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6:00 PM
@dbc Yes, I said plagiarism because of a previous conversation, where a duplicate answer was considered as plagiarism. It was looking like 'thank you'. I haven't flagged that one, just DV and delV
 
@Scratte I swear it showed the target duplicate... arg!
 
I think you just saw what you wanted to see.
 
@Scratte Nope, it is doing it again
 
@Vega I don't think so
 
6:12 PM
@Braiam Right, so refreshing it changes the result. But who does that?
 
I kind of expected a search engine to return the same results if the index isn't updated.
 
@desertnaut Thank you
 
@Vega "KUBERNETES QUESTIONS MUST BE DEVELOPER RELATED" - all-capital (!) in the tag info
but out of CVs myself :(
 
SF means...?
 
^ that
?
 
6:16 PM
Sorry, it's for 'Server fault'
 
@DanielWiddis ServerFault
 
@Vega not Science Fiction???
 
@desertnaut Heh, that's someone that was desperate enough
@desertnaut SciFi.
 
or Santa Fe...
home of the infamous SF Institute (SFI)
 
San Francisco
 
Server Fault Stack Overflow Meta Stack Exchange Science Fiction & Fantasy are among the common shortcuts @desertnaut (see comment history for magic)
 
@Vega that, too :)
@Braiam I am a proud member of SciFi & F SE. Regarding the other ones, I am rather confused...
 
I was giving examples about where the sf, scifi, so thingies come from.
 
SO referred to as SF?
 
No, where the different two/three/five letters acronyms come from
 
6:23 PM
@Scratte Approximately zero Android questions are literally copy+paste runnable. For an Android app, you just need too many files to reasonably put them all in a Stack Overflow question. That said, it's not an MCVE because it doesn't include the initializePlayer call site (or, for that matter, the entire stack trace: we're just assuming that it's the setPlayer call that they did include). Also it's yet another NPE in user code, and none of those are at all useful questions...
So curiously, despite rene's complaints that it's too much code to be minimal, it's really not enough code :-p I actually don't think they included anything unnecessary.
 
@RyanM Lucky me I didn't retract the flag then :)
 
6:38 PM
@Vega we can't delete vote that yet. It needs to be at -3
 
@rene it's at -2 now and eligible for delv-pls ;)
 
@rene Sorry :(, got carried away
 
@JohnDvorak I expected you to play that card, thanks for being predictable
@Vega no harm done, no worries.
 
6:52 PM
@rene Now try :)
 
@10Rep I know this room is evil. I don't need to be remembered of that on every occasion ;)
 
lol
 
waffles
waffles
 
7:12 PM
@Vega I was just about to flag it as spam
 
I must like waffles
 
I have reversed my edition, and I have raised a flag to indicate that it is spam
 
:)
 
7:22 PM
Oops :)
 
@AnnZen Please avoid copying action messages from ROs to avoid potential confusion.
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Does this need more detail? stackoverflow.com/questions/63141524/…
 
@10Rep More focus? yes :)
There are multiple questions
 
I don't know the answer because I don't know Xcode, but it seems to basically boil down to "What do I need to do to ensure that I ship all required dependencies for a command-line app developed in Xcode?"
which could be a focused question
 
7:39 PM
@RyanM Yea, looking at the question, they say it's "really specific", so I retracted my flag. But then they say it's not the best for SO :)
 
I don't think it's xcode related
 
They use the Xcode IDE to run c code.
 
Yes, but not IDE specific, right?
 
Well, if you look at the second question;

"How can I make this project deliverable? I have the location of the binary but what else do I need to include?"

That does include the IDE.
 
It's three specific questions. I'm going for Need Focus.
^ I mod-flagged the username on that one.
 
7:46 PM
@AdrianMole Same.
 
I didn't notice it until you guys pointed it out.. I'm sure it means "little housefly" in Troberny
 
@RyanM fp- unblacklists the user, what does tp- do?
 
