I don't do Reddit often, but I took care of reporting the post as well. Let's see what happens. :)
 
I'll look out for any volcanoes.
 
10:26 AM
> I'm a professional
lol
Yep, what @PhobosFerro said. Here's the corresponding bug report on MSE: Tag watching & ignoring is bugged in the profile page settingsV2Blast ♦ 16 hours ago
But why is that bug report 5 months old, with no activity or solution?!
 
10:43 AM
@AndrewT. lol
Accidental self-burn
@CodyGray You could probably do 3 fairly easily
 
What about 0?
You always come up with the worst solution to a problem. :-)
 
R, CI/CD, and Google Cloud/Microshit Azure/AWS should be possible to combine
@CodyGray My solutions are always perfect! :p
 
That'd be 5, right? Not 3?
 
No, I meant one of Google Cloud, Azure, or AWS
 
If I knew what the heck WSO2 was, I might be able to come up with a way to work that in.
Oh, why not all 3 of them?
 
10:46 AM
been a while I saw you talk here :O @CodyGray
although I did talk to you once or twice in comments on Meta
 
So you have GitHub Actions (CI/CD) deploying something in R (R, duh) to a cloud provider, with an appropriate question justifying all three tags that I'm not creative enough to fake
 
Is there really no "flag" option on Collectives Bulletins?
There's no way for me to indicate that the first link is broken in this ridiculously spammy thing?
@NordineLotfi Comments on Meta are easier than coherent conversations in chat. :-)
 
true
sometimes I find myself just lurk in here and not say anything
 
How is that even possible?
 
@CodyGray What rules apply to bulletins?
Because that'd be spam in any other context
 
10:48 AM
Unknown and irrelevant?
 
@CodyGray I mean, it's hard to sometimes find things to talk about (not all the time, but I guess I find it hard to explain)
 
@NordineLotfi Oh, I can understand you not starting discussions. But there are plenty of others in here who start things to reply to! :-)
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yeah, we don't allow that.
 
@CodyGray hmm, that's a good point
 
@CodyGray Wow. Such informative. Much amaze
 
10:50 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, I noticed a lot of answers in Collectives are AI generated, especially the one from MS related stuff
which is a bit funny considering MS helped OpenAI
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine How do you know that's AI-generated?
Ballerina is supposedly just a programming language?
> Bulletins are not connected to voting or reputation, since they are not knowledge-focused content.
That's an intriguing way of putting it.
> Bulletins are a way for Admins of a collective to communicate with Members and readers of that collective.
 
@CodyGray I assumed based on "written with [unrelated software]"
Now I'm not as sure
 
@CodyGray so basically, "article"? weird
@ZoestandswithUkraine they could probably have used weird prompt such as "make it as an article with heading, conclusion, etc"
 
@CodyGray Does anyone else think it's so incredibly bizarre that they are studiously refusing to capitalize Collective, even though (A) it's obviously a proper noun, (B) it'd be the only way to enforce that as any sort of trademark, and (C) they capitalize other completely normal, non-proper nouns, like Admin and Members?
 
10:53 AM
it's not that hard given how many people do it on Medium and whatnot, and literally admit to it
 
@NordineLotfi Well, no, "Articles" are knowledge-focused, I think.
 
Taking a quick look at the Azure collective, I've spotted a fuckton of shitty articles
Some probably plagiarised, some probably AI-generated
 
Azure, plagiarism? What? No way....
 
And I've also decided that I don't get paid enough for this shit, so collectives can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned
 
@CodyGray I mean, I only said that based on the description I pinged you on :) but you're right that they aren't really Articles
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yep...
 
10:54 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine How much payment would it really require for you to delete them all?
 
@CodyGray At least 800k NOK/year
 
That seems like a lot to pay someone for clicking a button.
Unless your currency just isn't worth anything.
 
@CodyGray Sort of
 
Have you considered raising your debt ceiling?
 
800k is approximately 80k USD, but it has somewhat less purchase power than 80k USD. I don't have a number for USD, but it's divide by 2 for a rough purchase power adjustment with GBP
Which itself is a bit oversimplified, but whatever
 
10:57 AM
@CodyGray I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some people are paid that much for less, but then again, I don't have a good real-world example
 
My starting salary is going to be around 7-800k when I'm done with uni though :p
 
@NordineLotfi Look for three-letter acronyms that begin with "C".
@ZoestandswithUkraine But are you going to be able to click the delete button for shitty things?
 
(now they started spamming Reddit with their new sub-Reddits...)
 
@CodyGray ah, yeah I C what you mean
 
Found another complaint in the wild about "Google it" comments on SO. Rather ranty and unnecessarily demonizing for a comment posted in 2014, but at least based on a legitimate concern. social.sargasso.nl/@hanscees/110439925561153311
 
10:59 AM
@AndrewT. they always do, it's just that it's sometimes hard to find them since they either don't have enough users, or they get deleted (or not get promoted/spammed around so you won't hear about them)
 
Dunno what #socialmedia and #musk have to do with anything there?
 
@Enet4 There's... a lot of old "google it" comments
 
@CodyGray if Twitter is to be taken seriously, everything have to do with either of those tags
 
I think you mean "those two tags are why Twitter is not taken seriously"?
 
I really should go hunting for them
 
11:01 AM
But I don't actually know how Twitter works, so...
 
@CodyGray yep, that too
I mean I don't know how it works either
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Sounds good to me.
 
the problem is that my tooling doesn't quite support it
 
I took a look at the "The Algorithm" repo on github, but it seems heavily modified, so it's probably not 1:1 with what was actually working server-side, but even then, you can see a lot of political and social bias
 
@CodyGray Meh, at that point it just turned into an incoherent rant.
 
11:02 AM
What is "The Algorithm"?
@Enet4 "That point" == the very second sentence? Yeah...
Why did they underline that comment under Martijn's answer? That doesn't seem problematic.
 
don't look on the repo issues btw, it's cringe-worthy
 
Oh, I didn't even know Twitter had a "Recommendation Algorithm". I've never seen any recommendations.
Then again, I don't have an account, so....
 
it's the thing on the side I think, not sure
 
@CodyGray interesting. I interpreted that as just a visual artifact from the screenshot and focused on the selected text.
 
you don't need an account to see the tags recommendation I believe, but I don't know much about twitter either
 
11:04 AM
@Enet4 Hmm. I considered that it might be a visual artifact, but I couldn't figure out how, and you yourself wrote "those comments", so I assumed there must be more than the one that are a problem.
Oh, you mean the follow-up "how-to-search" mini-tutorial comments...
Comments are annoying enough to read on the main site. Now I'm supposed to read them in a blurry screenshot? :-)
 
@CodyGray Yeah, there was at least one other "did you Google" comment in the question. I did not mean to refer to the content in the answer.
 
> But did you try Googling for how the Stack Overflow community feels about such comments?
 
It's easier and more comfortable to rant about it.
 
Find something you're good at and stick with it, I always say.
 
11:10 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Wow, that looks familiar!
 
Yeah, and doesn't count as plagiarism because its' written by the same person
 
You sure? Look like different peeps to me.
Oh, hmm. The display name on the Microsoft page is different (Sumarigo), but the URL slug is the same.
Oh, again. That's a contraction of the first and last names.
Cogra should have known that.
 
yeah, look at the PII
The azure collective is the exact representation of what Articles were expected to become though
Shithole of copy-pasta for rep, a lot of which has copied or reworded content from external sources
 
Well, I mean, the tyrannical moderators wouldn't allow that in the answers, so they really had no choice but to find another place.
 
I'm really, really pissed by how SE is now actively gearing itself towards not just ignoring the decline in content quality, but accelerating it
The several chats with Microshit apparently did nothing
 
11:16 AM
We need more knowledge-focused content.
 
We need SE to not actively make moderation harder for us
 
Yeah, that'd help.
 
Which is also why I'm pissed about the upcoming vote fraud tooling changes; yes, we get better tooling, but we're also about to get a significant increase in vote fraud. That seems to be their pattern; minor changes to tools, major increase in the work required
 
Did the plagiarism tooling not help much in practice?
They tried very hard to implement it in a stupid way. I tried to stop it...
 
The main QOL improvement from plagiarism tooling is not having to escalate for disassociation. The plagiarism tooling is also an instance of them just introducing a new tool. They didn't do anything that also increased plagiarism
 
 
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Q: Should there be some kind of lock for accepting an answer?

Passionate SEThe regular activity cycle on Stack Overflow involves a user asking a question then provided the question is of good quality then other users having understood the question provide an answer to that question. Then if the question has more than one answer the original poster is privileged with acc...

 
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> I'm the benevolent dictator and I will pretty much only delete posts defending SO.
 
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NewSitesI've asked a simple and straightforward question. It has four downvotes, but no comments to say why. What's wrong with it?

 
 
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le SIGH
 
3:28 PM
I see I slept through a lot
@Andreasdetestscensorship coral reef will do too :)
@CodyGray TS is AOT compiled? Granted, not to a binary or anything, but still :)
 
3:41 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine ah, I see, as in not dropping support for the old models. I think most manufacturers of Android-based phones have 3-4 years of software support, yeah.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I liked my first impression, where I thought this was some vector being animated
 
that said, I want to pose a question to Apple owners out here - what's the longest you had the same model?
 