@10Rep marks it as a true positive and doesn't respond out loud
 
@10Rep true positive, doesn't blacklist...although maybe I should've, come to think of it...
 
ok
 
7:49 PM
@RyanM From the report, you can see the username is already blacklisted
 
@TylerH Yeah, that was why I didn't originally, but might be worth watching out for plagiarized content without the offensive name... /shrug
(if they change it)
 
Username has been changed.
I think Smokey follows the user ID rather than the name.
 
@AdrianMole If you blacklist, yes, it does.
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Yep
 
@10Rep frankly, I don't see why it's IDE related, it's project related Anyway, I cv-ed as needing focus
 
7:52 PM
But blacklisted username wouldn't auto-blacklist the ID, I believe.
 
user12867493
@RyanM Yes, if a username is blacklisted you issue a fpu which exempts that user's username from triggering a username detection
 
@Vega I don't think it's IDE-related either, just sufficiently specific. Moot, though, since the OP self-deleted
 
@Vega And then he deleted it once it got closed
 
@Daniil That is true, but I don't think that contradicts what I said
 
user12867493
@RyanM It doesn't...
 
7:54 PM
Ah, I was confused because it started off with "No, ..."
 
user12867493
Edited :)
 
Excellent! Thanks for the info, that makes sense :-)
 
user12867493
No problem, let me know if you have any more questions
 
@Daniil actually, I do have one...does fpu only whitelist for username/ID detections, or does it affect other detections as well?
 
user12867493
7:58 PM
@RyanM Only the username detections
 
user12867493
We're not saying they will never post spam, we're saying their username isn't rude/spam
 
Makes sense. It's a solution to the Scunthorpe problem.
 
@StephenP For the tag formatting, you need to do [tag:cv-pls] instead of [cv-pls].
 
@StephenP and for the link, you've got an extra space before the second ]
 
Thanks, was just reading socvr.org and SO chat help looking for such things and didn't find anything mentioned.
 
@StephenP You can find request formatting information in the SOCVR FAQ.
 
@Scratte google translate doesn't seem to think so :)
 
@10Rep How did you try to translate it?
 
@Scratte I translated it from English to Tajik, and it said Kame, or something like that.
 
@10Rep Not sure it's the same language :)
 
8:07 PM
Are you sure it's a country? Can't find it anywhere lol
 
I'm sure it's not. I made it up :)
 
@Scratte I get it now
 
dbc
8:32 PM
@dippas How to fix box shadow's white line now has code. Should it be reopened?
 
OMG, stop the press, breaking news. A 1 rep account self deleted their Q after it was closed as a dupe, it even had an up vote. We now return you to your regularly scheduled closing
 
@TylerH okay
 
So, I have found myself engaged in an edit war :(
 
@NathanOliver Remove stackoverflow.com/q/63142360/13552470 please.
 
8:46 PM
thanks
 
@RyanM Copycat
 
or copypasta? :D
 
@Dharman :D part of the design process was in fact deciding whether it was likely to be confused with yours
What is yours, out of curiosity?
 
Just because I copied the idea for my avatar from SquareSkittles doesn't mean you can copy from me
 
copyright?
 
9:08 PM
copyright just left
I like your new avatar. Looks much more friendly.
 
@Dharman That make a copyleft? :)
 
@Dharman Thanks! :-) the idea of squares of color was in fact partly inspired by yours, and then I went in a somewhat different direction with it.
 
9:30 PM
@10Rep is it actually off-topic on SO, though?
 
@RyanM Well, it doesn't include code. It's more about the Unity game engine's build system(which I used for a while).
 
(images of errors notwithstanding)
 
@RyanM You can't copy those errors IIRC.
 
@10Rep While that may be, it's still on the OP to transcribe them so that every single person trying to research the problem doesn't have to
 
true
 
9:33 PM
@10Rep There are plenty of on-topic questions that don't include any code - they just need to be about a programming tool being used for programming (I'm paraphrasing the rule badly, I'm sure)
 
@RyanM Is unity considered an IDE?
Techincally yes I guess
 
@10Rep Yes
 
It's certainly a programming tool, at least
 
@RyanM Ok then, I'll delete my filter :)
 
9:41 PM
Remember, the task not the tool is what makes a programmer :D
 
@10Rep What do you need help with?
 
@Dharman I need help telling the user in the question. it's already been done, though.
 
@Scratte Act in any way that will accomplish the post's removal.
@tripleee It seems some mods are more likely to perform merges than others. I'm a big fan of them myself, and I do it a lot (relatively speaking). It's difficult to find cases where a merge is truly applicable, though, because the questions really need to be exact duplicates, or at least such that the answers from one will not look out of place on the other, because there's no indication that they've been merged in from elsewhere.
 
@CodyGray Eh, I've seen plenty of questions being merged just because the solutions are "look alike"
 
9:53 PM
@TylerH No, and it won't be the last. But I'm confident that I'm not wrong on this. Answers should be evaluated in terms of the question. Anything else is just nonsense.
@Braiam I suppose it does happen, but it's really not a good idea, at least not if you aren't going to go edit the answers.
 
@CodyGray If the answers more or less cover the same ground I prefer just delete them.
 
@Braiam Sure, yeah. The use case for merging is when there's a good answer on one question, and several good answers on another question. If they're just rehashing the same thing, then I would also prefer to delete.
 
@Makyen I don’t really know of other bots suitable for this. My main concern is just that it should report to this room, or Charcoal.
 
@RyanM is now @Dharman's sockpuppet?!
 
@CodyGray "I don't take responsibility at all"
 
10:00 PM
Whatever disease causes brightly-colored pixelation seems to be spreading...
 
RyanM’s previous profile picture made it much easier distinguishing him from the rest in here.
 
I'm not sure pixelated tie-dye is quite mundane, @Andreas.
 
@CodyGray No, but that’s not what I’m looking for when I’m trying to find Ryan.
 
Ah, it threw off your pattern recognition. Yes, that's definitely a thing.
For Andreas, I just look for the yellow coral reef. Even though, upon closer inspection, it appears to be a gemstone, not a coral reef. But I like the idea of a coral reef.
 
I agree. Whenever I saw a pink checker, I would immediately go into serious mode :). But now I have to make Dharman Mode and RyanM Mode the same thing
 
10:05 PM
Oh, it’s just the Stanford dragon.
 
@10Rep Already handled now, but for future reference: no. Specific performance optimizations to code are on-topic here for SO. They weren't asking for a general code review, so there's no reason to migrate that or anything like it.
@Andreas It doesn't look like a dragon...
 
I am enjoying its current juxtaposition in the user list, though...
 
@CodyGray Blame my buggy implementation of a renderer in Swift and Metal. I’m actually quite happy I made that bug.
 
@RyanM I hate it when you're next to Dharman. It looks as if Dharman is in the room twice.
 
@10Rep That doesn't sound so horrible!
@RyanM Oh, so this is why you chose the color clustering about a diagonal line, rather than randomly distributed?
 
10:12 PM
@CodyGray partly that, partly I wanted a rainbow effect rather than a colored grid in particular
 
But then why mirror the rainbow?
 
10:25 PM
@RyanM Oohh, speaking of rainbows, perhaps your avatar should just be Skittles arranged in a geometric pattern!
 
I voted to close this question yesterday, as although using the LinkedIn API is on-topic, they had addressed their question to LI customer support and were asking why LI numbers didn't match their own numbers, which seems unanswerable by anyone but LI, who deny even owning their own API, apparently...
Is this just the usual LinkedIn avoidance of responsiblity? Is this answerable?
 
Do you think it can be edited to rephrase it into something that is not directed to LI customer support?
 
It already has been, but I can't see how "why don't your numbers match our numbers" is answerable.
 