4:03 PM
@NewPosts missed all the "fun" again...
@CodyGray Leon?
@NordineLotfi yeah :) I just went with Andreas's explanation of how it happened
@ZoestandswithUkraine so... let me get this straight - they are giving y'all a new shovel while simultaneously increasing the volume of trash to dig through? Makes sense. Joking aside, from what I've observed, it's a pattern of SE's indeed...
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Essentially. Same thing with the SG; new fancy tools, but nothing to deal with the influx, increasing the amount of work performed (and making for a lot of impatient users who fail to understand what the SG is)
 
@NewPosts Yandex? Yandex search??
@ZoestandswithUkraine yup-yup. The rate of introducing additional work for the community outpaces the improvements quite significantly. At least that's the impression I get.
 
Yeah, pretty much
And instead of addressing this or related causes, or generally trying to improve UX and content quality...
AI hypetrain, SG, and [redacted until next week]
And the many previously discussed problematic components adding to work, of course (particularly the new editor)
 
4:26 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine you need to think long-term to consider this a priority - something that is completely lost on SE, IMO
 
There's also a CM tool for identifying when someone has several accounts (that I can't be more specific about for obvious reasons, but it works and is for all intents and purposes always accurate). It could've been linked into vote fraud detection; auto-invalidate and raise a mod flag. same with IP overlap (at least when combined with other vote fraud metrics), or PII overlap. Could also raise an auto-flag for ban evasion for Q-bans and A-bans, or even proper suspensions. None of those exist
But they could, and would make our work so much more convenient
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine y'all are making me real worried
 
What do we get instead?
AI chat summary tool
Because fuck us, that's why
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine that would require an interest in making your work more convenient :)
 
Improving the wizard to ensure users are able to learn how to ask good questions, thereby reducing mod workload and increasing question quality?
 
4:30 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine do you mean the one for Teams?
 
Have a title AI instead
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yep
Of all the things users need, and I mean in all categories, what we actually get is solutions to problems no one had
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@ZoestandswithUkraine that presumes they understand that reducing friction for mods and curators and increasing quality of the content are both things that would prevent the platform from going into irrelevance ('cause I sort of understand the rising sentiment of "why do I ask here if I can get the same results with much less friction")
 
@NewPosts Same user also posted on MSE to complain about Peter Mortensen making an edit to their post.
The post was quickly closed and then deleted. Not sure by whom, I assume self-deleted.
 
@VLAZ blasphemy! Yeah, seen that one
 
One of the points that stuck out to me was that they complained the word "unbinded" was changed to "unbound".
 
4:36 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think they do to some extent, but not anyone in power
Most of the CMs have enough involvement in moderation to have at least a fundamental understanding of the mod systems
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, definitely - we both know that when we use the term "the company", it's just a convenient shortcut that doesn't mean "each and every employee"
 
I am fairly sure that many employees of SE (CMs especially) understand the system and what it really needs. Sadly, none of them seem to be among those who make executive decisions...
On an unrelated note, @VLAZ, I managed to get the "refresh" button fix working by intercepting the network request to /notifications (instead of relying on an observer) - works pretty well. Going to address things mentioned by @RyanM and @HenryEcker, and then will proceed to release the userscript.
 
sure - have a nice evening!
 
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Q: Why is the Stackoverflow cookies conscent screen persistent

3m1n3nc3I'm getting pissed off by the fact that this new Stackoverflow cookies consent screen stays persistent and hinders my experience, every time I open a new page, it just goes ahead and opens up again, how do I prevent this from happening?

 
5:45 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I still used a 2003 iMac in 2013.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I am asking about phones only. Software support argument doesn't apply to laptops, obviously.
 
My high school also gave me a Macbook Air that I used for 5 years. After being used for 12+ hours every single day, carried around every single day, up and down, right and west, the CPU was done, the disk was full, and the battery was broken. The school gave me the model with the worst components, so it could’ve lasted longer.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine iPhone 6 same year it came out, then iPhone 11 Pro same year it came out. (Excluding a broken iPhone 4 that I was given (my first touch screen phone)).
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship so... 2014?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That’s when I got my first fresh touch screen phone, yes. But my model 11 is not from 2014.
2019.
Oh, wow. I didn’t know my phone is 4 years old. It still feels new. :P Time flies.
Well, 3.5, I guess.
The battery is at 72%, so the phone is running in «service» mode.
I do use it a lot.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I only ever gotten an official "gift" from school, but it was a really old Desktop PC (with a voodoo card from what I recall). Didn't accept it when I knew this was a 1GHZ cpu (Intel Pentium 4) (was back in 2008-2009 I think).
 
5:55 PM
@NordineLotfi Well, it wasn’t a gift. Every student was given a computer the first or second day after starting at the school. So if you finished all 3 years, it was yours to own for free. No need to sign any agreement. Otherwise, it costed 3/x of its original price, where x is the number of years completed.
 
a couple years later, I recall some art teacher told me I could take some electronics home if I needed since they planned on throwing it out anyway, but never accepted either (it was a couple of MacBook with i7 cpu this time).
 