I voted to close because I can't tell you why the API responded with what you weren't expecting. It's weird LinkedIn won't support their own API in that regard
I'm happy to reopen if we can get more details regarding this, but it sounds like LinkedIn expects us to have that answer
 
Yup. Machavity beat me to it.
It's like you were trying to get me to actually read the question, @DavidBuck. You could have just said what you said there the first time. :-)
 
10:34 PM
Hmm. Seems like a sensible outcome. Thanks both.
 
Does this need more detail? stackoverflow.com/questions/63143771/…
 
@sideshowbarker What makes it a troll attempt?
 
@sideshowbarker How is it a troll?
 
@sideshowbarker I don't see any Trolling here
 
Well, he's not the only one who sees it. There's a comment to that end as well. But I don't know what they're seeing that is so obvious.
 
10:41 PM
I'm not seeing it either
 
Me neither...
 
I even looked in the edit history, and I can't see anything. I know HTML, so I can't see anything related to HTML as a troll.
 
SO really needs to do something about the duplicate posts. stackoverflow.com/questions/63143444/…
 
I'm unsure about this post
 
@bad_coder Yea, it got closed. It's very vague, and needs more detail.
 
10:44 PM
@bad_coder It's closed. We have lots of answers about how CORS works and how to avoid it
 
thanks I was hesitant there
 
Now, a PHP question, on the other hand... THAT would be trolling.
 
Yeah please bin that del-pls. It seems less clear to me now that it’s not sincere. But what stuck out to me was “I was trying to add a honeypot field into my form” but with no code — and then even after the code was added, just a dump of the “500 lines” of the entire HTML, with zero indication of what/where the “honeypot field” is in their code. And then the “I'm very very new to coding” — which, yeah, could of course be sincere.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null upon request
 
@sideshowbarker Then it would be a bad question. A troll is when a question is not even a question, like explaining how cats work, or something like that.
 
@10Rep A troll would also be somebody trying to abuse our collective time by posting a fake question where they pretend to be a naive user and then sit back and laugh while we post comments asking them for clarification.
 
Yes, that's what trolling actually is. A question about cats is just off-topic.
 
@sideshowbarker Oh yeah, you have a point. Looking at his tone, it seemed as if he was wasting our time.
 
well now I’m not sure
as I said, it could be an actual naive user having a real problem
 
@Machavity just got my first 100 in SOCVR graveyard, lets do 100 more.
 
@bad_coder Just 100? I've 120.
 
@bad_coder I think this search might be broken. It tells me I made 2288 cv-pls request, but I barely make any at all.
 
@Dharman I think it's pretty accurate.
 
I have 99
lol
 
@Dharman I haven't had patience to play with/refine that search more, I just wanted a quick estimate to track my progression.
 
11:08 PM
@Dharman 2288 del-pls requests is more believable.
 
Cody never made any cv-pls request here
 
Nope
I don't need others to do my work for me
@AdrianMole Only 977 del-pls!
 
@AdrianMole nope, only 977
 
Strange use of the word only.
 
@Dharman Delete, Delete, Delete!!
 
11:10 PM
@AdrianMole It's not even 1000!
 
1000! is a very big number.
 
@AdrianMole Would you have expected any less?
 
Since hanging about in this room, my expectations have ... um ... changed somewhat. :)
 
Me out of votes, but does this look on-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/63142999/1839439
 
@CodyGray Just curious why you deleted the answer to the self-dupe linked by Dharman but not the question.
 
11:18 PM
@AdrianMole Which one?
 
@Dharman This one.
 
@AdrianMole Clicked the wrong button. They're all labeled "delete".
 
I'm only at 10. No match for you 100 and 1000 peeps.
 
@CodyGray OK - seems like a valid explanation.
 
@AdrianMole This is why I'm sympathetic to the "I done goofed" argument.
 
11:21 PM
Duly noted, for future reference.
 
@Dharman Um, the dupe has -1 rep so I can't link the dupe. Not sure how you did. Should both questions be closed?
 
You're keeping a log file of all these times I make mistakes, right?
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My HD is only 300 TB. xD
 
He likely downvoted it after voting to close, @DanielWiddis.
 
@DanielWiddis Oof, yeah a mod deleted an answer, so now it is unsolvable altogether. There was an upvoted NAA
 
11:22 PM
@Dharman "Off" is better.
 
@Dharman I've solved it with more mod deletion.
 
I read fluent typo. By the way, I can't seem to type "point" today. I mistyped it as "ponit" about 15 times, even when I was trying to be careful.
 
@DanielWiddis everyone in this room was at 10 once...Contributing one's good presence is a major plus besides the the numbers.
 
Yeah, I mean that works too.
 
@Dharman 2288 cv + 977 del = 3,265
 
11:25 PM
I'm voting on a lot more than I'm adding, of course. :)
 
@bad_coder Not everyone. :-)
 
@DanielWiddis valid curating !! as long as the votes are well placed and deserved.
 
One close vote left today, 34 minutes to find a worthy target. :)
 
Let's make it 121.
 
11:27 PM
@CodyGray ok I just checked it :) that's also amazing in its own special way LOL
 
And, zero.
 
@DanielWiddis Pick one with two votes already then. It will feel like a win :)
 
@Andreas ended with a massive 3 dup targets :)
 
@bad_coder Yeah... I wonder if I should del-pls it too, then...
 
@Andreas I make no pronouncement on del-pls my focus for now is on other areas of curation.
 
11:35 PM
@Andreas that is not deletable yet.
 
And I who thought deletion and closing was related.
 
@rene Oh? I should've read the FAQ first? Woops... :|
Does the FAQ state why it's not deletable yet? If not, why? There's a certain timeframe from when it was closed, in which it cannot be deleted?
 
yes.
 
Oh, ok.
No del-pls for me, then.
 
11:37 PM
and if not I'm sure @Makyen will come by and recite one of his monologues ...
 
Of course; especially when you invite them with a ping.
No need for that, though. ;)
 
To del-pls, or not to del-pls, that is the question;
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous questions,
Or to take arms against a sea of them
And by opposing end them.
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@CodyGray You mean "And by deleting them".
 
@CodyGray No, it's a matter of time.
 
@Andreas Not nobility?
 
11:41 PM
Friends, Romans, SOCVR-denizens, Lend me your votes.
I come to del-pls questions, not to cv-pls them.
The evil that bad questions do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their downvotes;
So let it be with these posts.
 
Excuse my lack of poetic qualities.
 
@rene At this point, that one is much more efficient to just link. :) here, here, here, etc. ... FAQ cc @Andreas
 
If there isn't a meta.SE thread with SOCVR poems already, one should be created this minute!!
 
@Makyen Oh, no. I knew it was dangerous to ping you.
 
@Andreas Well, at least it wasn't a long monologue. :)
 
11:44 PM
haha
 
@bad_coder I already spend 1K rep on the MSE poem competition. I go bankrupt if this continues
 
@Makyen No, it was even worse! It was a long list of dialogues!
 
"Delete, delete, everywhere, nor any drop to answer" - Samuel Taylor Coleridge
 
@Andreas :) There are plenty more... :)
 
11:47 PM
😧
 
"To del-pls or not to del-pls” — Shakespeare;
“To del-pls is to do” — Socrates;
“To do is to del-pls” — Jean-Paul Sartre;
“Do del-pls do del-pls do” — Sinatra.
 
Ok, ok. I'll make you a poetic list of emojis.
I elect @CodyGray to decode it.
 
Remember that I also have a "kick" button, @Andreas ;-)
 
"It was the best of questions, it was the worst of questions, it was the age of deletion, it was the age of upvoting bad questions" - Charles Dickens
 
@CodyGray 😟😫😭
No poetic list of emojis, then. :(
@CodyGray Can't you just use the "thanks" button instead?
 

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