@NordineLotfi Hehe. I’ve seen some of the computers middle schools give to their students, and that checks out. :P
@NordineLotfi Those could probably still be used for quite a few things, I guess.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship sounds nice. Never had that happen here (unless I was somehow in a private school? I could see those doing this)
@Andreasdetestscensorship yep, they were decent for their time. I didn't knew anything in computers back then, but I somehow remembered the brand and googled it years later when I remembered, and regretted even more not taking their offer
 
@NordineLotfi Well, yes, it was a private school. But it only costed 1500 USD per year. If I’d picked a public school, I’d get to choose which computer I wanted to buy, and pay for it myself, but with a certain cost covered by the county. As a private school, it’s easier to just pick one computer for everyone. It’s easier to administrate, and you only need to make sure the software works on a single platform.
I did apply for the prestigious school in the city, but I was unsure if I’d get good enough grades to be accepted there, so I withdrew my application, and accepted the offer at the private one. Skip forward, and I did indeed get high enough grades. :P
(The prestigious schools in Norway are public, not private.)
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Interesting, make sense yeah
@Andreasdetestscensorship didn't know :o
 
6:02 PM
@NordineLotfi :P All electronics are valuable in some way. If they were going to the trash anyway, just take them.
 
well yeah, the present me would have taken them in a heartbeat, even if I had to drag them in a large bag, and even if I knew the immense back pain I would feel later on (and even if the weight exceeded the amount I could lift by myself, since I usually can't lift more than 80-100KG from what I recalled)
but the past me didn't know or didn't want to for whatever weird and stupid reasons
 
:/
At least you learned. :P
Anyway. I gotta get back to what I was doing. :)
 
sure thing, take care
 
Thanks. You too.
 
6:40 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I did half consider making a FR for this internally
But like, what's the point?
30% of engineering is gone, and I'd genuinely wouldn't be surprised if half of the rest work on AI
possibly more
It's not going to be implemented
 
Request AI to do it
 
Doubt that'd help
 
7:18 PM
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Q: How to get unbanned from asking question on Stackoverflow? My question was deleted and I'm unable to edit them to improve!

SupercoolMy account was banned for asking some wrong questions on stackoverflow. I've been trying to fix my karma but not sure how to do that. It says edit your questions to fit with guidelines but when I'm trying to do that, it says the questions were deleted by stackoverflow. Not sure what to do? Some h...

 
7:28 PM
> I've been trying to fix my karma
I think you need to wait until your next rebirth for that to take effect.
IANAHS - I am not a Hindu scholar
 
@VLAZ As an expert in everything, I can confirm
(For legal reasons, this is a joke)
 
7:53 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Don’t worry. You live in Norway. Jokes are tolerated here.
 
8:30 PM
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Q: How to prevent users from posting images instead code

FravadonaEvery day there are a lot of images of code that appear in questions, which is, unless absolutely necessary, against the rules. My question is: Why doesn't SO make it harder for users to use images? For example, SO could only allow external links as images; a user would then need to upload their ...

 
@Andreasdetestscensorship <insert name of controversial public figure> is an example, right?
 
9:01 PM
@VLAZ We have a guy called Durek Verret, but he’s a fraud, and he’s being serious about the «jokes» he tell. He says he can cure cancer by touching, and cleanse the vaginas from past relationships, and get rid of corona with an amulet.
 
Durek is technically American
 
But he’s controversial in Norway, not USA.
And he’s married to a former princess of Norway. Or, well, partially former princess. Still half a princess.
And yes, to everybody that wonders: we’re a monarchy.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship No, but you have to remember that the bar in a country that's fine with shooting their own kids and not raising the debt ceiling when faced with a default is... different
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Also, why the heck wasn’t Snåsamannen universally hated by Norwegians? Wtf was/is wrong with our country?
 
Who?
> He received the King's medal of Merit in silver in 2001 and a documentary Kjenner du varmen? ('Do you feel the heat?') about his abilities was made by and shown on NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation)[2] in 2006
Well, that explains it
Most of the media attention appears to have been while I was too young to care
 
 
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10:23 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Excuse me, but what did you just ask?
 
10:33 PM
@Andreasdetestscensorship Never heard of him before
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine That makes no sense.
 
10:49 PM
Because it's impossible to have missed him if you've only barely been part of the society for the past years.
 
No, I'm being serious.
 
Seeing as he died in 2021 and appears to have faded into insignificance before that, (x) doubt
 
11:36 PM
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Q: Addressing and Handling Questions Relating to Violating Platform Policies of Other Platforms

ElitezenEvery once in a while, a question on the discord.js tag relating to self-botting and or mass spamming is brought up. The users ask for help debugging code that is intended to initiate a bot client on a user profile, or mass spam channels, or even "nuke" servers, all of which are against Discord's...

 

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